i read a few days ago that there was a potential bill that would have the tax rate for ammo for weapons like the ar-15 be 1000%. I can get behind that. you want to shoot up a place, you better run up your credit card first.
Like that would stop them? Credit card debt don’t mean shit when you’re dead or in jail.
At least they might offset some of the potential costs of their carnage.
Back when the 2A was written, only wealthy people owned firearms. For you originalists out there.
So it should still be an elitest thing?
You should pay a tax on your hobby to help offset the costs associated with said hobby.
How “responsible” is a gun owner lacking in gainful employment that doesn’t support owning a gun? Guess we should arm the homeless?
The “elitists” were the “well regulated militia.” So the 2A is flexible as nowhere does it mention costs or having to be affordable. Love the hypocrisy. Life is full of choices.
You're the one that said only rich had guns back in the day.
I said "wealthy," not "elitist." Now you're changing it to "rich." What was considered "rich" back in the day? And how did they afford their firearms?
Wanting to have only the wealthy own firearms becomes a status thing where only the elite, rich can own them.
I'm asking you what was the level of wealth required to own a firearm "back in the day" of the 2A, seeing how you think only the elitists owned them back then. Yes, in my belief, they were "wealthy." Where in the 2A does it say that firearms have to be affordable? Or that you can't tax them or the ammo? Someone on here thinks micro-stamping is out of the question because of the cost, to which I say up to $250 per gun is not to much of a price to pay to track guns used in crime when no weapon is found and potentially be able to hold straw purchasers "responsible" or "responsible" gun owners accountable when their firearms are used in crimes (half of firearms used in crimes that are recovered are stolen).
The 2A has no language regarding cost of firearms or the ammo. So, the 2A is either flexible to the times or its not. You seem to be an originalists (no bans), which brings me back to how did 'Muricans get and keep their firearms when the 2A was written and how is it that they could afford them? Mass production didn't exist yet. What level of wealth made them "elitists?"
All I asked is if you wanted to make gun ownership elitist...
But you seem to be unable or unwilling to define “elitist,” particularly in a historical context as it relates to the 2A. Bill Gates is elitist. Someone making $15K or more is not. What’s your definition of elitist and their salary?
Whenever you make something unattainable by taxing it to high heaven and only the wealthy can afford it I'd say that would be elitist.
In but one example, is adding $250 to the cost of a firearm for micro-stamping making it an object only “elitists” can afford?
Many a gun would have that firing bin ground down. It's a good idea but not in the grand scheme of things.
Not easy to do for a novice, it’s one more thing to stem the illicit market and it’s not just the firing pin that can be stamped to leave a trace.
How many parts of your car have the vin number or a sequence of letters or numbers that if found, can trace back to the original point of sale, who owned it and the chain of ownership? All because of hit and runs.
Nothing can be done. Nothing. Any excuse. Any.
Every gun leaves a signature as it is.
We've offered other solutions.
If microstamping made you feel better then I say go for it.
I'm not sure you understand the technology or the reason behind it but I'm not the one that needs convincing. Its the "responsible" gun owners that do. When you say "we," who are the we that you refer to as having offered other solutions? I haven't read much of any rational solutions from the pro-gun crowd on here. Wish I could create a 20 question poll with yes/no/maybe/don't know options.
As for the signature? I agree, the size and shape of the entrance and exit wound.
Again, we have offered solutions, not what you like and you said NO, so we move on.
Every guns firing pin and barreling has unique signature marking already, some states require that you register these rifling's when you purchase your gun and some do not. Needless to say they already have a signature.
I think the microstamping looks great on paper.
I'd go after the 21yo purchasing and owning, red flag laws, holding owners responsible for unlocked guns and a waiting list.
You’re on record as ban=bad so I’m assuming you’re against banning assault rifles, which you haven’t stated whether you’d be unable to defend yourself if you didn’t have access to them. Or whether your 2A would be violated if a class of firearm were banned. So, there’s that.
