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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    edited July 2022

    If I legitimately believe a bank owes me money, and then take the money back via armed robbery, I'm pretty sure the "He believed the money was his" defense isn't going to fly. 
  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited July 2022
    mrussel1 said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    well it's consistent. if he's still president, which he thinks he is, privilege is still active. 
    He truly thinks he won the election and there was fraud. Apparently that’s what the WH council told the committee.WHC disagreed.  

    a lot of these crimes seem to require him knowing he lost and pressuring overturning legitimate votes. Not sure why WHC offered that up as he really isn’t inside the guy’s head. It’s speculation and definitely helps trump in that area 

    so yeah, he probably still thinks he’s president 
    Delusion is not a good defense.  


     intent to commit a crime is essential in a conspiracy I think 
      
    im convinced his defence  it going to be all my information says I won. I wasn’t trying to defraud the election at all.  Probably won’t work, but WHC stating it’s his sincere belief he won doesn’t hurt him 

     crimes were committed, but by him directly or by subordinates?  did he intend be part of a criminal conspiracy ? The conspiracy case I think will be hard 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    Cropduster-80 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    well it's consistent. if he's still president, which he thinks he is, privilege is still active. 
    He truly thinks he won the election and there was fraud. Apparently that’s what the WH council told the committee.WHC disagreed.  

    a lot of these crimes seem to require him knowing he lost and pressuring overturning legitimate votes. Not sure why WHC offered that up as he really isn’t inside the guy’s head. It’s speculation and definitely helps trump in that area 

    so yeah, he probably still thinks he’s president 
    Delusion is not a good defense.  


     intent to commit a crime is essential in a conspiracy I think 
      
    im convinced his defence  it going to be all my information says I won. I wasn’t trying to defraud the election at all.  Probably won’t work, but WHC stating it’s his sincere belief he won doesn’t hurt him 

     crimes were committed, but by him directly or by subordinates?  did he intend be part of a criminal conspiracy ? The conspiracy case I think will be hard 
    I don't think he gets charged.  Never have.  But I expect those around him to be potentially charged.  Deterrence is a key objective here. 
  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited July 2022
    mrussel1 said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    well it's consistent. if he's still president, which he thinks he is, privilege is still active. 
    He truly thinks he won the election and there was fraud. Apparently that’s what the WH council told the committee.WHC disagreed.  

    a lot of these crimes seem to require him knowing he lost and pressuring overturning legitimate votes. Not sure why WHC offered that up as he really isn’t inside the guy’s head. It’s speculation and definitely helps trump in that area 

    so yeah, he probably still thinks he’s president 
    Delusion is not a good defense.  


     intent to commit a crime is essential in a conspiracy I think 
      
    im convinced his defence  it going to be all my information says I won. I wasn’t trying to defraud the election at all.  Probably won’t work, but WHC stating it’s his sincere belief he won doesn’t hurt him 

     crimes were committed, but by him directly or by subordinates?  did he intend be part of a criminal conspiracy ? The conspiracy case I think will be hard 
    I don't think he gets charged.  Never have.  But I expect those around him to be potentially charged.  Deterrence is a key objective here. 
    Plus all you need is one MAGA on the jury 

    his chances of conviction are near zero if he gets charged.  In this political environment I’d acquit Biden no matter what he actually did if I got on a jury and they charged him with a crime. It would take a lot for me to vote to convict, more than it should 

    OJ got off for a similar reason. No way they were ever going to say guilty not with what was going on in LA at the time with the police. The acquittal  was about so much more than the crime he was on trial for 

    people will get charged, probably not trump 
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,618
    mrussel1 said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    well it's consistent. if he's still president, which he thinks he is, privilege is still active. 
    He truly thinks he won the election and there was fraud. Apparently that’s what the WH council told the committee.WHC disagreed.  

    a lot of these crimes seem to require him knowing he lost and pressuring overturning legitimate votes. Not sure why WHC offered that up as he really isn’t inside the guy’s head. It’s speculation and definitely helps trump in that area 

    so yeah, he probably still thinks he’s president 
    Delusion is not a good defense.  


     intent to commit a crime is essential in a conspiracy I think 
      
    im convinced his defence  it going to be all my information says I won. I wasn’t trying to defraud the election at all.  Probably won’t work, but WHC stating it’s his sincere belief he won doesn’t hurt him 

     crimes were committed, but by him directly or by subordinates?  did he intend be part of a criminal conspiracy ? The conspiracy case I think will be hard 
    I don't think he gets charged.  Never have.  But I expect those around him to be potentially charged.  Deterrence is a key objective here. 
    If nobody gets charged, that'll be as clear of a message as possible; America's for the takin.'
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,241
    if trump does not get charged it is a green light to do it all over again because there will then be no check on him. he must be charged and tried. nobody is above the law no matter how much they may believe that they are.
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  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited July 2022
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    if trump does not get charged it is a green light to do it all over again because there will then be no check on him. he must be charged and tried. nobody is above the law no matter how much they may believe that they are.
    What happens if he’s found not guilty? That could be worse, as that will imply nothing he did was wrong. That’s the nightmare situation.  Right or wrong that’s probably going to have a lot to do with a decision to charge or not 

    I have no faith a jury will unanimously vote to convict him.  The trial still has to be in America 

    id rather see a state case first (Georgia) as a test, before the feds decide to try him.  It’s a lot easier to explain away an acquittal in state court in Georgia 
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,941
    I think he will be charged but will never get to a trial,  he will have lawyers drag it out until he dies.  

