PJ fans in 12 step Recovery

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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,172
    mickeyrat said:
    how was this first for you?

    um....well.....er.....uh.....

    my quest for sobriety has not been 100%. it was for maybe the first 50 days or so. since then, I have drank on very infrequent occasions. I have NOT gotten shitfaced drunk or wasted any complete days due to hangovers. when I have drank, I’ve been very conscious to “pace myself” and stop before I reach the “point of no return.”

    I have not been perfect but I know I have made a positive change and I’m happy with myself. whether my future is as a total abstainer or a “responsible” drinker, time will tell... 
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,557
    Wobbie said:
    mickeyrat said:
    how was this first for you?

    um....well.....er.....uh.....

    my quest for sobriety has not been 100%. it was for maybe the first 50 days or so. since then, I have drank on very infrequent occasions. I have NOT gotten shitfaced drunk or wasted any complete days due to hangovers. when I have drank, I’ve been very conscious to “pace myself” and stop before I reach the “point of no return.”

    I have not been perfect but I know I have made a positive change and I’m happy with myself. whether my future is as a total abstainer or a “responsible” drinker, time will tell... 
    whats important here is you recognized where alcohol has been a problem for you and sought to address it.  if that means a significant break to stop the habitual nature of when and how you drink then its a success. just be aware when it may bleed back into your old "normal" and that awareness may occur after the fact.

    if you find you have slipped back into frequency/quanity it may show you should probably abstain.

    in either case your presence is still welcome here to help keep you on the more social end of partaking......
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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,172
    ^^^^ You are spot on. it was the habitual/frequecy/quantity that had to change....and it has.

    as the mantra goes, “one day at a time.”
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
  • Im on day 20 and its  very hard
    brixton 93
    astoria 06
    albany 06
    hartford 06
    reading 06
    barcelona 06
    paris 06
    wembley 07
    dusseldorf 07
    nijmegen 07

    this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,557
    I will suggest if you cant get to any support meetings such as AA in person, you explore that online. For real. Immensely helpful to me.
    Just do not be turned off by god talk. 99 times out of 100 its not religious in intent. you get to chose your own conception of what "god" means for you.
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • Friday's  i go to a meeting but it seems to be full  of people still using and from what i see are not even trying. Its not AA. But  a place called spectrum.  
    I like wobbie wasn't  in any trouble from drink  or drinking  volumes. 
    But it was a habit and too frequent.
    I will continue  like this see what happens. 
    There is no way i could do AA. I have no god or even a concept of any higher being whatsoever.
    I do have a strong  will and what i have learned already is  drink is poison i want to be free of any poison.
    brixton 93
    astoria 06
    albany 06
    hartford 06
    reading 06
    barcelona 06
    paris 06
    wembley 07
    dusseldorf 07
    nijmegen 07

    this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,557
    Friday's  i go to a meeting but it seems to be full  of people still using and from what i see are not even trying. Its not AA. But  a place called spectrum.  
    I like wobbie wasn't  in any trouble from drink  or drinking  volumes. 
    But it was a habit and too frequent.
    I will continue  like this see what happens. 
    There is no way i could do AA. I have no god or even a concept of any higher being whatsoever.
    I do have a strong  will and what i have learned already is  drink is poison i want to be free of any poison.
    and you dont have to have a godlike higher power. the group or the program can be that in itself.....
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    Friday's  i go to a meeting but it seems to be full  of people still using and from what i see are not even trying. Its not AA. But  a place called spectrum.  
    I like wobbie wasn't  in any trouble from drink  or drinking  volumes. 
    But it was a habit and too frequent.
    I will continue  like this see what happens. 
    There is no way i could do AA. I have no god or even a concept of any higher being whatsoever.
    I do have a strong  will and what i have learned already is  drink is poison i want to be free of any poison.
    I don’t want to push you into something you don’t want to do, but could you consider Nature your higher power? You’ve posted about your allotment many times - it seems like it’s a source of strength and comfort for you. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • Yes i like my allotment  but  its only a hobby
    brixton 93
    astoria 06
    albany 06
    hartford 06
    reading 06
    barcelona 06
    paris 06
    wembley 07
    dusseldorf 07
    nijmegen 07

    this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,557
    Well for me the universe is a power greater than myself. And I now know I have a firm place in it. That wasnt always the case.
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • Interesting.  Im not saying  it doesn't  work or anything.  Why didn't  you think you had a place in the universe?
    brixton 93
    astoria 06
    albany 06
    hartford 06
    reading 06
    barcelona 06
    paris 06
    wembley 07
    dusseldorf 07
    nijmegen 07

    this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
  • HobbesHobbes Posts: 6,423
    For a secular and science-based approach, may I suggest Smart Recovery.

