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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,292
    Still struggling from the last vax I got on Thursday.   Three days, good grief.  :s
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,194
    brianlux said:
    Still struggling from the last vax I got on Thursday.   Three days, good grief.  :s
    Maybe you contracted covid as well?
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,292
    OnWis97 said:
    brianlux said:
    Still struggling from the last vax I got on Thursday.   Three days, good grief.  :s
    Maybe you contracted covid as well?

    I don't think so but will test before going to see family later this week just to be sure.  Doing better today so hopefully "out of the woods".
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,268
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    mickeyrat said:
    upgrading the ole 5g microchip in the am....
    Hope all goes well.  Just remember not to go too close to the microwave. 
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,194
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    upgrading the ole 5g microchip in the am....
    Hurry up. I'm losing the old connection and I want to monitor your...
    ...uh, nevermind.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,337
    See? The jab doesn’t work and it kills.

    1,500 Americans dying from COVID each week despite vaccines, treatments

    More than three years into the pandemic, hundreds of Americans are still dying from COVID-19 every week.

    For the week ending Dec. 9, the last week of complete data, there were 1,614 deaths from COVID, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). The last four weeks of complete data show an average of 1,488 weekly deaths.

    By comparison, there were 163 weekly deaths from the flu for the week ending Dec. 9, according to CDC data.

    MORE: JN.1 variant makes up a majority of COVID cases in the US. Here's what to know

    While high, these COVID death figures are still lower than the high of 25,974 deaths recorded the week ending Jan. 9, 2021, as well as weekly deaths seen in previous winters, CDC data shows.

    The current "weekly rate of COVID mortality is similar to what we were getting per day at [the worst] parts of the pandemic. So, proportionally, we're in a completely different place than where we were, thankfully," Dr. Cameron Wolfe, a professor of infectious diseases at Duke University in North Carolina, told ABC News. "But there's still a pretty significant mortality; 1,500 patients dying every week is unacceptable, frankly."

    Experts said there are several reasons why people might still be dying from the virus, including not enough people accessing treatments or getting vaccinated as well as waning immunity.

    Additionally, if more people get sick, even if in lesser numbers than in previous waves, it will naturally lead to more people becoming hospitalized and, in turn, dying.

    "We do have very good vaccines that [researchers] have been able to adjust as the variants have changed and very good treatment options that have been shown to decrease the risk of hospitalization as well as deaths," Dr. Shivanjali Shankaran, an associate professor of infectious diseases at Rush University Medical Center in Chicago, told ABC News.

    However, if we're not accessing those particular tools, then having them doesn't sort of make any difference," Shankaran added.

    Too few people getting vaccinated

    As of Jan. 5, just 19.4% of adults aged 18 and older and 8% of children have received the updated COVID vaccine, CDC data shows. Additionally, just 38% of adults aged 65 and older, who are at higher risk of severe illness, have been vaccinated.

    MORE: New York City public hospitals bring back mask mandates in certain areas 

    The updated vaccine is targeted against variants that are related to XBB, an offshoot of the omicron variant.

    Currently, JN.1, a descendant of BA.2.86 -- which is itself descended from XBB -- makes up an estimated 61.6% of U.S. COVID cases, CDC data shows.

    Although the CDC has suggested JN.1 may be more transmissible or better at evading the immune system than other variants, there is no evidence that available vaccines don't work.

    The longer someone has gone since their last vaccine, or their most recent infection for that matter, the more likely their COVID breakthrough would occur and the more likely it's going to be severe enough that they land in hospital" and potentially die, Wolfe said.

    Experts said there may a level of vaccine fatigue and complacency in the population with people not getting the updated vaccine because they don't feel like they need it after getting the original vaccine and then subsequent boosters. This, however, doesn't account for waning immunity.

    immunity.

    "[Vaccines] don't retain their memory as effectively as we might like, so if you were vaccinated short of more than 12 months ago, your chances of maintaining really good memory again from that vaccine is probably pretty poor at this point," Wolfe said.

    For a high-risk person, this increases their chance of severe illness if they get infected. For lower risk people, this increases the risk of them spreading the virus to more at-risk groups, he added.

    Americans not accessing treatments

    COVID-19 treatments have evolved since the early days of the pandemic with antiviral pills available, particularly Paxlovid from Pfizer.

    Paxlovid is three pills given twice daily for five days for those at high risk of severe illness.  Initial clinical trial data showed Pfizer's pill reduced the risk of hospitalization and death for unvaccinated patients at risk of severe illness who began treatment within three days of symptoms by nearly 90%. More recent studies including omicron strains of the virus and vaccinated patients have upheld similar results showing the treatment cut the risk of hospitalization and death in half.

