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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,468
    23scidoo said:
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    benjs said:
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    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    Oh, Children's Health Defense. Featuring Robert F. Kennedy as the Chairman of the Board. Are you as high as he is to support this crock of shit, four years in?

    As for the Nonclinical Evaluation of BNT162b2 that's 58 pages long - are you suggesting that for some reason you, with the controversial opinion, want us, with mountains of evidence, to scrutinize this two-year-old Nonclinical Evaluation to somehow prove you right? Give me a break. Or a damn page number. 
    Milk Chocolate Break ION 85g  e-Freshgr
    Is this Greece's Kit Kat alternative? I'm going to Santorini and Athens later this summer, will have to check it out!
    It's not so good..Santorini??..which month??..prepare to pay everything as made of gold..we have much better islands to visit..
    and the famous sunset is οverpriced..bad beaches..have fun anyway..first visit to Greece??
    my favourite greek chocolate is..

    ION  Our productsmrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Since you're not American, you can be forgiven for not knowing that Ken Paxson is a complete tool of an AG.  Everything he does is for optics, from busing migrants across teh country, to supporting the ridiculous abortion law that violates several due process clauses.  And NY Post is for people who find Fox News too classy.  So keep following this 'investigation'.  You'll see it goes as far as Cyber Ninjas doing recounts. 
    28th of April was the first civil case..more to come..
    https://www.dw.com/en/post-vac-syndrome-the-forgotten-covid-victims/a-65051748
    who is living in a rabbit hole??..
    If it's so dangerous,  why don't any of us on this board suffer from these side effects? Are the drug companies so bad at their jobs of poisoning us that it affects so few? Strange.  Maybe I shouldn't have taken the jabs considering this guy from Cologne or that bullshit video of that weird lady who was faking it.  Or maybe the side effects are in me,  waiting to come out 3 years later, like a time bomb. 
    The article talks about the German health minister..but you stuck to this guy from Cologne (very pretty city by the way)..
    ''why don't any of us on this board suffer from these side effects?''..really now??.. is that example if some people suffering from those??..
    there are side effects you like it or not..some people experience with this and some people doesn't..if you or anyone else you know dosen't have any issues that doesn't mean the problem is not real..
    EVEN ONE DEATH IN BILLION DOSES IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!!!!
    Anesthesia has a death rate of 1/100k.  Is that a daily crime against humanity? How many medicines have a zero death rate?  None.  
    I made anesthesia once and i was so scared the previous night, lol..it's not the same and you know that..
    Explain to me how that's not the same.  The death rate for women on birth control pill due to clots is about 5/10,000.  How is that any different than the risks with the vaccine?  
    Birth control pill wasn't mandatory. Why is that so hard to understand?
    neither was the vaccine. did someone hold you down and administer it? why is that so hard to understand?
    Let's be fair here and acknowledge that some people had to get the vaccine to keep their employment, travel, etc....  I know people that took it only to keep their jobs. 
    I know. I was one of them. I get the argument he is making. But it wasn't LITERALLY forced. there was still a choice. a shit choice? yeah, but a choice nonetheless. 
    What was your choice Huge if you don't get it??
    lose my job. 
    So, blackmail..
    that's not blackmail. 
    What was it??

    a condition of employment.
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Posts: 19,223
    mickeyrat said:
    23scidoo said:
    23scidoo said:
    23scidoo said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    Oh, Children's Health Defense. Featuring Robert F. Kennedy as the Chairman of the Board. Are you as high as he is to support this crock of shit, four years in?

    As for the Nonclinical Evaluation of BNT162b2 that's 58 pages long - are you suggesting that for some reason you, with the controversial opinion, want us, with mountains of evidence, to scrutinize this two-year-old Nonclinical Evaluation to somehow prove you right? Give me a break. Or a damn page number. 
    Milk Chocolate Break ION 85g  e-Freshgr
    Is this Greece's Kit Kat alternative? I'm going to Santorini and Athens later this summer, will have to check it out!
    It's not so good..Santorini??..which month??..prepare to pay everything as made of gold..we have much better islands to visit..
    and the famous sunset is οverpriced..bad beaches..have fun anyway..first visit to Greece??
    my favourite greek chocolate is..

    ION  Our productsmrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Since you're not American, you can be forgiven for not knowing that Ken Paxson is a complete tool of an AG.  Everything he does is for optics, from busing migrants across teh country, to supporting the ridiculous abortion law that violates several due process clauses.  And NY Post is for people who find Fox News too classy.  So keep following this 'investigation'.  You'll see it goes as far as Cyber Ninjas doing recounts. 
    28th of April was the first civil case..more to come..
    https://www.dw.com/en/post-vac-syndrome-the-forgotten-covid-victims/a-65051748
    who is living in a rabbit hole??..
    If it's so dangerous,  why don't any of us on this board suffer from these side effects? Are the drug companies so bad at their jobs of poisoning us that it affects so few? Strange.  Maybe I shouldn't have taken the jabs considering this guy from Cologne or that bullshit video of that weird lady who was faking it.  Or maybe the side effects are in me,  waiting to come out 3 years later, like a time bomb. 
    The article talks about the German health minister..but you stuck to this guy from Cologne (very pretty city by the way)..
    ''why don't any of us on this board suffer from these side effects?''..really now??.. is that example if some people suffering from those??..
    there are side effects you like it or not..some people experience with this and some people doesn't..if you or anyone else you know dosen't have any issues that doesn't mean the problem is not real..
    EVEN ONE DEATH IN BILLION DOSES IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!!!!
    Anesthesia has a death rate of 1/100k.  Is that a daily crime against humanity? How many medicines have a zero death rate?  None.  
    I made anesthesia once and i was so scared the previous night, lol..it's not the same and you know that..
    Explain to me how that's not the same.  The death rate for women on birth control pill due to clots is about 5/10,000.  How is that any different than the risks with the vaccine?  
    Birth control pill wasn't mandatory. Why is that so hard to understand?
    neither was the vaccine. did someone hold you down and administer it? why is that so hard to understand?
    Let's be fair here and acknowledge that some people had to get the vaccine to keep their employment, travel, etc....  I know people that took it only to keep their jobs. 
    I know. I was one of them. I get the argument he is making. But it wasn't LITERALLY forced. there was still a choice. a shit choice? yeah, but a choice nonetheless. 
    What was your choice Huge if you don't get it??
    lose my job. 
    So, blackmail..
    that's not blackmail. 
    What was it??

    a condition of employment.
    In my part of the world call it blacmail..
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  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,130
    edited May 2023
    23scidoo said:
    mickeyrat said:
    23scidoo said:
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    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    Oh, Children's Health Defense. Featuring Robert F. Kennedy as the Chairman of the Board. Are you as high as he is to support this crock of shit, four years in?

    As for the Nonclinical Evaluation of BNT162b2 that's 58 pages long - are you suggesting that for some reason you, with the controversial opinion, want us, with mountains of evidence, to scrutinize this two-year-old Nonclinical Evaluation to somehow prove you right? Give me a break. Or a damn page number. 
    Milk Chocolate Break ION 85g  e-Freshgr
    Is this Greece's Kit Kat alternative? I'm going to Santorini and Athens later this summer, will have to check it out!
    It's not so good..Santorini??..which month??..prepare to pay everything as made of gold..we have much better islands to visit..
    and the famous sunset is οverpriced..bad beaches..have fun anyway..first visit to Greece??
    my favourite greek chocolate is..