    https://www.smartrecovery.org/

    Approach, principles, and methods:

    https://www.smartrecovery.org/about-us/
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,557
    Interesting.  Im not saying  it doesn't  work or anything.  Why didn't  you think you had a place in the universe?
    irrational feeling that it was so.....

    abject lonliness is a motherfucker
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Last week, I went to a smallish family gathering.  Everyone was drinking wine, no big deal for me.  Woohoo!

    (I did have an edible beforehand.)

    During the evening, my mom came up to me with a glass of red in her hand, and leaned in to say something.

    I got a whiff of that wine - so distinctive! - and it brought back such a flood of memories and associations.  It continually surprises and amazes me, how powerful the olfactory sense is on the mind and recollections.  It was just this...whoosh of emotions.  And it was alright.

    Rob, congratulations on over a month (?) now without alcohol.

    And Wob, best of luck tomorrow.  I told my husband that Super Bowl Sunday must be the largest annual ingestion of beer :hug:
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    My husband's getting ready for work and there's an old Seinfeld on - "The Red Dot".  Jerry goes into talking about being on and off the wagon, and we decided that whether off or on, that goddamn wagon is always there.

    You may be like the dog in Vacation, tied to it and dragged along, or keep huffing away to keep up with it.  But you're still bound to it.

    For life.

    Thank goodness we can laugh about this shit.
  • the drummer of the Tea Party does this thing every year, a cleanse, the 90 day sobriety challenge. he usually does this leading up to a tour, so he can get in shape. He usually adds a running regimen along with it. I decided to hop on the train, so I'm at day 5. No big deal, right? well yesterday I found out my 13 year old daughter has a boyfriend and they were texting about pornhub. 

    JFC. I sure could have used a few Crown Royals last night. MFer. 
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  • Man im at 2 months and that is a pressure situation. Well done
    brixton 93
    astoria 06
    albany 06
    hartford 06
    reading 06
    barcelona 06
    paris 06
    wembley 07
    dusseldorf 07
    nijmegen 07

    this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,557
    edited February 2020
    in Canada for our twice yearly retreat/conference up here. RIGHT on Lake Erie at Holy Family Retreat House



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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • deadendpdeadendp Posts: 10,434
    ^^ Are you freezing to death up there?  NEO is a bit chilly. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,557
    30. was colder at home.  very windy on the ride up.
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,557
    our view this weekend..

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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • FifthelementFifthelement Posts: 6,961
    ^^^ that looks very peaceful.
    "What the CANUCK happened?!? - Esquimalt Barber Shop
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,557
    ^^^ that looks very peaceful.
    it is. didnt see them , wasnt outside much too cold but was told by staff theres a pair. of bald eagles nesting near by. hope to catch sight this july
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,557
    If your local intergroups or meetings haven't made arrangements to keep holding meeting someway, look into https://myrecovery.com, https://intheroom.com both are hosting online video meetings.

    Keep in touch with your local support network. Look after your older members, or even go OLD SCHOOL early days AA and have small in home meetings!!!!!

    And of course , we can have a meeting here
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    I haven't been to another meeting since the one last year, but it's good to know there are options for those who may need it.

    Somewhat related, we just watched a documentary film on youtube about Missio.  They were one of the bands whose lyrics about sobriety really helped me (Middle Fingers, Rad Drugz).  Well, one member, supposedly clean for a while now, confessed he couldn't remember the last time he was sober.  He's been getting fucked up regularly all this time, and no one knew - not even his musical partner/brother.

    It so disappointed me (and coincidentally or not, I became extremely nauseous after that part), and made me feel for the weight of his guilt in lying to so many, including those like me who have taken comfort and inspiration from them.

    Then again, the music itself helped me; that doesn't change, thankfully.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,557

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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,557
     A.A. Saved My Life. Can It Work Online? https://nyti.ms/3bKXoPT

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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,557
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • HobbesHobbes Posts: 6,423
    Congrats, mick!
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    That's fantastic, mickey.

    And kudos to all who've been able to abstain during one of the world's shakiest times.
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