    Don’t know how he doesn’t get charged in Georgia.  They have him on tape for Christ’s sake.  I guess if the republicans win big in November they can squash it
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,602
    pjhawks said:
    I think he will be charged but will never get to a trial,  he will have lawyers drag it out until he dies.  

    Don’t know how he doesn’t get charged in Georgia.  They have him on tape for Christ’s sake.  I guess if the republicans win big in November they can squash it

    nope. unless they can take DA spot in Fulton County. .  
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    pjhawks said:
    I think he will be charged but will never get to a trial,  he will have lawyers drag it out until he dies.  

    Don’t know how he doesn’t get charged in Georgia.  They have him on tape for Christ’s sake.  I guess if the republicans win big in November they can squash it
    Yeah I wasn't thinking about Georgia.  That's a whole different problem for him. 
  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    Wonder where a federal trial would even be held.  Defendants often get a change of venue do to pre trial publicity.  

    The Georgia case gets moved out of Fulton county no question.  Probably to MTG’s district 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    Cropduster-80 said:
    Wonder where a federal trial would even be held.  Defendants often get a change of venue do to pre trial publicity.  

    The Georgia case gets moved out of Fulton county no question.  Probably to MTG’s district 
    Why? What's the argument that a jury is tainted in Fulton vs anywhere else? He is a national figure. 
  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited July 2022
    mrussel1 said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    Wonder where a federal trial would even be held.  Defendants often get a change of venue do to pre trial publicity.  

    The Georgia case gets moved out of Fulton county no question.  Probably to MTG’s district 
    Why? What's the argument that a jury is tainted in Fulton vs anywhere else? He is a national figure. 


     OJ’s trial got moved to LA from Santa Monica, Scott Peterson etc 
    trying to get a more friendly jury 

    If Fulton county is 75 percent democrats I would bet they try it.  


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  • myoung321
    myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    Just wait until Mueller testifies!..... oh wait...that was last seasons "show" that meant nothing in the end....just as this one will mean nothing when it's over.
    "The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
     


  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    myoung321 said:
    Just wait until Mueller testifies!..... oh wait...that was last seasons "show" that meant nothing in the end....just as this one will mean nothing when it's over.
    So you're cool with riots, violence and coups.  Good to know.  
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    Cropduster-80 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    Wonder where a federal trial would even be held.  Defendants often get a change of venue do to pre trial publicity.  

    The Georgia case gets moved out of Fulton county no question.  Probably to MTG’s district 
    Why? What's the argument that a jury is tainted in Fulton vs anywhere else? He is a national figure. 


     OJ’s trial got moved to LA from Santa Monica, Scott Peterson etc 
    trying to get a more friendly jury 

    If Fulton county is 75 percent democrats I would bet they try it.  


    I'm 100% sure they will try, agreed.  I'm just not sure the argument that would allow it to leave metro Atlanta. 
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,853
    myoung321 said:
    Just wait until Mueller testifies!..... oh wait...that was last seasons "show" that meant nothing in the end....just as this one will mean nothing when it's over.
    It only “means nothing” because a group of people just don’t care about the truth anymore. A group you appear to be a part of. 
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,975
    mrussel1 said:
    pjhawks said:
    I think he will be charged but will never get to a trial,  he will have lawyers drag it out until he dies.  

    Don’t know how he doesn’t get charged in Georgia.  They have him on tape for Christ’s sake.  I guess if the republicans win big in November they can squash it
    Yeah I wasn't thinking about Georgia.  That's a whole different problem for him. 


    How so? All he did was ask them to find him some votes, not create false ones. Perfectly legit. 
  • lindamarie73
    lindamarie73 Posts: 491
    mrussel1 said:
    myoung321 said:
    Just wait until Mueller testifies!..... oh wait...that was last seasons "show" that meant nothing in the end....just as this one will mean nothing when it's over.
    So you're cool with riots, violence and coups.  Good to know.  
    Ask that farce of a organization BLM how they feel about Riots, Violence, and coups….oops, that’s right, one can’t ….
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    edited July 2022
    lindamarie73 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    myoung321 said:
    Just wait until Mueller testifies!..... oh wait...that was last seasons "show" that meant nothing in the end....just as this one will mean nothing when it's over.
    So you're cool with riots, violence and coups.  Good to know.  
    Ask that farce of a organization BLM how they feel about Riots, Violence, and coups….oops, that’s right, one can’t ….
    That's a defense for them? Talking about BLM?  Shockingly no one has won an acquittal with that argument.  

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