Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said Wednesday if he had young children now he would "probably" vaccinate them against measles—but he cautioned people against taking medical advice from him. (Photo: Andrew Harnik via Getty Images) https://trib.al/DxHVx1p
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25 seconds in and that all the facts I need. thanks for posting!
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Man, five years later and this debate continues to rage.
-- As noted above, millions -- most -- American adults have at least one comorbidity. My husband is a living kidney donor, so f--k him, right? He should have paused to think about the consequences before giving his dad a kidney and allowing him to live another six years? Honestly, I don't know what bothers me more: the fact that scientific literacy made NO advances during/ due to Covid or the fact that people failed to develop empathy or a sense of responsibility toward other humans.
-- Flattening the curve/ slowing the spread was intended to help prevent overload of the healthcare system, so if you *did* have severe Covid -- or a heart attack, stroke, appendicitis, or were in a car accident -- there would be a bed and doctors to care for you. I had to take my husband to the ER in early 2022 and the hospital still was so overwhelmed that the emergency department hallways were full of people in beds.
-- Herd immunity: Some people cannot get the vaccine. Others, such as transplant recipients, do not develop antibodies after being vaccinated. The rest of us should get vaccinated to make it less likely that we spread the disease to someone who has no natural defenses. Oh, those folks should just stay home, right? Guess what? They did. My father in law stayed home and watched church online. My dear friend, 85+ years old and all of 85 pounds, had breathing problems, so another person and I got her groceries for ten months, until she could get fully vaccinated.
I was fully vaccinated, got the booster, still got Covid, and was out of commission for nearly three weeks. I ran fifteen great miles a few days before I got sick and went on a brisk six-mile hike that same day. I also take 4-6 weeks to recover from a common cold, even with the Prevnar vaccine.
I'm exhausted and depressed by this thread. If the science won't sink in, maybe the part where, as a member of society, you have certain obligations, maybe that will. I've had strong libertarian tendencies my entire life. "Your rights end at the tip of my nose." -- I like that saying! But shit like cigarette smoke and Covid droplets enter my nose and make me sick, and I take issue with that. You do not have the right to make me or anyone else sick. I view availing oneself of vaccinations as a basic civil duty. Why can/should we not argue that anti-vaxxers should be isolated, instead? Seriously -- if you're determined to be an unrepentant plague vector, why should the rest of society be expected to accommodate you?
All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
....But shit like cigarette smoke and Covid droplets enter my nose and make me sick, and I take issue with that. You do not have the right to make me or anyone else sick. I view availing oneself of vaccinations as a basic civil duty. Why can/should we not argue that anti-vaxxers should be isolated, instead? Seriously -- if you're determined to be an unrepentant plague vector, why should the rest of society be expected to accommodate you?
Great point, but wouldn’t it be easier for anybody with severe nosophobia to go back to double masking and staying in the basement?
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Being immunocompromised is not a lifestyle choice, and suggesting that real health issues are phobias is callous, trollish, and grossly lacking in empathy.
Your argument also, more broadly, suggests that we should just capitulate to bullies -- wouldn't it be easier to just let the GA line cutters be on the rail in front of Mike? Isn't it so much easier to just let the flippers take entire boxes of posters at the merch tent? Instead of traffic laws, wouldn't it be easier to just yield right of way to the biggest vehicles? And if a few children, or a few thousand children, get mowed down by big-ass trucks in a hurry, well, isn't it easier to just tell kids to stay out of crosswalks if they're so scared of being hit by a truck?
Why do we even live in social groups? We do so to protect the more vulnerable among us -- children, the elderly, those who are sick or injured. This is such a fundamental concept that it boggles my mind that I need to spell it out.
All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
....But shit like cigarette smoke and Covid droplets enter my nose and make me sick, and I take issue with that. You do not have the right to make me or anyone else sick. I view availing oneself of vaccinations as a basic civil duty. Why can/should we not argue that anti-vaxxers should be isolated, instead? Seriously -- if you're determined to be an unrepentant plague vector, why should the rest of society be expected to accommodate you?