    ION  Our productsmrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Since you're not American, you can be forgiven for not knowing that Ken Paxson is a complete tool of an AG.  Everything he does is for optics, from busing migrants across teh country, to supporting the ridiculous abortion law that violates several due process clauses.  And NY Post is for people who find Fox News too classy.  So keep following this 'investigation'.  You'll see it goes as far as Cyber Ninjas doing recounts. 
    28th of April was the first civil case..more to come..
    https://www.dw.com/en/post-vac-syndrome-the-forgotten-covid-victims/a-65051748
    who is living in a rabbit hole??..
    If it's so dangerous,  why don't any of us on this board suffer from these side effects? Are the drug companies so bad at their jobs of poisoning us that it affects so few? Strange.  Maybe I shouldn't have taken the jabs considering this guy from Cologne or that bullshit video of that weird lady who was faking it.  Or maybe the side effects are in me,  waiting to come out 3 years later, like a time bomb. 
    The article talks about the German health minister..but you stuck to this guy from Cologne (very pretty city by the way)..
    ''why don't any of us on this board suffer from these side effects?''..really now??.. is that example if some people suffering from those??..
    there are side effects you like it or not..some people experience with this and some people doesn't..if you or anyone else you know dosen't have any issues that doesn't mean the problem is not real..
    EVEN ONE DEATH IN BILLION DOSES IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!!!!
    Anesthesia has a death rate of 1/100k.  Is that a daily crime against humanity? How many medicines have a zero death rate?  None.  
    I made anesthesia once and i was so scared the previous night, lol..it's not the same and you know that..
    Explain to me how that's not the same.  The death rate for women on birth control pill due to clots is about 5/10,000.  How is that any different than the risks with the vaccine?  
    Birth control pill wasn't mandatory. Why is that so hard to understand?
    neither was the vaccine. did someone hold you down and administer it? why is that so hard to understand?
    Let's be fair here and acknowledge that some people had to get the vaccine to keep their employment, travel, etc....  I know people that took it only to keep their jobs. 
    I know. I was one of them. I get the argument he is making. But it wasn't LITERALLY forced. there was still a choice. a shit choice? yeah, but a choice nonetheless. 
    What was your choice Huge if you don't get it??
    lose my job. 
    So, blackmail..
    that's not blackmail. 
    What was it??

    a condition of employment.
    In my part of the world call it blacmail..
    You have ignored countless people on here who have explained to you, with evidence, how and why reduced symptoms led to reduced spread. You may consider reducing the spread of a pandemic by imposing a minuscule risk of any complication (not a lethal one) on employed citizens to be illegitimate - I consider that attitude selfish as fuck. Must be cultural differences between 'your part of the world' and mine.

    Other risks we willingly accept: 
    Building codes in Ontario accept calculations yielding a 1 in 2 million odds of failure (a terrible imposition from the government - we should all abandon our homes instead)
    The odds of tripping and dying in the shower are something like 1 in 700,000 (who can accept this? BAN ALL SHOWERS) 
    Exposure to drunk drivers on the road or violent carriers of firearms on the streets (whatever the odds are, expect them to be way worse if you're not Caucasian)
    Being stampeded to death at a Pearl Jam concert: 9 died at Roskilde. As of September 2021 (according to ChatGPT) PJ had played over 1,200 shows. Assuming 30,000 seats per venue, that's 70,000,000 attendees, or more than 1 in 10 million odds of death. Should Pearl Jam have stopped touring when they saw a fatality occur? For that matter, should all music events be banned?
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,892
    edited May 2023
    23scidoo said:
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    AW124797 said:
    weird the anti vaxxers/conspiracy theorists don't seem to care about the millions of deaths prevented by the vaccine. 
    Oh, sure. Prevented millions of deaths, billions of hospitalizations, but couldn't stop covid transmission. 
    Another big lie..''protect the elders''..lol


    Do you have proof its a lie? Please share. 
    since it has been proven that even if you vaccinate you transmit the virus..are you living in another universe??..
    and now think..how many vaccinate people get the virus with mild symptoms, they didn't know they had the virus and spread it??..
    first, you chastise people all the time here for being what you perceive as "nasty" or even sarcastic. 

    second, I'm not sure how many times this has to be explained:

    -the vaccine will often mitigate symptoms
    -if you aren't symptomatic, you are less likely to spread it. 

    you understand that sneezing as opposed to just plain breathing tends to be worse for spreading viruses, don't you?
    My character is me..my behavior is you..
    😂 so i suppose that applies to every other perdon every time you’ve whined about people being “big meanies” to you then, wouldn’t it. 
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  • 23scidoo said:
    mickeyrat said:
    23scidoo said:
    23scidoo said:
    23scidoo said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    Oh, Children's Health Defense. Featuring Robert F. Kennedy as the Chairman of the Board. Are you as high as he is to support this crock of shit, four years in?

    As for the Nonclinical Evaluation of BNT162b2 that's 58 pages long - are you suggesting that for some reason you, with the controversial opinion, want us, with mountains of evidence, to scrutinize this two-year-old Nonclinical Evaluation to somehow prove you right? Give me a break. Or a damn page number. 
    Milk Chocolate Break ION 85g  e-Freshgr
    Is this Greece's Kit Kat alternative? I'm going to Santorini and Athens later this summer, will have to check it out!
    It's not so good..Santorini??..which month??..prepare to pay everything as made of gold..we have much better islands to visit..
    and the famous sunset is οverpriced..bad beaches..have fun anyway..first visit to Greece??
    my favourite greek chocolate is..

    ION  Our productsmrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Since you're not American, you can be forgiven for not knowing that Ken Paxson is a complete tool of an AG.  Everything he does is for optics, from busing migrants across teh country, to supporting the ridiculous abortion law that violates several due process clauses.  And NY Post is for people who find Fox News too classy.  So keep following this 'investigation'.  You'll see it goes as far as Cyber Ninjas doing recounts. 
    28th of April was the first civil case..more to come..
    https://www.dw.com/en/post-vac-syndrome-the-forgotten-covid-victims/a-65051748
    who is living in a rabbit hole??..
    If it's so dangerous,  why don't any of us on this board suffer from these side effects? Are the drug companies so bad at their jobs of poisoning us that it affects so few? Strange.  Maybe I shouldn't have taken the jabs considering this guy from Cologne or that bullshit video of that weird lady who was faking it.  Or maybe the side effects are in me,  waiting to come out 3 years later, like a time bomb. 
    The article talks about the German health minister..but you stuck to this guy from Cologne (very pretty city by the way)..
    ''why don't any of us on this board suffer from these side effects?''..really now??.. is that example if some people suffering from those??..
    there are side effects you like it or not..some people experience with this and some people doesn't..if you or anyone else you know dosen't have any issues that doesn't mean the problem is not real..
    EVEN ONE DEATH IN BILLION DOSES IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!!!!
    Anesthesia has a death rate of 1/100k.  Is that a daily crime against humanity? How many medicines have a zero death rate?  None.  
    I made anesthesia once and i was so scared the previous night, lol..it's not the same and you know that..
    Explain to me how that's not the same.  The death rate for women on birth control pill due to clots is about 5/10,000.  How is that any different than the risks with the vaccine?  
    Birth control pill wasn't mandatory. Why is that so hard to understand?
    neither was the vaccine. did someone hold you down and administer it? why is that so hard to understand?
    Let's be fair here and acknowledge that some people had to get the vaccine to keep their employment, travel, etc....  I know people that took it only to keep their jobs. 
    I know. I was one of them. I get the argument he is making. But it wasn't LITERALLY forced. there was still a choice. a shit choice? yeah, but a choice nonetheless. 
    What was your choice Huge if you don't get it??
    lose my job. 
    So, blackmail..
    that's not blackmail. 
    What was it??

    a condition of employment.
    In my part of the world call it blacmail..
    Your part of the world has trouble with definitions then. 
    new album "Cigarettes" out Spring 2025!

    www.headstonesband.com




  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,419
    Nail on the head, @benjs

    selfish as fuck. 
  • AW124797AW124797 Posts: 667
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    Oh, Children's Health Defense. Featuring Robert F. Kennedy as the Chairman of the Board. Are you as high as he is to support this crock of shit, four years in?

