It always comes around to blaming the immigrants. Always.
No one here is blaming immigrants....
Where's your outrage about the illegal immigrants sending their kids off to school without their vaccinations? If I don't get to use the benefits of society as an American citizen paying taxes, illegal immigrants shouldn't be getting those benefits either. It's only fair, right?
That isn't blaming immigrants.
What is it then?
How is this blaming immigrants?
Where's your outrage about the illegal immigrants sending their kids off to school without their vaccinations? If I don't get to use the benefits of society as an American citizen paying taxes, illegal immigrants shouldn't be getting those benefits either. It's only fair, right?
And as a parent I decide not you. There is a level of responsibility that once you have children you have that non parents will never ever understand or have.
Do you only have a responsibility to your children as a parent or do you also have a responsibility to society as well? Vaccines or otherwise?
Children as a parent comes before society but only parents would know this.....
That's fine, but don't expect to use all of the benefits of the society in that case. And yes, I have three kids.
Where's your outrage about the illegal immigrants sending their kids off to school without their vaccinations? If I don't get to use the benefits of society as an American citizen paying taxes, illegal immigrants shouldn't be getting those benefits either. It's only fair, right?
Where is that a thing? If it's true, then yes I would be very much against any student going to school without the vaccinations. Please share.
WASHINGTON (TND) — When returning to the classroom most have to be vaccinated but New York struggling to deal with an influx of migrant children is now allowing them to attend school and they don't need to have their paperwork on vaccinations.
Thanks. 100% they should not be allowed in school until vaccinated. This jeopardizes the health of the whole community
But American children don't have to be vaccinated to go to school so why should immigrant children?
Not true. NY requires vaccinations.
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And as a parent I decide not you. There is a level of responsibility that once you have children you have that non parents will never ever understand or have.
Do you only have a responsibility to your children as a parent or do you also have a responsibility to society as well? Vaccines or otherwise?
Children as a parent comes before society but only parents would know this.....
That's fine, but don't expect to use all of the benefits of the society in that case. And yes, I have three kids.
Where's your outrage about the illegal immigrants sending their kids off to school without their vaccinations? If I don't get to use the benefits of society as an American citizen paying taxes, illegal immigrants shouldn't be getting those benefits either. It's only fair, right?
Where is that a thing? If it's true, then yes I would be very much against any student going to school without the vaccinations. Please share.
WASHINGTON (TND) — When returning to the classroom most have to be vaccinated but New York struggling to deal with an influx of migrant children is now allowing them to attend school and they don't need to have their paperwork on vaccinations.
Thanks. 100% they should not be allowed in school until vaccinated. This jeopardizes the health of the whole community
But American children don't have to be vaccinated to go to school so why should immigrant children?
Not true. NY requires vaccinations.
State or just the city?
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And as a parent I decide not you. There is a level of responsibility that once you have children you have that non parents will never ever understand or have.
Do you only have a responsibility to your children as a parent or do you also have a responsibility to society as well? Vaccines or otherwise?
Children as a parent comes before society but only parents would know this.....
ohhh fan fucking tastic!!!!
does this mean ONLY parents should fund s hooks through property taxes then? I want a refund......
Are you going to pay back what was spent on you to go to school as a child then?
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And as a parent I decide not you. There is a level of responsibility that once you have children you have that non parents will never ever understand or have.
Do you only have a responsibility to your children as a parent or do you also have a responsibility to society as well? Vaccines or otherwise?
Children as a parent comes before society but only parents would know this.....
ohhh fan fucking tastic!!!!
does this mean ONLY parents should fund s hooks through property taxes then? I want a refund......
Are you going to pay back what was spent on you to go to school as a child then?
ummm my parents paid property taxes.
What? You didn’t have a job in second grade and pull yerself up by yer bootstraps? Freeloader, eh? Yer what’s wrong with ‘Murica. Go back to where you came from. We can’t afford youse.
And as a parent I decide not you. There is a level of responsibility that once you have children you have that non parents will never ever understand or have.
Do you only have a responsibility to your children as a parent or do you also have a responsibility to society as well? Vaccines or otherwise?
Children as a parent comes before society but only parents would know this.....
ohhh fan fucking tastic!!!!
does this mean ONLY parents should fund s hooks through property taxes then? I want a refund......
Are you going to pay back what was spent on you to go to school as a child then?
ummm my parents paid property taxes.
What? You didn’t have a job in second grade and pull yerself up by yer bootstraps? Freeloader, eh? Yer what’s wrong with ‘Murica. Go back to where you came from. We can’t afford youse.
Well look man, all y'all are a bunch o' pencil necks. When I was in elementary school, we got up a 5 AM, milked the cows and feed the chickens, walked 10 miles to school- both ways- and worked in the coal mines until 11 PM. Amurca is gotten itself weak, man, WEAK!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
And as a parent I decide not you. There is a level of responsibility that once you have children you have that non parents will never ever understand or have.
Do you only have a responsibility to your children as a parent or do you also have a responsibility to society as well? Vaccines or otherwise?
