Viruses / Vaccines 2

AW124797 · March 7

HughFreakingDillon said:

and “vaccines can’t prevent transmission” statement is false. The direct quote is
“Fully vaccinated people who get a Covid-19 breakthrough infection can transmit the virus, US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said Thursday.”.
The “who get a breakthrough infection” part is important. Funny how CNN articles are only posted when they believe they fit their narrative.
Not only that, but it’s common sense that if the vaccine, even in situations of breakthrough infection, mitigates symptoms and severity/length of illness, obviously that means that rate of spread from that person is also mitigated.
I can’t believe people still don’t understand this. It’s like arguing a kleenex is useless cuz it doesn’t catch every snot particle.

Sorry, but that might be some form of a delusional disorder. You don't even have to scroll down. It's in the 2nd paragraph.

“Our vaccines are working exceptionally well,” Walensky told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. “They continue to work well for Delta, with regard to severe illness and death – they prevent it. But what they can’t do anymore is prevent transmission.”

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/05/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html

AW124797 · March 7

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.

Sounds terrible. When did that happen?

In the military for one. Federal jobs.

It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

*I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.

The military has required vaccines forever. This isn't new.

Federal jobs, okay.

The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated. And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality? I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.

For the record, no one made me get vaccinated. Not for work, not for anything. Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.

No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms.

Well-established? Please, provide that scientific evidence that contradicts the Yale study and others. Your entire point is based on a falsehood that you probably got from Twitter or You Tube.

"Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms". So you're saying that no one had symptoms from Covid? Explain that idiotic statement in a little more detail.

Edit - unless you are saying that vaccine didn't stop the spread it only reduced the voracity of the disease so you had it but showed no symptoms. If that's your point, then how do you not see that as a benefit? You don't go the hospital or die when you don't have symptoms.

Glad you reread it. Plenty of people positive without symptoms before Covid shots were available. I didn't have any symptoms, but Covid positive on 2 occasions in 2021 and 2022 (multiple tests, no covid shots). Your argument makes no sense.

Good for you. Plenty of people died who wouldn’t have had they gotten the vaccine.

Your argument makes no sense.

Again, you're bringing nothing constructive to asymptomatic infections/transmission conversation.

AW124797 · March 7

mickeyrat said:

AW124797 said:

Tim Simmons said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.

Sounds terrible. When did that happen?

In the military for one. Federal jobs.

It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

*I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.

The military has required vaccines forever. This isn't new.

Federal jobs, okay.

The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated. And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality? I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.

For the record, no one made me get vaccinated. Not for work, not for anything. Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.

No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms.

Well-established? Please, provide that scientific evidence that contradicts the Yale study and others. Your entire point is based on a falsehood that you probably got from Twitter or You Tube.

"Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms". So you're saying that no one had symptoms from Covid? Explain that idiotic statement in a little more detail.

Edit - unless you are saying that vaccine didn't stop the spread it only reduced the voracity of the disease so you had it but showed no symptoms. If that's your point, then how do you not see that as a benefit? You don't go the hospital or die when you don't have symptoms.

Glad you reread it. Plenty of people positive without symptoms before Covid shots were available. I didn't have any symptoms, but Covid positive on 2 occasions in 2021 and 2022 (multiple tests, no covid shots). Your argument makes no sense.

"plenty"

oh ok.

Seriously? Never heard of asymptomatic covid infections before 2021?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220307062

What a waste of time.

and who would know without antibody test and who would know to take one.

Are you implying they weren't testing for covid in 2020?

mickeyrat · March 7

AW124797 said:

mickeyrat said:

AW124797 said:

Tim Simmons said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.

Sounds terrible. When did that happen?

In the military for one. Federal jobs.

It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

*I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.

The military has required vaccines forever. This isn't new.

Federal jobs, okay.

The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated. And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality? I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.

For the record, no one made me get vaccinated. Not for work, not for anything. Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.

No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms.

Well-established? Please, provide that scientific evidence that contradicts the Yale study and others. Your entire point is based on a falsehood that you probably got from Twitter or You Tube.

"Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms". So you're saying that no one had symptoms from Covid? Explain that idiotic statement in a little more detail.

Edit - unless you are saying that vaccine didn't stop the spread it only reduced the voracity of the disease so you had it but showed no symptoms. If that's your point, then how do you not see that as a benefit? You don't go the hospital or die when you don't have symptoms.

Glad you reread it. Plenty of people positive without symptoms before Covid shots were available. I didn't have any symptoms, but Covid positive on 2 occasions in 2021 and 2022 (multiple tests, no covid shots). Your argument makes no sense.