    As for the Nonclinical Evaluation of BNT162b2 that's 58 pages long - are you suggesting that for some reason you, with the controversial opinion, want us, with mountains of evidence, to scrutinize this two-year-old Nonclinical Evaluation to somehow prove you right? Give me a break. Or a damn page number. 
    Milk Chocolate Break ION 85g  e-Freshgr
    Is this Greece's Kit Kat alternative? I'm going to Santorini and Athens later this summer, will have to check it out!
    It's not so good..Santorini??..which month??..prepare to pay everything as made of gold..we have much better islands to visit..
    and the famous sunset is οverpriced..bad beaches..have fun anyway..first visit to Greece??
    my favourite greek chocolate is..

    ION  Our productsmrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Since you're not American, you can be forgiven for not knowing that Ken Paxson is a complete tool of an AG.  Everything he does is for optics, from busing migrants across teh country, to supporting the ridiculous abortion law that violates several due process clauses.  And NY Post is for people who find Fox News too classy.  So keep following this 'investigation'.  You'll see it goes as far as Cyber Ninjas doing recounts. 
    28th of April was the first civil case..more to come..
    https://www.dw.com/en/post-vac-syndrome-the-forgotten-covid-victims/a-65051748
    who is living in a rabbit hole??..
    If it's so dangerous,  why don't any of us on this board suffer from these side effects? Are the drug companies so bad at their jobs of poisoning us that it affects so few? Strange.  Maybe I shouldn't have taken the jabs considering this guy from Cologne or that bullshit video of that weird lady who was faking it.  Or maybe the side effects are in me,  waiting to come out 3 years later, like a time bomb. 
    The article talks about the German health minister..but you stuck to this guy from Cologne (very pretty city by the way)..
    ''why don't any of us on this board suffer from these side effects?''..really now??.. is that example if some people suffering from those??..
    there are side effects you like it or not..some people experience with this and some people doesn't..if you or anyone else you know dosen't have any issues that doesn't mean the problem is not real..
    EVEN ONE DEATH IN BILLION DOSES IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!!!!
    Anesthesia has a death rate of 1/100k.  Is that a daily crime against humanity? How many medicines have a zero death rate?  None.  
    I made anesthesia once and i was so scared the previous night, lol..it's not the same and you know that..
    Explain to me how that's not the same.  The death rate for women on birth control pill due to clots is about 5/10,000.  How is that any different than the risks with the vaccine?  
    Birth control pill wasn't mandatory. Why is that so hard to understand?
    neither was the vaccine. did someone hold you down and administer it? why is that so hard to understand?
    So at the age of 45ish, somebody is forced to change his job and/or restart his career. Good fuckin luck with that. 

  • AW124797AW124797 Posts: 667
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    Oh, Children's Health Defense. Featuring Robert F. Kennedy as the Chairman of the Board. Are you as high as he is to support this crock of shit, four years in?

    As for the Nonclinical Evaluation of BNT162b2 that's 58 pages long - are you suggesting that for some reason you, with the controversial opinion, want us, with mountains of evidence, to scrutinize this two-year-old Nonclinical Evaluation to somehow prove you right? Give me a break. Or a damn page number. 
    Milk Chocolate Break ION 85g  e-Freshgr
    Is this Greece's Kit Kat alternative? I'm going to Santorini and Athens later this summer, will have to check it out!
    It's not so good..Santorini??..which month??..prepare to pay everything as made of gold..we have much better islands to visit..
    and the famous sunset is οverpriced..bad beaches..have fun anyway..first visit to Greece??
    my favourite greek chocolate is..

    ION  Our productsmrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Since you're not American, you can be forgiven for not knowing that Ken Paxson is a complete tool of an AG.  Everything he does is for optics, from busing migrants across teh country, to supporting the ridiculous abortion law that violates several due process clauses.  And NY Post is for people who find Fox News too classy.  So keep following this 'investigation'.  You'll see it goes as far as Cyber Ninjas doing recounts. 
    28th of April was the first civil case..more to come..
    https://www.dw.com/en/post-vac-syndrome-the-forgotten-covid-victims/a-65051748
    who is living in a rabbit hole??..
    If it's so dangerous,  why don't any of us on this board suffer from these side effects? Are the drug companies so bad at their jobs of poisoning us that it affects so few? Strange.  Maybe I shouldn't have taken the jabs considering this guy from Cologne or that bullshit video of that weird lady who was faking it.  Or maybe the side effects are in me,  waiting to come out 3 years later, like a time bomb. 
    The article talks about the German health minister..but you stuck to this guy from Cologne (very pretty city by the way)..
    ''why don't any of us on this board suffer from these side effects?''..really now??.. is that example if some people suffering from those??..
    there are side effects you like it or not..some people experience with this and some people doesn't..if you or anyone else you know dosen't have any issues that doesn't mean the problem is not real..
    EVEN ONE DEATH IN BILLION DOSES IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!!!!
    Anesthesia has a death rate of 1/100k.  Is that a daily crime against humanity? How many medicines have a zero death rate?  None.  
    I made anesthesia once and i was so scared the previous night, lol..it's not the same and you know that..
    Explain to me how that's not the same.  The death rate for women on birth control pill due to clots is about 5/10,000.  How is that any different than the risks with the vaccine?  
    Birth control pill wasn't mandatory. Why is that so hard to understand?
    Did the gov't make you get the vaccine?  My state and federal gov't didn't. 

    However, we were made to get the Polio vaccine, as every child has had to do since the 50s, in order to attend public school.  The rate of anaphylaxis attributed to that vaccine is 2 per million doses.  This has led to deaths each year.  Considering our friend's very scientific statement that even ONE DEATH IN A BILLION DOSES IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY, it seems quite clear that the word has been committing these crimes since the 50's.  

    And you are a victim, since I'm sure you have had the polio vaccine.  And if you have kids, well then you're obviously a criminal too. 
    Polio vaccine has nothing to do with this Mickey Mouse jab. Pointless argument. 
    Why?  The polio vaccine was tested literally on children, quickly, and rolled out to all school children in the US in the matter of a year.  And now it's mandatory.  Why is there not an equivalency?  
    Night and day. Polio vaccine was effective and Covid shots were ineffective, but great as a feelgood factor among some. 
  • AW124797AW124797 Posts: 667
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    mickeyrat said:
    23scidoo said:
    23scidoo said:
    23scidoo said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    Oh, Children's Health Defense. Featuring Robert F. Kennedy as the Chairman of the Board. Are you as high as he is to support this crock of shit, four years in?

    As for the Nonclinical Evaluation of BNT162b2 that's 58 pages long - are you suggesting that for some reason you, with the controversial opinion, want us, with mountains of evidence, to scrutinize this two-year-old Nonclinical Evaluation to somehow prove you right? Give me a break. Or a damn page number. 
    Milk Chocolate Break ION 85g  e-Freshgr
    Is this Greece's Kit Kat alternative? I'm going to Santorini and Athens later this summer, will have to check it out!
    It's not so good..Santorini??..which month??..prepare to pay everything as made of gold..we have much better islands to visit..
    and the famous sunset is οverpriced..bad beaches..have fun anyway..first visit to Greece??
    my favourite greek chocolate is..