Children as a parent comes before society but only parents would know this.....
ohhh fan fucking tastic!!!!
does this mean ONLY parents should fund s hooks through property taxes then? I want a refund......
Are you going to pay back what was spent on you to go to school as a child then?
ummm my parents paid property taxes.
What? You didn’t have a job in second grade and pull yerself up by yer bootstraps? Freeloader, eh? Yer what’s wrong with ‘Murica. Go back to where you came from. We can’t afford youse.
Well look man, all y'all are a bunch o' pencil necks. When I was in elementary school, we got up a 5 AM, milked the cows and feed the chickens, walked 10 miles to school- both ways- and worked in the coal mines until 11 PM. Amurca is gotten itself weak, man, WEAK!
And as a parent I decide not you. There is a level of responsibility that once you have children you have that non parents will never ever understand or have.
Do you only have a responsibility to your children as a parent or do you also have a responsibility to society as well? Vaccines or otherwise?
Children as a parent comes before society but only parents would know this.....
That's fine, but don't expect to use all of the benefits of the society in that case. And yes, I have three kids.
Where's your outrage about the illegal immigrants sending their kids off to school without their vaccinations? If I don't get to use the benefits of society as an American citizen paying taxes, illegal immigrants shouldn't be getting those benefits either. It's only fair, right?
Where is that a thing? If it's true, then yes I would be very much against any student going to school without the vaccinations. Please share.
WASHINGTON (TND) — When returning to the classroom most have to be vaccinated but New York struggling to deal with an influx of migrant children is now allowing them to attend school and they don't need to have their paperwork on vaccinations.
Thanks. 100% they should not be allowed in school until vaccinated. This jeopardizes the health of the whole community
But American children don't have to be vaccinated to go to school so why should immigrant children?
Not true. NY requires vaccinations.
State or just the city?
State. Religious exemptions aren't accepted since 2019.
And as a parent I decide not you. There is a level of responsibility that once you have children you have that non parents will never ever understand or have.
Do you only have a responsibility to your children as a parent or do you also have a responsibility to society as well? Vaccines or otherwise?
Children as a parent comes before society but only parents would know this.....
That's fine, but don't expect to use all of the benefits of the society in that case. And yes, I have three kids.
Where's your outrage about the illegal immigrants sending their kids off to school without their vaccinations? If I don't get to use the benefits of society as an American citizen paying taxes, illegal immigrants shouldn't be getting those benefits either. It's only fair, right?
Where is that a thing? If it's true, then yes I would be very much against any student going to school without the vaccinations. Please share.
WASHINGTON (TND) — When returning to the classroom most have to be vaccinated but New York struggling to deal with an influx of migrant children is now allowing them to attend school and they don't need to have their paperwork on vaccinations.
Thanks. 100% they should not be allowed in school until vaccinated. This jeopardizes the health of the whole community
But American children don't have to be vaccinated to go to school so why should immigrant children?
They are where I live. It's definitely a state/ local issue, not federal.
And as a parent I decide not you. There is a level of responsibility that once you have children you have that non parents will never ever understand or have.
Do you only have a responsibility to your children as a parent or do you also have a responsibility to society as well? Vaccines or otherwise?
Children as a parent comes before society but only parents would know this.....
That's fine, but don't expect to use all of the benefits of the society in that case. And yes, I have three kids.
Where's your outrage about the illegal immigrants sending their kids off to school without their vaccinations? If I don't get to use the benefits of society as an American citizen paying taxes, illegal immigrants shouldn't be getting those benefits either. It's only fair, right?
Where is that a thing? If it's true, then yes I would be very much against any student going to school without the vaccinations. Please share.
WASHINGTON (TND) — When returning to the classroom most have to be vaccinated but New York struggling to deal with an influx of migrant children is now allowing them to attend school and they don't need to have their paperwork on vaccinations.
Thanks. 100% they should not be allowed in school until vaccinated. This jeopardizes the health of the whole community
But American children don't have to be vaccinated to go to school so why should immigrant children?
They are where I live. It's definitely a state/ local issue, not federal.
Looks like only 6 states require this, the rest allow varying dissent on this issue. Interesting that Religious exemptions are allowed in some states but personal beliefs aren't.
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And as a parent I decide not you. There is a level of responsibility that once you have children you have that non parents will never ever understand or have.
Do you only have a responsibility to your children as a parent or do you also have a responsibility to society as well? Vaccines or otherwise?
Children as a parent comes before society but only parents would know this.....
ohhh fan fucking tastic!!!!
does this mean ONLY parents should fund s hooks through property taxes then? I want a refund......
Are you going to pay back what was spent on you to go to school as a child then?
ummm my parents paid property taxes.
What? You didn’t have a job in second grade and pull yerself up by yer bootstraps? Freeloader, eh? Yer what’s wrong with ‘Murica. Go back to where you came from. We can’t afford youse.
Well look man, all y'all are a bunch o' pencil necks. When I was in elementary school, we got up a 5 AM, milked the cows and feed the chickens, walked 10 miles to school- both ways- and worked in the coal mines until 11 PM. Amurca is gotten itself weak, man, WEAK!
But I bet you had shoes, eh? Talk about weak.
