Viruses / Vaccines 2

AW124797

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.

Sounds terrible.  When did that happen?  

In the military for one. Federal jobs.

It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

*I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.

The military has required vaccines forever.  This isn't new.  

Federal jobs, okay.  

The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated.  And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality?  I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.  

For the record, no one made me get vaccinated.  Not for work, not for anything.  Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.  

No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms. 

Well-established?  Please, provide that scientific evidence that contradicts the Yale study and others.  Your entire point is based on a falsehood that you probably got from Twitter or You Tube.  

"Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms".  So you're saying that no one had symptoms from Covid?  Explain that idiotic statement in a little more detail.  

Edit - unless you are saying that vaccine didn't stop the spread it only reduced the voracity of the disease so you had it but showed no symptoms.  If that's your point, then how do you not see that as a benefit?  You don't go the hospital or die when you don't have symptoms.  

Glad you reread it. Plenty of people positive without symptoms before Covid shots were available. I didn't have any symptoms, but Covid positive on 2 occasions in 2021 and 2022 (multiple tests, no covid shots). Your argument makes no sense. 

Good for you. Plenty of people died who wouldn’t have had they gotten the vaccine. 

Your argument makes no sense. 

Again, you're bringing nothing constructive to asymptomatic infections/transmission conversation. 

You stated the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. That’s false. 

I stand with Walensky on that one. 

but it's not what he said

That's a she. Evidently, you didn't even read or watch her interview. 

Merkin Baller

Tim Simmons said:

Could it actually be Myocarditis?

🤣🤣🤣

mrussel1

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

mickeyrat said:

AW124797 said:

mickeyrat said:

AW124797 said:

Tim Simmons said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.

Sounds terrible.  When did that happen?  

In the military for one. Federal jobs.

It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

*I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.

The military has required vaccines forever.  This isn't new.  

Federal jobs, okay.  

The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated.  And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality?  I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.  

For the record, no one made me get vaccinated.  Not for work, not for anything.  Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.  

No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms. 

Well-established?  Please, provide that scientific evidence that contradicts the Yale study and others.  Your entire point is based on a falsehood that you probably got from Twitter or You Tube.  

"Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms".  So you're saying that no one had symptoms from Covid?  Explain that idiotic statement in a little more detail.  

Edit - unless you are saying that vaccine didn't stop the spread it only reduced the voracity of the disease so you had it but showed no symptoms.  If that's your point, then how do you not see that as a benefit?  You don't go the hospital or die when you don't have symptoms.  

Glad you reread it. Plenty of people positive without symptoms before Covid shots were available. I didn't have any symptoms, but Covid positive on 2 occasions in 2021 and 2022 (multiple tests, no covid shots). Your argument makes no sense. 

"plenty"

oh ok.

Seriously? Never heard of asymptomatic covid infections before 2021?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220307062

What a waste of time. 

and who would know without antibody test and who would know to take one.

Are you implying they weren't testing for covid in 2020?

asymptomatic people? wtf. you have no symptoms, why would you think you needed to? unless someone in your house or orbit for sure had symptoms/tested positive.

my stepson brought it from his dads. wife and I tested because. no virus for us.

You couldn't enter any hospital without covid test at the entry. Or covid test before visiting grandma. Do you need links? 

You couldn't visit your grandparents without a Covid test?  I'm not sure where you live but that wasn't a problem here.  My kids went to my in-laws all the time.  Very strange. 

And just because you couldn't be ADMITTED into the hospital without a covid test doesn't mean everyone was tested.  I wasn't becuase I didn't go to the hospital.  You seem to speak in generalities and extremes which is very weird and hard to follow.  

English is my second language, but I do appreciate your condescending tone. It keeps me in line during current political climate.

Anyway, Fauci recommended tests before visiting family at Thanksgiving and Christmas. Rings a bell? That was the question regarding testing of the asymptomatic.

Also, any VISITOR, PATIENT or WORKER had to have a valid covid test before entering hospital. There's a world outside of Virginia or wherever your small and ignorant bubble is. 

So Fauci recommends something and that is a gov't mandate that we had to follow?

And if English is your second language, do we presume that you were not in the US during the Pandemic?  If that's the case, why do we care what you had to deal with?  You are making it sound like your gov't rules were ours.  

