Viruses / Vaccines 2

benjs

TJ25487 said:

Zod said:

I deem Covid19 officially over.   The company I work for removed the plastic shields on our desks last week.   The last remnants of the pandemic.

It is far from over my friend:

VACCINE FALLOUT: David Martin says best case scenario for covid jabs is “about 600 million people incapacitated”

Dr. David Martin spoke with Seth Holehouse recently about the number of people who either already are or will be incapacitated due to either receiving Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) “vaccines” personally or having to take care of someone they know who did and became injured – and the numbers are ugly.

Starting with the number three billion, which is a rough estimate for how many people around the world took a COVID injection or injections, Martin looked at which jab lots and batches were most harmful and which were least harmful. From that, he calculated that around 600 million people in a best-case scenario will soon be incapacitated – if they are not already incapacitated.

“If we start with the number three billion, and then we start looking at ‘what were these problematic lots and batches?’ which is the way I’ve looked at this thing from the standpoint from the way I look at the world, because I look at the world through the lens of risk management and risk transfer,” we arrive that this figure, Martin explained.

“Most people don’t know that my corporation is involved in risk management,” Martin added. “We happen to do financial risk management, but we are very intimately involved in the broader sector of what we think of as actuarial sciences that give rise to insurance.”

After looking at the numbers and evaluating the lots most associated with extremely high numbers of adverse reactions, Martin believes that the number of people worldwide who will lose, or already have lost, their ability to function as normal in society will be the equivalent of two United States populations combined.

“There’s been a lot of conversation about the fact that there are certain batches that had high degrees of problematic adverse events, and then certain batches that seemed to have no effect at all,” Martin explained.

“If you look at the number of problematic batches – you’re talking about seven to 15 percent, somewhere in that range – of all the batches … that had extremely severe adverse events … we’re talking about in the best case … we’re talking about permanent death and disability to 300 million people – that i the best case. That is the entire population of the United States distributed across the world – that is the number we’re talking about and that is the best case.”

Martin estimates that upwards of 300 million people around the world have personally succumbed to or been incapacitated due to having taken a COVID shot or shots. Such incapacitation includes long-term health problems such as stroke, paralysis, neurodegenerative problems, Alzheimer’s disease, and other things resulting in disability.

Another 300 million people at least will be taken out of the workforce and out of normal everyday life by the sheer fact that they will have to look after the other 300 million people. This incapacitated group may include family members, friends, and caretakers of the sick and disabled who got jabbed.

“Putting this into context, when we think about what this means … the amount of care that is required to deal with people who are suffering from long-term effects … what we know is that this 300 million people take out another 300 million or more people because these are people who will not be able to be part of the contributing economy,” Martin said.

“They’re not going to be able to do the things they have historically done because they will be, in fact, involved in the near 24/7 care of the individuals who are actually in that other 300 million. So, we’re talking about 600 million people incapacitated.”

The latest news about the devastating impact of COVID injections on human health can be found at ChemicalViolence.com

1. All of this is bullshit, and you’d have to be high, blindly faithful to your own beliefs, or stupid to believe it.
2. Here’s a detailed review of why this individual is a bullshit spreader, and why the notions he spreads are bullshit: https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/financial-analyst-david-martin-misrepresents-studies-patent-applications-promote-baseless-claim-sars-cov-2-developed-bioweapon/
3. Turn off your mind is bad advice from the Beatles. It may not be dying, but being an ignorant spreader of dangerous falsehoods isn’t much better than being an ignorant spreader of CoVID.
4. I wish I had the confidence that this stupid shit could be left unaddressed without harm. I also wish I had the confidence that I’m not wasting words right now, but you lot are too far gone.
5. Here’s a published research paper on a pandemic that started before CoVID and at this rate, shows no signs of slowing down. It’s the pandemic of believing this fucking nonsense.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9988712/

Zod

TJ25487 said:

Zod said:

I deem Covid19 officially over.   The company I work for removed the plastic shields on our desks last week.   The last remnants of the pandemic.

It is far from over my friend:

VACCINE FALLOUT: David Martin says best case scenario for covid jabs is “about 600 million people incapacitated”

Dr. David Martin spoke with Seth Holehouse recently about the number of people who either already are or will be incapacitated due to either receiving Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) “vaccines” personally or having to take care of someone they know who did and became injured – and the numbers are ugly.

Starting with the number three billion, which is a rough estimate for how many people around the world took a COVID injection or injections, Martin looked at which jab lots and batches were most harmful and which were least harmful. From that, he calculated that around 600 million people in a best-case scenario will soon be incapacitated – if they are not already incapacitated.

“If we start with the number three billion, and then we start looking at ‘what were these problematic lots and batches?’ which is the way I’ve looked at this thing from the standpoint from the way I look at the world, because I look at the world through the lens of risk management and risk transfer,” we arrive that this figure, Martin explained.