"plenty"

oh ok.

Seriously? Never heard of asymptomatic covid infections before 2021?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220307062

What a waste of time.

and who would know without antibody test and who would know to take one.

Are you implying they weren't testing for covid in 2020?

asymptomatic people? wtf. you have no symptoms, why would you think you needed to? unless someone in your house or orbit for sure had symptoms/tested positive.

my stepson brought it from his dads. wife and I tested because. no virus for us.

HughFreakingDillon · March 7

My provincial government DID NOT ALLOW asymptomatic testing at that point.

AW124797 · March 7

mickeyrat said:

AW124797 said:

mickeyrat said:

AW124797 said:

Tim Simmons said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.

Sounds terrible. When did that happen?

In the military for one. Federal jobs.

It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

*I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.

The military has required vaccines forever. This isn't new.

Federal jobs, okay.

The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated. And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality? I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.

For the record, no one made me get vaccinated. Not for work, not for anything. Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.

No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms.

Well-established? Please, provide that scientific evidence that contradicts the Yale study and others. Your entire point is based on a falsehood that you probably got from Twitter or You Tube.

"Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms". So you're saying that no one had symptoms from Covid? Explain that idiotic statement in a little more detail.

Edit - unless you are saying that vaccine didn't stop the spread it only reduced the voracity of the disease so you had it but showed no symptoms. If that's your point, then how do you not see that as a benefit? You don't go the hospital or die when you don't have symptoms.

Glad you reread it. Plenty of people positive without symptoms before Covid shots were available. I didn't have any symptoms, but Covid positive on 2 occasions in 2021 and 2022 (multiple tests, no covid shots). Your argument makes no sense.

"plenty"

oh ok.

Seriously? Never heard of asymptomatic covid infections before 2021?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220307062

What a waste of time.

and who would know without antibody test and who would know to take one.

Are you implying they weren't testing for covid in 2020?

asymptomatic people? wtf. you have no symptoms, why would you think you needed to? unless someone in your house or orbit for sure had symptoms/tested positive.

my stepson brought it from his dads. wife and I tested because. no virus for us.

You couldn't enter any hospital without covid test at the entry. Or covid test before visiting grandma. Do you need links?

HughFreakingDillon · March 7

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.

Sounds terrible. When did that happen?

In the military for one. Federal jobs.

It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

*I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.

The military has required vaccines forever. This isn't new.

Federal jobs, okay.

The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated. And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality? I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.

For the record, no one made me get vaccinated. Not for work, not for anything. Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.

No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms.

Well-established? Please, provide that scientific evidence that contradicts the Yale study and others. Your entire point is based on a falsehood that you probably got from Twitter or You Tube.

"Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms". So you're saying that no one had symptoms from Covid? Explain that idiotic statement in a little more detail.

Edit - unless you are saying that vaccine didn't stop the spread it only reduced the voracity of the disease so you had it but showed no symptoms. If that's your point, then how do you not see that as a benefit? You don't go the hospital or die when you don't have symptoms.

Glad you reread it. Plenty of people positive without symptoms before Covid shots were available. I didn't have any symptoms, but Covid positive on 2 occasions in 2021 and 2022 (multiple tests, no covid shots). Your argument makes no sense.

Good for you. Plenty of people died who wouldn’t have had they gotten the vaccine.

Your argument makes no sense.

Again, you're bringing nothing constructive to asymptomatic infections/transmission conversation.

You stated the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. That’s false.

Merkin Baller · March 7

Merkin Baller said:

Huh

https://ysph.yale.edu/news-article/yale-study-vaccines-and-booster-shots-are-key-to-controlling-spread-of-covid-variants/

I saw yale.edu used as a reference here prior to posting this, but I guess they're only a reliable source if confirming one's biases?

mrussel1 · March 7

AW124797 said:

mickeyrat said:

AW124797 said:

mickeyrat said:

AW124797 said:

Tim Simmons said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.

Sounds terrible. When did that happen?

In the military for one. Federal jobs.

It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

*I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.

The military has required vaccines forever. This isn't new.

Federal jobs, okay.

The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated. And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality? I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.

For the record, no one made me get vaccinated. Not for work, not for anything. Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.

No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms.

Well-established? Please, provide that scientific evidence that contradicts the Yale study and others. Your entire point is based on a falsehood that you probably got from Twitter or You Tube.

"Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms". So you're saying that no one had symptoms from Covid? Explain that idiotic statement in a little more detail.