HughFreakingDillon

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.

Sounds terrible.  When did that happen?  

In the military for one. Federal jobs.

It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

*I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.

The military has required vaccines forever.  This isn't new.  

Federal jobs, okay.  

The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated.  And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality?  I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.  

For the record, no one made me get vaccinated.  Not for work, not for anything.  Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.  

No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms. 

Well-established?  Please, provide that scientific evidence that contradicts the Yale study and others.  Your entire point is based on a falsehood that you probably got from Twitter or You Tube.  

"Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms".  So you're saying that no one had symptoms from Covid?  Explain that idiotic statement in a little more detail.  

Edit - unless you are saying that vaccine didn't stop the spread it only reduced the voracity of the disease so you had it but showed no symptoms.  If that's your point, then how do you not see that as a benefit?  You don't go the hospital or die when you don't have symptoms.  

Glad you reread it. Plenty of people positive without symptoms before Covid shots were available. I didn't have any symptoms, but Covid positive on 2 occasions in 2021 and 2022 (multiple tests, no covid shots). Your argument makes no sense. 

Good for you. Plenty of people died who wouldn’t have had they gotten the vaccine. 

Your argument makes no sense. 

Again, you're bringing nothing constructive to asymptomatic infections/transmission conversation. 

You stated the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. That’s false. 

I stand with Walensky on that one. 

but it's not what he said

That's a she. Evidently, you didn't even read or watch her interview. 

I read the article posted. I didn’t see a video link. I will revisit. 

HughFreakingDillon

Yeah, testing before visiting in large groups was recommended when at home tests were widely available. Who cares? People who wanted to, did, thise who didn’t want to, didn’t. 

Why is this even a thing? 

HughFreakingDillon

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

and “vaccines can’t prevent transmission” statement is false. The direct quote is  

“Fully vaccinated people who get a Covid-19 breakthrough infection can transmit the virus, US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said Thursday.”. 

The “who get a breakthrough infection” part is important. Funny how CNN articles are only posted when they believe they fit their narrative. 

Not only that, but it’s common sense that if the vaccine, even in situations of breakthrough infection, mitigates symptoms and severity/length of illness, obviously that means that rate of spread from that person is also mitigated. 

I can’t believe people still don’t understand this. It’s like arguing a kleenex is useless cuz it doesn’t catch every snot particle. 

Sorry, but that might be some form of a delusional disorder. You don't even have to scroll down. It's in the 2nd paragraph.

“Our vaccines are working exceptionally well,” Walensky told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. “They continue to work well for Delta, with regard to severe illness and death – they prevent it. But what they can’t do anymore is prevent transmission.” 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/05/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html

So you whine about someone else’s supposed tone towards you but you tell me I have a delusional disorder? 

Do you not understand the difference between “the vaccines don’t prevent spread” directly and indirectly (lessening length and severity of symptoms which account for a higher viral load and probability of spreading germs?). You understand the difference between breathing normally and an unblocked sneeze, don’t you? Or am I being condescending? 

BF25394

AW124797 said:

BF25394 said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.

Sounds terrible.  When did that happen?  

In the military for one. Federal jobs.

It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

*I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.

The military has required vaccines forever.  This isn't new.  

Federal jobs, okay.  

The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated.  And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality?  I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.  

For the record, no one made me get vaccinated.  Not for work, not for anything.  Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.  

No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms. 

I love when people claim that falsehoods are "well[-]established."

Uptake of the vaccine decreased the spread by preventing some infections and mitigating the severity of others. Less severe infections shed less virus and are less contagious. There are plenty of data supporting these conclusions.

Walesnsky, CDC Director, admitted live on TV that vaccines can't prevent transmission. 

NY healthcare covid vaccine mandate lawsuit came to the same conclusion. 

Seems well-established. 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/05/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html

https://www.syracuse.com/health/2023/01/syracuse-judge-strikes-down-ny-vaccine-mandate-for-health-workers-state-overstepped-authority.html

https://apnews.com/article/politics-health-new-york-city-kathy-hochul-syracuse-c5bea9c7e0e7220d42c45fe9fa96b47c

That wasn't the claim. The claim was that "the vaccine did fuck all for the spread." This is false.