“Most people don’t know that my corporation is involved in risk management,” Martin added. “We happen to do financial risk management, but we are very intimately involved in the broader sector of what we think of as actuarial sciences that give rise to insurance.”

After looking at the numbers and evaluating the lots most associated with extremely high numbers of adverse reactions, Martin believes that the number of people worldwide who will lose, or already have lost, their ability to function as normal in society will be the equivalent of two United States populations combined.

“There’s been a lot of conversation about the fact that there are certain batches that had high degrees of problematic adverse events, and then certain batches that seemed to have no effect at all,” Martin explained.

“If you look at the number of problematic batches – you’re talking about seven to 15 percent, somewhere in that range – of all the batches … that had extremely severe adverse events … we’re talking about in the best case … we’re talking about permanent death and disability to 300 million people – that i the best case. That is the entire population of the United States distributed across the world – that is the number we’re talking about and that is the best case.”

Martin estimates that upwards of 300 million people around the world have personally succumbed to or been incapacitated due to having taken a COVID shot or shots. Such incapacitation includes long-term health problems such as stroke, paralysis, neurodegenerative problems, Alzheimer’s disease, and other things resulting in disability.

Another 300 million people at least will be taken out of the workforce and out of normal everyday life by the sheer fact that they will have to look after the other 300 million people. This incapacitated group may include family members, friends, and caretakers of the sick and disabled who got jabbed.

“Putting this into context, when we think about what this means … the amount of care that is required to deal with people who are suffering from long-term effects … what we know is that this 300 million people take out another 300 million or more people because these are people who will not be able to be part of the contributing economy,” Martin said.

“They’re not going to be able to do the things they have historically done because they will be, in fact, involved in the near 24/7 care of the individuals who are actually in that other 300 million. So, we’re talking about 600 million people incapacitated.”

The latest news about the devastating impact of COVID injections on human health can be found at ChemicalViolence.com

I mean I was joking, but covid seems to be a non-issue now.  I also don't get how people who have all had vaccines and are fine, are all of a sudden going to be incapacitated a long while after getting said vaccine (as it's been 2 years since the started rolling out).  That really doesn't seem to be a good source.

I could just make up another unsubstantiated article that Dr. Zod says everything is going be ok

brianlux

More bullshit to distract us from the issues that actually are worth paying attention to. 

mickeyrat

brianlux said:

More bullshit to distract us from the issues that actually are worth paying attention to. 

like emails and a laptop. we MUST get to the bottom of these critical issues... our future depends on it. .

Go Beavers

static111 said:

TJ25487 said:

Zod said:

I deem Covid19 officially over.   The company I work for removed the plastic shields on our desks last week.   The last remnants of the pandemic.

It is far from over my friend:

VACCINE FALLOUT: David Martin says best case scenario for covid jabs is “about 600 million people incapacitated”

Dr. David Martin spoke with Seth Holehouse recently about the number of people who either already are or will be incapacitated due to either receiving Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) “vaccines” personally or having to take care of someone they know who did and became injured – and the numbers are ugly.

Starting with the number three billion, which is a rough estimate for how many people around the world took a COVID injection or injections, Martin looked at which jab lots and batches were most harmful and which were least harmful. From that, he calculated that around 600 million people in a best-case scenario will soon be incapacitated – if they are not already incapacitated.

“If we start with the number three billion, and then we start looking at ‘what were these problematic lots and batches?’ which is the way I’ve looked at this thing from the standpoint from the way I look at the world, because I look at the world through the lens of risk management and risk transfer,” we arrive that this figure, Martin explained.

“Most people don’t know that my corporation is involved in risk management,” Martin added. “We happen to do financial risk management, but we are very intimately involved in the broader sector of what we think of as actuarial sciences that give rise to insurance.”

After looking at the numbers and evaluating the lots most associated with extremely high numbers of adverse reactions, Martin believes that the number of people worldwide who will lose, or already have lost, their ability to function as normal in society will be the equivalent of two United States populations combined.

“There’s been a lot of conversation about the fact that there are certain batches that had high degrees of problematic adverse events, and then certain batches that seemed to have no effect at all,” Martin explained.

“If you look at the number of problematic batches – you’re talking about seven to 15 percent, somewhere in that range – of all the batches … that had extremely severe adverse events … we’re talking about in the best case … we’re talking about permanent death and disability to 300 million people – that i the best case. That is the entire population of the United States distributed across the world – that is the number we’re talking about and that is the best case.”

Martin estimates that upwards of 300 million people around the world have personally succumbed to or been incapacitated due to having taken a COVID shot or shots. Such incapacitation includes long-term health problems such as stroke, paralysis, neurodegenerative problems, Alzheimer’s disease, and other things resulting in disability.