    ION  Our productsmrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Since you're not American, you can be forgiven for not knowing that Ken Paxson is a complete tool of an AG.  Everything he does is for optics, from busing migrants across teh country, to supporting the ridiculous abortion law that violates several due process clauses.  And NY Post is for people who find Fox News too classy.  So keep following this 'investigation'.  You'll see it goes as far as Cyber Ninjas doing recounts. 
    28th of April was the first civil case..more to come..
    https://www.dw.com/en/post-vac-syndrome-the-forgotten-covid-victims/a-65051748
    who is living in a rabbit hole??..
    If it's so dangerous,  why don't any of us on this board suffer from these side effects? Are the drug companies so bad at their jobs of poisoning us that it affects so few? Strange.  Maybe I shouldn't have taken the jabs considering this guy from Cologne or that bullshit video of that weird lady who was faking it.  Or maybe the side effects are in me,  waiting to come out 3 years later, like a time bomb. 
    The article talks about the German health minister..but you stuck to this guy from Cologne (very pretty city by the way)..
    ''why don't any of us on this board suffer from these side effects?''..really now??.. is that example if some people suffering from those??..
    there are side effects you like it or not..some people experience with this and some people doesn't..if you or anyone else you know dosen't have any issues that doesn't mean the problem is not real..
    EVEN ONE DEATH IN BILLION DOSES IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!!!!
    Anesthesia has a death rate of 1/100k.  Is that a daily crime against humanity? How many medicines have a zero death rate?  None.  
    I made anesthesia once and i was so scared the previous night, lol..it's not the same and you know that..
    Explain to me how that's not the same.  The death rate for women on birth control pill due to clots is about 5/10,000.  How is that any different than the risks with the vaccine?  
    Birth control pill wasn't mandatory. Why is that so hard to understand?
    neither was the vaccine. did someone hold you down and administer it? why is that so hard to understand?
    Let's be fair here and acknowledge that some people had to get the vaccine to keep their employment, travel, etc....  I know people that took it only to keep their jobs. 
    I know. I was one of them. I get the argument he is making. But it wasn't LITERALLY forced. there was still a choice. a shit choice? yeah, but a choice nonetheless. 
    What was your choice Huge if you don't get it??
    lose my job. 
    So, blackmail..
    that's not blackmail. 
    What was it??

    a condition of employment.
    In my part of the world call it blacmail..
    You have ignored countless people on here who have explained to you, with evidence, how and why reduced symptoms led to reduced spread. You may consider reducing the spread of a pandemic by imposing a minuscule risk of any complication (not a lethal one) on employed citizens to be illegitimate - I consider that attitude selfish as fuck. Must be cultural differences between 'your part of the world' and mine.

    Other risks we willingly accept: 
    Building codes in Ontario accept calculations yielding a 1 in 2 million odds of failure (a terrible imposition from the government - we should all abandon our homes instead)
    The odds of tripping and dying in the shower are something like 1 in 700,000 (who can accept this? BAN ALL SHOWERS) 
    Exposure to drunk drivers on the road or violent carriers of firearms on the streets (whatever the odds are, expect them to be way worse if you're not Caucasian)
    Being stampeded to death at a Pearl Jam concert: 9 died at Roskilde. As of September 2021 (according to ChatGPT) PJ had played over 1,200 shows. Assuming 30,000 seats per venue, that's 70,000,000 attendees, or more than 1 in 10 million odds of death. Should Pearl Jam have stopped touring when they saw a fatality occur? For that matter, should all music events be banned?
    What about swimming pools and air travel? 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,953
    AW124797 said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    mickeyrat said:
    23scidoo said:
    23scidoo said:
    23scidoo said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    Oh, Children's Health Defense. Featuring Robert F. Kennedy as the Chairman of the Board. Are you as high as he is to support this crock of shit, four years in?

    As for the Nonclinical Evaluation of BNT162b2 that's 58 pages long - are you suggesting that for some reason you, with the controversial opinion, want us, with mountains of evidence, to scrutinize this two-year-old Nonclinical Evaluation to somehow prove you right? Give me a break. Or a damn page number. 
    Milk Chocolate Break ION 85g  e-Freshgr
    Is this Greece's Kit Kat alternative? I'm going to Santorini and Athens later this summer, will have to check it out!
    It's not so good..Santorini??..which month??..prepare to pay everything as made of gold..we have much better islands to visit..
    and the famous sunset is οverpriced..bad beaches..have fun anyway..first visit to Greece??
    my favourite greek chocolate is..

    ION  Our productsmrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Since you're not American, you can be forgiven for not knowing that Ken Paxson is a complete tool of an AG.  Everything he does is for optics, from busing migrants across teh country, to supporting the ridiculous abortion law that violates several due process clauses.  And NY Post is for people who find Fox News too classy.  So keep following this 'investigation'.  You'll see it goes as far as Cyber Ninjas doing recounts. 
    28th of April was the first civil case..more to come..
    https://www.dw.com/en/post-vac-syndrome-the-forgotten-covid-victims/a-65051748
    who is living in a rabbit hole??..
    If it's so dangerous,  why don't any of us on this board suffer from these side effects? Are the drug companies so bad at their jobs of poisoning us that it affects so few? Strange.  Maybe I shouldn't have taken the jabs considering this guy from Cologne or that bullshit video of that weird lady who was faking it.  Or maybe the side effects are in me,  waiting to come out 3 years later, like a time bomb. 
    The article talks about the German health minister..but you stuck to this guy from Cologne (very pretty city by the way)..
    ''why don't any of us on this board suffer from these side effects?''..really now??.. is that example if some people suffering from those??..
    there are side effects you like it or not..some people experience with this and some people doesn't..if you or anyone else you know dosen't have any issues that doesn't mean the problem is not real..
    EVEN ONE DEATH IN BILLION DOSES IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!!!!
    Anesthesia has a death rate of 1/100k.  Is that a daily crime against humanity? How many medicines have a zero death rate?  None.  
    I made anesthesia once and i was so scared the previous night, lol..it's not the same and you know that..
    Explain to me how that's not the same.  The death rate for women on birth control pill due to clots is about 5/10,000.  How is that any different than the risks with the vaccine?  
    Birth control pill wasn't mandatory. Why is that so hard to understand?
    neither was the vaccine. did someone hold you down and administer it? why is that so hard to understand?
    Let's be fair here and acknowledge that some people had to get the vaccine to keep their employment, travel, etc....  I know people that took it only to keep their jobs. 
    I know. I was one of them. I get the argument he is making. But it wasn't LITERALLY forced. there was still a choice. a shit choice? yeah, but a choice nonetheless. 
    What was your choice Huge if you don't get it??
    lose my job. 
    So, blackmail..
    that's not blackmail. 
    What was it??

    a condition of employment.
    In my part of the world call it blacmail..
    You have ignored countless people on here who have explained to you, with evidence, how and why reduced symptoms led to reduced spread. You may consider reducing the spread of a pandemic by imposing a minuscule risk of any complication (not a lethal one) on employed citizens to be illegitimate - I consider that attitude selfish as fuck. Must be cultural differences between 'your part of the world' and mine.

    Other risks we willingly accept: 
    Building codes in Ontario accept calculations yielding a 1 in 2 million odds of failure (a terrible imposition from the government - we should all abandon our homes instead)
    The odds of tripping and dying in the shower are something like 1 in 700,000 (who can accept this? BAN ALL SHOWERS) 
    Exposure to drunk drivers on the road or violent carriers of firearms on the streets (whatever the odds are, expect them to be way worse if you're not Caucasian)
    Being stampeded to death at a Pearl Jam concert: 9 died at Roskilde. As of September 2021 (according to ChatGPT) PJ had played over 1,200 shows. Assuming 30,000 seats per venue, that's 70,000,000 attendees, or more than 1 in 10 million odds of death. Should Pearl Jam have stopped touring when they saw a fatality occur? For that matter, should all music events be banned?
    What about swimming pools and air travel? 
    The government should stop lying about them and ban them. No good for nobody.
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Posts: 19,223
    23scidoo said:
    mickeyrat said:
    23scidoo said:
    23scidoo said:
    23scidoo said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    Oh, Children's Health Defense. Featuring Robert F. Kennedy as the Chairman of the Board. Are you as high as he is to support this crock of shit, four years in?