BF25394

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.

Sounds terrible.  When did that happen?  

In the military for one. Federal jobs.

It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

*I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.

The military has required vaccines forever.  This isn't new.  

Federal jobs, okay.  

The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated.  And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality?  I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.  

For the record, no one made me get vaccinated.  Not for work, not for anything.  Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.  

No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms. 

Well-established?  Please, provide that scientific evidence that contradicts the Yale study and others.  Your entire point is based on a falsehood that you probably got from Twitter or You Tube.  

"Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms".  So you're saying that no one had symptoms from Covid?  Explain that idiotic statement in a little more detail.  

Edit - unless you are saying that vaccine didn't stop the spread it only reduced the voracity of the disease so you had it but showed no symptoms.  If that's your point, then how do you not see that as a benefit?  You don't go the hospital or die when you don't have symptoms.  

Glad you reread it. Plenty of people positive without symptoms before Covid shots were available. I didn't have any symptoms, but Covid positive on 2 occasions in 2021 and 2022 (multiple tests, no covid shots). Your argument makes no sense. 

Good for you. Plenty of people died who wouldn’t have had they gotten the vaccine. 

Your argument makes no sense. 

Again, you're bringing nothing constructive to asymptomatic infections/transmission conversation. 

You stated the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. That’s false. 

I didn't realize that you beat me to this response. Hat tip.

To AW: In clinical trials before distribution, the vaccine had a success rate of 94-96 percent, depending on the trial and the vaccine. It was always clear from those data that transmission could still occur, but that severity was mitigated in instances of transmission among the vaccinated.

BF25394

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

mickeyrat said:

AW124797 said:

mickeyrat said:

AW124797 said:

Tim Simmons said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.

Sounds terrible.  When did that happen?  

In the military for one. Federal jobs.

It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

*I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.

The military has required vaccines forever.  This isn't new.  

Federal jobs, okay.  

The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated.  And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality?  I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.  

For the record, no one made me get vaccinated.  Not for work, not for anything.  Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.  

No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms. 

Well-established?  Please, provide that scientific evidence that contradicts the Yale study and others.  Your entire point is based on a falsehood that you probably got from Twitter or You Tube.  

"Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms".  So you're saying that no one had symptoms from Covid?  Explain that idiotic statement in a little more detail.  

Edit - unless you are saying that vaccine didn't stop the spread it only reduced the voracity of the disease so you had it but showed no symptoms.  If that's your point, then how do you not see that as a benefit?  You don't go the hospital or die when you don't have symptoms.  

Glad you reread it. Plenty of people positive without symptoms before Covid shots were available. I didn't have any symptoms, but Covid positive on 2 occasions in 2021 and 2022 (multiple tests, no covid shots). Your argument makes no sense. 

"plenty"

oh ok.

Seriously? Never heard of asymptomatic covid infections before 2021?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220307062

What a waste of time. 

and who would know without antibody test and who would know to take one.

Are you implying they weren't testing for covid in 2020?

asymptomatic people? wtf. you have no symptoms, why would you think you needed to? unless someone in your house or orbit for sure had symptoms/tested positive.

my stepson brought it from his dads. wife and I tested because. no virus for us.

You couldn't enter any hospital without covid test at the entry. Or covid test before visiting grandma. Do you need links? 

You couldn't visit your grandparents without a Covid test?  I'm not sure where you live but that wasn't a problem here.  My kids went to my in-laws all the time.  Very strange. 

And just because you couldn't be ADMITTED into the hospital without a covid test doesn't mean everyone was tested.  I wasn't becuase I didn't go to the hospital.  You seem to speak in generalities and extremes which is very weird and hard to follow.  

English is my second language, but I do appreciate your condescending tone. It keeps me in line during current political climate.

Anyway, Fauci recommended tests before visiting family at Thanksgiving and Christmas. Rings a bell? That was the question regarding testing of the asymptomatic.

Also, any VISITOR, PATIENT or WORKER had to have a valid covid test before entering hospital. There's a world outside of Virginia or wherever your small and ignorant bubble is. 

