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  • When can it start to be used?

    "There are no clinically approved inverse vaccines yet, but we're incredibly excited about moving this technology forward." That's from UChicago.

    As another person with autoimmune issues, I'm super excited to see this!
    Me too!  ME/CFS, MS, Fibro.  
  • I still have people in my facebook feed posting the "if it's 99% effective against a virus that is 99% survivable, why the mandates?" memes. IDIOTS. 
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,420
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    Over 200K Americans died after the vaccines were available most of them in southern red states! All because of anti vaccine movement
    The Deadly Rise of Anti-science: A Scientist's Warning
    https://a.co/d/5QcpZT7
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  • Over 200K Americans died after the vaccines were available most of them in southern red states! All because of anti vaccine movement
    The Deadly Rise of Anti-science: A Scientist's Warning
    https://a.co/d/5QcpZT7
    Culling the cult is a brilliant long term political strategy. Hey! Who needs a flu shot? Skip it. 
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  • Over 200K Americans died after the vaccines were available most of them in southern red states! All because of anti vaccine movement
    The Deadly Rise of Anti-science: A Scientist's Warning
    https://a.co/d/5QcpZT7
    Culling the cult is a brilliant long term political strategy. Hey! Who needs a flu shot? Skip it. 
    Tejas was numero 1 in the death stat 
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  • Over 200K Americans died after the vaccines were available most of them in southern red states! All because of anti vaccine movement
    The Deadly Rise of Anti-science: A Scientist's Warning
    https://a.co/d/5QcpZT7
    Culling the cult is a brilliant long term political strategy. Hey! Who needs a flu shot? Skip it. 
    Tejas was numero 1 in the death stat 
    I thought that was the fault of the dirty mexicans bringing it over the border? /s
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  • Over 200K Americans died after the vaccines were available most of them in southern red states! All because of anti vaccine movement
    The Deadly Rise of Anti-science: A Scientist's Warning
    https://a.co/d/5QcpZT7
    Culling the cult is a brilliant long term political strategy. Hey! Who needs a flu shot? Skip it. 
    I know you’re being funny but don’t you wish this was really true and that the anti-vaxxers would boycott all medical assistance 
  • Over 200K Americans died after the vaccines were available most of them in southern red states! All because of anti vaccine movement
    The Deadly Rise of Anti-science: A Scientist's Warning
    https://a.co/d/5QcpZT7
    Culling the cult is a brilliant long term political strategy. Hey! Who needs a flu shot? Skip it. 
    I know you’re being funny but don’t you wish this was really true and that the anti-vaxxers would boycott all medical assistance 
    Don’t get vaccinated, catch Covid, stay home until it passes. Use your horse dewormer and bleach. It’ll go away. By Easter.
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  • Over 200K Americans died after the vaccines were available most of them in southern red states! All because of anti vaccine movement
    The Deadly Rise of Anti-science: A Scientist's Warning
    https://a.co/d/5QcpZT7
    Culling the cult is a brilliant long term political strategy. Hey! Who needs a flu shot? Skip it. 
    I know you’re being funny but don’t you wish this was really true and that the anti-vaxxers would boycott all medical assistance 
    Don’t get vaccinated, catch Covid, stay home until it passes. Use your horse dewormer and bleach. It’ll go away. By Easter.
    Damn that made me laugh!    Forgot all about the Easter comment!!!! Wasn’t Easter like a week or two away when he said that?  I need to review it.  He was so full of crap it’s hard to remember all the lies!  
  • Over 200K Americans died after the vaccines were available most of them in southern red states! All because of anti vaccine movement
    The Deadly Rise of Anti-science: A Scientist's Warning
    https://a.co/d/5QcpZT7
    Culling the cult is a brilliant long term political strategy. Hey! Who needs a flu shot? Skip it. 
    Tejas was numero 1 in the death stat 
    I thought that was the fault of the dirty mexicans bringing it over the border? /s
    It is they bring all the viruses with them to kill white republicans! 
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  • Wish we would do that here again
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  • One of my high school teachers just posted on FB that his wife passed away from Covid last night. Married 46 years.
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  • One of my high school teachers just posted on FB that his wife passed away from Covid last night. Married 46 years.
    shitty man. sorry to hear that. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,477
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  • We got our covid shots last night, feeling it today. Oof.
    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
  • We got our covid shots last night, feeling it today. Oof.
    What frequency are you on?
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  • We got our covid shots last night, feeling it today. Oof.
    What frequency are you on?
    ?

    It's the updated Moderna vaccine. Last had a booster twelve months ago, got to enjoy the kraken variant in February.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,477
    We got our covid shots last night, feeling it today. Oof.
    What frequency are you on?
    ?

    It's the updated Moderna vaccine. Last had a booster twelve months ago, got to enjoy the kraken variant in February.

    The microchip. What frequency is your microchip set on
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  • We got our covid shots last night, feeling it today. Oof.
    What frequency are you on?
    ?