Does the wait list require a number written on your hand with a sharpie? I think you meant waiting period. How long? I’d say 10 business days to cool off and allow for a thorough background check to be conducted at the state, fed, local level. Paid for partially by the ammo tax.
21 year old age limit to buy any firearm, maybe graduated possession by age, training, certification, licensing. Partially paid for with the ammo tax.
Red flag laws with a process for appeal and an independent medical board appointed by both parties in the legislature. Say a pool of 12 are appointed, 6 by each side, 3 are randomly selected and kept anonymous to assess and determine whether the person is mentally fit to possess firearms, both prosecutors and defendants can appeal to the full board where majority rules. Further appeals to a court, defendant doesn’t pay. Partially paid for by the ammo tax.
Holding owners accountable for their firearms equates to jail time for me. You don’t lock them up and they get stolen and you don’t report it in a timely manner and they’re used in a crime or found related to criminal activities, you go to jail. Your kid shoots your spouse or kid? You go to jail. The friend of your kid shoot’s themselves, your kid or someone else? You and/or your kid go to jail. You’re a podunk gun seller and someone drives through your front door to your gun store and makes off with a shit ton of guns? You’re going to jail.
Keep stats on all of it, report out to the taxpayers annually after the first three years and allow for tweaks on what doesn’t work well or needs adjustment. Red flags need to be evidence based to prevent false accusations and harassment. Waiting periods could be reduced if data shows they come in quicker but are accurate and still prevent those who shouldn’t legally purchase from doing so.
See? I think we have common ground but I don’t think you’re serious and wouldn’t want “responsible” gun owners to be held accountable by jumping through hoops, or being inconvenienced or paying a tax or for some other reason because I don’t believe that you think they’re part of the problem. And that’s why nothing will change. We can argue the finer points and details but we have to start somewhere. Have you called your senators and asked them to brow beat their repub colleagues?
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i read a few days ago that there was a potential bill that would have the tax rate for ammo for weapons like the ar-15 be 1000%. I can get behind that. you want to shoot up a place, you better run up your credit card first.
I think that’s incredibly stupid, and should be illegal if it isn’t. You can get out of contracts if it’s deemed too demanding, interest rates on loans are only allowed so far. This also opens the door to tax anything you don’t like. Why not tax alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or even abortions 1000% then? They’d just argue it’s still legal to get an abortion. Seems like you’re opening Pandora’s box when you play this game.
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i read a few days ago that there was a potential bill that would have the tax rate for ammo for weapons like the ar-15 be 1000%. I can get behind that. you want to shoot up a place, you better run up your credit card first.
I think that’s incredibly stupid, and should be illegal if it isn’t. You can get out of contracts if it’s deemed too demanding, interest rates on loans are only allowed so far. This also opens the door to tax anything you don’t like. Why not tax alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or even abortions 1000% then? They’d just argue it’s still legal to get an abortion. Seems like you’re opening Pandora’s box when you play this game.
Except that alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, and abortions (unless you actually believe an embryo is a person) only kill those who use them on themselves. Big difference.
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i read a few days ago that there was a potential bill that would have the tax rate for ammo for weapons like the ar-15 be 1000%. I can get behind that. you want to shoot up a place, you better run up your credit card first.
I think that’s incredibly stupid, and should be illegal if it isn’t. You can get out of contracts if it’s deemed too demanding, interest rates on loans are only allowed so far. This also opens the door to tax anything you don’t like. Why not tax alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or even abortions 1000% then? They’d just argue it’s still legal to get an abortion. Seems like you’re opening Pandora’s box when you play this game.
Maybe peg it to the predatory lending interest rate? But I’m sure you’d have an issue with that too.
i read a few days ago that there was a potential bill that would have the tax rate for ammo for weapons like the ar-15 be 1000%. I can get behind that. you want to shoot up a place, you better run up your credit card first.
