psst...8/10/2021

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    demetrios said:
    The buttons are pretty cool.


    backspacer should have been a turtle
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  • starmap3333
    starmap3333 Posts: 3,925
    edited August 2021
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    demetrios said:
    The buttons are pretty cool.


    backspacer should have been a turtle
    I love the button pack... I'm not paying 1.6x the price to get 'em though.  We aren't talking about a start up band trying to raise money here, right?  It's insulting at this point.  I'm retired from merch-ing.  I played around... $13 to ship two button packs and a sticker.... $23 to ship 20 button packs!!  ahahahahhaha. 
    Post edited by starmap3333 on
  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,853
    edited August 2021
    I ship heavy containers full of potentially contaminated dirt for analysis at a much cheaper rate than this
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    starmap3333 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    demetrios said:
    The buttons are pretty cool.


    backspacer should have been a turtle
    I love the button pack... I'm not paying 1.6x the price to get 'em though.  We aren't talking about a start up band trying to raise money here, right?  It's insulting at this point.  I'm retired from merch-ing.  I played around... $13 to ship two button packs and a sticker.... $23 to ship 20 button packs!!  ahahahahhaha. 
    I had the button pack in my cart. I actually like buttons for my soft shell guitar cases. Americans are complaining about the shipping...imagine being in canada AND THEN having to convert that to Canadian dollars! it's borderline criminal. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    JimmyV said:
    Love the band, the music, the shows, the community...but the business increasingly leaves a bad taste. 
    the thing is, I doubt very highly this is band-driven, which is why it doesn't leave a bad taste in my mouth. the "holding back limited items to flip on the secondary market" leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but this? this isn't like Ed is convincing Stone how much money they can make off buttons and puzzles, like I imagine Gene does with Paul. LOL
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    edited August 2021
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JimmyV said:
    Love the band, the music, the shows, the community...but the business increasingly leaves a bad taste. 
    the thing is, I doubt very highly this is band-driven, which is why it doesn't leave a bad taste in my mouth. the "holding back limited items to flip on the secondary market" leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but this? this isn't like Ed is convincing Stone how much money they can make off buttons and puzzles, like I imagine Gene does with Paul. LOL
    You misunderstand my point. I don't think this is band driven either, other than maybe some level of involvement in setting an overall $ goal for merch sales each year. 10c is the business, and watching the way @Rubysdad allows it to be run does leave a bad taste. This is just the latest episode and over time they have become a small business I don't really want to support. 
    Post edited by JimmyV on
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    JimmyV said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JimmyV said:
    Love the band, the music, the shows, the community...but the business increasingly leaves a bad taste. 
    the thing is, I doubt very highly this is band-driven, which is why it doesn't leave a bad taste in my mouth. the "holding back limited items to flip on the secondary market" leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but this? this isn't like Ed is convincing Stone how much money they can make off buttons and puzzles, like I imagine Gene does with Paul. LOL
    You misunderstand my point. I don't think this is band driven either, other than maybe some level of involvement in setting an overall $ goal for merch sales each year. 10c is the business, and watching the way @Rubysdad allows it to be run does leave a bad taste. This is just the latest episode and over time they have become a small business I don't really want to support. 
    I don't think I misunderstood your point, I just don't get why it would leave a bad taste if you know/believe the band has little to do with it?

    I wouldn't be at all surprised if they also do this to support the bottom line of the salaries and benefits of their staff. I mean, they resisted the merch scene for so long; people were constantly demanding new this and new that; they were leaving potentially millions on the table. so why not give the people who want it what they want?

    the only thing that bugs me, as I said, is the limited shit. stop releasing items in a limited capacity and screwing over those who don't live here. 
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JimmyV said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JimmyV said:
    Love the band, the music, the shows, the community...but the business increasingly leaves a bad taste. 
    the thing is, I doubt very highly this is band-driven, which is why it doesn't leave a bad taste in my mouth. the "holding back limited items to flip on the secondary market" leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but this? this isn't like Ed is convincing Stone how much money they can make off buttons and puzzles, like I imagine Gene does with Paul. LOL
    You misunderstand my point. I don't think this is band driven either, other than maybe some level of involvement in setting an overall $ goal for merch sales each year. 10c is the business, and watching the way @Rubysdad allows it to be run does leave a bad taste. This is just the latest episode and over time they have become a small business I don't really want to support. 
    I don't think I misunderstood your point, I just don't get why it would leave a bad taste if you know/believe the band has little to do with it?