Edit - unless you are saying that vaccine didn't stop the spread it only reduced the voracity of the disease so you had it but showed no symptoms. If that's your point, then how do you not see that as a benefit? You don't go the hospital or die when you don't have symptoms.

Glad you reread it. Plenty of people positive without symptoms before Covid shots were available. I didn't have any symptoms, but Covid positive on 2 occasions in 2021 and 2022 (multiple tests, no covid shots). Your argument makes no sense.

"plenty"

oh ok.

Seriously? Never heard of asymptomatic covid infections before 2021?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220307062

What a waste of time.

and who would know without antibody test and who would know to take one.

Are you implying they weren't testing for covid in 2020?

asymptomatic people? wtf. you have no symptoms, why would you think you needed to? unless someone in your house or orbit for sure had symptoms/tested positive.

my stepson brought it from his dads. wife and I tested because. no virus for us.

You couldn't enter any hospital without covid test at the entry. Or covid test before visiting grandma. Do you need links?

You couldn't visit your grandparents without a Covid test? I'm not sure where you live but that wasn't a problem here. My kids went to my in-laws all the time. Very strange.

And just because you couldn't be ADMITTED into the hospital without a covid test doesn't mean everyone was tested. I wasn't becuase I didn't go to the hospital. You seem to speak in generalities and extremes which is very weird and hard to follow.

HughFreakingDillon · March 7

Nonsense usually is…

HughFreakingDillon · March 7

I do recall getting my temperature taken before allowed entry into the Apple store…after waiting in a socially distanced line for half an hour. Which seemed fucking absurd at the time, and still does today, really, but people did what they could with evolving information. Or…IT WAS A DRY RUN FOR FULL GOVERNMENT CONTROL OF THE POPULACE THROUGH FIFTEEN MINUTE CITIES.

Tim Simmons · March 7

AW124797 said:

Tim Simmons said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.

Sounds terrible. When did that happen?

In the military for one. Federal jobs.

It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

*I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.

The military has required vaccines forever. This isn't new.

Federal jobs, okay.

The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated. And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality? I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.

For the record, no one made me get vaccinated. Not for work, not for anything. Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.

No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms.

Well-established? Please, provide that scientific evidence that contradicts the Yale study and others. Your entire point is based on a falsehood that you probably got from Twitter or You Tube.

"Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms". So you're saying that no one had symptoms from Covid? Explain that idiotic statement in a little more detail.

Edit - unless you are saying that vaccine didn't stop the spread it only reduced the voracity of the disease so you had it but showed no symptoms. If that's your point, then how do you not see that as a benefit? You don't go the hospital or die when you don't have symptoms.

Glad you reread it. Plenty of people positive without symptoms before Covid shots were available. I didn't have any symptoms, but Covid positive on 2 occasions in 2021 and 2022 (multiple tests, no covid shots). Your argument makes no sense.

"plenty"

oh ok.

Seriously? Never heard of asymptomatic covid infections before 2021?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220307062

What a waste of time.

My post was about the unquantifiable "plenty"

Tim Simmons · March 7

Anyway. Vaccines are the best. They've significantly improved quality of life in the 20th and 21st centuries, and they shouldn't be forced, but you are a dope if you don't get them.

AW124797 · March 7

Merkin Baller said:

Merkin Baller said:

Huh

https://ysph.yale.edu/news-article/yale-study-vaccines-and-booster-shots-are-key-to-controlling-spread-of-covid-variants/

I saw yale.edu used as a reference here prior to posting this, but I guess they're only a reliable source if confirming one's biases?

That yale.edu study referenced here prior was well ignored by "The safe and effective cheerleaders." Fair game, no?

AW124797 · March 7

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

mickeyrat said:

AW124797 said:

mickeyrat said:

AW124797 said:

Tim Simmons said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.

Sounds terrible. When did that happen?

In the military for one. Federal jobs.

It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

*I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.

The military has required vaccines forever. This isn't new.

Federal jobs, okay.

The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated. And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality? I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.

For the record, no one made me get vaccinated. Not for work, not for anything. Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.

No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms.

Well-established? Please, provide that scientific evidence that contradicts the Yale study and others. Your entire point is based on a falsehood that you probably got from Twitter or You Tube.

"Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms". So you're saying that no one had symptoms from Covid? Explain that idiotic statement in a little more detail.

Edit - unless you are saying that vaccine didn't stop the spread it only reduced the voracity of the disease so you had it but showed no symptoms. If that's your point, then how do you not see that as a benefit? You don't go the hospital or die when you don't have symptoms.

Glad you reread it. Plenty of people positive without symptoms before Covid shots were available. I didn't have any symptoms, but Covid positive on 2 occasions in 2021 and 2022 (multiple tests, no covid shots). Your argument makes no sense.