Another 300 million people at least will be taken out of the workforce and out of normal everyday life by the sheer fact that they will have to look after the other 300 million people. This incapacitated group may include family members, friends, and caretakers of the sick and disabled who got jabbed.

“Putting this into context, when we think about what this means … the amount of care that is required to deal with people who are suffering from long-term effects … what we know is that this 300 million people take out another 300 million or more people because these are people who will not be able to be part of the contributing economy,” Martin said.

“They’re not going to be able to do the things they have historically done because they will be, in fact, involved in the near 24/7 care of the individuals who are actually in that other 300 million. So, we’re talking about 600 million people incapacitated.”

The latest news about the devastating impact of COVID injections on human health can be found at ChemicalViolence.com

So clearly these 300 million people haven't had a severe reaction yet.  When is the phantom timeframe that all of these time bombs go off?

Didn’t you read it? SOON!

He looked at the numbers! 

mrussel1

Go Beavers said:

static111 said:

TJ25487 said:

Zod said:

I deem Covid19 officially over.   The company I work for removed the plastic shields on our desks last week.   The last remnants of the pandemic.

It is far from over my friend:

VACCINE FALLOUT: David Martin says best case scenario for covid jabs is “about 600 million people incapacitated”

Dr. David Martin spoke with Seth Holehouse recently about the number of people who either already are or will be incapacitated due to either receiving Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) “vaccines” personally or having to take care of someone they know who did and became injured – and the numbers are ugly.

Starting with the number three billion, which is a rough estimate for how many people around the world took a COVID injection or injections, Martin looked at which jab lots and batches were most harmful and which were least harmful. From that, he calculated that around 600 million people in a best-case scenario will soon be incapacitated – if they are not already incapacitated.

“If we start with the number three billion, and then we start looking at ‘what were these problematic lots and batches?’ which is the way I’ve looked at this thing from the standpoint from the way I look at the world, because I look at the world through the lens of risk management and risk transfer,” we arrive that this figure, Martin explained.

“Most people don’t know that my corporation is involved in risk management,” Martin added. “We happen to do financial risk management, but we are very intimately involved in the broader sector of what we think of as actuarial sciences that give rise to insurance.”

After looking at the numbers and evaluating the lots most associated with extremely high numbers of adverse reactions, Martin believes that the number of people worldwide who will lose, or already have lost, their ability to function as normal in society will be the equivalent of two United States populations combined.

“There’s been a lot of conversation about the fact that there are certain batches that had high degrees of problematic adverse events, and then certain batches that seemed to have no effect at all,” Martin explained.

“If you look at the number of problematic batches – you’re talking about seven to 15 percent, somewhere in that range – of all the batches … that had extremely severe adverse events … we’re talking about in the best case … we’re talking about permanent death and disability to 300 million people – that i the best case. That is the entire population of the United States distributed across the world – that is the number we’re talking about and that is the best case.”

Martin estimates that upwards of 300 million people around the world have personally succumbed to or been incapacitated due to having taken a COVID shot or shots. Such incapacitation includes long-term health problems such as stroke, paralysis, neurodegenerative problems, Alzheimer’s disease, and other things resulting in disability.

Another 300 million people at least will be taken out of the workforce and out of normal everyday life by the sheer fact that they will have to look after the other 300 million people. This incapacitated group may include family members, friends, and caretakers of the sick and disabled who got jabbed.

“Putting this into context, when we think about what this means … the amount of care that is required to deal with people who are suffering from long-term effects … what we know is that this 300 million people take out another 300 million or more people because these are people who will not be able to be part of the contributing economy,” Martin said.

“They’re not going to be able to do the things they have historically done because they will be, in fact, involved in the near 24/7 care of the individuals who are actually in that other 300 million. So, we’re talking about 600 million people incapacitated.”

The latest news about the devastating impact of COVID injections on human health can be found at ChemicalViolence.com

So clearly these 300 million people haven't had a severe reaction yet.  When is the phantom timeframe that all of these time bombs go off?

Didn’t you read it? SOON!

He looked at the numbers! 

I'm really impressed with the imaginary "bad batch" numbers.  

static111

Go Beavers said:

static111 said:

TJ25487 said:

Zod said:

I deem Covid19 officially over.   The company I work for removed the plastic shields on our desks last week.   The last remnants of the pandemic.

It is far from over my friend:

VACCINE FALLOUT: David Martin says best case scenario for covid jabs is “about 600 million people incapacitated”

Dr. David Martin spoke with Seth Holehouse recently about the number of people who either already are or will be incapacitated due to either receiving Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) “vaccines” personally or having to take care of someone they know who did and became injured – and the numbers are ugly.

