Today's primary source UK data on vaccine efficacy with omicron and child vaccine data.
Thanks for this Tish.
I also saw this today.
COVID-19: U.S. children hospitalized in record numbers as vaccinations lag
"During the week of Dec. 22-28, an average of 378 children 17 and under were admitted per day to hospitals with the coronavirus, a 66 per cent increase from the week before, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Thursday"
And Fauci confirmed that a Covid positive kid with a broken arm counts as part of that 378. No Covid issues, broken arm. We need legitimate numbers.
That's such a red herring. Kids rarely end up in the hospital. And you don't get hospitalized for a broken arm either unless it's shattered and you need major surgery. Point is that is hospitalizations suddenly have spiked in the last month, you can feel pretty confident it's COVID. There's not a broken arm epidemic happening.
They won't respond to this.
Everytime a valid point is made they move the goalposts.
It's almost impossible to have a disagreement in good faith with most people hear because I guess they just can't handle bad news.
So when Fauci explains that some of the 378 are kids that tested positive but were admitted for other reasons, we should just ignore that as a red herring? Kids get COVID and can get seriously ill (super rare), but let's get the numbers right. The 378 number is not a correct number per Dr. Fauci if wanting to understand how many kids are being admitted for COVID reasons.
The point is, what does 378 even mean? Unless you have a habit of monitoring seasonal children's hospitalization numbers, then that number would mean nothing to you, or me. The question is are the numbers significantly higher than historic numbers? If yes, well then there you go. The raw numbers of how many are there doesn't matter when comparing averages because that's baked into the numbers. Further, if a child has a mild case of COVID while recovered from the ailment that landed the child in the hospital, the child will be released. They aren't going to occupy a bed with a mild case.
Now this is a number I would love to see. We used excess deaths the last couple of years as a measure to prove how deadly this virus is testing positive or not. Hospitalizations should be used in the same way imo.
Again though it should be easy to differentiate between being in with or from covid. I am not a conspiracy nut (far from it) but you have to ask yourself why are we not getting these numbers?
Because I think the number is immaterial.
I am not following how it is immaterial even with your last above posts reasoning. If half of the 378 daily cases (just using that one as an example) are in the hospital with covid and covid is not being treated that is a number I would like to know. I would also like to know how hospitals are fairing compared to 2018/2019 as well. More accurate info the better imo.
I'm saying the number of kids in the hospital for something else AND has a mild case of COVID is likely immaterial. But again, compare the number of kids in the hospital now vs this time two years ago for a given state, region, etc., and that's your answer to the fundamental question as to whether COVID in kids is causing a high number of very sick children.
We could just ask a few doctors and ask what they are currently seeing?
I don't buy anecdotes. One would think the real number could be obtained.
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maybe Fauci should let the CDC speak for themselves. He doesn't to my knowledge work for them. He leads NIAID...
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no one (that I've seen) has been saying we'll vaccine our way out of this. at least not lately. vaccines are the best way to keep our health care system afloat. if you don't understand that at this point......
The chance to vaccine out of this or to a much better place has come and gone. We messed it up by having so many Unvaxed. Now this is a part of life moving forward.
Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…
just kidding it has never been great…
Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!
Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…
just kidding it has never been great…
Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!
Oh please. Cry me a river. We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis. And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again. The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system.
Give Peas A Chance…
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hospitals here are also restricting elective type procedures.
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Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…
just kidding it has never been great…
Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!
Oh please. Cry me a river. We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis. And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again. The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system.
I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.
our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal.
until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that.
I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes.
Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…
just kidding it has never been great…
Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!
Oh please. Cry me a river. We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis. And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again. The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system.
I would take Canada's system over the US any day. Our medical equipment reps (no medical degree....some probably have no degrees at all) can make $700K/year.
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Of all western countries, Canada has one of them, if not the worst socialized system. Ontario 15 million citizens with an ICU capacity around 500-700...that's it. My brother-in-law has had his hip surgery cancelled 3 times and starting Wednesday all these procedures get cancelled for the foreseeable future...yup great system we have...
Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…
just kidding it has never been great…
Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!
Oh please. Cry me a river. We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis. And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again. The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system.
I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.
our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal.
until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that.
I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes.
Our healthcare plan is about 2k a month. About half is paid by us and half by our employer. So if you’re self employed you pay the whole 2k. And the copays are often terrible. $30 for a regular dr visit, that’s not bad. But if they run tests, lab work, X-rays, or see a specialist that’s all additional. Urgent care visit for something simple will usually run about $500. Emergency room is going to be a minimum of 2k, and that’s assuming it’s a short in and out visit. It’s several thousand a day if you stay over night.
Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…
just kidding it has never been great…
Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!
Oh please. Cry me a river. We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis. And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again. The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system.
I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.
our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal.
until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that.
I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes.