    As for the Nonclinical Evaluation of BNT162b2 that's 58 pages long - are you suggesting that for some reason you, with the controversial opinion, want us, with mountains of evidence, to scrutinize this two-year-old Nonclinical Evaluation to somehow prove you right? Give me a break. Or a damn page number. 
    Milk Chocolate Break ION 85g  e-Freshgr
    Is this Greece's Kit Kat alternative? I'm going to Santorini and Athens later this summer, will have to check it out!
    It's not so good..Santorini??..which month??..prepare to pay everything as made of gold..we have much better islands to visit..
    and the famous sunset is οverpriced..bad beaches..have fun anyway..first visit to Greece??
    my favourite greek chocolate is..

    ION  Our productsmrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Since you're not American, you can be forgiven for not knowing that Ken Paxson is a complete tool of an AG.  Everything he does is for optics, from busing migrants across teh country, to supporting the ridiculous abortion law that violates several due process clauses.  And NY Post is for people who find Fox News too classy.  So keep following this 'investigation'.  You'll see it goes as far as Cyber Ninjas doing recounts. 
    28th of April was the first civil case..more to come..
    https://www.dw.com/en/post-vac-syndrome-the-forgotten-covid-victims/a-65051748
    who is living in a rabbit hole??..
    If it's so dangerous,  why don't any of us on this board suffer from these side effects? Are the drug companies so bad at their jobs of poisoning us that it affects so few? Strange.  Maybe I shouldn't have taken the jabs considering this guy from Cologne or that bullshit video of that weird lady who was faking it.  Or maybe the side effects are in me,  waiting to come out 3 years later, like a time bomb. 
    The article talks about the German health minister..but you stuck to this guy from Cologne (very pretty city by the way)..
    ''why don't any of us on this board suffer from these side effects?''..really now??.. is that example if some people suffering from those??..
    there are side effects you like it or not..some people experience with this and some people doesn't..if you or anyone else you know dosen't have any issues that doesn't mean the problem is not real..
    EVEN ONE DEATH IN BILLION DOSES IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!!!!
    Anesthesia has a death rate of 1/100k.  Is that a daily crime against humanity? How many medicines have a zero death rate?  None.  
    I made anesthesia once and i was so scared the previous night, lol..it's not the same and you know that..
    Explain to me how that's not the same.  The death rate for women on birth control pill due to clots is about 5/10,000.  How is that any different than the risks with the vaccine?  
    Birth control pill wasn't mandatory. Why is that so hard to understand?
    neither was the vaccine. did someone hold you down and administer it? why is that so hard to understand?
    Let's be fair here and acknowledge that some people had to get the vaccine to keep their employment, travel, etc....  I know people that took it only to keep their jobs. 
    I know. I was one of them. I get the argument he is making. But it wasn't LITERALLY forced. there was still a choice. a shit choice? yeah, but a choice nonetheless. 
    What was your choice Huge if you don't get it??
    lose my job. 
    So, blackmail..
    that's not blackmail. 
    What was it??

    a condition of employment.
    In my part of the world call it blacmail..
    Your part of the world has trouble with definitions then. 
    So Huge, how you call it??..
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Posts: 19,223
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    mickeyrat said:
    23scidoo said:
    23scidoo said:
    23scidoo said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    Oh, Children's Health Defense. Featuring Robert F. Kennedy as the Chairman of the Board. Are you as high as he is to support this crock of shit, four years in?

    As for the Nonclinical Evaluation of BNT162b2 that's 58 pages long - are you suggesting that for some reason you, with the controversial opinion, want us, with mountains of evidence, to scrutinize this two-year-old Nonclinical Evaluation to somehow prove you right? Give me a break. Or a damn page number. 
    Milk Chocolate Break ION 85g  e-Freshgr
    Is this Greece's Kit Kat alternative? I'm going to Santorini and Athens later this summer, will have to check it out!
    It's not so good..Santorini??..which month??..prepare to pay everything as made of gold..we have much better islands to visit..
    and the famous sunset is οverpriced..bad beaches..have fun anyway..first visit to Greece??
    my favourite greek chocolate is..

    ION  Our productsmrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Since you're not American, you can be forgiven for not knowing that Ken Paxson is a complete tool of an AG.  Everything he does is for optics, from busing migrants across teh country, to supporting the ridiculous abortion law that violates several due process clauses.  And NY Post is for people who find Fox News too classy.  So keep following this 'investigation'.  You'll see it goes as far as Cyber Ninjas doing recounts. 
    28th of April was the first civil case..more to come..
    https://www.dw.com/en/post-vac-syndrome-the-forgotten-covid-victims/a-65051748
    who is living in a rabbit hole??..
    If it's so dangerous,  why don't any of us on this board suffer from these side effects? Are the drug companies so bad at their jobs of poisoning us that it affects so few? Strange.  Maybe I shouldn't have taken the jabs considering this guy from Cologne or that bullshit video of that weird lady who was faking it.  Or maybe the side effects are in me,  waiting to come out 3 years later, like a time bomb. 
    The article talks about the German health minister..but you stuck to this guy from Cologne (very pretty city by the way)..
    ''why don't any of us on this board suffer from these side effects?''..really now??.. is that example if some people suffering from those??..
    there are side effects you like it or not..some people experience with this and some people doesn't..if you or anyone else you know dosen't have any issues that doesn't mean the problem is not real..
    EVEN ONE DEATH IN BILLION DOSES IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!!!!
    Anesthesia has a death rate of 1/100k.  Is that a daily crime against humanity? How many medicines have a zero death rate?  None.  
    I made anesthesia once and i was so scared the previous night, lol..it's not the same and you know that..
    Explain to me how that's not the same.  The death rate for women on birth control pill due to clots is about 5/10,000.  How is that any different than the risks with the vaccine?  
    Birth control pill wasn't mandatory. Why is that so hard to understand?
    neither was the vaccine. did someone hold you down and administer it? why is that so hard to understand?
    Let's be fair here and acknowledge that some people had to get the vaccine to keep their employment, travel, etc....  I know people that took it only to keep their jobs. 
    I know. I was one of them. I get the argument he is making. But it wasn't LITERALLY forced. there was still a choice. a shit choice? yeah, but a choice nonetheless. 
    What was your choice Huge if you don't get it??
    lose my job. 
    So, blackmail..
    that's not blackmail. 
    What was it??

    a condition of employment.
    In my part of the world call it blacmail..
    You have ignored countless people on here who have explained to you, with evidence, how and why reduced symptoms led to reduced spread. You may consider reducing the spread of a pandemic by imposing a minuscule risk of any complication (not a lethal one) on employed citizens to be illegitimate - I consider that attitude selfish as fuck. Must be cultural differences between 'your part of the world' and mine.

    Other risks we willingly accept: 
    Building codes in Ontario accept calculations yielding a 1 in 2 million odds of failure (a terrible imposition from the government - we should all abandon our homes instead)
    The odds of tripping and dying in the shower are something like 1 in 700,000 (who can accept this? BAN ALL SHOWERS) 
    Exposure to drunk drivers on the road or violent carriers of firearms on the streets (whatever the odds are, expect them to be way worse if you're not Caucasian)
    Being stampeded to death at a Pearl Jam concert: 9 died at Roskilde. As of September 2021 (according to ChatGPT) PJ had played over 1,200 shows. Assuming 30,000 seats per venue, that's 70,000,000 attendees, or more than 1 in 10 million odds of death. Should Pearl Jam have stopped touring when they saw a fatality occur? For that matter, should all music events be banned?
    Again for thousand time..did they told us that the vaccine is 100% safe and effective??..it was true ??..no..end of storie, anything else is air..is that the PJ example serious??..
    ofcourse we have cultural differences..thank God for that..
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    Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
    EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.

