Viruses / Vaccines 2

OnWis97

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.

Sounds terrible.  When did that happen?  

In the military for one. Federal jobs.

It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

*I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.

OnWis97

Also, plenty of governments did this, if not the federal: COVID-19 vaccination mandates in the United States - Wikipedia

mrussel1

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.

Sounds terrible.  When did that happen?  

In the military for one. Federal jobs.

It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

*I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.

The military has required vaccines forever.  This isn't new.  

Federal jobs, okay.  

The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated.  And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality?  I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.  

For the record, no one made me get vaccinated.  Not for work, not for anything.  Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.  

OnWis97

PS...
...my test results.


Rubeola (measles) and rubella testing shows immunity. However, the mumps titer did show that your antibody level may be too low for immunity. One dose of the MMR can be administered to increase your mumps immunity.

HughFreakingDillon

I wasn’t forced to get the vaccine for my employer. 

My employer just wasn’t forced to keep me employed based on updated company employment standards. 

I chose to comply. I was not forced. No one was held down and injected against their will. 

NO ONE WAS. 

Language matters. 

tempo_n_groove

Looking at past history of Measles outbreaks 2019 was the worst.  Since then it's still not that crazy amounts. 2019 had 1400 cases by means is only .0004% of the population.

https://www.cdc.gov/measles/data-research/index.html

It's news but it's not?

BF25394

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wasn’t forced to get the vaccine for my employer. 

My employer just wasn’t forced to keep me employed based on updated company employment standards. 

I chose to comply. I was not forced. No one was held down and injected against their will. 

NO ONE WAS. 

Language matters. 

I second this. I feel like we had a previous round of posts on the meaning of "forced" somewhere around page 150 of this thread.

AW124797

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.

Sounds terrible.  When did that happen?  

In the military for one. Federal jobs.

It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

*I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.

The military has required vaccines forever.  This isn't new.  

Federal jobs, okay.  

The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated.  And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality?  I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.  

For the record, no one made me get vaccinated.  Not for work, not for anything.  Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.  

No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms. 

Merkin Baller

Huh

https://ysph.yale.edu/news-article/yale-study-vaccines-and-booster-shots-are-key-to-controlling-spread-of-covid-variants/

mrussel1

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.

Sounds terrible.  When did that happen?  

In the military for one. Federal jobs.

It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

*I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.

The military has required vaccines forever.  This isn't new.  

Federal jobs, okay.  

The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated.  And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality?  I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.  

For the record, no one made me get vaccinated.  Not for work, not for anything.  Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.  

No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms. 

Well-established?  Please, provide that scientific evidence that contradicts the Yale study and others.  Your entire point is based on a falsehood that you probably got from Twitter or You Tube.  

"Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms".  So you're saying that no one had symptoms from Covid?  Explain that idiotic statement in a little more detail.  

Edit - unless you are saying that vaccine didn't stop the spread it only reduced the voracity of the disease so you had it but showed no symptoms.  If that's your point, then how do you not see that as a benefit?  You don't go the hospital or die when you don't have symptoms.  

mickeyrat

Tuberculosis, the deadliest infectious disease on the planet, kills more than 1.25M people a year.

New infections are expected to surge by 30% as a result of closing USAID, a memo says. The increase will inevitably lead to cases in the U.S.
https://propub.li/3XR0UCX

BF25394

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.

Sounds terrible.  When did that happen?  

In the military for one. Federal jobs.

It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

*I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.

The military has required vaccines forever.  This isn't new.  

Federal jobs, okay.  

The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated.  And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality?  I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.  

For the record, no one made me get vaccinated.  Not for work, not for anything.  Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.  

No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms. 

I love when people claim that falsehoods are "well[-]established."

Uptake of the vaccine decreased the spread by preventing some infections and mitigating the severity of others. Less severe infections shed less virus and are less contagious. There are plenty of data supporting these conclusions.

AW124797

BF25394 said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.

Sounds terrible.  When did that happen?  

In the military for one. Federal jobs.

It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

*I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.

The military has required vaccines forever.  This isn't new.  

Federal jobs, okay.  

The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated.  And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality?  I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.  

For the record, no one made me get vaccinated.  Not for work, not for anything.  Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.  

No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms. 

I love when people claim that falsehoods are "well[-]established."

Uptake of the vaccine decreased the spread by preventing some infections and mitigating the severity of others. Less severe infections shed less virus and are less contagious. There are plenty of data supporting these conclusions.

