Viruses / Vaccines

mace1229

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

Zod said:

So how much does health insurance cost in the US?  I've always been kind of curious what people (which would be interest to compare to the 40% of our tax dollars here in Canada that go to health care).

Here’s a link to what our local school district offers employees. $1224/month for the cheaper of the 2 options. That’s the employee contribution, the district pays probably about $1000 on top of that too. These are not the details of the plan either, but its titled “HDHP” which stands for “High Deductible Health Plan.” So, as you can imagine, the deductibles are pretty high and the out of pocket expense on top of the monthly premium is pretty high.
https://www.cherrycreekschools.org/cms/lib/CO50000184/Centricity/Domain/2323/Benefit%20Rates%2021%2022.pdf

As for the details of what it covers, you can read about it here if you want or here’s a screenshot of the summary.
https://www.cherrycreekschools.org/cms/lib/CO50000184/Centricity/Domain/2323/Cherry%20Creek%202021%20Guide%208_5.pdf

Basically nothing is covered u til you spend 12k out of pocket, then it’s all covered.. This is pretty standard for school districts. And most of the info is public you can look up on their website. So it costs a teacher $1224/month for a family and you have to spend $12k out of pocket before the insurance kicks in.you’d be spending 25k a year before insurance kicks in and covers anything. Not to mention the district is using about 12-15k of their funds to supplement it.

At that point I would purchase the cheapest Obamacare insurance at $200 a month and pay cash for doctor visits.  Holy shit that's horrible.

Edit:  No Union rep with this?  Teachers should be united around the states to pool for better coverage...

I looked into that, we weren’t eligible for Obamacare at the time because our employer offers coverage. We have unions. This is pretty standard for teachers in Colorado, all districts are pretty similar for coverage. 

tempo_n_groove

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

Zod said:

So how much does health insurance cost in the US?  I've always been kind of curious what people (which would be interest to compare to the 40% of our tax dollars here in Canada that go to health care).

Here’s a link to what our local school district offers employees. $1224/month for the cheaper of the 2 options. That’s the employee contribution, the district pays probably about $1000 on top of that too. These are not the details of the plan either, but its titled “HDHP” which stands for “High Deductible Health Plan.” So, as you can imagine, the deductibles are pretty high and the out of pocket expense on top of the monthly premium is pretty high.
https://www.cherrycreekschools.org/cms/lib/CO50000184/Centricity/Domain/2323/Benefit%20Rates%2021%2022.pdf

As for the details of what it covers, you can read about it here if you want or here’s a screenshot of the summary.
https://www.cherrycreekschools.org/cms/lib/CO50000184/Centricity/Domain/2323/Cherry%20Creek%202021%20Guide%208_5.pdf

Basically nothing is covered u til you spend 12k out of pocket, then it’s all covered.. This is pretty standard for school districts. And most of the info is public you can look up on their website. So it costs a teacher $1224/month for a family and you have to spend $12k out of pocket before the insurance kicks in.you’d be spending 25k a year before insurance kicks in and covers anything. Not to mention the district is using about 12-15k of their funds to supplement it.

At that point I would purchase the cheapest Obamacare insurance at $200 a month and pay cash for doctor visits.  Holy shit that's horrible.

Edit:  No Union rep with this?  Teachers should be united around the states to pool for better coverage...

I looked into that, we weren’t eligible for Obamacare at the time because our employer offers coverage. We have unions. This is pretty standard for teachers in Colorado, all districts are pretty similar for coverage. 

It's things like that that would make me lose it.

"I don't want FOP gahdammit, I'm a Dapper Dan Man!"

They are forcing you to accept something that is just not economically right.

Poncier

jpgoegel said:

MA is at the uh oh stage again.  Time to wrap up in bubble wrap and dont fall down on the ice

https://www.wgbh.org/news/local-news/2022/01/04/no-icu-beds-left-massachusetts-hospitals-are-maxed-out-as-covid-continues-to-surge

Alarmist reporting, perhaps?

On yesterday's dashboard there were 441 patients reported in ICU from Covid.
April of 2020 there were 1,089.
My guess is there is some capacity in the state somewhere.
Obviously, things aren't going well currently, but I think this article is overdramatizing the situation.

mace1229

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

Zod said:

So how much does health insurance cost in the US?  I've always been kind of curious what people (which would be interest to compare to the 40% of our tax dollars here in Canada that go to health care).

