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  • josevolution
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    I’m beginning to think that the billionaire class is hoping for a world wide culling of the planet’s population so they can have more for themselves. It’s just a matter of time until the shit really hits the fan. But it’s okay because it’ll be gone by Easter or whatever the closest holiday might be. Long article worth the read.

    THE DISEASES ARE COMING

    Elon Musk’s slash-and-burn government tear will have lasting effects on global health.

    MARCH 10, 2025

    At Donald Trump’s first Cabinet meeting, late last month, Elon Musk sheepishly admitted that DOGE had “accidentally canceled very briefly” Ebola-prevention programs. After a nervous chuckle, he claimed that the oversight had been swiftly corrected. But it wasn’t. The truth is far more disturbing—this administration didn’t just pause a line item; it has actively dismantled the infrastructure the country relies on to detect and confront deadly pathogens.

    For more than a decade, I have worked as a physician and public-health expert responding to infectious diseases around the world. In 2014, while treating Ebola patients in Guinea, I contracted and survived Ebola myself. I know how lethal Donald Trump’s assault on America’s outbreak preparedness could be. We are sure to regret it.

    DOGE’s slash-and-burn campaign has hit everything from the NIH to the National Weather Service. The cuts to global health, however, are especially alarming. It’s unclear what Musk thought would happen when he fed the U.S. Agency for International Development “into the wood chipper,” as he proclaimed with gleeful indifference on X, the social-media megaphone he owns. Ditto what Trump thought when he withdrew the United States from the World Health Organization and effectively muzzled the CDC. But the result has been that, in little more than a month, America has transformed itself from a preeminent global-health leader into an untrustworthy has-been. Undermining even one of these institutions would have posed a serious threat; gutting them all at once is an invitation for future outbreaks.

    The fallout from these sweeping cuts is particularly evident when examining USAID, or what’s left of it. The agency’s tagline was “From the American people,” and perhaps the American people didn’t understand that it was also for them. Musk disparaged the agency outright—declaring it a “criminal organization.” The White House pointed to alleged wasteful spending, including funding for a “DEI musical” in Ireland (which wasn’t even funded by USAID, it turned out). In decrying the agency’s downfall, many Democrats focused more on the importance of “soft power” foreign policy than on-the-ground impact. Yet much of USAID’s budget was devoted to addressing humanitarian and health crises abroad with the implicit goal of preventing these emergencies from reaching our own shores. (Explicitly, the goal was to “advance American security and prosperity.”) Americans are safer when instability and infectious threats are effectively managed on foreign lands.

    USAID was also the primary funder of the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, established in 2003 under George W. Bush. PEPFAR has saved more than 25 million lives and helped smother the global HIV pandemic. More than 20 million people—500,000 of them children—were receiving HIV treatment through the program when Trump signed an executive order on his first day back in office pausing all foreign aid for 90 days. Secretary of State Marco Rubio promised that waivers would allow the life-saving work to continue, but few have materialized. Meanwhile, USAID staff who were placed on administrative leave can’t distribute medicines or cover costs for transport and personnel. After this dismantling, PEPFAR’s activities in hundreds of places around the world remain restricted at best, and fully paused at worst. Without the support long provided by the program, thousands of people will likely die far younger than they would have with proper medical care. PEPFAR’s current authorization ends later this month; its future after that is unclear.

    Similarly, USAID’s efforts to stop Ebola at its source are also now gone. USAID’s role in Ebola containment has long been essential. During the 2014 West Africa outbreak—during which more than 11,000 people died—USAID oversaw training of local health-care workers, the building of Ebola treatment centers, and passenger screening at the borders and airports. A decade later and just days into Trump’s second term, Uganda reported another Ebola outbreak. This time, though, the foreign-aid freeze Trump had put in place meant that USAID was unable to supply the usual resources for transporting lab specimens or implementing airport screening. The day after Musk reassured the Cabinet that Ebola prevention had been swiftly restored, the State Department canceled crucial contact tracing and surveillance efforts for Uganda’s outbreak. With USAID nowhere to be found, the WHO scaled up its own response. That’s something, for now, but America’s absence is shameful.