    It's been a relatively underused treatment with some reports suggesting that in some states it's prescribed in less than 25% of cases -- and it may be another reason why deaths have increased.

    Experts said there may be several factors at play.

    "It's a combination of misunderstanding about who's eligible for Paxlovid, a misunderstanding about whether Paxlovid works and then sometimes trouble getting prescriptions," Dr. Megan Ranney, dean of the Yale School of Public Health, told ABC News. "Because we know, for example, that Paxlovid use is much lower in rural areas, as well as among those who have lower educational levels, so I suspect for Paxlovid that there is this kind of element of access as well."

    Physicians may also feel hesitant to prescribe Paxlovid due to concerns about how the medication interacts with other prescription drugs or even due to instance of people experiencing a Paxlovid rebound, which is a recurrence of COVID symptoms.

    The data on rebound is still being figured out, but what's clear is that whether or not you get a rebound with Paxlovid, it absolutely decreases risk of hospitalization and death," Ranney said.

    More infections mean more severe illnesses

    Another reason for the increase is the sheer fact that more people getting sick naturally means more hospitalizations and more deaths, according to experts.

    "It's nothing obviously like the omicron wave where we had just millions and millions of people getting sick, and because of that many more people going to the hospital and dying, but yeah, as the total number of people who are infected increases, then you are going to have a similar increase in the number of people who need hospitalization," Shankaran said.

    For those who may be elderly or immunocompromised, even a case of mild COVID-19 can result in severe illness and even death.

    Experts said the messaging to the public is the same as in earlier phases of the pandemic and advise that Americans remain diligent.

    "The message is to be aware of your own risk factors, be aware of your own symptoms, recognize that vaccines provide protection, not only against getting sick but severity of sickness," Wolfe said. "That's the same message that we try and send for flu and RSV each year, it's no different."


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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,194
    They're not dying from the jab. They're dying with the jab.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,337
    Keep following this clown and believing in his cult. Please.

    Use of anti-malaria drug Trump claimed cured Covid increased chances of death, study finds

    Study calculated that there was an 11% increase in mortality associated with cases involving the use of hydroxychloroquine

    People who took an anti-malaria treatment that Donald Trump touted as a cure for Covid-19 in the early days of the pandemic and waning days of his presidency were 11% more likely to die from the virus, according to a new scientific study.

    The study’s authors – who published their findings in the peer-reviewed Biomedicine & Pharmacotherapy journal – also estimated that nearly 17,000 people in six different countries, including the US, died after contracting Covid-19 and taking the antimalarial hydroxychloroquine.

    Doctors who prescribed hydroxychloroquine to treat Covid-19 at the height of activity restrictions meant to slow the spread of the virus did so off-label and without evidence that there was any clinical benefit, as the authors of the new study noted. The study’s conclusions “illustrate the hazard of drug repurposing with low-level evidence for the management of future pandemics”, its authors added.

    A meta-analysis of randomized trials produced the findings in the study released by Biomedicine & Pharmacotherapy, a 67-year-old journal edited by DM Townsend of the Medical University of South Carolina.

    The study’s authors said they used public databases to establish the number of Covid-19 patients who were hospitalized during the early days of the pandemic. They said they then systematically reviewed 44 cohort studies to calculate that there was an 11% increase in mortality associated with cases involving the use of hydroxychloroquine, along with about 16,990 in-hospital deaths in the US, Belgium, France, Italy, Spain and Turkey.

    And the regulatory agency also clarified that the medication had only been approved to treat malaria, lupus and rheumatoid arthritis.

    The then-president later dismissed an early study which showed hydroxychloroquine was an ineffective Covid-19 treatment as a “Trump enemy statement”.

    “They were giving it to people that were … almost dead,” Trump said at one point as the White House claimed he himself was taking the medication prophylactically.

    Trump ultimately tested positive for Covid-19 on 26 September 2020 and was hospitalized within days. He recovered after doctors treated him with a new antibody cocktail which was nearly impossible for the general public to access.

    Weeks later, Trump lost his bid for a second term in the Oval Office to Joe Biden. He is now facing 91 pending criminal charges for attempting to subvert his electoral defeat, illegally retaining government secrets, and hush-money payments to an adult film actor who has alleged an extramarital sexual encounter with him.

    Trump nonetheless is leading the race for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, and polls have suggested a rematch with Biden would be competitive.

    Before the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention stopped keeping track in May, more than 1.1 million people had died from Covid-19 in the US, and nearly 105m cases had been reported, according to officials.

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  • ZodZod Posts: 10,657
    OnWis97 said:
    They're not dying from the jab. They're dying with the jab.
    I mean that article sort of leaves out some context.  People are dying from it, but its much more widespread than in jan 2021 when mortalities were peaking.   Vaccine's and previous infection did help, or the #'s would be way higher.