Here’s a link to what our local school district offers employees. $1224/month for the cheaper of the 2 options. That’s the employee contribution, the district pays probably about $1000 on top of that too. These are not the details of the plan either, but its titled “HDHP” which stands for “High Deductible Health Plan.” So, as you can imagine, the deductibles are pretty high and the out of pocket expense on top of the monthly premium is pretty high.
https://www.cherrycreekschools.org/cms/lib/CO50000184/Centricity/Domain/2323/Benefit%20Rates%2021%2022.pdf

As for the details of what it covers, you can read about it here if you want or here’s a screenshot of the summary.
https://www.cherrycreekschools.org/cms/lib/CO50000184/Centricity/Domain/2323/Cherry%20Creek%202021%20Guide%208_5.pdf

Basically nothing is covered u til you spend 12k out of pocket, then it’s all covered.. This is pretty standard for school districts. And most of the info is public you can look up on their website. So it costs a teacher $1224/month for a family and you have to spend $12k out of pocket before the insurance kicks in.you’d be spending 25k a year before insurance kicks in and covers anything. Not to mention the district is using about 12-15k of their funds to supplement it.

At that point I would purchase the cheapest Obamacare insurance at $200 a month and pay cash for doctor visits.  Holy shit that's horrible.

Edit:  No Union rep with this?  Teachers should be united around the states to pool for better coverage...

I looked into that, we weren’t eligible for Obamacare at the time because our employer offers coverage. We have unions. This is pretty standard for teachers in Colorado, all districts are pretty similar for coverage. 

It's things like that that would make me lose it.

"I don't want FOP gahdammit, I'm a Dapper Dan Man!"

They are forcing you to accept something that is just not economically right.

Yup. It’s gotten worse for us every year since Obamacare. My theory is we legally can’t opt out so why not charge whatever they want. 

If you think about car insurance, it might cost $1000 a year and you may go several years without needed it. But that year your truck gets stolen, you are really glad you have it and think you’d be out 20k if you let it lapse.
The way our medical is, the only way I’ll be glad I have it is if we get some $80k medical bill. Even the cost of having a kid, or rack up $20k in bills with an ER visit, we would still have saved money that year by not having insurance. Literally the only way I will save money with it is if we have over 25k in medical bills in 1 year.  And even if I end up with an 80k bill, that still won’t make up for the 10 years we overpaid by 20k for minimal service.
But yet we don’t have options and I legally have to buy it.

Its designed to make the insurance companies a lot of money and not protect the insured. Many hospitals charge a fraction of the billed amount if you offer cash, because an MRI doesn’t have to cost 5k. But that’s what the insurance will bill you.

Gern Blansten

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

Zod said:

So how much does health insurance cost in the US?  I've always been kind of curious what people (which would be interest to compare to the 40% of our tax dollars here in Canada that go to health care).

Here’s a link to what our local school district offers employees. $1224/month for the cheaper of the 2 options. That’s the employee contribution, the district pays probably about $1000 on top of that too. These are not the details of the plan either, but its titled “HDHP” which stands for “High Deductible Health Plan.” So, as you can imagine, the deductibles are pretty high and the out of pocket expense on top of the monthly premium is pretty high.
https://www.cherrycreekschools.org/cms/lib/CO50000184/Centricity/Domain/2323/Benefit%20Rates%2021%2022.pdf

As for the details of what it covers, you can read about it here if you want or here’s a screenshot of the summary.
https://www.cherrycreekschools.org/cms/lib/CO50000184/Centricity/Domain/2323/Cherry%20Creek%202021%20Guide%208_5.pdf

Basically nothing is covered u til you spend 12k out of pocket, then it’s all covered.. This is pretty standard for school districts. And most of the info is public you can look up on their website. So it costs a teacher $1224/month for a family and you have to spend $12k out of pocket before the insurance kicks in.you’d be spending 25k a year before insurance kicks in and covers anything. Not to mention the district is using about 12-15k of their funds to supplement it.

At that point I would purchase the cheapest Obamacare insurance at $200 a month and pay cash for doctor visits.  Holy shit that's horrible.

Edit:  No Union rep with this?  Teachers should be united around the states to pool for better coverage...