Haha! Well, it's true, I have to admit it. Kind of stylish too!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Someone check my math. 8 billion people in the world. 13 billion shots administered. If I use two shots and a booster that would be about 4 billion people vaccinated. I personally think that number is high and it's probably more like 2 billion people that got initial 2 and multiple boosters. Here's the math part. If 4 billion people are vaccinated and we end up having a 1% adverse event rate leading to death how many people could the vaccine have the potential to kill? Hint: It's 5x greater than the current covid deaths worldwide total of 7 million.
Someone check my math. 8 billion people in the world. 13 billion shots administered. If I use two shots and a booster that would be about 4 billion people vaccinated. I personally think that number is high and it's probably more like 2 billion people that got initial 2 and multiple boosters. Here's the math part. If 4 billion people are vaccinated and we end up having a 1% adverse event rate leading to death how many people could the vaccine have the potential to kill? Hint: It's 5x greater than the current covid deaths worldwide total of 7 million.
Where are you getting an idea of a 1% adverse event rate, and where are you getting an idea of a 1% adverse event rate leading to death. If they're just hypothetical, then you're just fear-mongering.
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Someone check my math. 8 billion people in the world. 13 billion shots administered. If I use two shots and a booster that would be about 4 billion people vaccinated. I personally think that number is high and it's probably more like 2 billion people that got initial 2 and multiple boosters. Here's the math part. If 4 billion people are vaccinated and we end up having a 1% adverse event rate leading to death how many people could the vaccine have the potential to kill? Hint: It's 5x greater than the current covid deaths worldwide total of 7 million.
Where are you getting an idea of a 1% adverse event rate, and where are you getting an idea of a 1% adverse event rate leading to death. If they're just hypothetical, then you're just fear-mongering.
If Evel K were right, then I must be quite lucky because between myself and everyone I know well and the people they know, I don't know of or heard of a single soul- surely not one out of a hundred- who have had severe adverse affects due to the vaccination, let alone died from it, let alone one out of a thousand even.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Someone check my math. 8 billion people in the world. 13 billion shots administered. If I use two shots and a booster that would be about 4 billion people vaccinated. I personally think that number is high and it's probably more like 2 billion people that got initial 2 and multiple boosters. Here's the math part. If 4 billion people are vaccinated and we end up having a 1% adverse event rate leading to death how many people could the vaccine have the potential to kill? Hint: It's 5x greater than the current covid deaths worldwide total of 7 million.
Where are you getting an idea of a 1% adverse event rate, and where are you getting an idea of a 1% adverse event rate leading to death. If they're just hypothetical, then you're just fear-mongering.
Yes but imagine if that number is now 2%! It is so dangerous, that every time I type it, the invented number increases. It's just math, man.
Someone check my math. 8 billion people in the world. 13 billion shots administered. If I use two shots and a booster that would be about 4 billion people vaccinated. I personally think that number is high and it's probably more like 2 billion people that got initial 2 and multiple boosters. Here's the math part. If 4 billion people are vaccinated and we end up having a 1% adverse event rate leading to death how many people could the vaccine have the potential to kill? Hint: It's 5x greater than the current covid deaths worldwide total of 7 million.
“we end up having a 1% adverse event rate leading to death”
If I had a kid I wouldn’t give it a vaccine for something that statistically won’t be an issue. I did the original C19 vax and boosters but done with it at this point unless required too in order to travel.
If you had an elderly or immunocompromised person (someone going through chemo as an example) living in the house, would you give the child a vaccine?
I would need to know if the vaccine has any impact on the kid’s ability to catch the virus and spread it. My understanding is the vaccines don’t prevent you from catching it.
I think my answer would be no.
When your symptoms are lighter, you are less contagious. You sneeze less,, have lower viral load, less mucus. So the only way that it would not make your child less contagious is if the the vaccine literally did nothing.
The reason I bring this up is that reason that schools closed was not directly about the child being at risk. It was the teachers, staff and families that were at a greater risk.
If I were a parent, I wouldn’t like being told to inject something into my kid while they are still developing because they might catch something and might spread it. I am not anti-pharma, but am anti taking a drug that isn’t necessary. Not an easy choice.
No one can make you or your kids take any vaccine or medicine. But don't start complaining when they can't fully participate in society, including school.
I would argue that is "making" them do it if they can't participate in society. Many vaccines should be required. I'm not on board with requiring the covid vaccine yet. We don't require the flu shot, and kids get the flu and spread it to elderly all the time.
But we knew in 2020/21 what the virus was doing to the elderly. Let's not conflate that higher mortality strain to the strains of the past 18 months
I'm not disagreeing with that. But we didn't have the vaccine until almost halfway though 2021. It wasn't approved for kids until even later. So vaccinating children didn't;t impact the high death dolls for the elderly in the early months of the virus. I'm just saying at this stage, I don't think kids should be mandated to take the vaccine. And refusing them an education is making someone do something. I don't think any states have done that, but that was your example I responded to. If denied entry to school over a vaccine, that is making someone take it.