Walesnsky, CDC Director, admitted live on TV that vaccines can't prevent transmission. 

NY healthcare covid vaccine mandate lawsuit came to the same conclusion. 

Seems well-established. 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/05/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html

https://www.syracuse.com/health/2023/01/syracuse-judge-strikes-down-ny-vaccine-mandate-for-health-workers-state-overstepped-authority.html

https://apnews.com/article/politics-health-new-york-city-kathy-hochul-syracuse-c5bea9c7e0e7220d42c45fe9fa96b47c

AW124797

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.

Sounds terrible.  When did that happen?  

In the military for one. Federal jobs.

It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

*I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.

The military has required vaccines forever.  This isn't new.  

Federal jobs, okay.  

The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated.  And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality?  I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.  

For the record, no one made me get vaccinated.  Not for work, not for anything.  Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.  

No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms. 

Well-established?  Please, provide that scientific evidence that contradicts the Yale study and others.  Your entire point is based on a falsehood that you probably got from Twitter or You Tube.  

"Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms".  So you're saying that no one had symptoms from Covid?  Explain that idiotic statement in a little more detail.  

Edit - unless you are saying that vaccine didn't stop the spread it only reduced the voracity of the disease so you had it but showed no symptoms.  If that's your point, then how do you not see that as a benefit?  You don't go the hospital or die when you don't have symptoms.  

Glad you reread it. Plenty of people positive without symptoms before Covid shots were available. I didn't have any symptoms, but Covid positive on 2 occasions in 2021 and 2022 (multiple tests, no covid shots). Your argument makes no sense. 

cincybearcat

mickeyrat said:

Tuberculosis, the deadliest infectious disease on the planet, kills more than 1.25M people a year.

New infections are expected to surge by 30% as a result of closing USAID, a memo says. The increase will inevitably lead to cases in the U.S.
https://propub.li/3XR0UCX

Yeah I hate that they (MAGA/Elon) just lump everything together and give it a label.

I am 100% certain there was $ being spent on dumb shit through USAID.  I am also 100% certain there was $ being spent on important shit through USAID.

They look at these and see 80/20 ... thinking it's 80% bad so they blow it up.  It's likely 20% bad and needs a review.  But quit eliminating the 80% that you just do not understand.

Tim Simmons

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.

Sounds terrible.  When did that happen?  

In the military for one. Federal jobs.

It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

*I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.

The military has required vaccines forever.  This isn't new.  

Federal jobs, okay.  

The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated.  And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality?  I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.  

For the record, no one made me get vaccinated.  Not for work, not for anything.  Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.  

No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms. 

Well-established?  Please, provide that scientific evidence that contradicts the Yale study and others.  Your entire point is based on a falsehood that you probably got from Twitter or You Tube.  

"Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms".  So you're saying that no one had symptoms from Covid?  Explain that idiotic statement in a little more detail.  

Edit - unless you are saying that vaccine didn't stop the spread it only reduced the voracity of the disease so you had it but showed no symptoms.  If that's your point, then how do you not see that as a benefit?  You don't go the hospital or die when you don't have symptoms.  

Glad you reread it. Plenty of people positive without symptoms before Covid shots were available. I didn't have any symptoms, but Covid positive on 2 occasions in 2021 and 2022 (multiple tests, no covid shots). Your argument makes no sense. 

"plenty"

oh ok.

HughFreakingDillon

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.

Sounds terrible.  When did that happen?  

In the military for one. Federal jobs.

It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

*I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.

The military has required vaccines forever.  This isn't new.  

Federal jobs, okay.  

The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated.  And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality?  I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.  

For the record, no one made me get vaccinated.  Not for work, not for anything.  Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.  

No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms. 

Well-established?  Please, provide that scientific evidence that contradicts the Yale study and others.  Your entire point is based on a falsehood that you probably got from Twitter or You Tube.  

"Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms".  So you're saying that no one had symptoms from Covid?  Explain that idiotic statement in a little more detail.  

Edit - unless you are saying that vaccine didn't stop the spread it only reduced the voracity of the disease so you had it but showed no symptoms.  If that's your point, then how do you not see that as a benefit?  You don't go the hospital or die when you don't have symptoms.  

Glad you reread it. Plenty of people positive without symptoms before Covid shots were available. I didn't have any symptoms, but Covid positive on 2 occasions in 2021 and 2022 (multiple tests, no covid shots). Your argument makes no sense. 