I looked into that, we weren’t eligible for Obamacare at the time because our employer offers coverage. We have unions. This is pretty standard for teachers in Colorado, all districts are pretty similar for coverage. 

It's things like that that would make me lose it.

"I don't want FOP gahdammit, I'm a Dapper Dan Man!"

They are forcing you to accept something that is just not economically right.

Yup. It’s gotten worse for us every year since Obamacare. My theory is we legally can’t opt out so why not charge whatever they want. 

If you think about car insurance, it might cost $1000 a year and you may go several years without needed it. But that year your truck gets stolen, you are really glad you have it and think you’d be out 20k if you let it lapse.
The way our medical is, the only way I’ll be glad I have it is if we get some $80k medical bill. Even the cost of having a kid, or rack up $20k in bills with an ER visit, we would still have saved money that year by not having insurance. Literally the only way I will save money with it is if we have over 25k in medical bills in 1 year.  And even if I end up with an 80k bill, that still won’t make up for the 10 years we overpaid by 20k for minimal service.
But yet we don’t have options and I legally have to buy it.

Its designed to make the insurance companies a lot of money and not protect the insured. Many hospitals charge a fraction of the billed amount if you offer cash, because an MRI doesn’t have to cost 5k. But that’s what the insurance will bill you.

and under the ACA there are no pre-existing conditions....so you could develop cancer then as long as you could hold off until the next enrollment period, you could sign up and be insured

mace1229

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

Zod said:

So how much does health insurance cost in the US?  I've always been kind of curious what people (which would be interest to compare to the 40% of our tax dollars here in Canada that go to health care).

Here’s a link to what our local school district offers employees. $1224/month for the cheaper of the 2 options. That’s the employee contribution, the district pays probably about $1000 on top of that too. These are not the details of the plan either, but its titled “HDHP” which stands for “High Deductible Health Plan.” So, as you can imagine, the deductibles are pretty high and the out of pocket expense on top of the monthly premium is pretty high.
https://www.cherrycreekschools.org/cms/lib/CO50000184/Centricity/Domain/2323/Benefit%20Rates%2021%2022.pdf

As for the details of what it covers, you can read about it here if you want or here’s a screenshot of the summary.
https://www.cherrycreekschools.org/cms/lib/CO50000184/Centricity/Domain/2323/Cherry%20Creek%202021%20Guide%208_5.pdf

Basically nothing is covered u til you spend 12k out of pocket, then it’s all covered.. This is pretty standard for school districts. And most of the info is public you can look up on their website. So it costs a teacher $1224/month for a family and you have to spend $12k out of pocket before the insurance kicks in.you’d be spending 25k a year before insurance kicks in and covers anything. Not to mention the district is using about 12-15k of their funds to supplement it.

At that point I would purchase the cheapest Obamacare insurance at $200 a month and pay cash for doctor visits.  Holy shit that's horrible.

Edit:  No Union rep with this?  Teachers should be united around the states to pool for better coverage...

I looked into that, we weren’t eligible for Obamacare at the time because our employer offers coverage. We have unions. This is pretty standard for teachers in Colorado, all districts are pretty similar for coverage. 

It's things like that that would make me lose it.

"I don't want FOP gahdammit, I'm a Dapper Dan Man!"

They are forcing you to accept something that is just not economically right.

Yup. It’s gotten worse for us every year since Obamacare. My theory is we legally can’t opt out so why not charge whatever they want. 

If you think about car insurance, it might cost $1000 a year and you may go several years without needed it. But that year your truck gets stolen, you are really glad you have it and think you’d be out 20k if you let it lapse.
The way our medical is, the only way I’ll be glad I have it is if we get some $80k medical bill. Even the cost of having a kid, or rack up $20k in bills with an ER visit, we would still have saved money that year by not having insurance. Literally the only way I will save money with it is if we have over 25k in medical bills in 1 year.  And even if I end up with an 80k bill, that still won’t make up for the 10 years we overpaid by 20k for minimal service.
But yet we don’t have options and I legally have to buy it.

Its designed to make the insurance companies a lot of money and not protect the insured. Many hospitals charge a fraction of the billed amount if you offer cash, because an MRI doesn’t have to cost 5k. But that’s what the insurance will bill you.

and under the ACA there are no pre-existing conditions....so you could develop cancer then as long as you could hold off until the next enrollment period, you could sign up and be insured

Signing up under ACA I get no employer contributions, it wouldn’t save anything.
But kinda sad that I’d have to hope to develop cancer in order to make health insurance worth while. 

mrussel1

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

Zod said:

So how much does health insurance cost in the US?  I've always been kind of curious what people (which would be interest to compare to the 40% of our tax dollars here in Canada that go to health care).