Kids aren't mandated, anywhere. It seems like you are applying what we know now,, after the less deadly mutations, to decisions that were made before we had that knowledge. And I say that because of the comparison to Influenza, which is a fair one today, but absurd for the first two stains.
Yes, I understand they aren't mandated anywhere. But I was responding to your comment. Someone posted they don't plan to vaccinate their kids, and you no one makes you do anything, just don't complain when they can't go to school. It was hypothetical because you're right, it is not mandated. But if they ever were to require it to go to school, that qualifies as making someone take it in my book. And at this point, I don't think it should be mandated. Maybe in the future, maybe not. I don't know.
If I had a kid I wouldn’t give it a vaccine for something that statistically won’t be an issue. I did the original C19 vax and boosters but done with it at this point unless required too in order to travel.
If you had an elderly or immunocompromised person (someone going through chemo as an example) living in the house, would you give the child a vaccine?
I would need to know if the vaccine has any impact on the kid’s ability to catch the virus and spread it. My understanding is the vaccines don’t prevent you from catching it.
I think my answer would be no.
When your symptoms are lighter, you are less contagious. You sneeze less,, have lower viral load, less mucus. So the only way that it would not make your child less contagious is if the the vaccine literally did nothing.
The reason I bring this up is that reason that schools closed was not directly about the child being at risk. It was the teachers, staff and families that were at a greater risk.
If I were a parent, I wouldn’t like being told to inject something into my kid while they are still developing because they might catch something and might spread it. I am not anti-pharma, but am anti taking a drug that isn’t necessary. Not an easy choice.
No one can make you or your kids take any vaccine or medicine. But don't start complaining when they can't fully participate in society, including school.
I would argue that is "making" them do it if they can't participate in society. Many vaccines should be required. I'm not on board with requiring the covid vaccine yet. We don't require the flu shot, and kids get the flu and spread it to elderly all the time.
But we knew in 2020/21 what the virus was doing to the elderly. Let's not conflate that higher mortality strain to the strains of the past 18 months
I'm not disagreeing with that. But we didn't have the vaccine until almost halfway though 2021. It wasn't approved for kids until even later. So vaccinating children didn't;t impact the high death dolls for the elderly in the early months of the virus. I'm just saying at this stage, I don't think kids should be mandated to take the vaccine. And refusing them an education is making someone do something. I don't think any states have done that, but that was your example I responded to. If denied entry to school over a vaccine, that is making someone take it.
Kids aren't mandated, anywhere. It seems like you are applying what we know now,, after the less deadly mutations, to decisions that were made before we had that knowledge. And I say that because of the comparison to Influenza, which is a fair one today, but absurd for the first two stains.
Yes, I understand they aren't mandated anywhere. But I was responding to your comment. Someone posted they don't plan to vaccinate their kids, and you no one makes you do anything, just don't complain when they can't go to school. It was hypothetical because you're right, it is not mandated. But if they ever were to require it to go to school, that qualifies as making someone take it in my book. And at this point, I don't think it should be mandated. Maybe in the future, maybe not. I don't know.
Mandates have always been determined situationally, but the way it's been discussed is like some people want to point-blank accept ceding decision-making power to the government. That's far from the truth, and why I don't understand the opposition to situational nuance.
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If I had a kid I wouldn’t give it a vaccine for something that statistically won’t be an issue. I did the original C19 vax and boosters but done with it at this point unless required too in order to travel.
If you had an elderly or immunocompromised person (someone going through chemo as an example) living in the house, would you give the child a vaccine?
I would need to know if the vaccine has any impact on the kid’s ability to catch the virus and spread it. My understanding is the vaccines don’t prevent you from catching it.
I think my answer would be no.
When your symptoms are lighter, you are less contagious. You sneeze less,, have lower viral load, less mucus. So the only way that it would not make your child less contagious is if the the vaccine literally did nothing.
The reason I bring this up is that reason that schools closed was not directly about the child being at risk. It was the teachers, staff and families that were at a greater risk.
If I were a parent, I wouldn’t like being told to inject something into my kid while they are still developing because they might catch something and might spread it. I am not anti-pharma, but am anti taking a drug that isn’t necessary. Not an easy choice.
No one can make you or your kids take any vaccine or medicine. But don't start complaining when they can't fully participate in society, including school.
I would argue that is "making" them do it if they can't participate in society. Many vaccines should be required. I'm not on board with requiring the covid vaccine yet. We don't require the flu shot, and kids get the flu and spread it to elderly all the time.
But we knew in 2020/21 what the virus was doing to the elderly. Let's not conflate that higher mortality strain to the strains of the past 18 months
I'm not disagreeing with that. But we didn't have the vaccine until almost halfway though 2021. It wasn't approved for kids until even later. So vaccinating children didn't;t impact the high death dolls for the elderly in the early months of the virus. I'm just saying at this stage, I don't think kids should be mandated to take the vaccine. And refusing them an education is making someone do something. I don't think any states have done that, but that was your example I responded to. If denied entry to school over a vaccine, that is making someone take it.
Kids aren't mandated, anywhere. It seems like you are applying what we know now,, after the less deadly mutations, to decisions that were made before we had that knowledge. And I say that because of the comparison to Influenza, which is a fair one today, but absurd for the first two stains.