I think that’s incredibly stupid, and should be illegal if it isn’t. You can get out of contracts if it’s deemed too demanding, interest rates on loans are only allowed so far. This also opens the door to tax anything you don’t like. Why not tax alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or even abortions 1000% then? They’d just argue it’s still legal to get an abortion. Seems like you’re opening Pandora’s box when you play this game.
i am an ideas person. what is your solution? fact is we have a huge problem of gun violence in this country. even worse that one side of the political spectrum does not even recognize it as a problem. they view it as the cost of living in a free society.
these people want guns and ammo, then they have to pay for it. the constitution does not mention ammo, so it should not be protected under the 2nd amendment.
also, abortion is about to be illegal anyway, so why tax that at 1000%?
also, marijuana is still illegal in most places, how you gonna tax that?
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i read a few days ago that there was a potential bill that would have the tax rate for ammo for weapons like the ar-15 be 1000%. I can get behind that. you want to shoot up a place, you better run up your credit card first.
I think that’s incredibly stupid, and should be illegal if it isn’t. You can get out of contracts if it’s deemed too demanding, interest rates on loans are only allowed so far. This also opens the door to tax anything you don’t like. Why not tax alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or even abortions 1000% then? They’d just argue it’s still legal to get an abortion. Seems like you’re opening Pandora’s box when you play this game.
Except that alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, and abortions (unless you actually believe an embryo is a person) only kill those who use them on themselves. Big difference.
I would say alcohol impacts a lot more people than just the person drinking. Drunk driving, increased chance of violence and abuse, etc...
i read a few days ago that there was a potential bill that would have the tax rate for ammo for weapons like the ar-15 be 1000%. I can get behind that. you want to shoot up a place, you better run up your credit card first.
I think that’s incredibly stupid, and should be illegal if it isn’t. You can get out of contracts if it’s deemed too demanding, interest rates on loans are only allowed so far. This also opens the door to tax anything you don’t like. Why not tax alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or even abortions 1000% then? They’d just argue it’s still legal to get an abortion. Seems like you’re opening Pandora’s box when you play this game.
Except that alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, and abortions (unless you actually believe an embryo is a person) only kill those who use them on themselves. Big difference.
I would say alcohol impacts a lot more people than just the person drinking. Drunk driving, increased chance of violence and abuse, etc...
i can see that, but please let me know when alcohol kills a bunch of kids at school. also when parents are afraid to send their kids to school because of alcohol. and definitely let me know when a team of police are too scared to enter a building because alcohol is in there.
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People on both sides of the political spectrum and more so in the middle, want more strict gun laws. Stop the partisan bullshit. WTF. I completely agree with what Matthew Mcconaughey said, and could never say it better. Put him in the national nonpartisan committee to address this and create a bill that everyone can agree on. Put it on the fucking voting ballots for us citizens if the gov can’t compromise. Get the shit done and stop talking…
i read a few days ago that there was a potential bill that would have the tax rate for ammo for weapons like the ar-15 be 1000%. I can get behind that. you want to shoot up a place, you better run up your credit card first.
I think that’s incredibly stupid, and should be illegal if it isn’t. You can get out of contracts if it’s deemed too demanding, interest rates on loans are only allowed so far. This also opens the door to tax anything you don’t like. Why not tax alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or even abortions 1000% then? They’d just argue it’s still legal to get an abortion. Seems like you’re opening Pandora’s box when you play this game.
Except that alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, and abortions (unless you actually believe an embryo is a person) only kill those who use them on themselves. Big difference.
I would say alcohol impacts a lot more people than just the person drinking. Drunk driving, increased chance of violence and abuse, etc...
i can see that, but please let me know when alcohol kills a bunch of kids at school. also when parents are afraid to send their kids to school because of alcohol. and definitely let me know when a team of police are too scared to enter a building because alcohol is in there.
Agree. Was mainly just replying to the one comment in general.
That said, I did look at Google and a site said 10,500 people died a year from drunk driving. A Pew Research site said that there were 13,620 gun murders in 2020.