Here’s a link to what our local school district offers employees. $1224/month for the cheaper of the 2 options. That’s the employee contribution, the district pays probably about $1000 on top of that too. These are not the details of the plan either, but its titled “HDHP” which stands for “High Deductible Health Plan.” So, as you can imagine, the deductibles are pretty high and the out of pocket expense on top of the monthly premium is pretty high.
https://www.cherrycreekschools.org/cms/lib/CO50000184/Centricity/Domain/2323/Benefit%20Rates%2021%2022.pdf

As for the details of what it covers, you can read about it here if you want or here’s a screenshot of the summary.
https://www.cherrycreekschools.org/cms/lib/CO50000184/Centricity/Domain/2323/Cherry%20Creek%202021%20Guide%208_5.pdf

Basically nothing is covered u til you spend 12k out of pocket, then it’s all covered.. This is pretty standard for school districts. And most of the info is public you can look up on their website. So it costs a teacher $1224/month for a family and you have to spend $12k out of pocket before the insurance kicks in.you’d be spending 25k a year before insurance kicks in and covers anything. Not to mention the district is using about 12-15k of their funds to supplement it.

At that point I would purchase the cheapest Obamacare insurance at $200 a month and pay cash for doctor visits.  Holy shit that's horrible.

Edit:  No Union rep with this?  Teachers should be united around the states to pool for better coverage...

I looked into that, we weren’t eligible for Obamacare at the time because our employer offers coverage. We have unions. This is pretty standard for teachers in Colorado, all districts are pretty similar for coverage. 

It's things like that that would make me lose it.

"I don't want FOP gahdammit, I'm a Dapper Dan Man!"

They are forcing you to accept something that is just not economically right.

Yup. It’s gotten worse for us every year since Obamacare. My theory is we legally can’t opt out so why not charge whatever they want. 

If you think about car insurance, it might cost $1000 a year and you may go several years without needed it. But that year your truck gets stolen, you are really glad you have it and think you’d be out 20k if you let it lapse.
The way our medical is, the only way I’ll be glad I have it is if we get some $80k medical bill. Even the cost of having a kid, or rack up $20k in bills with an ER visit, we would still have saved money that year by not having insurance. Literally the only way I will save money with it is if we have over 25k in medical bills in 1 year.  And even if I end up with an 80k bill, that still won’t make up for the 10 years we overpaid by 20k for minimal service.
But yet we don’t have options and I legally have to buy it.

Its designed to make the insurance companies a lot of money and not protect the insured. Many hospitals charge a fraction of the billed amount if you offer cash, because an MRI doesn’t have to cost 5k. But that’s what the insurance will bill you.

and under the ACA there are no pre-existing conditions....so you could develop cancer then as long as you could hold off until the next enrollment period, you could sign up and be insured

Signing up under ACA I get no employer contributions, it wouldn’t save anything.
But kinda sad that I’d have to hope to develop cancer in order to make health insurance worth while. 

Isn't that the nature of insurance? You're betting something will go wrong.  They're betting it won't. 

mace1229

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

Zod said:

So how much does health insurance cost in the US?  I've always been kind of curious what people (which would be interest to compare to the 40% of our tax dollars here in Canada that go to health care).

Here’s a link to what our local school district offers employees. $1224/month for the cheaper of the 2 options. That’s the employee contribution, the district pays probably about $1000 on top of that too. These are not the details of the plan either, but its titled “HDHP” which stands for “High Deductible Health Plan.” So, as you can imagine, the deductibles are pretty high and the out of pocket expense on top of the monthly premium is pretty high.
https://www.cherrycreekschools.org/cms/lib/CO50000184/Centricity/Domain/2323/Benefit%20Rates%2021%2022.pdf

As for the details of what it covers, you can read about it here if you want or here’s a screenshot of the summary.
https://www.cherrycreekschools.org/cms/lib/CO50000184/Centricity/Domain/2323/Cherry%20Creek%202021%20Guide%208_5.pdf

Basically nothing is covered u til you spend 12k out of pocket, then it’s all covered.. This is pretty standard for school districts. And most of the info is public you can look up on their website. So it costs a teacher $1224/month for a family and you have to spend $12k out of pocket before the insurance kicks in.you’d be spending 25k a year before insurance kicks in and covers anything. Not to mention the district is using about 12-15k of their funds to supplement it.