Yes, I understand they aren't mandated anywhere. But I was responding to your comment. Someone posted they don't plan to vaccinate their kids, and you no one makes you do anything, just don't complain when they can't go to school. It was hypothetical because you're right, it is not mandated. But if they ever were to require it to go to school, that qualifies as making someone take it in my book. And at this point, I don't think it should be mandated. Maybe in the future, maybe not. I don't know.
I don't think it will be mandated unless some terrible mutant strain shows up. Now we have vaccines, treatments that work very well and the virus continues to mutate in a way that seems to be less deadly. Also our bodies have adapted.
But I don't necessarily agree with your statement about what constitutes a mandate. I would say that the measles shot is mandated to attend public school, but not mandated to be a citizen, avoid a fine or avoid jail. That's a mandate.
If I had a kid I wouldn’t give it a vaccine for something that statistically won’t be an issue. I did the original C19 vax and boosters but done with it at this point unless required too in order to travel.
If you had an elderly or immunocompromised person (someone going through chemo as an example) living in the house, would you give the child a vaccine?
I would need to know if the vaccine has any impact on the kid’s ability to catch the virus and spread it. My understanding is the vaccines don’t prevent you from catching it.
I think my answer would be no.
When your symptoms are lighter, you are less contagious. You sneeze less,, have lower viral load, less mucus. So the only way that it would not make your child less contagious is if the the vaccine literally did nothing.
The reason I bring this up is that reason that schools closed was not directly about the child being at risk. It was the teachers, staff and families that were at a greater risk.
If I were a parent, I wouldn’t like being told to inject something into my kid while they are still developing because they might catch something and might spread it. I am not anti-pharma, but am anti taking a drug that isn’t necessary. Not an easy choice.
No one can make you or your kids take any vaccine or medicine. But don't start complaining when they can't fully participate in society, including school.
I would argue that is "making" them do it if they can't participate in society. Many vaccines should be required. I'm not on board with requiring the covid vaccine yet. We don't require the flu shot, and kids get the flu and spread it to elderly all the time.
But we knew in 2020/21 what the virus was doing to the elderly. Let's not conflate that higher mortality strain to the strains of the past 18 months
I'm not disagreeing with that. But we didn't have the vaccine until almost halfway though 2021. It wasn't approved for kids until even later. So vaccinating children didn't;t impact the high death dolls for the elderly in the early months of the virus. I'm just saying at this stage, I don't think kids should be mandated to take the vaccine. And refusing them an education is making someone do something. I don't think any states have done that, but that was your example I responded to. If denied entry to school over a vaccine, that is making someone take it.
Kids aren't mandated, anywhere. It seems like you are applying what we know now,, after the less deadly mutations, to decisions that were made before we had that knowledge. And I say that because of the comparison to Influenza, which is a fair one today, but absurd for the first two stains.
Yes, I understand they aren't mandated anywhere. But I was responding to your comment. Someone posted they don't plan to vaccinate their kids, and you no one makes you do anything, just don't complain when they can't go to school. It was hypothetical because you're right, it is not mandated. But if they ever were to require it to go to school, that qualifies as making someone take it in my book. And at this point, I don't think it should be mandated. Maybe in the future, maybe not. I don't know.
I don't think it will be mandated unless some terrible mutant strain shows up. Now we have vaccines, treatments that work very well and the virus continues to mutate in a way that seems to be less deadly. Also our bodies have adapted.
But I don't necessarily agree with your statement about what constitutes a mandate. I would say that the measles shot is mandated to attend public school, but not mandated to be a citizen, avoid a fine or avoid jail. That's a mandate.
I remember when I went to college I had to show proof of my MMR vaccine (measles, mumps, rubella) I had that vaccine as a kid but my mom couldn’t find my records. So I had to retake it or the school would drop my registration. So I retook it. It was no big deal.
So I've been trying to read more about blood clots and their relation to the vaccine and covid.
About a month ago I found myself out of breath just walking. Trying to avoid a $5,000 ER bill I didn't going to the ER right away and got in to see my primary doctor. My oxygen was low and he said I could have my wife drive me to the ER or he was calling 911. I never did find out exactly how many blood clots in my lungs they found, I just remember the ER doctor saying they found multiple pulmonary embolisms in each of several different parts of the lung that he proceeded to name off. Has to be at least 6 or 8, maybe more. I was later told I was lucky to be alive, I had no pain or any other symptoms, so the fact it got that bad before I came in, I was very lucky.
Still waiting on some test results, but so far they can't find a cause. Had my most recent check up Friday, and I asked about a covid link. He confirmed there is a link with post covid and getting a blood clot. But usually a few weeks or couple months later, not a full year like I had. He also said the vaccine clots are blown way out of proportion, they are one in a million, but unexplained clots after covid are much more common.
My coworker told me her doctor told her the link was getting covid after the vaccine, but I haven't read anything that supports that.
They ran some tests for blood disorders and certain times a cancer. If all those come back negative (like I hope), a post covid symptom seems like the most likely scenario. Haven't traveled far, haven't had surgery, no big injuries lately.