How does "fuck all" translate in your primary language? Is it something other than "nothing"? Because that's what it conveys in English.

Merkin Baller

AW124797 said:

This thread brings pure joy to my heart.

*Pure* joy 

23scidoo

Merkin Baller said:

AW124797 said:

This thread brings pure joy to my heart.

*Pure* joy 

Oh, so much fun..

mickeyrat

BREAKING: Texas pharmacies are running out of MMR vaccines as the measles outbreak spirals.

mickeyrat

https://www.threads.net/@apnews/post/DG-tJUrPY5n?xmt=AQGz6NeOjKBBRAWOyXeLFII7XkorjwM_Q_sC90C_id1Abg

As West Texas grapples with the ongoing measles outbreak, many continue to choose family autonomy over vaccine mandates. A collaboration with Texas Tribune @texas_tribune

mickeyrat

A measles case in Maryland. At an AIRPORT.

From the Maryland Dept of Health (because God knows RFK Jr's CDC won't say anything), March 9, 2025:

https://health.maryland.gov/newsroom/Pages/One-Case-of-Measles-Confirmed-in-Maryland.aspx

Tim Simmons

mickeyrat said:

BREAKING: Texas pharmacies are running out of MMR vaccines as the measles outbreak spirals.

While on its face bad, I hope this is a good thing because an overwhelming amount of people are vaccinating. But also, I hope it’s not double bad that they only had like 10,000 doses in the state because Texas decided to be tough or something. 

mrussel1

Tim Simmons said:

mickeyrat said:

BREAKING: Texas pharmacies are running out of MMR vaccines as the measles outbreak spirals.

While on its face bad, I hope this is a good thing because an overwhelming amount of people are vaccinating. But also, I hope it’s not double bad that they only had like 10,000 doses in the state because Texas decided to be tough or something. 

Only hippies and commies stockpile enough medicine.  

josevolution

mrussel1 said:

Tim Simmons said:

mickeyrat said:

BREAKING: Texas pharmacies are running out of MMR vaccines as the measles outbreak spirals.

While on its face bad, I hope this is a good thing because an overwhelming amount of people are vaccinating. But also, I hope it’s not double bad that they only had like 10,000 doses in the state because Texas decided to be tough or something. 

Only hippies and commies stockpile enough medicine.  

Weed & wine too 😉

mrussel1

josevolution said:

mrussel1 said:

Tim Simmons said:

mickeyrat said:

BREAKING: Texas pharmacies are running out of MMR vaccines as the measles outbreak spirals.

While on its face bad, I hope this is a good thing because an overwhelming amount of people are vaccinating. But also, I hope it’s not double bad that they only had like 10,000 doses in the state because Texas decided to be tough or something. 

Only hippies and commies stockpile enough medicine.  

Weed & wine too 😉

It was my understanding that those fell into the category of "medicine".  Sort of like Fruit Roll-Ups are considered fruit to the US Gov't for student lunches.  

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

josevolution said:

mrussel1 said:

Tim Simmons said:

mickeyrat said:

BREAKING: Texas pharmacies are running out of MMR vaccines as the measles outbreak spirals.

While on its face bad, I hope this is a good thing because an overwhelming amount of people are vaccinating. But also, I hope it’s not double bad that they only had like 10,000 doses in the state because Texas decided to be tough or something. 

Only hippies and commies stockpile enough medicine.  

Weed & wine too 😉

It was my understanding that those fell into the category of "medicine".  Sort of like Fruit Roll-Ups are considered fruit to the US Gov't for student lunches.  

Kinda like Catsup is a vegetable.

DE4173

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

josevolution said:

mrussel1 said:

Tim Simmons said:

mickeyrat said:

BREAKING: Texas pharmacies are running out of MMR vaccines as the measles outbreak spirals.

While on its face bad, I hope this is a good thing because an overwhelming amount of people are vaccinating. But also, I hope it’s not double bad that they only had like 10,000 doses in the state because Texas decided to be tough or something. 

Only hippies and commies stockpile enough medicine.  

Weed & wine too 😉

It was my understanding that those fell into the category of "medicine".  Sort of like Fruit Roll-Ups are considered fruit to the US Gov't for student lunches.  

Kinda like Catsup is a vegetable.