Viruses / Vaccines 2

AW124797

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

and “vaccines can’t prevent transmission” statement is false. The direct quote is  

“Fully vaccinated people who get a Covid-19 breakthrough infection can transmit the virus, US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said Thursday.”. 

The “who get a breakthrough infection” part is important. Funny how CNN articles are only posted when they believe they fit their narrative. 

Not only that, but it’s common sense that if the vaccine, even in situations of breakthrough infection, mitigates symptoms and severity/length of illness, obviously that means that rate of spread from that person is also mitigated. 

I can’t believe people still don’t understand this. It’s like arguing a kleenex is useless cuz it doesn’t catch every snot particle. 

Sorry, but that might be some form of a delusional disorder. You don't even have to scroll down. It's in the 2nd paragraph.

“Our vaccines are working exceptionally well,” Walensky told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. “They continue to work well for Delta, with regard to severe illness and death – they prevent it. But what they can’t do anymore is prevent transmission.” 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/05/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html

So you whine about someone else’s supposed tone towards you but you tell me I have a delusional disorder? 

Do you not understand the difference between “the vaccines don’t prevent spread” directly and indirectly (lessening length and severity of symptoms which account for a higher viral load and probability of spreading germs?). You understand the difference between breathing normally and an unblocked sneeze, don’t you? Or am I being condescending? 

Hugh, seemed like delusion or textbook gaslighting. Now, it's obvious you didn't even read it. 

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BF25394 said:

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mrussel1 said:

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mickeyrat said:

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Tim Simmons said:

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mrussel1 said:

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OnWis97 said:

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OnWis97 said:

Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.

Sounds terrible.  When did that happen?  

In the military for one. Federal jobs.

It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

*I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.

The military has required vaccines forever.  This isn't new.  

Federal jobs, okay.  

The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated.  And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality?  I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.  

For the record, no one made me get vaccinated.  Not for work, not for anything.  Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.  

No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms. 

Well-established?  Please, provide that scientific evidence that contradicts the Yale study and others.  Your entire point is based on a falsehood that you probably got from Twitter or You Tube.  

"Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms".  So you're saying that no one had symptoms from Covid?  Explain that idiotic statement in a little more detail.  

Edit - unless you are saying that vaccine didn't stop the spread it only reduced the voracity of the disease so you had it but showed no symptoms.  If that's your point, then how do you not see that as a benefit?  You don't go the hospital or die when you don't have symptoms.  

Glad you reread it. Plenty of people positive without symptoms before Covid shots were available. I didn't have any symptoms, but Covid positive on 2 occasions in 2021 and 2022 (multiple tests, no covid shots). Your argument makes no sense. 

"plenty"

oh ok.

Seriously? Never heard of asymptomatic covid infections before 2021?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220307062

What a waste of time. 

and who would know without antibody test and who would know to take one.

Are you implying they weren't testing for covid in 2020?

asymptomatic people? wtf. you have no symptoms, why would you think you needed to? unless someone in your house or orbit for sure had symptoms/tested positive.

my stepson brought it from his dads. wife and I tested because. no virus for us.

You couldn't enter any hospital without covid test at the entry. Or covid test before visiting grandma. Do you need links? 

You couldn't visit your grandparents without a Covid test?  I'm not sure where you live but that wasn't a problem here.  My kids went to my in-laws all the time.  Very strange. 

And just because you couldn't be ADMITTED into the hospital without a covid test doesn't mean everyone was tested.  I wasn't becuase I didn't go to the hospital.  You seem to speak in generalities and extremes which is very weird and hard to follow.  

English is my second language, but I do appreciate your condescending tone. It keeps me in line during current political climate.

Anyway, Fauci recommended tests before visiting family at Thanksgiving and Christmas. Rings a bell? That was the question regarding testing of the asymptomatic.

Also, any VISITOR, PATIENT or WORKER had to have a valid covid test before entering hospital. There's a world outside of Virginia or wherever your small and ignorant bubble is. 

How does "fuck all" translate in your primary language? Is it something other than "nothing"? Because that's what it conveys in English.

Same, but I don't hear it much in the States. Must be British.

HughFreakingDillon

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

and “vaccines can’t prevent transmission” statement is false. The direct quote is  

“Fully vaccinated people who get a Covid-19 breakthrough infection can transmit the virus, US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said Thursday.”. 

The “who get a breakthrough infection” part is important. Funny how CNN articles are only posted when they believe they fit their narrative. 

Not only that, but it’s common sense that if the vaccine, even in situations of breakthrough infection, mitigates symptoms and severity/length of illness, obviously that means that rate of spread from that person is also mitigated. 

I can’t believe people still don’t understand this. It’s like arguing a kleenex is useless cuz it doesn’t catch every snot particle. 