    I wouldn't be at all surprised if they also do this to support the bottom line of the salaries and benefits of their staff. I mean, they resisted the merch scene for so long; people were constantly demanding new this and new that; they were leaving potentially millions on the table. so why not give the people who want it what they want?

    the only thing that bugs me, as I said, is the limited shit. stop releasing items in a limited capacity and screwing over those who don't live here. 
    We can be bothered by different things. That I don't blame the band doesn't mean I can't be disappointed in the business and business practices. Every "customer" of this business is someone who loves this band, so 10c shouldn't be gouging them on shipping, overselling the Vault 10 vinyl and then making people chase them for refunds, treating questions about long overdue singles with contempt, etc. If that stuff doesn't bother you, fine. It does bother me. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    JimmyV said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JimmyV said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JimmyV said:
    Love the band, the music, the shows, the community...but the business increasingly leaves a bad taste. 
    the thing is, I doubt very highly this is band-driven, which is why it doesn't leave a bad taste in my mouth. the "holding back limited items to flip on the secondary market" leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but this? this isn't like Ed is convincing Stone how much money they can make off buttons and puzzles, like I imagine Gene does with Paul. LOL
    You misunderstand my point. I don't think this is band driven either, other than maybe some level of involvement in setting an overall $ goal for merch sales each year. 10c is the business, and watching the way @Rubysdad allows it to be run does leave a bad taste. This is just the latest episode and over time they have become a small business I don't really want to support. 
    I don't think I misunderstood your point, I just don't get why it would leave a bad taste if you know/believe the band has little to do with it?

    I wouldn't be at all surprised if they also do this to support the bottom line of the salaries and benefits of their staff. I mean, they resisted the merch scene for so long; people were constantly demanding new this and new that; they were leaving potentially millions on the table. so why not give the people who want it what they want?

    the only thing that bugs me, as I said, is the limited shit. stop releasing items in a limited capacity and screwing over those who don't live here. 
    We can be bothered by different things. That I don't blame the band doesn't mean I can't be disappointed in the business and business practices. Every "customer" of this business is someone who loves this band, so 10c shouldn't be gouging them on shipping, overselling the Vault 10 vinyl and then making people chase them for refunds, treating questions about long overdue singles with contempt, etc. If that stuff doesn't bother you, fine. It does bother me. 
    yes, I realized after I posted my reply that it was a touch hypocritical of me to say you shouldn't be bothered by that, yet I can be bothered by limited items. I get your point now, and the fact I did actually miss it. LOL
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    edited August 2021
    Maybe it is time for the band to take back control of their brand then?

    Like the King in the second Lord of the Rings movies. Throw Chucky out of there and him looking through KISS webshop to find ideas for what to slap Pearl Jams name on. 

    The merch is starting to come off more and more as lazy as "get your company logo on pens, post-it notes and candywrappers to really stand out at the next tradeshow" stuff. Looking through a catalouge and just picking out generic things at random lazy.



    Just an idea, if the brand of the band at present is not band driven.