Starting with the number three billion, which is a rough estimate for how many people around the world took a COVID injection or injections, Martin looked at which jab lots and batches were most harmful and which were least harmful. From that, he calculated that around 600 million people in a best-case scenario will soon be incapacitated – if they are not already incapacitated.

“If we start with the number three billion, and then we start looking at ‘what were these problematic lots and batches?’ which is the way I’ve looked at this thing from the standpoint from the way I look at the world, because I look at the world through the lens of risk management and risk transfer,” we arrive that this figure, Martin explained.

“Most people don’t know that my corporation is involved in risk management,” Martin added. “We happen to do financial risk management, but we are very intimately involved in the broader sector of what we think of as actuarial sciences that give rise to insurance.”

After looking at the numbers and evaluating the lots most associated with extremely high numbers of adverse reactions, Martin believes that the number of people worldwide who will lose, or already have lost, their ability to function as normal in society will be the equivalent of two United States populations combined.

“There’s been a lot of conversation about the fact that there are certain batches that had high degrees of problematic adverse events, and then certain batches that seemed to have no effect at all,” Martin explained.

“If you look at the number of problematic batches – you’re talking about seven to 15 percent, somewhere in that range – of all the batches … that had extremely severe adverse events … we’re talking about in the best case … we’re talking about permanent death and disability to 300 million people – that i the best case. That is the entire population of the United States distributed across the world – that is the number we’re talking about and that is the best case.”

Martin estimates that upwards of 300 million people around the world have personally succumbed to or been incapacitated due to having taken a COVID shot or shots. Such incapacitation includes long-term health problems such as stroke, paralysis, neurodegenerative problems, Alzheimer’s disease, and other things resulting in disability.

Another 300 million people at least will be taken out of the workforce and out of normal everyday life by the sheer fact that they will have to look after the other 300 million people. This incapacitated group may include family members, friends, and caretakers of the sick and disabled who got jabbed.

“Putting this into context, when we think about what this means … the amount of care that is required to deal with people who are suffering from long-term effects … what we know is that this 300 million people take out another 300 million or more people because these are people who will not be able to be part of the contributing economy,” Martin said.

“They’re not going to be able to do the things they have historically done because they will be, in fact, involved in the near 24/7 care of the individuals who are actually in that other 300 million. So, we’re talking about 600 million people incapacitated.”

The latest news about the devastating impact of COVID injections on human health can be found at ChemicalViolence.com

So clearly these 300 million people haven't had a severe reaction yet.  When is the phantom timeframe that all of these time bombs go off?

Didn’t you read it? SOON!

He looked at the numbers! 

How soon is now?

benjs

static111 said:

Go Beavers said:

static111 said:

TJ25487 said:

Zod said:

I deem Covid19 officially over.   The company I work for removed the plastic shields on our desks last week.   The last remnants of the pandemic.

It is far from over my friend:

VACCINE FALLOUT: David Martin says best case scenario for covid jabs is “about 600 million people incapacitated”

Dr. David Martin spoke with Seth Holehouse recently about the number of people who either already are or will be incapacitated due to either receiving Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) “vaccines” personally or having to take care of someone they know who did and became injured – and the numbers are ugly.

Starting with the number three billion, which is a rough estimate for how many people around the world took a COVID injection or injections, Martin looked at which jab lots and batches were most harmful and which were least harmful. From that, he calculated that around 600 million people in a best-case scenario will soon be incapacitated – if they are not already incapacitated.

“If we start with the number three billion, and then we start looking at ‘what were these problematic lots and batches?’ which is the way I’ve looked at this thing from the standpoint from the way I look at the world, because I look at the world through the lens of risk management and risk transfer,” we arrive that this figure, Martin explained.

“Most people don’t know that my corporation is involved in risk management,” Martin added. “We happen to do financial risk management, but we are very intimately involved in the broader sector of what we think of as actuarial sciences that give rise to insurance.”

After looking at the numbers and evaluating the lots most associated with extremely high numbers of adverse reactions, Martin believes that the number of people worldwide who will lose, or already have lost, their ability to function as normal in society will be the equivalent of two United States populations combined.

“There’s been a lot of conversation about the fact that there are certain batches that had high degrees of problematic adverse events, and then certain batches that seemed to have no effect at all,” Martin explained.

“If you look at the number of problematic batches – you’re talking about seven to 15 percent, somewhere in that range – of all the batches … that had extremely severe adverse events … we’re talking about in the best case … we’re talking about permanent death and disability to 300 million people – that i the best case. That is the entire population of the United States distributed across the world – that is the number we’re talking about and that is the best case.”