    I also tend to think the Vaccine's are ok but not great.  They don't really prevent you from getting ticket, but they do help reduce symptoms.  It doesn't help for long, because the impact starts waning 6 months in.

    It's not like a measles vaccine that can lost a long time, it's pretty effective, and you need 1 shot.   I do have bad thoughts like.   The way they half-assed work means people need to keep getting them, which means the companies that make them keep making $$, where if they developed a more effective vaccine the money train would stop.  It makes you wonder when you think about how modern vaccines don't seem as effective as vaccines made for other illness decades ago.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,268
    Zod said:
    OnWis97 said:
    They're not dying from the jab. They're dying with the jab.
    I mean that article sort of leaves out some context.  People are dying from it, but its much more widespread than in jan 2021 when mortalities were peaking.   Vaccine's and previous infection did help, or the #'s would be way higher.

    I also tend to think the Vaccine's are ok but not great.  They don't really prevent you from getting ticket, but they do help reduce symptoms.  It doesn't help for long, because the impact starts waning 6 months in.

    It's not like a measles vaccine that can lost a long time, it's pretty effective, and you need 1 shot.   I do have bad thoughts like.   The way they half-assed work means people need to keep getting them, which means the companies that make them keep making $$, where if they developed a more effective vaccine the money train would stop.  It makes you wonder when you think about how modern vaccines don't seem as effective as vaccines made for other illness decades ago.

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    Lol Dr...true or not??..
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    23scidoo said:
    Lol Dr...true or not??..
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    Guidelines are very scary.  So which ones exactly? 
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,194
    I'm sure the 6 feet thing was less-than-precise. I don't necessarily think that means we needed to be breaking fire codes at clubs and packing ourselves into places like sardeans. 

    I mean, COVID is airborne so should we walk-back the messages promoting hand-washing?
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,171
    OnWis97 said:
    I'm sure the 6 feet thing was less-than-precise. I don't necessarily think that means we needed to be breaking fire codes at clubs and packing ourselves into places like sardeans. 

    I mean, COVID is airborne so should we walk-back the messages promoting hand-washing?
    Fauci lied about the handwashing thing because he’s been to public restrooms and he saw a good opportunity to go after the take a dump but don’t wash my hand crowd. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,814
    OnWis97 said:
    I'm sure the 6 feet thing was less-than-precise. I don't necessarily think that means we needed to be breaking fire codes at clubs and packing ourselves into places like sardeans. 

    I mean, COVID is airborne so should we walk-back the messages promoting hand-washing?
    Fauci lied about the handwashing thing because he’s been to public restrooms and he saw a good opportunity to go after the take a dump but don’t wash my hand crowd. 
    He's in bed with Big Soap
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,194
    edited January 18
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I'm sure the 6 feet thing was less-than-precise. I don't necessarily think that means we needed to be breaking fire codes at clubs and packing ourselves into places like sardines. 

    I mean, COVID is airborne so should we walk-back the messages promoting hand-washing?
    Fauci lied about the handwashing thing because he’s been to public restrooms and he saw a good opportunity to go after the take a dump but don’t wash my hand crowd. 
    He's in bed with Big Soap
    There's no question that if anyone in the federal government cared one iota about uncovering corruption, they'd be able to find the Softsoap and Purell money trails into Fauci's bank account in about ten minutes. Wake up sheeple!
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,814
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I'm sure the 6 feet thing was less-than-precise. I don't necessarily think that means we needed to be breaking fire codes at clubs and packing ourselves into places like sardines. 

    I mean, COVID is airborne so should we walk-back the messages promoting hand-washing?
    Fauci lied about the handwashing thing because he’s been to public restrooms and he saw a good opportunity to go after the take a dump but don’t wash my hand crowd. 
    He's in bed with Big Soap
    There's no question that if anyone in the federal government cared one iota about uncovering corruption, they'd be able to find the Softsoap and Purell money trails into Fauci's bank account in about ten minutes. Wake up sheeple!
    There you go again.. blaming bit players while protecting the Epstein of the deep soap state.  

    But sure, keep protecting the criminals. 


  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 17,054
    OnWis97 said:
    I'm sure the 6 feet thing was less-than-precise. I don't necessarily think that means we needed to be breaking fire codes at clubs and packing ourselves into places like sardeans. 

    I mean, COVID is airborne so should we walk-back the messages promoting hand-washing?
    Fauci lied about the handwashing thing because he’s been to public restrooms and he saw a good opportunity to go after the take a dump but don’t wash my hand crowd. 

    This weekend we rock Portland
  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 14,133
    I would say hand washing and distance make perfect sense. No brainer
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