So I've been trying to read more about blood clots and their relation to the vaccine and covid.
About a month ago I found myself out of breath just walking. Trying to avoid a $5,000 ER bill I didn't going to the ER right away and got in to see my primary doctor. My oxygen was low and he said I could have my wife drive me to the ER or he was calling 911. I never did find out exactly how many blood clots in my lungs they found, I just remember the ER doctor saying they found multiple pulmonary embolisms in each of several different parts of the lung that he proceeded to name off. Has to be at least 6 or 8, maybe more. I was later told I was lucky to be alive, I had no pain or any other symptoms, so the fact it got that bad before I came in, I was very lucky.
Still waiting on some test results, but so far they can't find a cause. Had my most recent check up Friday, and I asked about a covid link. He confirmed there is a link with post covid and getting a blood clot. But usually a few weeks or couple months later, not a full year like I had. He also said the vaccine clots are blown way out of proportion, they are one in a million, but unexplained clots after covid are much more common.
My coworker told me her doctor told her the link was getting covid after the vaccine, but I haven't read anything that supports that.
They ran some tests for blood disorders and certain times a cancer. If all those come back negative (like I hope), a post covid symptom seems like the most likely scenario. Haven't traveled far, haven't had surgery, no big injuries lately.
Anyone else know of people getting clots?
Yes. I know of two people. One I know personally and he told me his story. He had no issues before taking the COVID vaccine. The other person was the Grandpa of my daughter's teacher. I didn't speak with him directly but my daughter's teacher told me what he went through. Both are still having issues years later.
So I've been trying to read more about blood clots and their relation to the vaccine and covid.
About a month ago I found myself out of breath just walking. Trying to avoid a $5,000 ER bill I didn't going to the ER right away and got in to see my primary doctor. My oxygen was low and he said I could have my wife drive me to the ER or he was calling 911. I never did find out exactly how many blood clots in my lungs they found, I just remember the ER doctor saying they found multiple pulmonary embolisms in each of several different parts of the lung that he proceeded to name off. Has to be at least 6 or 8, maybe more. I was later told I was lucky to be alive, I had no pain or any other symptoms, so the fact it got that bad before I came in, I was very lucky.
Still waiting on some test results, but so far they can't find a cause. Had my most recent check up Friday, and I asked about a covid link. He confirmed there is a link with post covid and getting a blood clot. But usually a few weeks or couple months later, not a full year like I had. He also said the vaccine clots are blown way out of proportion, they are one in a million, but unexplained clots after covid are much more common.
My coworker told me her doctor told her the link was getting covid after the vaccine, but I haven't read anything that supports that.
They ran some tests for blood disorders and certain times a cancer. If all those come back negative (like I hope), a post covid symptom seems like the most likely scenario. Haven't traveled far, haven't had surgery, no big injuries lately.
Anyone else know of people getting clots?
I think you need to really cautious about asking for anecdotes,, especially around here. A close friend has been having clots for a few years and it would be easy to conclude it's from Covid vaccine. But he also smokes a pack a day. So there's a 99.5% chance that is related to that. And that percentage I just gave is made up. It's a fact that people invent 73% of their data 106% of the time.
Anyway, I hope you're getting better and taking care of yourself. And above all, listen to your body. If something feels off, it is. Take it from someone that had two MIs before 50.
Someone check my math. 8 billion people in the world. 13 billion shots administered. If I use two shots and a booster that would be about 4 billion people vaccinated. I personally think that number is high and it's probably more like 2 billion people that got initial 2 and multiple boosters. Here's the math part. If 4 billion people are vaccinated and we end up having a 1% adverse event rate leading to death how many people could the vaccine have the potential to kill? Hint: It's 5x greater than the current covid deaths worldwide total of 7 million.
“we end up having a 1% adverse event rate leading to death”
Someone check my math. 8 billion people in the world. 13 billion shots administered. If I use two shots and a booster that would be about 4 billion people vaccinated. I personally think that number is high and it's probably more like 2 billion people that got initial 2 and multiple boosters. Here's the math part. If 4 billion people are vaccinated and we end up having a 1% adverse event rate leading to death how many people could the vaccine have the potential to kill? Hint: It's 5x greater than the current covid deaths worldwide total of 7 million.
“we end up having a 1% adverse event rate leading to death”
Wait a minute... you're saying that Pfizer's legal disclosures related to their forward looking financial statements is evidence that 1% of vaccine recipients will die? Is that a joke?
So I've been trying to read more about blood clots and their relation to the vaccine and covid.
About a month ago I found myself out of breath just walking. Trying to avoid a $5,000 ER bill I didn't going to the ER right away and got in to see my primary doctor. My oxygen was low and he said I could have my wife drive me to the ER or he was calling 911. I never did find out exactly how many blood clots in my lungs they found, I just remember the ER doctor saying they found multiple pulmonary embolisms in each of several different parts of the lung that he proceeded to name off. Has to be at least 6 or 8, maybe more. I was later told I was lucky to be alive, I had no pain or any other symptoms, so the fact it got that bad before I came in, I was very lucky.