The two aren’t far off other than perhaps 10,500 may include a lot of deaths by the drunk driver. Most murders are probably personal (someone you know and have a conflict with ) and so there may be a higher chance of getting killed by a drunk driver than a gun.
i read a few days ago that there was a potential bill that would have the tax rate for ammo for weapons like the ar-15 be 1000%. I can get behind that. you want to shoot up a place, you better run up your credit card first.
I think that’s incredibly stupid, and should be illegal if it isn’t. You can get out of contracts if it’s deemed too demanding, interest rates on loans are only allowed so far. This also opens the door to tax anything you don’t like. Why not tax alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or even abortions 1000% then? They’d just argue it’s still legal to get an abortion. Seems like you’re opening Pandora’s box when you play this game.
Except that alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, and abortions (unless you actually believe an embryo is a person) only kill those who use them on themselves. Big difference.
I would say alcohol impacts a lot more people than just the person drinking. Drunk driving, increased chance of violence and abuse, etc...
i can see that, but please let me know when alcohol kills a bunch of kids at school. also when parents are afraid to send their kids to school because of alcohol. and definitely let me know when a team of police are too scared to enter a building because alcohol is in there.
Agree. Was mainly just replying to the one comment in general.
That said, I did look at Google and a site said 10,500 people died a year from drunk driving. A Pew Research site said that there were 13,620 gun murders in 2020.
The two aren’t far off other than perhaps 10,500 may include a lot of deaths by the drunk driver. Most murders are probably personal (someone you know and have a conflict with ) and so there may be a higher chance of getting killed by a drunk driver than a gun.
Ok so we should limit who can buy alcohol...oh wait. Limit where you can buy it...oh wait. We should have laws around where you can have alcohol and not allow concealed carry...oh wait.
This is tiring. And why are we talking alcohol at all in a Gun violence thread.
I still think we should start with banning all guns and ammo and then have the discussion being about should be allowed and why rather than the other way around.
i read a few days ago that there was a potential bill that would have the tax rate for ammo for weapons like the ar-15 be 1000%. I can get behind that. you want to shoot up a place, you better run up your credit card first.
I think that’s incredibly stupid, and should be illegal if it isn’t. You can get out of contracts if it’s deemed too demanding, interest rates on loans are only allowed so far. This also opens the door to tax anything you don’t like. Why not tax alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or even abortions 1000% then? They’d just argue it’s still legal to get an abortion. Seems like you’re opening Pandora’s box when you play this game.
Except that alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, and abortions (unless you actually believe an embryo is a person) only kill those who use them on themselves. Big difference.
I would say alcohol impacts a lot more people than just the person drinking. Drunk driving, increased chance of violence and abuse, etc...
i can see that, but please let me know when alcohol kills a bunch of kids at school. also when parents are afraid to send their kids to school because of alcohol. and definitely let me know when a team of police are too scared to enter a building because alcohol is in there.
Agree. Was mainly just replying to the one comment in general.
That said, I did look at Google and a site said 10,500 people died a year from drunk driving. A Pew Research site said that there were 13,620 gun murders in 2020.
The two aren’t far off other than perhaps 10,500 may include a lot of deaths by the drunk driver. Most murders are probably personal (someone you know and have a conflict with ) and so there may be a higher chance of getting killed by a drunk driver than a gun.
Aren't most of the people that die from drunk driving the driver?
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i read a few days ago that there was a potential bill that would have the tax rate for ammo for weapons like the ar-15 be 1000%. I can get behind that. you want to shoot up a place, you better run up your credit card first.
I think that’s incredibly stupid, and should be illegal if it isn’t. You can get out of contracts if it’s deemed too demanding, interest rates on loans are only allowed so far. This also opens the door to tax anything you don’t like. Why not tax alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or even abortions 1000% then? They’d just argue it’s still legal to get an abortion. Seems like you’re opening Pandora’s box when you play this game.
Except that alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, and abortions (unless you actually believe an embryo is a person) only kill those who use them on themselves. Big difference.