"plenty"

oh ok.

Seriously? Never heard of asymptomatic covid infections before 2021?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220307062

What a waste of time.

and who would know without antibody test and who would know to take one.

Are you implying they weren't testing for covid in 2020?

asymptomatic people? wtf. you have no symptoms, why would you think you needed to? unless someone in your house or orbit for sure had symptoms/tested positive.

my stepson brought it from his dads. wife and I tested because. no virus for us.

You couldn't enter any hospital without covid test at the entry. Or covid test before visiting grandma. Do you need links?

You couldn't visit your grandparents without a Covid test? I'm not sure where you live but that wasn't a problem here. My kids went to my in-laws all the time. Very strange.

And just because you couldn't be ADMITTED into the hospital without a covid test doesn't mean everyone was tested. I wasn't becuase I didn't go to the hospital. You seem to speak in generalities and extremes which is very weird and hard to follow.

English is my second language, but I do appreciate your condescending tone. It keeps me in line during current political climate.

Anyway, Fauci recommended tests before visiting family at Thanksgiving and Christmas. Rings a bell? That was the question regarding testing of the asymptomatic.

Also, any VISITOR, PATIENT or WORKER had to have a valid covid test before entering hospital. There's a world outside of Virginia or wherever your small and ignorant bubble is.

AW124797 · March 7

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.

Sounds terrible. When did that happen?

In the military for one. Federal jobs.

It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

*I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.

The military has required vaccines forever. This isn't new.

Federal jobs, okay.

The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated. And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality? I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.

For the record, no one made me get vaccinated. Not for work, not for anything. Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.

No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms.

Well-established? Please, provide that scientific evidence that contradicts the Yale study and others. Your entire point is based on a falsehood that you probably got from Twitter or You Tube.

"Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms". So you're saying that no one had symptoms from Covid? Explain that idiotic statement in a little more detail.

Edit - unless you are saying that vaccine didn't stop the spread it only reduced the voracity of the disease so you had it but showed no symptoms. If that's your point, then how do you not see that as a benefit? You don't go the hospital or die when you don't have symptoms.

Glad you reread it. Plenty of people positive without symptoms before Covid shots were available. I didn't have any symptoms, but Covid positive on 2 occasions in 2021 and 2022 (multiple tests, no covid shots). Your argument makes no sense.

Good for you. Plenty of people died who wouldn’t have had they gotten the vaccine.

Your argument makes no sense.

Again, you're bringing nothing constructive to asymptomatic infections/transmission conversation.

You stated the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. That’s false.

I stand with Walensky on that one.

AW124797 · March 7

HughFreakingDillon said:

I do recall getting my temperature taken before allowed entry into the Apple store…after waiting in a socially distanced line for half an hour. Which seemed fucking absurd at the time, and still does today, really, but people did what they could with evolving information. Or…IT WAS A DRY RUN FOR FULL GOVERNMENT CONTROL OF THE POPULACE THROUGH FIFTEEN MINUTE CITIES.

Yes, it's time to get that conspiracy rolling again. Safe bet around here.

HughFreakingDillon · March 7

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.

Sounds terrible. When did that happen?

In the military for one. Federal jobs.

It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

*I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.

The military has required vaccines forever. This isn't new.

Federal jobs, okay.

The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated. And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality? I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.

For the record, no one made me get vaccinated. Not for work, not for anything. Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.

No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms.

Well-established? Please, provide that scientific evidence that contradicts the Yale study and others. Your entire point is based on a falsehood that you probably got from Twitter or You Tube.

"Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms". So you're saying that no one had symptoms from Covid? Explain that idiotic statement in a little more detail.

Edit - unless you are saying that vaccine didn't stop the spread it only reduced the voracity of the disease so you had it but showed no symptoms. If that's your point, then how do you not see that as a benefit? You don't go the hospital or die when you don't have symptoms.

Glad you reread it. Plenty of people positive without symptoms before Covid shots were available. I didn't have any symptoms, but Covid positive on 2 occasions in 2021 and 2022 (multiple tests, no covid shots). Your argument makes no sense.

Good for you. Plenty of people died who wouldn’t have had they gotten the vaccine.

Your argument makes no sense.

Again, you're bringing nothing constructive to asymptomatic infections/transmission conversation.

You stated the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. That’s false.

I stand with Walensky on that one.

but it's not what he said

AW124797 · March 7

This thread brings pure joy to my heart.

Tim Simmons · March 7

Could it actually be Myocarditis?

Viruses / Vaccines 2

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