Uh oh……2021 Jazz Fest canceled

cp3iverson

I have to laugh at that one guy’s comment regarding the non-vaccinated people being of a certain political party.  It is strongly apolitical in my region.  Hell, it may be the only thing uniting both sides sadly.   I’m of the belief that the best way to protect your younger kids is to get most of the adults vaccinated.  

Back to PJ……

If im going to a concert id be way more comfortable with everyone doing tests the day of a concert if need be.   The only time i was glad to miss a PJ show was the Spectrum when everyone caught that intense puking virus or whatever that was.  Either that or give me a private suite.  

HughFreakingDillon

Gern Blansten said:

mrussel1 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Gern Blansten said:

There was an asshole in front of me at the RHCP concert a few years ago.  We were on the floor in reserved seats so there was no getting away from it.

He had his phone pointed at the stage the entire time except for when he was jumping around and turning around to talk to people...that video would have been unwatchable with all the movement.  We kept hoping his battery would run out.

It really is staggering how out of it some people are.

I get nabbing a clip to keep or show to friends that is 10-20 seconds where you spin around and show how into it the crowd is or your fellow area folks are or whatever....but to do it the whole show is so beyond rude to people around you.   

Many people are just assholes who only care about their good time.

If you record properly, it would never be above your own head.  Therefore it cannot obstruct the person in back of you.  Anyone that holds a camera above their head is an arsehole.  But recording does not make someone an arsehole.  You can do it properly and not disturb anyone else's experience. 

yeah he had it above his head....in our site line the entire time until his battery ran out which seemed to take awhile.

He was a fucking idiot.  It mostly pissed us off knowing that it would be unusable.  He was just moving too much and talking loudly to the people next to him so sound or video would have been worthless.

it's not just that it's blocking my view. often it isn't. it's the same to me as some asshat checking his texts in a movie theatre. the super bright light is distracting. turn that fucker off. 

going to a movie tonight for the first time in 18 months. hopefully I don't have a "GEORGE IS GETTIN' UPSET" moment. 

SHZA

lastexit78 said:

PJNB said:

SHZA said:

lastexit78 said:

wall232 said:

If you have the vaccine you can still get it and be a carrier, requiring a negative test for everyone is the safest way. IMHO. 

I'm fully vaccinated and would have no problem taking a test before going into a show. 

This is where you lose me, basically zero chance of a vaccinated person spreading it to another vaccinated person and the results being a hospitalization/death. I guess I can buy we would be protecting those under 12 but that's a stretch. I'm pro vaccine mandates at this point but if those who are vaccinated have no real advantage to those who aren't this never ends. Start treating this thing like a common cold, which it basically is for those vaccinated. I'm for those unvaccinated paying their own medical bills but that's considered an extreme take so it will never get any traction. Even though they are overwhelming hospitals and creating a more dangerous healthcare system for everyone else. It's a mess of epic proportions, hopefully Pfizer's antiviral pill delivers bigtime and hospitalization/deaths to this already cured disease can finally slow to a tolerable level... whatever that is. Either way eventually COVID runs out of targets but that's a brutal way to go and will likely extend the pandemic through 2022. 

Why is protecting unvaccinated kids a stretch? I sold my tickets to a show last week for that very reason. I'm vaccinated and was comfortable attending Foo Fighters at MSG six weeks ago because vaccines were required of all fans. But with the recent data on breakthrough infections and increase in pediatric cases, I didn't want to risk being around thousands of people who may or may not be vaccinated and/or contagious and possibly getting a breakthrough infection which would endanger my unvaccinated child 

Are you homeschooling your child or keeping them out of daycare? That is where I am personally worried about mine getting it. 

Fair enough on the kid front. I've relentlessly pursued data on pediatric COVID numbers since the start of this disaster. I have a healthy 10 year old and believe from what I have been able to find the risk is minimal. I know first hand dozens of children infected. Either through his school, friends or my wife's as she is a teacher. None of them ended up in the hospital or have experienced long COVID. So for me that's the data I trust, first hand. CA has reported nearly 500,000 COVID cases (Actual numbers are well into the millions) in the 17 and under group, 23 have died. Take those numbers however you choose, for me my child living some semblance of a normal life is priority #1. For others that may not be the case, I'm not here to judge. I intend on getting him vaccinated when the time comes but will NOT have him living in constant fear in the meantime. Childhood obesity, mental health, learning loss are all catastrophic problems COVID help accelerate in children. Kids get to be kids once, sacrificing years of their childhood will have serious consequences if this thing continues.