Still waiting on some test results, but so far they can't find a cause. Had my most recent check up Friday, and I asked about a covid link. He confirmed there is a link with post covid and getting a blood clot. But usually a few weeks or couple months later, not a full year like I had. He also said the vaccine clots are blown way out of proportion, they are one in a million, but unexplained clots after covid are much more common.
My coworker told me her doctor told her the link was getting covid after the vaccine, but I haven't read anything that supports that.
They ran some tests for blood disorders and certain times a cancer. If all those come back negative (like I hope), a post covid symptom seems like the most likely scenario. Haven't traveled far, haven't had surgery, no big injuries lately.
Anyone else know of people getting clots?
I hope you are feeling better and all your tests come out ok. have a friend who had blood clots like yours in the lungs. Same symptom of being out of breath. This happened several years before Covid though. So, yours may have nothing to do with Covid or the vaccine. It just happens. But I guess it’s hard to completely know the cause. She is on a low dose blood thinner and is doing fine.
Someone check my math. 8 billion people in the world. 13 billion shots administered. If I use two shots and a booster that would be about 4 billion people vaccinated. I personally think that number is high and it's probably more like 2 billion people that got initial 2 and multiple boosters. Here's the math part. If 4 billion people are vaccinated and we end up having a 1% adverse event rate leading to death how many people could the vaccine have the potential to kill? Hint: It's 5x greater than the current covid deaths worldwide total of 7 million.
“we end up having a 1% adverse event rate leading to death”
So I've been trying to read more about blood clots and their relation to the vaccine and covid.
About a month ago I found myself out of breath just walking. Trying to avoid a $5,000 ER bill I didn't going to the ER right away and got in to see my primary doctor. My oxygen was low and he said I could have my wife drive me to the ER or he was calling 911. I never did find out exactly how many blood clots in my lungs they found, I just remember the ER doctor saying they found multiple pulmonary embolisms in each of several different parts of the lung that he proceeded to name off. Has to be at least 6 or 8, maybe more. I was later told I was lucky to be alive, I had no pain or any other symptoms, so the fact it got that bad before I came in, I was very lucky.
Still waiting on some test results, but so far they can't find a cause. Had my most recent check up Friday, and I asked about a covid link. He confirmed there is a link with post covid and getting a blood clot. But usually a few weeks or couple months later, not a full year like I had. He also said the vaccine clots are blown way out of proportion, they are one in a million, but unexplained clots after covid are much more common.
My coworker told me her doctor told her the link was getting covid after the vaccine, but I haven't read anything that supports that.
They ran some tests for blood disorders and certain times a cancer. If all those come back negative (like I hope), a post covid symptom seems like the most likely scenario. Haven't traveled far, haven't had surgery, no big injuries lately.
Anyone else know of people getting clots?
I think you need to really cautious about asking for anecdotes,, especially around here. A close friend has been having clots for a few years and it would be easy to conclude it's from Covid vaccine. But he also smokes a pack a day. So there's a 99.5% chance that is related to that. And that percentage I just gave is made up. It's a fact that people invent 73% of their data 106% of the time.
Anyway, I hope you're getting better and taking care of yourself. And above all, listen to your body. If something feels off, it is. Take it from someone that had two MIs before 50.
Yeah, I'm not too worried it's connected to the vaccine. But more that its a symptom of long covid. What my doctor told me is unexplained clots under 45 years old is rare and people have been known to get clots post covid. Data relating clots to the vaccine is literally one in a million, but clots to covid is much higher.
So I've been trying to read more about blood clots and their relation to the vaccine and covid.
About a month ago I found myself out of breath just walking. Trying to avoid a $5,000 ER bill I didn't going to the ER right away and got in to see my primary doctor. My oxygen was low and he said I could have my wife drive me to the ER or he was calling 911. I never did find out exactly how many blood clots in my lungs they found, I just remember the ER doctor saying they found multiple pulmonary embolisms in each of several different parts of the lung that he proceeded to name off. Has to be at least 6 or 8, maybe more. I was later told I was lucky to be alive, I had no pain or any other symptoms, so the fact it got that bad before I came in, I was very lucky.
Still waiting on some test results, but so far they can't find a cause. Had my most recent check up Friday, and I asked about a covid link. He confirmed there is a link with post covid and getting a blood clot. But usually a few weeks or couple months later, not a full year like I had. He also said the vaccine clots are blown way out of proportion, they are one in a million, but unexplained clots after covid are much more common.
My coworker told me her doctor told her the link was getting covid after the vaccine, but I haven't read anything that supports that.
They ran some tests for blood disorders and certain times a cancer. If all those come back negative (like I hope), a post covid symptom seems like the most likely scenario. Haven't traveled far, haven't had surgery, no big injuries lately.
Anyone else know of people getting clots?
I think you need to really cautious about asking for anecdotes,, especially around here. A close friend has been having clots for a few years and it would be easy to conclude it's from Covid vaccine. But he also smokes a pack a day. So there's a 99.5% chance that is related to that. And that percentage I just gave is made up. It's a fact that people invent 73% of their data 106% of the time.