    It's the updated Moderna vaccine. Last had a booster twelve months ago, got to enjoy the kraken variant in February.
    Can you tell us what the mars rover is currently discovering?
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  • I'm wearing my exasperated mom face right now.
    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Posts: 19,224
    mickeyrat said:
    We got our covid shots last night, feeling it today. Oof.
    What frequency are you on?
    ?

    It's the updated Moderna vaccine. Last had a booster twelve months ago, got to enjoy the kraken variant in February.

    The microchip. What frequency is your microchip set on
    Even those wasn't 100% effective.. and we need new ones.. amateurs..
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,477
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Posts: 19,224
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  • I agree with this statement except for the word "properly":

    “Because the central or liberal media refused to cover it properly, it gave free rein to all of the right-wing media to report in the most polarizing, exaggerated way possible and inflame tensions.”

    They refused to give credence to what, at the beginning, seemed like a crazy conspiracy theory, because they knew it would cause, and even did cause, hate speech/crimes/violence against Chinese citizens around the world even though they obviously had nothing to do with it (like Middle Eastern people suffered after 9/11). And as always, hindsight is 20/20. The media were giving credence to what the general consensus was by the scientific community at large. As more evidence has been gathered and, with it, a better understanding of the virus itself, made it more likely that it was a lab leak. 

    But in the very next paragraph he admits his extreme bias by stating his ultimate distrust in governments as "they deal in power, they don't deal in truth". To some extent, I agree with that, however, they also deal in mitigation. They keep from the public what they think will keep the public safe (whether I agree with that practice is another thread). In the end, what positive effect would stating "it could have been a lab leak from china) have had on the public? None. The fact is the virus was here. Publicly espousing the lab leak as a viable theory would have done nothing except stoke fear and division and unrest, as he stated, much to the delight of the right wing media and racists (no, I'm not saying all lab leak theorists are racist; I'm saying it would have given racists legitimacy). 
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,423
    I agree with this statement except for the word "properly":

    “Because the central or liberal media refused to cover it properly, it gave free rein to all of the right-wing media to report in the most polarizing, exaggerated way possible and inflame tensions.”

    They refused to give credence to what, at the beginning, seemed like a crazy conspiracy theory, because they knew it would cause, and even did cause, hate speech/crimes/violence against Chinese citizens around the world even though they obviously had nothing to do with it (like Middle Eastern people suffered after 9/11). And as always, hindsight is 20/20. The media were giving credence to what the general consensus was by the scientific community at large. As more evidence has been gathered and, with it, a better understanding of the virus itself, made it more likely that it was a lab leak. 

    But in the very next paragraph he admits his extreme bias by stating his ultimate distrust in governments as "they deal in power, they don't deal in truth". To some extent, I agree with that, however, they also deal in mitigation. They keep from the public what they think will keep the public safe (whether I agree with that practice is another thread). In the end, what positive effect would stating "it could have been a lab leak from china) have had on the public? None. The fact is the virus was here. Publicly espousing the lab leak as a viable theory would have done nothing except stoke fear and division and unrest, as he stated, much to the delight of the right wing media and racists (no, I'm not saying all lab leak theorists are racist; I'm saying it would have given racists legitimacy). 
    I made it as far as to where they compared it to the early days of the Hunter Biden laptop story... the media had good reason to not report on that based on its weak sourcing. That was what responsible reporting should do. 

    People are mad that story didn't get more traction, but it's still very much unproven to this day, and to your point... what would have changed at the time if more credibility was given to the theory? Nothing. The virus still would have been here and we still would have had to deal with it. 
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Posts: 19,224
    I agree with this statement except for the word "properly":

    “Because the central or liberal media refused to cover it properly, it gave free rein to all of the right-wing media to report in the most polarizing, exaggerated way possible and inflame tensions.”

    They refused to give credence to what, at the beginning, seemed like a crazy conspiracy theory, because they knew it would cause, and even did cause, hate speech/crimes/violence against Chinese citizens around the world even though they obviously had nothing to do with it (like Middle Eastern people suffered after 9/11). And as always, hindsight is 20/20. The media were giving credence to what the general consensus was by the scientific community at large. As more evidence has been gathered and, with it, a better understanding of the virus itself, made it more likely that it was a lab leak. 

    But in the very next paragraph he admits his extreme bias by stating his ultimate distrust in governments as "they deal in power, they don't deal in truth". To some extent, I agree with that, however, they also deal in mitigation. They keep from the public what they think will keep the public safe (whether I agree with that practice is another thread). In the end, what positive effect would stating "it could have been a lab leak from china) have had on the public? None. The fact is the virus was here. Publicly espousing the lab leak as a viable theory would have done nothing except stoke fear and division and unrest, as he stated, much to the delight of the right wing media and racists (no, I'm not saying all lab leak theorists are racist; I'm saying it would have given racists legitimacy). 
    USA is not the planet..what you say about the hate speech/crimes/violence against Chinese citizens, i didn't see it anywhere else in the world..
    and to end that, really you don't care for the truth??
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