Martin estimates that upwards of 300 million people around the world have personally succumbed to or been incapacitated due to having taken a COVID shot or shots. Such incapacitation includes long-term health problems such as stroke, paralysis, neurodegenerative problems, Alzheimer’s disease, and other things resulting in disability.

Another 300 million people at least will be taken out of the workforce and out of normal everyday life by the sheer fact that they will have to look after the other 300 million people. This incapacitated group may include family members, friends, and caretakers of the sick and disabled who got jabbed.

“Putting this into context, when we think about what this means … the amount of care that is required to deal with people who are suffering from long-term effects … what we know is that this 300 million people take out another 300 million or more people because these are people who will not be able to be part of the contributing economy,” Martin said.

“They’re not going to be able to do the things they have historically done because they will be, in fact, involved in the near 24/7 care of the individuals who are actually in that other 300 million. So, we’re talking about 600 million people incapacitated.”

The latest news about the devastating impact of COVID injections on human health can be found at ChemicalViolence.com

So clearly these 300 million people haven't had a severe reaction yet.  When is the phantom timeframe that all of these time bombs go off?

Didn’t you read it? SOON!

He looked at the numbers! 

How soon is now?

Now has past. But then will be now soon! 

Bentleyspop

JB16057

Bentleyspop said:

Actually, the greatest risk comes from the vaccinated.

mrussel1

JB16057 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Actually, the greatest risk comes from the vaccinated.

Oh right.. we're "shedding" something?  Do I have that correct?  

JB16057

mrussel1 said:

JB16057 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Actually, the greatest risk comes from the vaccinated.

Oh right.. we're "shedding" something?  Do I have that correct?  

From my personal experience, the only people I know that have gotten COVID in the last few months are the heavily vaccinated and boosted. 

mrussel1

JB16057 said:

mrussel1 said:

JB16057 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Actually, the greatest risk comes from the vaccinated.

Oh right.. we're "shedding" something?  Do I have that correct?  

From my personal experience, the only people I know that have gotten COVID in the last few months are the heavily vaccinated and boosted. 

I bet few people are vaccinated right now.  It wears out of your system.  I haven't had a vaccine in almost a year, so I would not be surprised to get it.  But at this point, the strains have mutated into something far less deadly.  

A girl that works for me called me two days ago and she told me she needed to work from home this week because she tested positive.  She felt fine but only tested because her neighbors tested positive and she was around them, so she did the responsible thing.  She hadn't received a vaccine since last fall.  So this isn't unusual.  

81% of Americans have received at least one dose at some point, so it stands to reason that most people you talk to have received a vaccine at some point. But they are no more protected (or barely) than someone who never got one.  This is all just logic here. 

Zod

mrussel1 said:

JB16057 said:

mrussel1 said:

JB16057 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Actually, the greatest risk comes from the vaccinated.

Oh right.. we're "shedding" something?  Do I have that correct?  

From my personal experience, the only people I know that have gotten COVID in the last few months are the heavily vaccinated and boosted. 

I bet few people are vaccinated right now.  It wears out of your system.  I haven't had a vaccine in almost a year, so I would not be surprised to get it.  But at this point, the strains have mutated into something far less deadly.  

A girl that works for me called me two days ago and she told me she needed to work from home this week because she tested positive.  She felt fine but only tested because her neighbors tested positive and she was around them, so she did the responsible thing.  She hadn't received a vaccine since last fall.  So this isn't unusual.  

81% of Americans have received at least one dose at some point, so it stands to reason that most people you talk to have received a vaccine at some point. But they are no more protected (or barely) than someone who never got one.  This is all just logic here. 

Is it possible they spent too much time focusing on antibody response, but t-cell memory was better then expected?

benjs

JB16057 said:

mrussel1 said:

JB16057 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Actually, the greatest risk comes from the vaccinated.

Oh right.. we're "shedding" something?  Do I have that correct?  

From my personal experience, the only people I know that have gotten COVID in the last few months are the heavily vaccinated and boosted. 

Have you ever heard of statistical significance? It’s the thing that makes me not give a shit about your anecdote.

23scidoo

JB16057 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Actually, the greatest risk comes from the vaccinated.

Get the vaccine,don't spread the virus, protect the elders..how good was it..

AW124797

mrussel1 said:

JB16057 said:

mrussel1 said:

JB16057 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Actually, the greatest risk comes from the vaccinated.

Oh right.. we're "shedding" something?  Do I have that correct?  

From my personal experience, the only people I know that have gotten COVID in the last few months are the heavily vaccinated and boosted. 

I bet few people are vaccinated right now.  It wears out of your system.  I haven't had a vaccine in almost a year, so I would not be surprised to get it.  But at this point, the strains have mutated into something far less deadly.  