At that point I would purchase the cheapest Obamacare insurance at $200 a month and pay cash for doctor visits.  Holy shit that's horrible.

Edit:  No Union rep with this?  Teachers should be united around the states to pool for better coverage...

I looked into that, we weren’t eligible for Obamacare at the time because our employer offers coverage. We have unions. This is pretty standard for teachers in Colorado, all districts are pretty similar for coverage. 

It's things like that that would make me lose it.

"I don't want FOP gahdammit, I'm a Dapper Dan Man!"

They are forcing you to accept something that is just not economically right.

Yup. It’s gotten worse for us every year since Obamacare. My theory is we legally can’t opt out so why not charge whatever they want. 

If you think about car insurance, it might cost $1000 a year and you may go several years without needed it. But that year your truck gets stolen, you are really glad you have it and think you’d be out 20k if you let it lapse.
The way our medical is, the only way I’ll be glad I have it is if we get some $80k medical bill. Even the cost of having a kid, or rack up $20k in bills with an ER visit, we would still have saved money that year by not having insurance. Literally the only way I will save money with it is if we have over 25k in medical bills in 1 year.  And even if I end up with an 80k bill, that still won’t make up for the 10 years we overpaid by 20k for minimal service.
But yet we don’t have options and I legally have to buy it.

Its designed to make the insurance companies a lot of money and not protect the insured. Many hospitals charge a fraction of the billed amount if you offer cash, because an MRI doesn’t have to cost 5k. But that’s what the insurance will bill you.

and under the ACA there are no pre-existing conditions....so you could develop cancer then as long as you could hold off until the next enrollment period, you could sign up and be insured

Signing up under ACA I get no employer contributions, it wouldn’t save anything.
But kinda sad that I’d have to hope to develop cancer in order to make health insurance worth while. 

Isn't that the nature of insurance? You're betting something will go wrong.  They're betting it won't. 

To some extent, yes. I just don’t agree it should be forced at such extreme odds. The plan I shared above, for teachers in Denver, costs $1224 a month and doesn’t cover anything until you spend an additional $12k out of pocket for your deductible. At that cost, it should kick in way before that. 

I shared earlier even when we had a baby it would have been better off to be uninsured. And my wife spent 3 nights in the hospital and our kid I think had to do 5 because of jondis and other things. After our copays and premiums, we still would have spent less just being uninsured and paying the bill ourselves.

That’s like having a car worth 40k, paying $500 a month for insurance and having a deductible of 30k. The only way you’d benefit is if the car is stolen or totaled, but for $500 a month it should cover the damage in a fender-bender too. The risk/reward is way out of wack. I wouldn’t have car insurance if that’s all that was available.

jpgoegel

Poncier said:

jpgoegel said:

MA is at the uh oh stage again.  Time to wrap up in bubble wrap and dont fall down on the ice

https://www.wgbh.org/news/local-news/2022/01/04/no-icu-beds-left-massachusetts-hospitals-are-maxed-out-as-covid-continues-to-surge

Alarmist reporting, perhaps?

On yesterday's dashboard there were 441 patients reported in ICU from Covid.
April of 2020 there were 1,089.
My guess is there is some capacity in the state somewhere.
Obviously, things aren't going well currently, but I think this article is overdramatizing the situation.

could be, for sure.   im not sure where those stats are located.   i just pay attention, or more so where to look for my kids school numbers. 

jpgoegel

jpgoegel said:

MA is at the uh oh stage again.  Time to wrap up in bubble wrap and dont fall down on the ice

https://www.wgbh.org/news/local-news/2022/01/04/no-icu-beds-left-massachusetts-hospitals-are-maxed-out-as-covid-continues-to-surge

Alarmist reporting, perhaps?

On yesterday's dashboard there were 441 patients reported in ICU from Covid.
April of 2020 there were 1,089.
My guess is there is some capacity in the state somewhere.
Obviously, things aren't going well currently, but I think this article is overdramatizing the situation.

doesnt have today's numbers but im guessing this is where to go?   looks on par with your numbers

https://www.mass.gov/info-details/covid-19-response-reporting

Zod

So it sounds like both the Canadian systems and US system are kind of f'd.