Good for you. Plenty of people died who wouldn’t have had they gotten the vaccine. 

Your argument makes no sense. 

HughFreakingDillon

and “vaccines can’t prevent transmission” statement is false. The direct quote is  

“Fully vaccinated people who get a Covid-19 breakthrough infection can transmit the virus, US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said Thursday.”. 

The “who get a breakthrough infection” part is important. Funny how CNN articles are only posted when they believe they fit their narrative. 

Not only that, but it’s common sense that if the vaccine, even in situations of breakthrough infection, mitigates symptoms and severity/length of illness, obviously that means that rate of spread from that person is also mitigated. 

I can’t believe people still don’t understand this. It’s like arguing a kleenex is useless cuz it doesn’t catch every snot particle. 

AW124797

Tim Simmons said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.

Sounds terrible.  When did that happen?  

In the military for one. Federal jobs.

It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

*I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.

The military has required vaccines forever.  This isn't new.  

Federal jobs, okay.  

The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated.  And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality?  I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.  

For the record, no one made me get vaccinated.  Not for work, not for anything.  Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.  

No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms. 

Well-established?  Please, provide that scientific evidence that contradicts the Yale study and others.  Your entire point is based on a falsehood that you probably got from Twitter or You Tube.  

"Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms".  So you're saying that no one had symptoms from Covid?  Explain that idiotic statement in a little more detail.  

Edit - unless you are saying that vaccine didn't stop the spread it only reduced the voracity of the disease so you had it but showed no symptoms.  If that's your point, then how do you not see that as a benefit?  You don't go the hospital or die when you don't have symptoms.  

Glad you reread it. Plenty of people positive without symptoms before Covid shots were available. I didn't have any symptoms, but Covid positive on 2 occasions in 2021 and 2022 (multiple tests, no covid shots). Your argument makes no sense. 

"plenty"

oh ok.

Seriously? Never heard of asymptomatic covid infections before 2021?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220307062

What a waste of time. 

mickeyrat

AW124797 said:

Tim Simmons said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

OnWis97 said:

Forced vaccinations is one of the worst things US goverment has ever done. Maybe THE worst thing it's ever done to white people.

And its helping fuel RFK's anti-vax movement today.

Sounds terrible.  When did that happen?  

In the military for one. Federal jobs.

It happened a lot with non-government employers as well. That said, I was caught up in the moment and not really upset. Well, I should have been. I had to vaccinate* to go see PJ in New Jersey (which is not quite as terrible in that going to a concert is not as vital as going to work). And did the vaccines even help stop any spread? I don't believe so but maybe I've been suckered in by fake news?

*I was vaccinated anyway. I'm vaccinated a few times by choice. But I do know people who were vaccinated to keep their jobs. Sure, you could call it a choice, but most people cannot just quit their jobs.

This idea of using the covid vax to protect society the way the polio vax does was a bit ahead of itself.

It's the only thing MAGA's angry about that I sympathize with...and I still wear a mask to the grocery store.

The military has required vaccines forever.  This isn't new.  

Federal jobs, okay.  

The gov't didn't make PJ require you to get vaccinated.  And you really don't think the vaccine reduced teh spread and reduced the severity and mortality?  I think it's fairly well established that the vaccine reduced the severity of the disease.  

For the record, no one made me get vaccinated.  Not for work, not for anything.  Considering I'm a citizen under the authority of the US gov't, I would disagree with your statement to start.  

No one made you get the shot because you were first in line at the clinic. It was well established that the vaccine did fuck all for the spread. Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms. 

Well-established?  Please, provide that scientific evidence that contradicts the Yale study and others.  Your entire point is based on a falsehood that you probably got from Twitter or You Tube.  

"Everyone was sick or positive without symptoms".  So you're saying that no one had symptoms from Covid?  Explain that idiotic statement in a little more detail.  

Edit - unless you are saying that vaccine didn't stop the spread it only reduced the voracity of the disease so you had it but showed no symptoms.  If that's your point, then how do you not see that as a benefit?  You don't go the hospital or die when you don't have symptoms.  

Glad you reread it. Plenty of people positive without symptoms before Covid shots were available. I didn't have any symptoms, but Covid positive on 2 occasions in 2021 and 2022 (multiple tests, no covid shots). Your argument makes no sense. 

"plenty"

oh ok.

Seriously? Never heard of asymptomatic covid infections before 2021?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220307062

What a waste of time. 

and who would know without antibody test and who would know to take one.