    Moreover, the WHO may not have the capacity to do so for much longer. On his first day in office, Trump signed an executive order moving to withdraw from the WHO, accusing it of demanding “onerous payments from the United States.” In 2023, the U.S. contributed $481 million—an eighth of what Americans spend on professional dog-training services every year—to WHO’s operating budget. Admittedly, many Americans—fueled by Trump’s denigration of the organization—developed a deep distrust of the WHO following perceived missteps during the coronavirus pandemic. Even its supporters can see the organization’s flaws—it’s bureaucratic, sclerotic, and overdue for reform. Despite these shortcomings, it is an organization we desperately need, and no real alternative exists.


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  • Tim Simmons
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I’m beginning to think that the billionaire class is hoping for a world wide culling of the planet’s population so they can have more for themselves. 
    But then, who will grease the wheels of capaitalism?
  • Tim Simmons
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    I think we need to get over the notion that billionaires, and this admin are like some 4D chess playing supervillain and the reality is they are just a basic supervillain who wants power and wants to inflict pain, because they have the ability to do so. Less Ozymandias from Watchmen and more Sauron from Marvel (who doesn’t want to cure cancer but just wants dinosaurs).
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    You get what you pay, or should I say, “vote”, for. Good luck.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Tim Simmons said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I’m beginning to think that the billionaire class is hoping for a world wide culling of the planet’s population so they can have more for themselves. 
    But then, who will grease the wheels of capaitalism?
    Whoever is left to lord over.
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  • Tim Simmons
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    That’s not how it works
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    You get what you pay, or should I say, “vote”, for. Good luck.
    Certainly fuck the people who didn’t vote for it right? They should have knocked in more doors, right? 
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Tim Simmons said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    You get what you pay, or should I say, “vote”, for. Good luck.
    Certainly fuck the people who didn’t vote for it right? They should have knocked in more doors, right? 
    Can’t fix stupid and stupid won.
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  • DE4173
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    You get what you pay, or should I say, “vote”, for. Good luck.
    Certainly fuck the people who didn’t vote for it right? They should have knocked in more doors, right? 
    Can’t fix stupid and stupid won.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,034
    Tim Simmons said:
    I think we need to get over the notion that billionaires, and this admin are like some 4D chess playing supervillain and the reality is they are just a basic supervillain who wants power and wants to inflict pain, because they have the ability to do so. Less Ozymandias from Watchmen and more Sauron from Marvel (who doesn’t want to cure cancer but just wants dinosaurs).
    As clumsy as they are, they’re actively dismantling the US government and molding it to their desire. Thus far, nothing is stopping them. We only know what has been reported and have no clue what is actually occurring behind closed doors in the dead of night. Whether they are villains or super villains doesn’t much matter. What matters is that the gears of government are not being oiled and are having sand thrown in them.

    It’s just a matter of time before some catastrophic action takes place and our government fails to respond in a meaningful way and when it does, will it matter if Godzilla or The Penguin was responsible for the initial mayhem?
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  • tempo_n_groove
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    I worry about Ebola.  Thats the one that scares me.
  • mickeyrat
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    BREAKING: CDC Raises H5N1 Bird Flu Risk to Moderate-to-High for Those in Contact with Birds or Cattle as D1.1 Variant Spreads in Nevada

    A mutation in the D1.1 variant increases its ability to infect mammals, raising concerns about human adaptation and transmission. It may be time for the CDC to upgrade its pandemic risk level from moderate to high.
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  • mickeyrat
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    edited March 12
    JUST IN: Heavily Mutated SARS-CoV-2 BA.3 Variant Detected in South Africa with 57 Spike Mutations.