A girl that works for me called me two days ago and she told me she needed to work from home this week because she tested positive.  She felt fine but only tested because her neighbors tested positive and she was around them, so she did the responsible thing.  She hadn't received a vaccine since last fall.  So this isn't unusual.  

81% of Americans have received at least one dose at some point, so it stands to reason that most people you talk to have received a vaccine at some point. But they are no more protected (or barely) than someone who never got one.  This is all just logic here. 

JB has a very good point. A higher number of COVID-19 vaccine doses received increases the risk of infection with COVID-19, according to a Cleveland Clinic study. Cleveland Clinic is ranked as the No. 2 hospital in the world.

https://academic.oup.com/ofid/article/10/6/ofad209/7131292

AW124797

cblock4life said:

benjs said:

23scidoo said:

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mickeyrat said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

benjs said:

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

benjs said:

AW124797 said:

benjs said:

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

Nothing new here..
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/inside-wuhan-lab-covid-pandemic-china-america-qhjwwwvm0

here we go..
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-biontech-covid-vaccine-to-face-damages-trial/a-65886978

also nothing new here..
https://nypost.com/2023/03/13/tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-us-grants-went-to-wuhan-labs/

64 million does in Germany and this woman sues because the vaccine caused her to suffer upper-body pain, swollen extremities, fatigue and sleeping disorder.

Sure, millions of deaths or this woman's "upper body pain".  This is a tough call.  

Trial my friend..ah, and you forget to mention she is a doctor, a scientist as you like to call..lol..
Any comments for your government money went to China's labs??.. Did Fauci knew that??..

You're completely missing the point. I don't care if she's Madonna or the Pope or a scientist - the fact remains, she's convinced that the vaccine did this to her, and she has no evidence to make that claim with. If she had evidence, she would take the next steps towards accountability - aka a lawsuit.

The fact remains? What are you talking about? BioNTech is facing hundreds of lawsuits in Germany and she is the first one. Completely missing the point is right.

I apologize - I made a snarky remark, and didn't realize that she had started a lawsuit. To that, I say great! Let's get a legal answer to whether this is their fault or not.

I'm sure you guys will completely acknowledge and accept the outcome of these suits which ever direction they rule. 

You made a snarky remark without reading the article. It's completely fair if our acknowledgment and acceptance is on par with your bias and ignorance. 

so you'll only accept the results if they come out in your favour. right on brand. 

No. I just spun it around to highlight the hypocrisy. It's amusing and sad. 

it's not hypocrisy. he admitted he missed a detail that was posted. that is not the same as saying what you said about acknowledgement and acceptance. 

Please. It's not "a detail." It's the main theme of that article. All you need to do is check the title. Evidently, he didn't bother. 

1. The original poster has not earned any scrutinizing of his content - as he doesn't scrutinize it before posting anyways.
2. I already said I didn't read it in enough detail - ready to move on? 
3. My bias is towards theories with evidence (i.e. facts), and while I try to remain ignorant of conspiracies, places like this make that difficult.
4. I ate my crow with respect to my pathetic reading and comprehension capacity, so now you've "won", so can we move on to my other question? If these lawsuits prove fault on behalf of BioNTech, etc., I'd eat more crow. If they don't, will you accept those results or just continue down the slippery eel path of a typical conspiracy theorist - heightening the acceptable burden of proof as it reaches your prior set of standards?

I'll move on after I add that I'm still certain you didn't read that article initially. You just checked few comments here and already presumed the lawsuit lady was full of shit. Also, please elaborate on theories with facts. How is POTENTIAL hospitalizations fantasy argument more factual than claiming something is ineffective after being infected 3 times with Covid despite 2 doses of covid vaccine and 3 boosters? And how is that a conspiracy if someone thinks the vaccine is futile after having Covid 3 times?

Let's use our brains a little, even giving your statements initial credibility:

1. The original vaccine was designed for the original strain, so like a flu vaccine, after mutation it is less effective.
2. Virus vaccines are not for the rest of your life.  It doesn't matter how many times you get one, the effectiveness wanes over time.  Getting 3 boosters over three years has nothing to do with the virus you did or did not get in year four (or even three).  

How is #1 helping you here? If you use your brain, would you take an outdated shot on four/five occasions for a strain that was long gone before its vaccine was rolled out? 

2. Again, let's use our brains here a little. For mickeyrat it lasted 3 months. It's a bit short, isn't it? 

to repeat, it was never supposed to prevent. politicians told you that. did the manufacturers?

 

The manufacturers most definitely told us the vaccines were around 95% effective at preventing transmission of Covid-19 in the early days of vaccine rollout. That was the story line at the time until evidence and mutations showed that it wasn't the case.

That's about right.  This CDC report shows that in real world trials (nursing homes), it was 75% effective against transmission.  Some places showed as high as 95%.  Once the Delta mutation took over, that went down to the 50's, but it was still highly effective against hospitalization and death.  Which to me, seems worthwhile considering how rare and insignificant the side effects were.  