Anyway, I hope you're getting better and taking care of yourself. And above all, listen to your body. If something feels off, it is. Take it from someone that had two MIs before 50.
Yeah, I'm not too worried it's connected to the vaccine. But more that its a symptom of long covid. What my doctor told me is unexplained clots under 45 years old is rare and people have been known to get clots post covid. Data relating clots to the vaccine is literally one in a million, but clots to covid is much higher.
So I've been trying to read more about blood clots and their relation to the vaccine and covid.
About a month ago I found myself out of breath just walking. Trying to avoid a $5,000 ER bill I didn't going to the ER right away and got in to see my primary doctor. My oxygen was low and he said I could have my wife drive me to the ER or he was calling 911. I never did find out exactly how many blood clots in my lungs they found, I just remember the ER doctor saying they found multiple pulmonary embolisms in each of several different parts of the lung that he proceeded to name off. Has to be at least 6 or 8, maybe more. I was later told I was lucky to be alive, I had no pain or any other symptoms, so the fact it got that bad before I came in, I was very lucky.
Still waiting on some test results, but so far they can't find a cause. Had my most recent check up Friday, and I asked about a covid link. He confirmed there is a link with post covid and getting a blood clot. But usually a few weeks or couple months later, not a full year like I had. He also said the vaccine clots are blown way out of proportion, they are one in a million, but unexplained clots after covid are much more common.
My coworker told me her doctor told her the link was getting covid after the vaccine, but I haven't read anything that supports that.
They ran some tests for blood disorders and certain times a cancer. If all those come back negative (like I hope), a post covid symptom seems like the most likely scenario. Haven't traveled far, haven't had surgery, no big injuries lately.
Anyone else know of people getting clots?
Me!
I went to the ER April 8th because my leg was swelling. Turns out I had a clot in my calf. There was a very small piece in my lung that the doctor said was considered "low risk" so it sounds like you had it much worse than me.
I had a covid booster in Oct of 2022 so this would have been at least six months after that. I have not had covid to my knowledge.
No family history. My theory was that it related to me sitting at my desk for 12 hours/day but my doctor said "you've been doing that for 20 years" which is also correct.
I'm supposed to get another scan in December. I'm on Eliquis right now. Hoping it fucking goes away.
Best of luck to you.
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Well look man, all y'all are a bunch o' pencil necks. When I was in elementary school, we got up a 5 AM, milked the cows and feed the chickens, walked 10 miles to school- both ways- and worked in the coal mines until 11 PM. Amurca is gotten itself weak, man, WEAK!
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If Evel K were right, then I must be quite lucky because between myself and everyone I know well and the people they know, I don't know of or heard of a single soul- surely not one out of a hundred- who have had severe adverse affects due to the vaccination, let alone died from it, let alone one out of a thousand even.
It was hypothetical because you're right, it is not mandated. But if they ever were to require it to go to school, that qualifies as making someone take it in my book. And at this point, I don't think it should be mandated. Maybe in the future, maybe not. I don't know.
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But I don't necessarily agree with your statement about what constitutes a mandate. I would say that the measles shot is mandated to attend public school, but not mandated to be a citizen, avoid a fine or avoid jail. That's a mandate.
About a month ago I found myself out of breath just walking. Trying to avoid a $5,000 ER bill I didn't going to the ER right away and got in to see my primary doctor. My oxygen was low and he said I could have my wife drive me to the ER or he was calling 911. I never did find out exactly how many blood clots in my lungs they found, I just remember the ER doctor saying they found multiple pulmonary embolisms in each of several different parts of the lung that he proceeded to name off. Has to be at least 6 or 8, maybe more. I was later told I was lucky to be alive, I had no pain or any other symptoms, so the fact it got that bad before I came in, I was very lucky.
Still waiting on some test results, but so far they can't find a cause. Had my most recent check up Friday, and I asked about a covid link. He confirmed there is a link with post covid and getting a blood clot. But usually a few weeks or couple months later, not a full year like I had. He also said the vaccine clots are blown way out of proportion, they are one in a million, but unexplained clots after covid are much more common.
My coworker told me her doctor told her the link was getting covid after the vaccine, but I haven't read anything that supports that.
They ran some tests for blood disorders and certain times a cancer. If all those come back negative (like I hope), a post covid symptom seems like the most likely scenario. Haven't traveled far, haven't had surgery, no big injuries lately.
Anyone else know of people getting clots?
Anyway, I hope you're getting better and taking care of yourself. And above all, listen to your body. If something feels off, it is. Take it from someone that had two MIs before 50.
I went to the ER April 8th because my leg was swelling. Turns out I had a clot in my calf. There was a very small piece in my lung that the doctor said was considered "low risk" so it sounds like you had it much worse than me.
I had a covid booster in Oct of 2022 so this would have been at least six months after that. I have not had covid to my knowledge.
No family history. My theory was that it related to me sitting at my desk for 12 hours/day but my doctor said "you've been doing that for 20 years" which is also correct.
I'm supposed to get another scan in December. I'm on Eliquis right now. Hoping it fucking goes away.
Best of luck to you.
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