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  • GlowGirl
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    Just got a Covid vaccine yesterday. It had been over a year since I got one. I am going to a two day in-person work seminar (I work remote full time), then visiting my parents for a few days - plus all the PJ concerts that start next month. I figured it was a good time to get boosted. I had some mild chills that woke me up in the middle of the night - but Tylenol took care of that pretty fast. The only effect I feel today is being tired from being up in the middle of the night. 
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,521
    Yeah, gotta bring the fam in for one. We all had it in the Fall and with Spring Break travel coming up, I don’t want anything ruined. 
  • BF25394
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    FYI: I was surprised and pleased to discover last week that the government website that allows you to order free COVID tests is still up and running. The tests I had were all past even their extended expiration dates, so I ordered four new ones from covidtests.gov and they arrived within a few days. It's inexplicable that the current administration is trying to tear down the government brick-by-brick but this site is still operating, but I'm glad it is. Get your free COVID tests while you still can.
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  • mickeyrat
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    BF25394 said:
    FYI: I was surprised and pleased to discover last week that the government website that allows you to order free COVID tests is still up and running. The tests I had were all past even their extended expiration dates, so I ordered four new ones from covidtests.gov and they arrived within a few days. It's inexplicable that the current administration is trying to tear down the government brick-by-brick but this site is still operating, but I'm glad it is. Get your free COVID tests while you still can.

    I think because its tied to usps and they are just now getting around to them?
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  • AW124797
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    mrussel1 said:
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    mickeyrat said:
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    Tim Simmons said:
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    mrussel1 said:
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    OnWis97 said:
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    OnWis97 said:
    Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

    And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.
    Sounds terrible.  When did that happen?  
    In the military for one. Federal jobs.

    It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

    *I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

    This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

    It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.
    The military has required vaccines forever.  This isn't new.  

    Federal jobs, okay.  

    The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated.  And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality?  I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.  

    For the record, no one made me get vaccinated.  Not for work, not for anything.  Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.  
    No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms. 
    Well-established?  Please, provide that scientific evidence that contradicts the Yale study and others.  Your entire point is based on a falsehood that you probably got from Twitter or You Tube.  

    "Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms".  So you're saying that no one had symptoms from Covid?  Explain that idiotic statement in a little more detail.  

    Edit - unless you are saying that vaccine didn't stop the spread it only reduced the voracity of the disease so you had it but showed no symptoms.  If that's your point, then how do you not see that as a benefit?  You don't go the hospital or die when you don't have symptoms.  
    Glad you reread it. Plenty of people positive without symptoms before Covid shots were available. I didn't have any symptoms, but Covid positive on 2 occasions in 2021 and 2022 (multiple tests, no covid shots). Your argument makes no sense. 
    "plenty"

    oh ok.

    Seriously? Never heard of asymptomatic covid infections before 2021?

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220307062

    What a waste of time. 

    and who would know without antibody test and who would know to take one.
    Are you implying they weren't testing for covid in 2020?

    asymptomatic people? wtf. you have no symptoms, why would you think you needed to? unless someone in your house or orbit for sure had symptoms/tested positive.

    my stepson brought it from his dads. wife and I tested because. no virus for us.
    You couldn't enter any hospital without covid test at the entry. Or covid test before visiting grandma. Do you need links? 
    You couldn't visit your grandparents without a Covid test?  I'm not sure where you live but that wasn't a problem here.  My kids went to my in-laws all the time.  Very strange. 

    And just because you couldn't be ADMITTED into the hospital without a covid test doesn't mean everyone was tested.  I wasn't becuase I didn't go to the hospital.  You seem to speak in generalities and extremes which is very weird and hard to follow.  
    English is my second language, but I do appreciate your condescending tone. It keeps me in line during current political climate.

    Anyway, Fauci recommended tests before visiting family at Thanksgiving and Christmas. Rings a bell? That was the question regarding testing of the asymptomatic.

    Also, any VISITOR, PATIENT or WORKER had to have a valid covid test before entering hospital. There's a world outside of Virginia or wherever your small and ignorant bubble is. 
    So Fauci recommends something and that is a gov't mandate that we had to follow?

    And if English is your second language, do we presume that you were not in the US during the Pandemic?  If that's the case, why do we care what you had to deal with?  You are making it sound like your gov't rules were ours.  
    Living on Long Island. Occasional work in NYC before and during covid. 

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