    I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Posts: 19,223
    AW124797 said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    mickeyrat said:
    23scidoo said:
    23scidoo said:
    23scidoo said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    Oh, Children's Health Defense. Featuring Robert F. Kennedy as the Chairman of the Board. Are you as high as he is to support this crock of shit, four years in?

    As for the Nonclinical Evaluation of BNT162b2 that's 58 pages long - are you suggesting that for some reason you, with the controversial opinion, want us, with mountains of evidence, to scrutinize this two-year-old Nonclinical Evaluation to somehow prove you right? Give me a break. Or a damn page number. 
    Milk Chocolate Break ION 85g  e-Freshgr
    Is this Greece's Kit Kat alternative? I'm going to Santorini and Athens later this summer, will have to check it out!
    It's not so good..Santorini??..which month??..prepare to pay everything as made of gold..we have much better islands to visit..
    and the famous sunset is οverpriced..bad beaches..have fun anyway..first visit to Greece??
    my favourite greek chocolate is..

    ION  Our productsmrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Since you're not American, you can be forgiven for not knowing that Ken Paxson is a complete tool of an AG.  Everything he does is for optics, from busing migrants across teh country, to supporting the ridiculous abortion law that violates several due process clauses.  And NY Post is for people who find Fox News too classy.  So keep following this 'investigation'.  You'll see it goes as far as Cyber Ninjas doing recounts. 
    28th of April was the first civil case..more to come..
    https://www.dw.com/en/post-vac-syndrome-the-forgotten-covid-victims/a-65051748
    who is living in a rabbit hole??..
    If it's so dangerous,  why don't any of us on this board suffer from these side effects? Are the drug companies so bad at their jobs of poisoning us that it affects so few? Strange.  Maybe I shouldn't have taken the jabs considering this guy from Cologne or that bullshit video of that weird lady who was faking it.  Or maybe the side effects are in me,  waiting to come out 3 years later, like a time bomb. 
    The article talks about the German health minister..but you stuck to this guy from Cologne (very pretty city by the way)..
    ''why don't any of us on this board suffer from these side effects?''..really now??.. is that example if some people suffering from those??..
    there are side effects you like it or not..some people experience with this and some people doesn't..if you or anyone else you know dosen't have any issues that doesn't mean the problem is not real..
    EVEN ONE DEATH IN BILLION DOSES IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!!!!
    Anesthesia has a death rate of 1/100k.  Is that a daily crime against humanity? How many medicines have a zero death rate?  None.  
    I made anesthesia once and i was so scared the previous night, lol..it's not the same and you know that..
    Explain to me how that's not the same.  The death rate for women on birth control pill due to clots is about 5/10,000.  How is that any different than the risks with the vaccine?  
    Birth control pill wasn't mandatory. Why is that so hard to understand?
    neither was the vaccine. did someone hold you down and administer it? why is that so hard to understand?
    Let's be fair here and acknowledge that some people had to get the vaccine to keep their employment, travel, etc....  I know people that took it only to keep their jobs. 
    I know. I was one of them. I get the argument he is making. But it wasn't LITERALLY forced. there was still a choice. a shit choice? yeah, but a choice nonetheless. 
    What was your choice Huge if you don't get it??
    lose my job. 
    So, blackmail..
    that's not blackmail. 
    What was it??

    a condition of employment.
    In my part of the world call it blacmail..
    You have ignored countless people on here who have explained to you, with evidence, how and why reduced symptoms led to reduced spread. You may consider reducing the spread of a pandemic by imposing a minuscule risk of any complication (not a lethal one) on employed citizens to be illegitimate - I consider that attitude selfish as fuck. Must be cultural differences between 'your part of the world' and mine.

    Other risks we willingly accept: 
    Building codes in Ontario accept calculations yielding a 1 in 2 million odds of failure (a terrible imposition from the government - we should all abandon our homes instead)
    The odds of tripping and dying in the shower are something like 1 in 700,000 (who can accept this? BAN ALL SHOWERS) 
    Exposure to drunk drivers on the road or violent carriers of firearms on the streets (whatever the odds are, expect them to be way worse if you're not Caucasian)
    Being stampeded to death at a Pearl Jam concert: 9 died at Roskilde. As of September 2021 (according to ChatGPT) PJ had played over 1,200 shows. Assuming 30,000 seats per venue, that's 70,000,000 attendees, or more than 1 in 10 million odds of death. Should Pearl Jam have stopped touring when they saw a fatality occur? For that matter, should all music events be banned?
    What about swimming pools and air travel? 
    Walking on big highways has also some risk..
    Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
    Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
    EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.

    I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Posts: 19,223
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    Oh, Children's Health Defense. Featuring Robert F. Kennedy as the Chairman of the Board. Are you as high as he is to support this crock of shit, four years in?

    As for the Nonclinical Evaluation of BNT162b2 that's 58 pages long - are you suggesting that for some reason you, with the controversial opinion, want us, with mountains of evidence, to scrutinize this two-year-old Nonclinical Evaluation to somehow prove you right? Give me a break. Or a damn page number. 
    Milk Chocolate Break ION 85g  e-Freshgr
    Is this Greece's Kit Kat alternative? I'm going to Santorini and Athens later this summer, will have to check it out!
    It's not so good..Santorini??..which month??..prepare to pay everything as made of gold..we have much better islands to visit..
    and the famous sunset is οverpriced..bad beaches..have fun anyway..first visit to Greece??
    my favourite greek chocolate is..

    ION  Our productsmrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Since you're not American, you can be forgiven for not knowing that Ken Paxson is a complete tool of an AG.  Everything he does is for optics, from busing migrants across teh country, to supporting the ridiculous abortion law that violates several due process clauses.  And NY Post is for people who find Fox News too classy.  So keep following this 'investigation'.  You'll see it goes as far as Cyber Ninjas doing recounts. 
    28th of April was the first civil case..more to come..
    https://www.dw.com/en/post-vac-syndrome-the-forgotten-covid-victims/a-65051748
    who is living in a rabbit hole??..
    If it's so dangerous,  why don't any of us on this board suffer from these side effects? Are the drug companies so bad at their jobs of poisoning us that it affects so few? Strange.  Maybe I shouldn't have taken the jabs considering this guy from Cologne or that bullshit video of that weird lady who was faking it.  Or maybe the side effects are in me,  waiting to come out 3 years later, like a time bomb. 
    The article talks about the German health minister..but you stuck to this guy from Cologne (very pretty city by the way)..
    ''why don't any of us on this board suffer from these side effects?''..really now??.. is that example if some people suffering from those??..
    there are side effects you like it or not..some people experience with this and some people doesn't..if you or anyone else you know dosen't have any issues that doesn't mean the problem is not real..
    EVEN ONE DEATH IN BILLION DOSES IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!!!!
    Anesthesia has a death rate of 1/100k.  Is that a daily crime against humanity? How many medicines have a zero death rate?  None.  
    I made anesthesia once and i was so scared the previous night, lol..it's not the same and you know that..
    Explain to me how that's not the same.  The death rate for women on birth control pill due to clots is about 5/10,000.  How is that any different than the risks with the vaccine?  
    Birth control pill wasn't mandatory. Why is that so hard to understand?
    neither was the vaccine. did someone hold you down and administer it? why is that so hard to understand?
    ''neither was the vaccine''??..you must be kidding or short memory..
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Posts: 19,223
    Nuremberg Code, point number 10..