Great point, but wouldn’t it be easier for anybody with severe nosophobia to go back to double masking and staying in the basement?
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Big Pharma gets the stick for making things too expensive already, so why increase costs and expose people to risk for a placebo. The regulatory process already takes too long. Speed things up. Decrease costs.
love how these dolts don't understand the difference between correlation and causation.
Chronic illness in children has exploded from 13% to over 50% since 1986
The number of shots? From 3 in 1986 to 29 by age one — plus in utero doses
MAYBE LOOK AT THE CHEMICALS IN OUR FOOD AND THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR ENVIRONMENT BY COMPANIES WHO PROMOTE PROFIT OVER HEALTH REGULATION
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Its sedentary lifestyles, ultra processed foods and poor dietary choices and environmental impact. Also don’t discount we have the largest generation in 100 years aging and they grew up with smoking and have lead brains.
But sure it’s the shots and the stuff in it you didn’t know because you aren’t a scientist.
Its sedentary lifestyles, ultra processed foods and poor dietary choices and environmental impact. Also don’t discount we have the largest generation in 100 years aging and they grew up with smoking and have lead brains.
But sure it’s the shots and the stuff in it you didn’t know because you aren’t a scientist.
I also think people are a bunch of babies and claim every little ache or pain as a chronic illness.
Maybe it’s because of their sedentary lifestyle (aka being a fat fuck).
My personal take is, let the scientists do their thing. If you aren't a scientist, stfu.
I tend to agree with this statement, but scientists are people, and people are corruptible. Scientists give me better odds though. That said, while I eat McDonalds and thus am a hypocrite, I'm not going to take a shot or a pill unless it is critical to my health.
My personal take is, let the scientists do their thing. If you aren't a scientist, stfu.
I tend to agree with this statement, but scientists are people, and people are corruptible. Scientists give me better odds though. That said, while I eat McDonalds and thus am a hypocrite, I'm not going to take a shot or a pill unless it is critical to my health.
I just can’t buy the fact that 99.9% of the world’s scientists/experts/etc were all bought and/or stupid and/or sheep. But the minuscule few are the ones to trust.
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My personal take is, let the scientists do their thing. If you aren't a scientist, stfu.
I tend to agree with this statement, but scientists are people, and people are corruptible. Scientists give me better odds though. That said, while I eat McDonalds and thus am a hypocrite, I'm not going to take a shot or a pill unless it is critical to my health.
So when the unit doesn't work as well as it used to, you'll just retire from that activity?
My personal take is, let the scientists do their thing. If you aren't a scientist, stfu.
I tend to agree with this statement, but scientists are people, and people are corruptible. Scientists give me better odds though. That said, while I eat McDonalds and thus am a hypocrite, I'm not going to take a shot or a pill unless it is critical to my health.
So when the unit doesn't work as well as it used to, you'll just retire from that activity?
Haha
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My personal take is, let the scientists do their thing. If you aren't a scientist, stfu.
I tend to agree with this statement, but scientists are people, and people are corruptible. Scientists give me better odds though. That said, while I eat McDonalds and thus am a hypocrite, I'm not going to take a shot or a pill unless it is critical to my health.
I just can’t buy the fact that 99.9% of the world’s scientists/experts/etc were all bought and/or stupid and/or sheep. But the minuscule few are the ones to trust.
Many advanced nations treated COVID vaccines differently. The U.S. recommended vaccines for kids while other nations did not (Norway for example). So are we trust US scientists? Norwegian scientists? The answer I think is to make a reasonable decision yourself. For me, if my kid had a very low chance of being sick from Covid, I am not going to vaccinate. Measles? Polio? Hell yeah I would vaccinate as those things are very likely to do harm.
Wasn’t J&J’s vaccine pulled as unsafe?
The FDA allows all sorts of harmful stuff to be included in our food in the U.S. Europe has banned many of these substances. Why? Lobbyists in the US is my thought. Money and power can corrupt anyone.