    I don't really care -- but -- the artifical scarcity bullshit of limited items is fan-unfriendly and the business model of "let's keep some fans shutout just because" is ethcially awful. 
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    they seem to be following the same model as most bands with their merch; scarves, toques, puzzles, every big hand has those out because there is demand. you'd be stupid to leave that money on the table. pearl jam only gets accused of being hypocritical because 90's ed never would have allowed it. 2021 ed is much smarter. 
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JimmyV said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JimmyV said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JimmyV said:
    Love the band, the music, the shows, the community...but the business increasingly leaves a bad taste. 
    the thing is, I doubt very highly this is band-driven, which is why it doesn't leave a bad taste in my mouth. the "holding back limited items to flip on the secondary market" leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but this? this isn't like Ed is convincing Stone how much money they can make off buttons and puzzles, like I imagine Gene does with Paul. LOL
    You misunderstand my point. I don't think this is band driven either, other than maybe some level of involvement in setting an overall $ goal for merch sales each year. 10c is the business, and watching the way @Rubysdad allows it to be run does leave a bad taste. This is just the latest episode and over time they have become a small business I don't really want to support. 
    I don't think I misunderstood your point, I just don't get why it would leave a bad taste if you know/believe the band has little to do with it?

    I wouldn't be at all surprised if they also do this to support the bottom line of the salaries and benefits of their staff. I mean, they resisted the merch scene for so long; people were constantly demanding new this and new that; they were leaving potentially millions on the table. so why not give the people who want it what they want?

    the only thing that bugs me, as I said, is the limited shit. stop releasing items in a limited capacity and screwing over those who don't live here. 
    We can be bothered by different things. That I don't blame the band doesn't mean I can't be disappointed in the business and business practices. Every "customer" of this business is someone who loves this band, so 10c shouldn't be gouging them on shipping, overselling the Vault 10 vinyl and then making people chase them for refunds, treating questions about long overdue singles with contempt, etc. If that stuff doesn't bother you, fine. It does bother me. 
    yes, I realized after I posted my reply that it was a touch hypocritical of me to say you shouldn't be bothered by that, yet I can be bothered by limited items. I get your point now, and the fact I did actually miss it. LOL
    We used to have a good thumbs-up emoji but either it's gone or I have forgotten how to insert it. 




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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    edited August 2021
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    they seem to be following the same model as most bands with their merch; scarves, toques, puzzles, every big hand has those out because there is demand. you'd be stupid to leave that money on the table. pearl jam only gets accused of being hypocritical because 90's ed never would have allowed it. 2021 ed is much smarter. 
    You'd be stupid as a producer to not make a sequal to Terminator 2. Whatever Eddie might have thought about that in the 90s. That doesn't mean you have to make Terminator: Genisys.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • SJD3232
    SJD3232 Posts: 2,203
    edited August 2021
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471


    HOW DO THESE T-800s EVEN LOOK!
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • ParanoidBoy
    ParanoidBoy Posts: 22
    I just got free shipping on a gallon of fabric softener, which I want to think is more in volume and weight than a puzzle. I guess that is what growing up is like. I wonder what my teenage self in the Ticketmaster days would have to say about this. 
  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,066
    ParanoidBoy said:
    I just got free shipping on a gallon of fabric softener, which I want to think is more in volume and weight than a puzzle. I guess that is what growing up is like. I wonder what my teenage self in the Ticketmaster days would have to say about this. 
    What company was the fabric softener from? A multibillion valued Corp that can easily eat the cost of shipping?
  • drfox
    drfox Posts: 1,481
    Stepping back a d looking at this, the shipping rate to the U.K. at $38.75 per jigsaw makes no sense. I checked my order from February and the cost for the marucci bat was only $30.99 despite being a much larger and heavier item. How can the bat cost lower? 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    drfox said:
    Stepping back a d looking at this, the shipping rate to the U.K. at $38.75 per jigsaw makes no sense. I checked my order from February and the cost for the marucci bat was only $30.99 despite being a much larger and heavier item. How can the bat cost lower? 
    What company was the bat from? A multibillion valued Corp that can easily eat the cost of shipping?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Kearn5y
    Kearn5y Ireland Posts: 3,035
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    drfox said:
    Stepping back a d looking at this, the shipping rate to the U.K. at $38.75 per jigsaw makes no sense. I checked my order from February and the cost for the marucci bat was only $30.99 despite being a much larger and heavier item. How can the bat cost lower? 
    What company was the bat from? A multibillion valued Corp that can easily eat the cost of shipping?
    Was shipped from the 10C?
    Kearnsy

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