I would say alcohol impacts a lot more people than just the person drinking. Drunk driving, increased chance of violence and abuse, etc...
i can see that, but please let me know when alcohol kills a bunch of kids at school. also when parents are afraid to send their kids to school because of alcohol. and definitely let me know when a team of police are too scared to enter a building because alcohol is in there.
Agree. Was mainly just replying to the one comment in general.
That said, I did look at Google and a site said 10,500 people died a year from drunk driving. A Pew Research site said that there were 13,620 gun murders in 2020.
The two aren’t far off other than perhaps 10,500 may include a lot of deaths by the drunk driver. Most murders are probably personal (someone you know and have a conflict with ) and so there may be a higher chance of getting killed by a drunk driver than a gun.
Aren't most of the people that die from drunk driving the driver?
no, sadly. its usually the folks they hit or a passenger.
my theory is being fucked up makes you more loose and pliable? you dont tense up etc and can more readily absorb impacts.
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This is the problem with message boards and context. What would be a 30 second detour if this were a live conversation is assumed to be something more online. I was merely responding to a comment that alcohol only impacts the user (and I know that isn’t what Brian meant). Not trying to start a debate on alcohol or anything.
i read a few days ago that there was a potential bill that would have the tax rate for ammo for weapons like the ar-15 be 1000%. I can get behind that. you want to shoot up a place, you better run up your credit card first.
I think that’s incredibly stupid, and should be illegal if it isn’t. You can get out of contracts if it’s deemed too demanding, interest rates on loans are only allowed so far. This also opens the door to tax anything you don’t like. Why not tax alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or even abortions 1000% then? They’d just argue it’s still legal to get an abortion. Seems like you’re opening Pandora’s box when you play this game.
Welcome to how it works in canada. Our tobacco and alcohol prices are insanely higher than yours, all because of taxation of products that cost our health care system. A pack of 25 cigarettes is over $20 now. 40 ouncer of mid range booze is $35. I’ve gotten 66’s across the border for significantly less than that.
i read a few days ago that there was a potential bill that would have the tax rate for ammo for weapons like the ar-15 be 1000%. I can get behind that. you want to shoot up a place, you better run up your credit card first.
I think that’s incredibly stupid, and should be illegal if it isn’t. You can get out of contracts if it’s deemed too demanding, interest rates on loans are only allowed so far. This also opens the door to tax anything you don’t like. Why not tax alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or even abortions 1000% then? They’d just argue it’s still legal to get an abortion. Seems like you’re opening Pandora’s box when you play this game.
Welcome to how it works in canada. Our tobacco and alcohol prices are insanely higher than yours, all because of taxation of products that cost our health care system. A pack of 25 cigarettes is over $20 now. 40 ouncer of mid range booze is $35. I’ve gotten 66’s across the border for significantly less than that.
People on both sides of the political spectrum and more so in the middle, want more strict gun laws. Stop the partisan bullshit. WTF. I completely agree with what Matthew Mcconaughey said, and could never say it better. Put him in the national nonpartisan committee to address this and create a bill that everyone can agree on. Put it on the fucking voting ballots for us citizens if the gov can’t compromise. Get the shit done and stop talking…
Thank you for screaming and shaming us. That always makes me want to do things differently.
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“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
People on both sides of the political spectrum and more so in the middle, want more strict gun laws. Stop the partisan bullshit. WTF. I completely agree with what Matthew Mcconaughey said, and could never say it better. Put him in the national nonpartisan committee to address this and create a bill that everyone can agree on. Put it on the fucking voting ballots for us citizens if the gov can’t compromise. Get the shit done and stop talking…
Thank you for screaming and shaming us. That always makes me want to do things differently.
:joyousness:
Didn’t think that I was doing that. Sorry if that came across rudely. Just tired of finger pointing. Set aside differences and agree that policies need to change for the better.
People on both sides of the political spectrum and more so in the middle, want more strict gun laws. Stop the partisan bullshit. WTF. I completely agree with what Matthew Mcconaughey said, and could never say it better. Put him in the national nonpartisan committee to address this and create a bill that everyone can agree on. Put it on the fucking voting ballots for us citizens if the gov can’t compromise. Get the shit done and stop talking…
People in the middle need to vote for people who want reasonable gun regulations, every single year.