Hopefully the data for delta are consistent with those numbers but I think the jury's still out. I'm not suggesting kids shouldn't be living their normal lives but for myself as an adult who has attended hundreds of events I am content to skip it for now rather than possibly expose myself to something that could then expose my kid to something potentially severe. But if I know that everyone there was tested on the way in, it's a different story. Not sure if any other events will do the same but I think it's a great idea. 

helplessdancer

it's so sad to see nola take yet another hit.

i can't imagine how devastated that city must have been in the last year  

ddeschler

On a positive note, Dave Matthews Band is currently on a lengthy tour of outdoor venues.  Played 2 shows in Chicago this past weekend.  Haven't heard of any problems, anecdotally or in the media.

Weston1283

One thing I do know is that if either the Encore Ohana or SHN gets post poned is that I’ll be requesting a refund

90% of the draw of these shows for me are the fact that this is it for 2021

If these happen in 2022, before or after a regular tour, I will have no interest in traveling for a 2 hour festival set from my end

So really, really hoping that both of these shows go ahead

PJNB

ddeschler said:

On a positive note, Dave Matthews Band is currently on a lengthy tour of outdoor venues.  Played 2 shows in Chicago this past weekend.  Haven't heard of any problems, anecdotally or in the media.

That is great news. There has been way more successful stories of concerts happening without any huge spreads than those that had issues but that would not make a flashy headline. We need to now the good and the bad. I am not saying to hide the bad. I just wish they were weighted appropriately. 

F Me In The Brain

ddeschler said:

On a positive note, Dave Matthews Band is currently on a lengthy tour of outdoor venues.  Played 2 shows in Chicago this past weekend.  Haven't heard of any problems, anecdotally or in the media.

One of my good friends went this weekend to both shows.  Traveled from Detroit.
Texted him Sunday AM to see how things were going and he sent back "hoping for a mild case of Covid.". He took his wife who is a superfan and both are vaccinated but both are also obese.
Hoping they don't get it.

lmckenney24

Weston1283 said:

One thing I do know is that if either the Encore Ohana or SHN gets post poned is that I’ll be requesting a refund

90% of the draw of these shows for me are the fact that this is it for 2021

If these happen in 2022, before or after a regular tour, I will have no interest in traveling for a 2 hour festival set from my end

So really, really hoping that both of these shows go ahead

+1 on that amigo

ddeschler

One of my good friends went this weekend to both shows.  Traveled from Detroit.

Are they going to the Detroit show this Wed too?  Hardcore.  Maybe the Indy shows this weekend too?

ddeschler

I had a ticket to Sat show in Chi, but my dog wouldn't stop puking.  Stayed home with her, and sold the ticket.  Got tickets for the indoor show in GR in Nov.  Hopefully, indoors are a go in Nov.

Jason P

F Me In The Brain

ddeschler said:

One of my good friends went this weekend to both shows.  Traveled from Detroit.

Are they going to the Detroit show this Wed too?  Hardcore.  Maybe the Indy shows this weekend too?

Not sure by expect they would.

BF89905

Weston1283 said:

Louisiana also has a 37% fully vaccinated rate as opposed to 59% in New Jersey

Regional vaccination rates could play a role in a festival deciding to mandate Vaccines to enter vs just canceling totally (number of refund requests etc)

37% fully vaccinated that's incredible. Canada was rather late to the vaccine rollout compared to America, and I think all provinces and territories are noticeably higher than that. Yikes

ddeschler

Don't underestimate ignorance, laziness, and wishful thinking.

ddeschler

Lynyrd Skynyrd cancels dates, as guitarist tests positive.  No word in the media if said guitarist had been vaccinated.  I'm guessing...

KL159781

lastexit78 said:

wall232 said:

If you have the vaccine you can still get it and be a carrier, requiring a negative test for everyone is the safest way. IMHO. 

I'm fully vaccinated and would have no problem taking a test before going into a show. 

This is where you lose me, basically zero chance of a vaccinated person spreading it to another vaccinated person and the results being a hospitalization/death. I guess I can buy we would be protecting those under 12 but that's a stretch. I'm pro vaccine mandates at this point but if those who are vaccinated have no real advantage to those who aren't this never ends. Start treating this thing like a common cold, which it basically is for those vaccinated.

If you asked me in June, I would agree with you. Since that time Delta has completely taken over and changed everything. It’s been documented that a much higher amount of vaccinated people have got Covid in the past 6-8 weeks than previously. It’s also documented by the CDC that infected vaccinated people with Delta are putting out the same amount of infected particles as infected unvaccinated people. Studies in Israel, who got Delta earlier than the US, have shown vaccines to only be 39-64% effective against Delta. 