My personal take is, let the scientists do their thing. If you aren't a scientist, stfu.
I tend to agree with this statement, but scientists are people, and people are corruptible. Scientists give me better odds though. That said, while I eat McDonalds and thus am a hypocrite, I'm not going to take a shot or a pill unless it is critical to my health.
So when the unit doesn't work as well as it used to, you'll just retire from that activity?
Haha. I eat McDonalds because it tastes good despite the harmful effects. The blue pill provides a welcome effect. Both examples have pros and cons. Unless I think I would get really sick from Covid (I don’t), the vaccine doesn’t give me a big benefit.
My personal take is, let the scientists do their thing. If you aren't a scientist, stfu.
I tend to agree with this statement, but scientists are people, and people are corruptible. Scientists give me better odds though. That said, while I eat McDonalds and thus am a hypocrite, I'm not going to take a shot or a pill unless it is critical to my health.
So when the unit doesn't work as well as it used to, you'll just retire from that activity?
Haha. I eat McDonalds because it tastes good despite the harmful effects. The blue pill provides a welcome effect. Both examples have pros and cons. Unless I think I would get really sick from Covid (I don’t), the vaccine doesn’t give me a big benefit.
What happened to your taste buds you poor poor soul.
My personal take is, let the scientists do their thing. If you aren't a scientist, stfu.
I tend to agree with this statement, but scientists are people, and people are corruptible. Scientists give me better odds though. That said, while I eat McDonalds and thus am a hypocrite, I'm not going to take a shot or a pill unless it is critical to my health.
I just can’t buy the fact that 99.9% of the world’s scientists/experts/etc were all bought and/or stupid and/or sheep. But the minuscule few are the ones to trust.
Many advanced nations treated COVID vaccines differently. The U.S. recommended vaccines for kids while other nations did not (Norway for example). So are we trust US scientists? Norwegian scientists? The answer I think is to make a reasonable decision yourself. For me, if my kid had a very low chance of being sick from Covid, I am not going to vaccinate. Measles? Polio? Hell yeah I would vaccinate as those things are very likely to do harm.
Wasn’t J&J’s vaccine pulled as unsafe?
The FDA allows all sorts of harmful stuff to be included in our food in the U.S. Europe has banned many of these substances. Why? Lobbyists in the US is my thought. Money and power can corrupt anyone.
Absolutely agree. We made the decision to vaccinate as one of our daughters is compromised. And I have a co-morbidity.
Now that covid has evolved to basically the common cold, I don’t bother with the boosters. I’ve had covid twice to my knowledge and one of those times it was so mild I was shocked I tested positive.
And yeah, seriously fuck the FDA.
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My personal take is, let the scientists do their thing. If you aren't a scientist, stfu.
I tend to agree with this statement, but scientists are people, and people are corruptible. Scientists give me better odds though. That said, while I eat McDonalds and thus am a hypocrite, I'm not going to take a shot or a pill unless it is critical to my health.
So when the unit doesn't work as well as it used to, you'll just retire from that activity?
Haha. I eat McDonalds because it tastes good despite the harmful effects. The blue pill provides a welcome effect. Both examples have pros and cons. Unless I think I would get really sick from Covid (I don’t), the vaccine doesn’t give me a big benefit.
What happened to your taste buds you poor poor soul.
Covid killed mine, sense of smell too. Nothing tastes the same anymore. Can't smell weed or cigarettes anymore which is a blessing For the record I got the first few jabs and boosters, but haven't had any in 3+ years.
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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Scientists: They then proceed to tell you it and put it on the record.
Chronic illness in children has exploded from 13% to over 50% since 1986
The number of shots? From 3 in 1986 to 29 by age one — plus in utero doses
MAYBE LOOK AT THE CHEMICALS IN OUR FOOD AND THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR ENVIRONMENT BY COMPANIES WHO PROMOTE PROFIT OVER HEALTH REGULATION
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