The flip flopping of independents based on the price of gas or who is better at delivering a speech is what is hurting this country the most. Any serious gun law needs to pass thru SCOTUS, and that requires long term dedication to get justices on there who will uphold gun regulations. That’s what the right does, and that’s why they control the court.
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People on both sides of the political spectrum and more so in the middle, want more strict gun laws. Stop the partisan bullshit. WTF. I completely agree with what Matthew Mcconaughey said, and could never say it better. Put him in the national nonpartisan committee to address this and create a bill that everyone can agree on. Put it on the fucking voting ballots for us citizens if the gov can’t compromise. Get the shit done and stop talking…
Thank you for screaming and shaming us. That always makes me want to do things differently.
:joyousness:
Didn’t think that I was doing that. Sorry if that came across rudely. Just tired of finger pointing. Set aside differences and agree that policies need to change for the better.
Fair enough. Thanks for clarifying.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
i read a few days ago that there was a potential bill that would have the tax rate for ammo for weapons like the ar-15 be 1000%. I can get behind that. you want to shoot up a place, you better run up your credit card first.
I think that’s incredibly stupid, and should be illegal if it isn’t. You can get out of contracts if it’s deemed too demanding, interest rates on loans are only allowed so far. This also opens the door to tax anything you don’t like. Why not tax alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or even abortions 1000% then? They’d just argue it’s still legal to get an abortion. Seems like you’re opening Pandora’s box when you play this game.
Welcome to how it works in canada. Our tobacco and alcohol prices are insanely higher than yours, all because of taxation of products that cost our health care system. A pack of 25 cigarettes is over $20 now. 40 ouncer of mid range booze is $35. I’ve gotten 66’s across the border for significantly less than that.
An excessive tax will never work in the US, either on bullets or guns, due the the word infringement in 2A.
“act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on.”
Any meaningful gun regulation needs to pass thru SCOTUS. Like I mentioned to the Independent above screaming about partisanship, welcome to the debate independents. Guns are a partisan issue, and since it’s explicitly in the constitution, there is no way to get meaningful regulation when it’s 6-3 pro gun like it is now. It will take years if not decades of anti gun voting to get a pro gun regulation SCOTUS in place.
We need all independents voting with us every year or nothing will change.
i read a few days ago that there was a potential bill that would have the tax rate for ammo for weapons like the ar-15 be 1000%. I can get behind that. you want to shoot up a place, you better run up your credit card first.
I think that’s incredibly stupid, and should be illegal if it isn’t. You can get out of contracts if it’s deemed too demanding, interest rates on loans are only allowed so far. This also opens the door to tax anything you don’t like. Why not tax alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or even abortions 1000% then? They’d just argue it’s still legal to get an abortion. Seems like you’re opening Pandora’s box when you play this game.
i am an ideas person. what is your solution? fact is we have a huge problem of gun violence in this country. even worse that one side of the political spectrum does not even recognize it as a problem. they view it as the cost of living in a free society.
these people want guns and ammo, then they have to pay for it. the constitution does not mention ammo, so it should not be protected under the 2nd amendment.
also, abortion is about to be illegal anyway, so why tax that at 1000%?
also, marijuana is still illegal in most places, how you gonna tax that?
The main beneficiaries of a 1000% tax would be those who deal illegally. You know what that means, right? Less regulations being enforced (bad), and more illegal arms dealers looking to cash in (also bad). This seems very counterproductive if you feel more regulations are the answer. Not all ideas are good, and it should be welcomed to provide reasons why.
People on both sides of the political spectrum and more so in the middle, want more strict gun laws. Stop the partisan bullshit. WTF. I completely agree with what Matthew Mcconaughey said, and could never say it better. Put him in the national nonpartisan committee to address this and create a bill that everyone can agree on. Put it on the fucking voting ballots for us citizens if the gov can’t compromise. Get the shit done and stop talking…
Thank you for screaming and shaming us. That always makes me want to do things differently.