Sorry, but that might be some form of a delusional disorder. You don't even have to scroll down. It's in the 2nd paragraph.

“Our vaccines are working exceptionally well,” Walensky told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. “They continue to work well for Delta, with regard to severe illness and death – they prevent it. But what they can’t do anymore is prevent transmission.” 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/05/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html

So you whine about someone else’s supposed tone towards you but you tell me I have a delusional disorder? 

Do you not understand the difference between “the vaccines don’t prevent spread” directly and indirectly (lessening length and severity of symptoms which account for a higher viral load and probability of spreading germs?). You understand the difference between breathing normally and an unblocked sneeze, don’t you? Or am I being condescending? 

Hugh, seemed like delusion or textbook gaslighting. Now, it's obvious you didn't even read it. 

Weird how I could manage to pull a direct quote from a piece I didn’t read. Try again. 

AW124797

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

and “vaccines can’t prevent transmission” statement is false. The direct quote is  

“Fully vaccinated people who get a Covid-19 breakthrough infection can transmit the virus, US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said Thursday.”. 

The “who get a breakthrough infection” part is important. Funny how CNN articles are only posted when they believe they fit their narrative. 

Not only that, but it’s common sense that if the vaccine, even in situations of breakthrough infection, mitigates symptoms and severity/length of illness, obviously that means that rate of spread from that person is also mitigated. 

I can’t believe people still don’t understand this. It’s like arguing a kleenex is useless cuz it doesn’t catch every snot particle. 

Sorry, but that might be some form of a delusional disorder. You don't even have to scroll down. It's in the 2nd paragraph.

“Our vaccines are working exceptionally well,” Walensky told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. “They continue to work well for Delta, with regard to severe illness and death – they prevent it. But what they can’t do anymore is prevent transmission.” 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/05/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html

So you whine about someone else’s supposed tone towards you but you tell me I have a delusional disorder? 

Do you not understand the difference between “the vaccines don’t prevent spread” directly and indirectly (lessening length and severity of symptoms which account for a higher viral load and probability of spreading germs?). You understand the difference between breathing normally and an unblocked sneeze, don’t you? Or am I being condescending? 

Hugh, seemed like delusion or textbook gaslighting. Now, it's obvious you didn't even read it. 

Weird how I could manage to pull a direct quote from a piece I didn’t read. Try again. 

Right. Gaslighting then. 

HughFreakingDillon

Three strikes. 

Tim Simmons

BF25394 said:

FYI: I was surprised and pleased to discover last week that the government website that allows you to order free COVID tests is still up and running. The tests I had were all past even their extended expiration dates, so I ordered four new ones from covidtests.gov and they arrived within a few days. It's inexplicable that the current administration is trying to tear down the government brick-by-brick but this site is still operating, but I'm glad it is. Get your free COVID tests while you still can.

They were on the chopping block a few weeks ago, but they reversed it. 

My guess is, once they are gone, they are gone and won’t be started back up again. 

mickeyrat

https://www.threads.net/@courtneyc0v1d/post/DHNacgfu3V1?xmt=AQGzCILG62zGVQb8B87Tfx_M4V1AKkuPNFwKgJLzT-nmGA

Horrifying.

A woman gave birth in Lubbock, Texas and doctors didn’t realize until she had been admitted and went into labor, that she was infected with the measles, exposing other new mothers, newborns and their families.

Spiritual_Chaos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnLZ7n1xwEI

gotthebottle

I for one kinda enjoyed fewer people around....

josevolution

gotthebottle said:

I for one kinda enjoyed fewer people around....

Agreed! 

HughFreakingDillon

Wow, that half decade kinda just crept up on me. Interesting all the Biden is “the lockdown president” when you see a quote by trump saying sweden was making a mistake not shutting down the nation. 

For me it was a net zero positive/negative. As an introvert, I LOVED losing the pressure and subsequent stress of socializing. There was the working frim home transition. 

But of course…no shows. No seeing family. Exchanging Christmas gifts in a park parking lot in Winnipeg in December. My kids were strong, but it affected them deeply not being able to be with friends in person. 

I applaud the swedes for that brave approach, but of course what works in one country isn’t necessarily what works in another. And what will we learn for the next one? Probably not much. It might be completely different based on the behaviour of the pathogen. 

cblock4life

gotthebottle said:

I for one kinda enjoyed fewer people around....

I agree.  You’re all probably too young to remember but it was like long ago on Sunday’s when nothing was open.  

mickeyrat

HughFreakingDillon said:

Wow, that half decade kinda just crept up on me. Interesting all the Biden is “the lockdown president” when you see a quote by trump saying sweden was making a mistake not shutting down the nation. 

For me it was a net zero positive/negative. As an introvert, I LOVED losing the pressure and subsequent stress of socializing. There was the working frim home transition. 