I posted this article from the Jerusalem Post in the Asbury Park thread that shows their hospitalizations from Delta are 58% vaccinated people.

https://m.jpost.com/health-science/coronavirus-in-israel-what-do-we-know-about-the-143-hospitalized-people-674508

Who knows what’s in store for the US, but those are alarming numbers. Granted the people in Israel were older people but my point is we truly don’t know how bad Delta is here.

As for general admission shows like Ohana, you honestly think it’s almost impossible to get Covid if you’re spending 10 hours shoulder to shoulder next to an infected person whether they are vaccinated or not, and then develop issues serious enough to go to a hospital? I wish I had your confidence. I have tickets for 4 days of Ohana and will attend if they happen. I am vaccinated and will wear a mask.

PJNB

KL159781 said:

lastexit78 said:

wall232 said:

If you have the vaccine you can still get it and be a carrier, requiring a negative test for everyone is the safest way. IMHO. 

I'm fully vaccinated and would have no problem taking a test before going into a show. 

This is where you lose me, basically zero chance of a vaccinated person spreading it to another vaccinated person and the results being a hospitalization/death. I guess I can buy we would be protecting those under 12 but that's a stretch. I'm pro vaccine mandates at this point but if those who are vaccinated have no real advantage to those who aren't this never ends. Start treating this thing like a common cold, which it basically is for those vaccinated.

If you asked me in June, I would agree with you. Since that time Delta has completely taken over and changed everything. It’s been documented that a much higher amount of vaccinated people have got Covid in the past 6-8 weeks than previously. It’s also documented by the CDC that infected vaccinated people with Delta are putting out the same amount of infected particles as infected unvaccinated people. Studies in Israel, who got Delta earlier than the US, have shown vaccines to only be 39-64% effective against Delta. 

I posted this article from the Jerusalem Post in the Asbury Park thread that shows their hospitalizations from Delta are 58% vaccinated people.

https://m.jpost.com/health-science/coronavirus-in-israel-what-do-we-know-about-the-143-hospitalized-people-674508

Who knows what’s in store for the US, but those are alarming numbers. Granted the people in Israel were older people but my point is we truly don’t know how bad Delta is here.

As for general admission shows like Ohana, you honestly think it’s almost impossible to get Covid if you’re spending 10 hours shoulder to shoulder next to an infected person whether they are vaccinated or not, and then develop issues serious enough to go to a hospital? I wish I had your confidence. I have tickets for 4 days of Ohana and will attend if they happen. I am vaccinated and will wear a mask.

New Jersey where the first show is happening has 3% of hospitalizations being from the fully vaccinated. That is an incredibly low number when you factor in most of the population that is vulnerable from the virus is vaccinated. Roughly 68% of the 65 and up population in NJ is fully vaccinated. Single shots are even higher. 3% is an amazing number. 

 

Weston1283

KL159781 said:

lastexit78 said:

wall232 said:

If you have the vaccine you can still get it and be a carrier, requiring a negative test for everyone is the safest way. IMHO. 

I'm fully vaccinated and would have no problem taking a test before going into a show. 

This is where you lose me, basically zero chance of a vaccinated person spreading it to another vaccinated person and the results being a hospitalization/death. I guess I can buy we would be protecting those under 12 but that's a stretch. I'm pro vaccine mandates at this point but if those who are vaccinated have no real advantage to those who aren't this never ends. Start treating this thing like a common cold, which it basically is for those vaccinated.

If you asked me in June, I would agree with you. Since that time Delta has completely taken over and changed everything. It’s been documented that a much higher amount of vaccinated people have got Covid in the past 6-8 weeks than previously. It’s also documented by the CDC that infected vaccinated people with Delta are putting out the same amount of infected particles as infected unvaccinated people. Studies in Israel, who got Delta earlier than the US, have shown vaccines to only be 39-64% effective against Delta. 

I posted this article from the Jerusalem Post in the Asbury Park thread that shows their hospitalizations from Delta are 58% vaccinated people.

https://m.jpost.com/health-science/coronavirus-in-israel-what-do-we-know-about-the-143-hospitalized-people-674508

Who knows what’s in store for the US, but those are alarming numbers. Granted the people in Israel were older people but my point is we truly don’t know how bad Delta is here.

As for general admission shows like Ohana, you honestly think it’s almost impossible to get Covid if you’re spending 10 hours shoulder to shoulder next to an infected person whether they are vaccinated or not, and then develop issues serious enough to go to a hospital? I wish I had your confidence. I have tickets for 4 days of Ohana and will attend if they happen. I am vaccinated and will wear a mask.

I’d like to counter that with the CDC who says that the above statement you posted is not even close to the truth

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html