    During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Posts: 19,223
    Some crazy scientists from the north..

    https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Posts: 19,223
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Posts: 19,223
    23scidoo said:
    23scidoo said:
    23scidoo said:
    AW124797 said:
    weird the anti vaxxers/conspiracy theorists don't seem to care about the millions of deaths prevented by the vaccine. 
    Oh, sure. Prevented millions of deaths, billions of hospitalizations, but couldn't stop covid transmission. 
    Another big lie..''protect the elders''..lol


    Do you have proof its a lie? Please share. 
    since it has been proven that even if you vaccinate you transmit the virus..are you living in another universe??..
    and now think..how many vaccinate people get the virus with mild symptoms, they didn't know they had the virus and spread it??..
    first, you chastise people all the time here for being what you perceive as "nasty" or even sarcastic. 

    second, I'm not sure how many times this has to be explained:

    -the vaccine will often mitigate symptoms
    -if you aren't symptomatic, you are less likely to spread it. 

    you understand that sneezing as opposed to just plain breathing tends to be worse for spreading viruses, don't you?
    My character is me..my behavior is you..
    😂 so i suppose that applies to every other perdon every time you’ve whined about people being “big meanies” to you then, wouldn’t it. 
    this goes to those who consider themselves smart and someone else not even if they haven't even seen him..οr because just have different opinion..but i have grow up in the country who born democracy and principles like this..

    I might disagree with your opinion -Voltaire 600x400  rQuotesPorn
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Posts: 19,223
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    23scidoo said:
    he doesn't seem to care that it saved millions of lives. all he cares about is the "lies" he believes were told. 
    I care but..
    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/11/vaccinated-spread-the-coronavirus/620650/
    ςWhat happens here Huge, no comments??..
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.20.21265137v1
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,610
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    Oh, Children's Health Defense. Featuring Robert F. Kennedy as the Chairman of the Board. Are you as high as he is to support this crock of shit, four years in?

    As for the Nonclinical Evaluation of BNT162b2 that's 58 pages long - are you suggesting that for some reason you, with the controversial opinion, want us, with mountains of evidence, to scrutinize this two-year-old Nonclinical Evaluation to somehow prove you right? Give me a break. Or a damn page number. 
    Milk Chocolate Break ION 85g  e-Freshgr
    Is this Greece's Kit Kat alternative? I'm going to Santorini and Athens later this summer, will have to check it out!
    It's not so good..Santorini??..which month??..prepare to pay everything as made of gold..we have much better islands to visit..
    and the famous sunset is οverpriced..bad beaches..have fun anyway..first visit to Greece??
    my favourite greek chocolate is..

    ION  Our productsmrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Since you're not American, you can be forgiven for not knowing that Ken Paxson is a complete tool of an AG.  Everything he does is for optics, from busing migrants across teh country, to supporting the ridiculous abortion law that violates several due process clauses.  And NY Post is for people who find Fox News too classy.  So keep following this 'investigation'.  You'll see it goes as far as Cyber Ninjas doing recounts. 
    28th of April was the first civil case..more to come..
    https://www.dw.com/en/post-vac-syndrome-the-forgotten-covid-victims/a-65051748
    who is living in a rabbit hole??..
    If it's so dangerous,  why don't any of us on this board suffer from these side effects? Are the drug companies so bad at their jobs of poisoning us that it affects so few? Strange.  Maybe I shouldn't have taken the jabs considering this guy from Cologne or that bullshit video of that weird lady who was faking it.  Or maybe the side effects are in me,  waiting to come out 3 years later, like a time bomb. 
    The article talks about the German health minister..but you stuck to this guy from Cologne (very pretty city by the way)..
    ''why don't any of us on this board suffer from these side effects?''..really now??.. is that example if some people suffering from those??..
    there are side effects you like it or not..some people experience with this and some people doesn't..if you or anyone else you know dosen't have any issues that doesn't mean the problem is not real..
    EVEN ONE DEATH IN BILLION DOSES IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!!!!
    Anesthesia has a death rate of 1/100k.  Is that a daily crime against humanity? How many medicines have a zero death rate?  None.  
    I made anesthesia once and i was so scared the previous night, lol..it's not the same and you know that..
    Explain to me how that's not the same.  The death rate for women on birth control pill due to clots is about 5/10,000.  How is that any different than the risks with the vaccine?  
    Birth control pill wasn't mandatory. Why is that so hard to understand?
    Did the gov't make you get the vaccine?  My state and federal gov't didn't. 

    However, we were made to get the Polio vaccine, as every child has had to do since the 50s, in order to attend public school.  The rate of anaphylaxis attributed to that vaccine is 2 per million doses.  This has led to deaths each year.  Considering our friend's very scientific statement that even ONE DEATH IN A BILLION DOSES IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY, it seems quite clear that the word has been committing these crimes since the 50's.  

    And you are a victim, since I'm sure you have had the polio vaccine.  And if you have kids, well then you're obviously a criminal too. 
    Polio vaccine has nothing to do with this Mickey Mouse jab. Pointless argument. 
    Why?  The polio vaccine was tested literally on children, quickly, and rolled out to all school children in the US in the matter of a year.  And now it's mandatory.  Why is there not an equivalency?  
    Night and day. Polio vaccine was effective and Covid shots were ineffective, but great as a feelgood factor among some. 
    Ok great.  So if the covid shots were more effective, you would have agreed with all of the efforts by the US gov't these last few years, correct?
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,610
    23scidoo said:
    he doesn't seem to care that it saved millions of lives. all he cares about is the "lies" he believes were told. 
    I care but..
    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/11/vaccinated-spread-the-coronavirus/620650/
    I feel like you didn't actually read what you posted.  This article 100% supports what everyone here has been saying.  Maybe you should read it with a different lens if you think it's anti-vaccine.  
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,744
    AW124797 said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    mickeyrat said:
    23scidoo said:
    23scidoo said:
    23scidoo said:
    AW124797 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    benjs said:
    23scidoo said:
    Oh, Children's Health Defense. Featuring Robert F. Kennedy as the Chairman of the Board. Are you as high as he is to support this crock of shit, four years in?

    As for the Nonclinical Evaluation of BNT162b2 that's 58 pages long - are you suggesting that for some reason you, with the controversial opinion, want us, with mountains of evidence, to scrutinize this two-year-old Nonclinical Evaluation to somehow prove you right? Give me a break. Or a damn page number. 
    Milk Chocolate Break ION 85g  e-Freshgr
    Is this Greece's Kit Kat alternative? I'm going to Santorini and Athens later this summer, will have to check it out!
    It's not so good..Santorini??..which month??..prepare to pay everything as made of gold..we have much better islands to visit..
    and the famous sunset is οverpriced..bad beaches..have fun anyway..first visit to Greece??
    my favourite greek chocolate is..

    ION  Our productsmrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    Since you're not American, you can be forgiven for not knowing that Ken Paxson is a complete tool of an AG.  Everything he does is for optics, from busing migrants across teh country, to supporting the ridiculous abortion law that violates several due process clauses.  And NY Post is for people who find Fox News too classy.  So keep following this 'investigation'.  You'll see it goes as far as Cyber Ninjas doing recounts. 
    28th of April was the first civil case..more to come..
    https://www.dw.com/en/post-vac-syndrome-the-forgotten-covid-victims/a-65051748
    who is living in a rabbit hole??..
    If it's so dangerous,  why don't any of us on this board suffer from these side effects? Are the drug companies so bad at their jobs of poisoning us that it affects so few? Strange.  Maybe I shouldn't have taken the jabs considering this guy from Cologne or that bullshit video of that weird lady who was faking it.  Or maybe the side effects are in me,  waiting to come out 3 years later, like a time bomb. 
    The article talks about the German health minister..but you stuck to this guy from Cologne (very pretty city by the way)..
    ''why don't any of us on this board suffer from these side effects?''..really now??.. is that example if some people suffering from those??..
    there are side effects you like it or not..some people experience with this and some people doesn't..if you or anyone else you know dosen't have any issues that doesn't mean the problem is not real..
    EVEN ONE DEATH IN BILLION DOSES IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!!!!
    Anesthesia has a death rate of 1/100k.  Is that a daily crime against humanity? How many medicines have a zero death rate?  None.  
    I made anesthesia once and i was so scared the previous night, lol..it's not the same and you know that..
    Explain to me how that's not the same.  The death rate for women on birth control pill due to clots is about 5/10,000.  How is that any different than the risks with the vaccine?  
    Birth control pill wasn't mandatory. Why is that so hard to understand?
    neither was the vaccine. did someone hold you down and administer it? why is that so hard to understand?
    Let's be fair here and acknowledge that some people had to get the vaccine to keep their employment, travel, etc....  I know people that took it only to keep their jobs. 
    I know. I was one of them. I get the argument he is making. But it wasn't LITERALLY forced. there was still a choice. a shit choice? yeah, but a choice nonetheless. 
    What was your choice Huge if you don't get it??
    lose my job. 
    So, blackmail..
    that's not blackmail. 
    What was it??

    a condition of employment.
    In my part of the world call it blacmail..
    You have ignored countless people on here who have explained to you, with evidence, how and why reduced symptoms led to reduced spread. You may consider reducing the spread of a pandemic by imposing a minuscule risk of any complication (not a lethal one) on employed citizens to be illegitimate - I consider that attitude selfish as fuck. Must be cultural differences between 'your part of the world' and mine.