But of course…no shows. No seeing family. Exchanging Christmas gifts in a park parking lot in Winnipeg in December. My kids were strong, but it affected them deeply not being able to be with friends in person. 

I applaud the swedes for that brave approach, but of course what works in one country isn’t necessarily what works in another. And what will we learn for the next one? Probably not much. It might be completely different based on the behaviour of the pathogen. 

what will or did we learn?

ivermectin cures all things. drinking bleach can have an effect.  shining light up your ass isnt just a kink but a medical procedure.

HughFreakingDillon

cblock4life said:

gotthebottle said:

I for one kinda enjoyed fewer people around....

I agree.  You’re all probably too young to remember but it was like long ago on Sunday’s when nothing was open.  

I literally told my kids about this the other day. They were like "nothing???". NOTHING. "what did you do?". WE WENT OUTSIDE. 

tbergs

HughFreakingDillon said:

cblock4life said:

gotthebottle said:

I for one kinda enjoyed fewer people around....

I agree.  You’re all probably too young to remember but it was like long ago on Sunday’s when nothing was open.  

I literally told my kids about this the other day. They were like "nothing???". NOTHING. "what did you do?". WE WENT OUTSIDE. 

Our small town grocery store would be open until about 12 so we'd stop there after church to get any necessities, but otherwise, nada. That grocery store went belly up years ago, replaced by a shitty Dollar General, which litters every small rural town around my childhood home where small locally owned grocery stores used to exist. I think the video rental place was also open a few hours in the afternoon on Sundays so you could return you weekend rentals.

HughFreakingDillon

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cblock4life said:

gotthebottle said:

I for one kinda enjoyed fewer people around....

I agree.  You’re all probably too young to remember but it was like long ago on Sunday’s when nothing was open.  

I literally told my kids about this the other day. They were like "nothing???". NOTHING. "what did you do?". WE WENT OUTSIDE. 

Our small town grocery store would be open until about 12 so we'd stop there after church to get any necessities, but otherwise, nada. That grocery store went belly up years ago, replaced by a shitty Dollar General, which litters every small rural town around my childhood home where small locally owned grocery stores used to exist. I think the video rental place was also open a few hours in the afternoon on Sundays so you could return you weekend rentals.

even in "big city" winnipeg (haha) our video rental stores weren't open sundays at first, so your saturday one day rental was actually a 2 day rental. 

Tim Simmons

Anti-vaxxers are the dumbest people

https://arstechnica.com/health/2025/03/anti-vaccine-group-founded-by-rfk-jr-weaponizes-childs-measles-death/

cblock4life

HughFreakingDillon said:

cblock4life said:

gotthebottle said:

I for one kinda enjoyed fewer people around....

I agree.  You’re all probably too young to remember but it was like long ago on Sunday’s when nothing was open.  

I literally told my kids about this the other day. They were like "nothing???". NOTHING. "what did you do?". WE WENT OUTSIDE. 

Kids are the best and too funny!  

And if that’s a pic of you up there you look a lot my dad!  I don’t mean any offense/disrespect to your mom.  

But damn our brains must have come out of the same mold!  

cblock4life

HughFreakingDillon said:

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cblock4life said:

gotthebottle said:

I for one kinda enjoyed fewer people around....

I agree.  You’re all probably too young to remember but it was like long ago on Sunday’s when nothing was open.  

I literally told my kids about this the other day. They were like "nothing???". NOTHING. "what did you do?". WE WENT OUTSIDE. 

Our small town grocery store would be open until about 12 so we'd stop there after church to get any necessities, but otherwise, nada. That grocery store went belly up years ago, replaced by a shitty Dollar General, which litters every small rural town around my childhood home where small locally owned grocery stores used to exist. I think the video rental place was also open a few hours in the afternoon on Sundays so you could return you weekend rentals.

even in "big city" winnipeg (haha) our video rental stores weren't open sundays at first, so your saturday one day rental was actually a 2 day rental. 

We had two drug stores fairly close that were open on Sundays.  They were both owned by those of the Jewish faith but we could at least get candy before walking to the park (no parents) but it was usually a large group of friends all the time.  Probably smoked my first cigarette at that park too at a very young age.  Good times! 

HughFreakingDillon

cblock4life said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cblock4life said:

gotthebottle said:

I for one kinda enjoyed fewer people around....

I agree.  You’re all probably too young to remember but it was like long ago on Sunday’s when nothing was open.  

I literally told my kids about this the other day. They were like "nothing???". NOTHING. "what did you do?". WE WENT OUTSIDE. 

Kids are the best and too funny!  

And if that’s a pic of you up there you look a lot my dad!  I don’t mean any offense/disrespect to your mom.  

But damn our brains must have come out of the same mold!  

haha it is me, yes. why would that be offensive to my mom?