In fairness, this information was from so called "scientists" and not my favorite You Tubers or goat girl on Twitter.  They are normally my 'go to' source. 

Punchline:

Both Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna mRNA vaccines were highly effective in preventing SARS-CoV-2 infection in nursing home residents early after vaccine introduction. However, the effectiveness among this population in recent months has been significantly lower. To prevent transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in nursing homes, these findings highlight the critical importance of COVID-19 vaccination of staff members, residents, and visitors and adherence to rigorous COVID-19 prevention strategies. An additional dose of COVID-19 vaccine might be considered for nursing home and long-term care facility residents to optimize a protective immune response

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e3.htm

You forgot all those..
''Nobody would be safe until is full vaccinate''
''This is the pantemic of the unvaccinate''
''100% safe and effective''..
short memory..

Where’s that proof that the vaccine is anything but safe? You keep talking about promoting safety, but you’ve yet to show anything conclusive that the vaccines are dangerous. Just lawsuits in progress and shadow figures that don’t get covered by mainstream media.

On the former - a lawsuit in progress means fuck all other than someone has logic based allegation. IT IS NOT PROOF OF ANYTHING!

On the latter, choose a conclusion: either the world is ALL in on the lie and are suppressing these concerns on ALL of their respective news networks; or there isn’t ample evidence to call it news and thus they don’t. 

Bravo benjs……most anti-vaccinators have put their tails between their legs and moved on…accepted they’re alive thanks to all of us who were vaccinated.  As I’ve said before, a simple thank you would suffice.  

Independent organization but probably in on the conspiracy (yeah right)

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations

🥱 bored with the conspiracy theories.  

Lolz
I love this thread. 

benjs

AW124797 said:

cblock4life said:

benjs said:

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

Poncier said:

mickeyrat said:

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

AW124797 said:

benjs said:

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

AW124797 said:

benjs said:

AW124797 said:

benjs said:

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

Nothing new here..
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/inside-wuhan-lab-covid-pandemic-china-america-qhjwwwvm0

here we go..
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-biontech-covid-vaccine-to-face-damages-trial/a-65886978

also nothing new here..
https://nypost.com/2023/03/13/tens-of-millions-of-dollars-in-us-grants-went-to-wuhan-labs/

64 million does in Germany and this woman sues because the vaccine caused her to suffer upper-body pain, swollen extremities, fatigue and sleeping disorder.

Sure, millions of deaths or this woman's "upper body pain".  This is a tough call.  

Trial my friend..ah, and you forget to mention she is a doctor, a scientist as you like to call..lol..
Any comments for your government money went to China's labs??.. Did Fauci knew that??..

You're completely missing the point. I don't care if she's Madonna or the Pope or a scientist - the fact remains, she's convinced that the vaccine did this to her, and she has no evidence to make that claim with. If she had evidence, she would take the next steps towards accountability - aka a lawsuit.

The fact remains? What are you talking about? BioNTech is facing hundreds of lawsuits in Germany and she is the first one. Completely missing the point is right.

I apologize - I made a snarky remark, and didn't realize that she had started a lawsuit. To that, I say great! Let's get a legal answer to whether this is their fault or not.

I'm sure you guys will completely acknowledge and accept the outcome of these suits which ever direction they rule. 

You made a snarky remark without reading the article. It's completely fair if our acknowledgment and acceptance is on par with your bias and ignorance. 

so you'll only accept the results if they come out in your favour. right on brand. 

No. I just spun it around to highlight the hypocrisy. It's amusing and sad. 

it's not hypocrisy. he admitted he missed a detail that was posted. that is not the same as saying what you said about acknowledgement and acceptance. 

Please. It's not "a detail." It's the main theme of that article. All you need to do is check the title. Evidently, he didn't bother. 

1. The original poster has not earned any scrutinizing of his content - as he doesn't scrutinize it before posting anyways.
2. I already said I didn't read it in enough detail - ready to move on? 
3. My bias is towards theories with evidence (i.e. facts), and while I try to remain ignorant of conspiracies, places like this make that difficult.
4. I ate my crow with respect to my pathetic reading and comprehension capacity, so now you've "won", so can we move on to my other question? If these lawsuits prove fault on behalf of BioNTech, etc., I'd eat more crow. If they don't, will you accept those results or just continue down the slippery eel path of a typical conspiracy theorist - heightening the acceptable burden of proof as it reaches your prior set of standards?