:joyousness:
Didn’t think that I was doing that. Sorry if that came across rudely. Just tired of finger pointing. Set aside differences and agree that policies need to change for the better.
Fair enough. Thanks for clarifying.
Have to disagree Bri, it’s not fair enough. We have independents living in a fantasy world. They need to take a hard look at the 6-3 court and understand that is. We are fighting a war for a safe country for our children and this chap is worried about finger wagging. While others fantasize that taxing guns would get past this 6-3 court.
one side tries to meet in the middle. The other side would start a nuclear war to prevent an anti gun justice on the court that would change the ideology on the bench.
That 6-3 margin will prevent any attempt at any real “policy” change. And that 6-3 margin has been brought to us by independents continually voting based on gas prices and who gives a better speech.
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Stop Independent-shaming me!
I love how others purport to know my take on things or how/why I’ll vote.
i read a few days ago that there was a potential bill that would have the tax rate for ammo for weapons like the ar-15 be 1000%. I can get behind that. you want to shoot up a place, you better run up your credit card first.
I think that’s incredibly stupid, and should be illegal if it isn’t. You can get out of contracts if it’s deemed too demanding, interest rates on loans are only allowed so far. This also opens the door to tax anything you don’t like. Why not tax alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or even abortions 1000% then? They’d just argue it’s still legal to get an abortion. Seems like you’re opening Pandora’s box when you play this game.
Except that alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, and abortions (unless you actually believe an embryo is a person) only kill those who use them on themselves. Big difference.
I guess you don’t listen to those commercials about second hand smoke? But that wasn’t the point. Tax guns or ammo 1000%, what do you think that opens the door for? Eventually something you like would get taxed 1000% because those in charge don’t like it.
i read a few days ago that there was a potential bill that would have the tax rate for ammo for weapons like the ar-15 be 1000%. I can get behind that. you want to shoot up a place, you better run up your credit card first.
I think that’s incredibly stupid, and should be illegal if it isn’t. You can get out of contracts if it’s deemed too demanding, interest rates on loans are only allowed so far. This also opens the door to tax anything you don’t like. Why not tax alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or even abortions 1000% then? They’d just argue it’s still legal to get an abortion. Seems like you’re opening Pandora’s box when you play this game.
i am an ideas person. what is your solution? fact is we have a huge problem of gun violence in this country. even worse that one side of the political spectrum does not even recognize it as a problem. they view it as the cost of living in a free society.
these people want guns and ammo, then they have to pay for it. the constitution does not mention ammo, so it should not be protected under the 2nd amendment.
also, abortion is about to be illegal anyway, so why tax that at 1000%?
also, marijuana is still illegal in most places, how you gonna tax that?
Those were hypotheticals. If you tax bullets 1000% for whatever reason, what’s to stop parties from taxing those things, assuming they’re legal. And they are in many places. Ive mentioned many gun laws I am for. Ridiculous taxes just wasn’t one of them.
Guess all the gun nutters are for unfunded mandates? Mental health care, background checks, red flag law adjudication? Sure, it’s free. Doesn’t cost a dime. Hell, that’s why Abbott and Costello cut funding for mental health care in Tejas by $200+ M. That’s how you solve problems.
This is why nothing will change and I don’t take any of the gun nutters here seriously. Because you’re not serious.
Gov. Greg Abbott said Wednesday that the Uvalde school shooter had a "mental health challenge" and the state needed to "do a better job with mental health" — yet in April he slashed $211 million from the department that oversees mental health programs.
In addition, Texas ranked last out of all 50 states and the District of Columbia for overall access to mental health care, according to the 2021 State of Mental Health in America report
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Does the wait list require a number written on your hand with a sharpie? I think you meant waiting period. How long? I’d say 10 business days to cool off and allow for a thorough background check to be conducted at the state, fed, local level. Paid for partially by the ammo tax.