    Other risks we willingly accept: 
    Building codes in Ontario accept calculations yielding a 1 in 2 million odds of failure (a terrible imposition from the government - we should all abandon our homes instead)
    The odds of tripping and dying in the shower are something like 1 in 700,000 (who can accept this? BAN ALL SHOWERS) 
    Exposure to drunk drivers on the road or violent carriers of firearms on the streets (whatever the odds are, expect them to be way worse if you're not Caucasian)
    Being stampeded to death at a Pearl Jam concert: 9 died at Roskilde. As of September 2021 (according to ChatGPT) PJ had played over 1,200 shows. Assuming 30,000 seats per venue, that's 70,000,000 attendees, or more than 1 in 10 million odds of death. Should Pearl Jam have stopped touring when they saw a fatality occur? For that matter, should all music events be banned?
    What about swimming pools and air travel? 
    In both situations there should be more guns and less doors.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,060
    23scidoo said:
    23scidoo said:
    he doesn't seem to care that it saved millions of lives. all he cares about is the "lies" he believes were told. 
    I care but..
    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/11/vaccinated-spread-the-coronavirus/620650/
    ςWhat happens here Huge, no comments??..
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.20.21265137v1
    Whoopsies:

    However, despite its magnitude, the outbreak was restricted in its onward impact in MA and the US, likely due to high vaccination rates and a robust public health response.

  • 23scidoo23scidoo Posts: 19,223
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    he doesn't seem to care that it saved millions of lives. all he cares about is the "lies" he believes were told. 
    I care but..
    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/11/vaccinated-spread-the-coronavirus/620650/
    I feel like you didn't actually read what you posted.  This article 100% supports what everyone here has been saying.  Maybe you should read it with a different lens if you think it's anti-vaccine.  
    If you find one antivaccine post from me i'll buy you a cheeseburger from McDonald's..after 3 years you still don't get my point..
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,610
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    he doesn't seem to care that it saved millions of lives. all he cares about is the "lies" he believes were told. 
    I care but..
    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/11/vaccinated-spread-the-coronavirus/620650/
    I feel like you didn't actually read what you posted.  This article 100% supports what everyone here has been saying.  Maybe you should read it with a different lens if you think it's anti-vaccine.  
    If you find one antivaccine post from me i'll buy you a cheeseburger from McDonald's..after 3 years you still don't get my point..
    Then summarize it.  I certainly don't know what it is at this point. 
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Posts: 19,223
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    he doesn't seem to care that it saved millions of lives. all he cares about is the "lies" he believes were told. 
    I care but..
    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/11/vaccinated-spread-the-coronavirus/620650/
    I feel like you didn't actually read what you posted.  This article 100% supports what everyone here has been saying.  Maybe you should read it with a different lens if you think it's anti-vaccine.  
    If you find one antivaccine post from me i'll buy you a cheeseburger from McDonald's..after 3 years you still don't get my point..
    Then summarize it.  I certainly don't know what it is at this point. 
    I'll do it for last time..
    first lie..the virus came from the market..they knew it it was man made..please don't te;ll otherwise..
    second lie..vaccines are 100% safe and effective..bullshit..
    people lost their jobs and scientists lost their reputations because they expressed a different opinion..others were called crazy and others conspiracy theorists..
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Posts: 19,223
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,610
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    he doesn't seem to care that it saved millions of lives. all he cares about is the "lies" he believes were told. 
    I care but..
    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/11/vaccinated-spread-the-coronavirus/620650/
    I feel like you didn't actually read what you posted.  This article 100% supports what everyone here has been saying.  Maybe you should read it with a different lens if you think it's anti-vaccine.  
    If you find one antivaccine post from me i'll buy you a cheeseburger from McDonald's..after 3 years you still don't get my point..
    Then summarize it.  I certainly don't know what it is at this point. 
    I'll do it for last time..
    first lie..the virus came from the market..they knew it it was man made..please don't te;ll otherwise..
    second lie..vaccines are 100% safe and effective..bullshit..
    people lost their jobs and scientists lost their reputations because they expressed a different opinion..others were called crazy and others conspiracy theorists..
    So let's pull this apart one thing at a time:

    RE:  "man made" vs "naturally occurring "

    1. When you say "they knew it was man made", who precisely is "they" and when precisely did "they know"?
    2. Let's say your statement is true (whoever "they" may be), what do you think your gov't or the US gov't should have done differently as a public health response, with that knowledge?  Would they have not had mask mandates?  Would the virus have killed fewer people.  Tell me how the public response would have changed.  


  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,610
    RE: Safe and effective

    1. What is the actual safety rate of the vaccine?  What would it have needed to be for you to get the vaccine?

    2. What is the final efficacy rate of the virus against the original strain (for which it was developed)?  What would that number have needed to be for you to support the vaccine distribution?
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,342
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    mrussel1 said:
    23scidoo said:
    he doesn't seem to care that it saved millions of lives. all he cares about is the "lies" he believes were told. 
    I care but..
    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/11/vaccinated-spread-the-coronavirus/620650/
    I feel like you didn't actually read what you posted.  This article 100% supports what everyone here has been saying.  Maybe you should read it with a different lens if you think it's anti-vaccine.  
    If you find one antivaccine post from me i'll buy you a cheeseburger from McDonald's..after 3 years you still don't get my point..
    Then summarize it.  I certainly don't know what it is at this point. 
    I'll do it for last time..
    first lie..the virus came from the market..they knew it it was man made..please don't te;ll otherwise..
    second lie..vaccines are 100% safe and effective..bullshit..
    people lost their jobs and scientists lost their reputations because they expressed a different opinion..others were called crazy and others conspiracy theorists..
    So let's pull this apart one thing at a time:

    RE:  "man made" vs "naturally occurring "

    1. When you say "they knew it was man made", who precisely is "they" and when precisely did "they know"?
    2. Let's say your statement is true (whoever "they" may be), what do you think your gov't or the US gov't should have done differently as a public health response, with that knowledge?  Would they have not had mask mandates?  Would the virus have killed fewer people.  Tell me how the public response would have changed.  


    My views are probably in between you 2, but I'll answer.

    I'm not convinced they (the government and those working for them) knew it was from a lab early on. But they sure weren't open to the idea for a very long time. Many would call you racist for even suggesting it. Turns out, 2 years later seems like the likely cause. So they could have, and should have been more open to it than just shoving the wet market idea down on us.

    They did announce the vaccine as something like 95% effective and say you will not even get it. Within a few months that changed to it just reduces the symptoms. A lot of people seem to forget that initial promise to us. I don't know what they should have done differently, they had limited data in a short time. I'm just acknowledging their stance on how effective it was did change quite a lot.
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