I'll move on after I add that I'm still certain you didn't read that article initially. You just checked few comments here and already presumed the lawsuit lady was full of shit. Also, please elaborate on theories with facts. How is POTENTIAL hospitalizations fantasy argument more factual than claiming something is ineffective after being infected 3 times with Covid despite 2 doses of covid vaccine and 3 boosters? And how is that a conspiracy if someone thinks the vaccine is futile after having Covid 3 times?

Let's use our brains a little, even giving your statements initial credibility:

1. The original vaccine was designed for the original strain, so like a flu vaccine, after mutation it is less effective.
2. Virus vaccines are not for the rest of your life.  It doesn't matter how many times you get one, the effectiveness wanes over time.  Getting 3 boosters over three years has nothing to do with the virus you did or did not get in year four (or even three).  

How is #1 helping you here? If you use your brain, would you take an outdated shot on four/five occasions for a strain that was long gone before its vaccine was rolled out? 

2. Again, let's use our brains here a little. For mickeyrat it lasted 3 months. It's a bit short, isn't it? 

to repeat, it was never supposed to prevent. politicians told you that. did the manufacturers?

 

The manufacturers most definitely told us the vaccines were around 95% effective at preventing transmission of Covid-19 in the early days of vaccine rollout. That was the story line at the time until evidence and mutations showed that it wasn't the case.

That's about right.  This CDC report shows that in real world trials (nursing homes), it was 75% effective against transmission.  Some places showed as high as 95%.  Once the Delta mutation took over, that went down to the 50's, but it was still highly effective against hospitalization and death.  Which to me, seems worthwhile considering how rare and insignificant the side effects were.  

In fairness, this information was from so called "scientists" and not my favorite You Tubers or goat girl on Twitter.  They are normally my 'go to' source. 

Punchline:

Both Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna mRNA vaccines were highly effective in preventing SARS-CoV-2 infection in nursing home residents early after vaccine introduction. However, the effectiveness among this population in recent months has been significantly lower. To prevent transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in nursing homes, these findings highlight the critical importance of COVID-19 vaccination of staff members, residents, and visitors and adherence to rigorous COVID-19 prevention strategies. An additional dose of COVID-19 vaccine might be considered for nursing home and long-term care facility residents to optimize a protective immune response

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e3.htm

You forgot all those..
''Nobody would be safe until is full vaccinate''
''This is the pantemic of the unvaccinate''
''100% safe and effective''..
short memory..

Where’s that proof that the vaccine is anything but safe? You keep talking about promoting safety, but you’ve yet to show anything conclusive that the vaccines are dangerous. Just lawsuits in progress and shadow figures that don’t get covered by mainstream media.

On the former - a lawsuit in progress means fuck all other than someone has logic based allegation. IT IS NOT PROOF OF ANYTHING!

On the latter, choose a conclusion: either the world is ALL in on the lie and are suppressing these concerns on ALL of their respective news networks; or there isn’t ample evidence to call it news and thus they don’t. 

Bravo benjs……most anti-vaccinators have put their tails between their legs and moved on…accepted they’re alive thanks to all of us who were vaccinated.  As I’ve said before, a simple thank you would suffice.  

Independent organization but probably in on the conspiracy (yeah right)

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations

🥱 bored with the conspiracy theories.  

Lolz
I love this thread. 

Lolz all you want. It’s telling that you guys just laugh and never respond with anything of merit. Typical trolls.

benjs

AW124797 said:

mrussel1 said:

JB16057 said:

mrussel1 said:

JB16057 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Actually, the greatest risk comes from the vaccinated.

Oh right.. we're "shedding" something?  Do I have that correct?  

From my personal experience, the only people I know that have gotten COVID in the last few months are the heavily vaccinated and boosted. 

I bet few people are vaccinated right now.  It wears out of your system.  I haven't had a vaccine in almost a year, so I would not be surprised to get it.  But at this point, the strains have mutated into something far less deadly.  

A girl that works for me called me two days ago and she told me she needed to work from home this week because she tested positive.  She felt fine but only tested because her neighbors tested positive and she was around them, so she did the responsible thing.  She hadn't received a vaccine since last fall.  So this isn't unusual.  

81% of Americans have received at least one dose at some point, so it stands to reason that most people you talk to have received a vaccine at some point. But they are no more protected (or barely) than someone who never got one.  This is all just logic here. 

JB has a very good point. A higher number of COVID-19 vaccine doses received increases the risk of infection with COVID-19, according to a Cleveland Clinic study. Cleveland Clinic is ranked as the No. 2 hospital in the world.

https://academic.oup.com/ofid/article/10/6/ofad209/7131292

Jesus, you’re like RFK Jr. You half-ass read an article that disproves your theory, and claim it proves you correct. Did you even read this? NOWHERE does it say that it increased the risk of infection - it said with later strains the REDUCTION OF RISK was less than earlier strains. That is NOT the same as increasing risk.