21 year old age limit to buy any firearm, maybe graduated possession by age, training, certification, licensing. Partially paid for with the ammo tax.
Red flag laws with a process for appeal and an independent medical board appointed by both parties in the legislature. Say a pool of 12 are appointed, 6 by each side, 3 are randomly selected and kept anonymous to assess and determine whether the person is mentally fit to possess firearms, both prosecutors and defendants can appeal to the full board where majority rules. Further appeals to a court, defendant doesn’t pay. Partially paid for by the ammo tax.
Holding owners accountable for their firearms equates to jail time for me. You don’t lock them up and they get stolen and you don’t report it in a timely manner and they’re used in a crime or found related to criminal activities, you go to jail. Your kid shoots your spouse or kid? You go to jail. The friend of your kid shoot’s themselves, your kid or someone else? You and/or your kid go to jail. You’re a podunk gun seller and someone drives through your front door to your gun store and makes off with a shit ton of guns? You’re going to jail.
Keep stats on all of it, report out to the taxpayers annually after the first three years and allow for tweaks on what doesn’t work well or needs adjustment. Red flags need to be evidence based to prevent false accusations and harassment. Waiting periods could be reduced if data shows they come in quicker but are accurate and still prevent those who shouldn’t legally purchase from doing so.
See? I think we have common ground but I don’t think you’re serious and wouldn’t want “responsible” gun owners to be held accountable by jumping through hoops, or being inconvenienced or paying a tax or for some other reason because I don’t believe that you think they’re part of the problem. And that’s why nothing will change. We can argue the finer points and details but we have to start somewhere. Have you called your senators and asked them to brow beat their repub colleagues?
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This also opens the door to tax anything you don’t like. Why not tax alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or even abortions 1000% then? They’d just argue it’s still legal to get an abortion. Seems like you’re opening Pandora’s box when you play this game.
Except that alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, and abortions (unless you actually believe an embryo is a person) only kill those who use them on themselves. Big difference.
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these people want guns and ammo, then they have to pay for it. the constitution does not mention ammo, so it should not be protected under the 2nd amendment.
also, abortion is about to be illegal anyway, so why tax that at 1000%?
also, marijuana is still illegal in most places, how you gonna tax that?
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This is tiring. And why are we talking alcohol at all in a Gun violence thread.
I still think we should start with banning all guns and ammo and then have the discussion being about should be allowed and why rather than the other way around.
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Fair enough. Thanks for clarifying.
“act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on.”
Any meaningful gun regulation needs to pass thru SCOTUS. Like I mentioned to the Independent above screaming about partisanship, welcome to the debate independents. Guns are a partisan issue, and since it’s explicitly in the constitution, there is no way to get meaningful regulation when it’s 6-3 pro gun like it is now. It will take years if not decades of anti gun voting to get a pro gun regulation SCOTUS in place.
We need all independents voting with us every year or nothing will change.
one side tries to meet in the middle. The other side would start a nuclear war to prevent an anti gun justice on the court that would change the ideology on the bench.
That 6-3 margin will prevent any attempt at any real “policy” change. And that 6-3 margin has been brought to us by independents continually voting based on gas prices and who gives a better speech.
I love how others purport to know my take on things or how/why I’ll vote.
It’s nuts, I tell ya.
But that wasn’t the point. Tax guns or ammo 1000%, what do you think that opens the door for? Eventually something you like would get taxed 1000% because those in charge don’t like it.
Ive mentioned many gun laws I am for. Ridiculous taxes just wasn’t one of them.
This is why nothing will change and I don’t take any of the gun nutters here seriously. Because you’re not serious.
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Gov. Greg Abbott said Wednesday that the Uvalde school shooter had a "mental health challenge" and the state needed to "do a better job with mental health" — yet in April he slashed $211 million from the department that oversees mental health programs.
In addition, Texas ranked last out of all 50 states and the District of Columbia for overall access to mental health care, according to the 2021 State of Mental Health in America report
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/abbott-calls-texas-school-shooting-mental-health-issue-cut-state-spend-rcna3055
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