Here in Canada, because of the lack of Doctors, I'm unlikely to catch or have something looked before it gets to the point it's irreversable (this is starting to happen a lot here).  No GPs, no annual doctor visits etc, you kind of go until your fucked, and then its too late.

The US has big insurance premiums and big deductibles, so you're basically paying that stuff out of pocket.  Between the premiums and deductables it sounds like it would cost me about double of the 40% of my taxes that go to health care.

seems like both systems are kind of rubbish.

Poncier

jpgoegel said:

jpgoegel said:

MA is at the uh oh stage again.  Time to wrap up in bubble wrap and dont fall down on the ice

https://www.wgbh.org/news/local-news/2022/01/04/no-icu-beds-left-massachusetts-hospitals-are-maxed-out-as-covid-continues-to-surge

Alarmist reporting, perhaps?

On yesterday's dashboard there were 441 patients reported in ICU from Covid.
April of 2020 there were 1,089.
My guess is there is some capacity in the state somewhere.
Obviously, things aren't going well currently, but I think this article is overdramatizing the situation.

doesnt have today's numbers but im guessing this is where to go?   looks on par with your numbers

https://www.mass.gov/info-details/covid-19-response-reporting

Yep, that's the state dashboard, updated daily (Monday-Friday) at 5PM. Shows data through previous day, so the 427 number is a drop from Tuesday's report of 441 ICU patients.

jpgoegel

excellent!   learn something every day, gracias

Halifax2TheMax

Yay! Fly them home on a military C-130, make them pay for it, quarantine them in a military hanger upon arrival and put them on a no-fly list. Or, let them figure out how to get home.

Partying passengers stuck in Mexico after airlines decline to fly them home | CNN Travel

Meltdown99

They are Canadian, it’s cold here in January.  Threatening to leave a Canadian in Mexico in January is not much of a threat.   Drag their ass back so they can freeze like the rest of us…

Poncier

Bentleyspop said:

And another.....

https://twitter.com/MikeSington/status/1475821514234613763?t=qOFiVlxi-R83AekeI0K73g&s=19

He gone.

COVID-Infected Radio Host Douglas Kuzma Dies After QAnon-Friendly Conference With Baseless Anthrax Rumors (thedailybeast.com)

Halifax2TheMax

Meltdown99 said:

They are Canadian, it’s cold here in January.  Threatening to leave a Canadian in Mexico in January is not much of a threat.   Drag their ass back so they can freeze like the rest of us…

I'd imagine it'd get expensive and it'd be difficult to go to work or school or to keep your job or enrollment. Or feed the cat. Maybe these folks are members of the glitterati and don't have such concerns?

HughFreakingDillon

Halifax2TheMax said:

Meltdown99 said:

They are Canadian, it’s cold here in January.  Threatening to leave a Canadian in Mexico in January is not much of a threat.   Drag their ass back so they can freeze like the rest of us…

I'd imagine it'd get expensive and it'd be difficult to go to work or school or to keep your job or enrollment. Or feed the cat. Maybe these folks are members of the glitterati and don't have such concerns?

I'll let you know. My sister went to mexico Dec 25 and came back Jan 1. her friend's husband tested positive before the flight back, so he had to stay. I'll be interested to know what happens. 

Meltdown99

It was a charter flight and I think they were influencers...i think they can make youtube videos and whatnot on a beach in Mexico...there is not a good reason to want go back to Quebec anytime soon.  They are locked down with a curfew...

HughFreakingDillon

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Meltdown99 said:

They are Canadian, it’s cold here in January.  Threatening to leave a Canadian in Mexico in January is not much of a threat.   Drag their ass back so they can freeze like the rest of us…

I'd imagine it'd get expensive and it'd be difficult to go to work or school or to keep your job or enrollment. Or feed the cat. Maybe these folks are members of the glitterati and don't have such concerns?

I'll let you know. My sister went to mexico Dec 25 and came back Jan 1. her friend's husband tested positive before the flight back, so he had to stay. I'll be interested to know what happens. 

oh, you guys are specifically talking about THAT flight. I thought you just meant travelling in general. yeah, my sister wasn't on that flight. lol