Our healthcare plan is about 2k a month. About half is paid by us and half by our employer. So if you’re self employed you pay the whole 2k. And the copays are often terrible. $30 for a regular dr visit, that’s not bad. But if they run tests, lab work, X-rays, or see a specialist that’s all additional. Urgent care visit for something simple will usually run about $500. Emergency room is going to be a minimum of 2k, and that’s assuming it’s a short in and out visit. It’s several thousand a day if you stay over night.
Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…
just kidding it has never been great…
Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!
Oh please. Cry me a river. We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis. And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again. The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system.
I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.
our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal.
until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that.
I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes.
Well said. Would be a shame to lose such reasoned and thoughtful discussions!
Another thing people aren't taking into account here in the US is that due to our lack of affordable health care access and poor relationship to the healthcare for profit complex, we are seeing the problems such as vaccine and healthcare mistrust. Not surprising that a centralized system like canada that allows greater and easier healthcare access has more citizens willing to get the vaccine and take care of themselves 78% fully vaxxed vs 62% here.
Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…
just kidding it has never been great…
Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!
Oh please. Cry me a river. We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis. And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again. The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system.
I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.
our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal.
until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that.
I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes.
Well said. Would be a shame to lose such reasoned and thoughtful discussions!
Another thing people aren't taking into account here in the US is that due to our lack of affordable health care access and poor relationship to the healthcare for profit complex, we are seeing the problems such as vaccine and healthcare mistrust. Not surprising that a centralized system like canada that allows greater and easier healthcare access has more citizens willing to get the vaccine and take care of themselves 78% fully vaxxed vs 62% here.
You should stop talking about the Canadian system. It’s absolutely clear you know nothing about the system nor would you even take the time to look at it…what makes you think our system is centralized? Do you think the entire system is government? There are plenty of private healthcare operators in the Canadian System? Quebec has private clinics. They are known for private clinics. Just because you perceive the system as free and not for profit does not make it so…that is the biggest lie and farce about our healthcare system. I recently had a procedure done at a private clinic funded by OHIP…
Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…
just kidding it has never been great…
Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!
Oh please. Cry me a river. We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis. And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again. The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system.
I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.
our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal.
until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that.
I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes.
Well said. Would be a shame to lose such reasoned and thoughtful discussions!
Another thing people aren't taking into account here in the US is that due to our lack of affordable health care access and poor relationship to the healthcare for profit complex, we are seeing the problems such as vaccine and healthcare mistrust. Not surprising that a centralized system like canada that allows greater and easier healthcare access has more citizens willing to get the vaccine and take care of themselves 78% fully vaxxed vs 62% here.
You should stop talking about the Canadian system. It’s absolutely clear you know nothing about the system nor would you even take the time to look at it…what makes you think our system is centralized? Do you think the entire system is government? There are plenty of private healthcare operators in the Canadian System? Quebec has private clinics. They are known for private clinics. Just because you perceive the system as free and not for profit does not make it so…that is the biggest lie and farce about our healthcare system. I recently had a procedure done at a private clinic funded by OHIP…
Is necessary health care available and free at point of use for all canadian citizens? Sure maybe each province has its own way of organizing things, but if it is subsidized by taxes and the Federal Government of your country, it sounds centralized to me.. My point is it is easier and more cost effective for canadians to get access to basic healthcare than in the US. I'm sure when it comes to elective surgeries and other more serious matters it isn't so simple in Canada, hence the need for additional private practices and insurance.
Not sure why you want to go around like people are pissing in your cornflakes all day. My original point was that our for profit capitalistic system south of the border isn't so hot either. And since we get taxed on top of our $1000 a month premiums, I'd rather get basic healthcare for free since I'm getting taxed up my ass anyways.
Of all western countries, Canada has one of them, if not the worst socialized system. Ontario 15 million citizens with an ICU capacity around 500-700...that's it. My brother-in-law has had his hip surgery cancelled 3 times and starting Wednesday all these procedures get cancelled for the foreseeable future...yup great system we have...
and yet Canada still rates higher than the US according to the WHO
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Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…
just kidding it has never been great…
Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!
Oh please. Cry me a river. We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis. And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again. The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system.
I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.
our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal.
until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that.
I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes.
Well said. Would be a shame to lose such reasoned and thoughtful discussions!
Another thing people aren't taking into account here in the US is that due to our lack of affordable health care access and poor relationship to the healthcare for profit complex, we are seeing the problems such as vaccine and healthcare mistrust. Not surprising that a centralized system like canada that allows greater and easier healthcare access has more citizens willing to get the vaccine and take care of themselves 78% fully vaxxed vs 62% here.
You should stop talking about the Canadian system. It’s absolutely clear you know nothing about the system nor would you even take the time to look at it…what makes you think our system is centralized? Do you think the entire system is government? There are plenty of private healthcare operators in the Canadian System? Quebec has private clinics. They are known for private clinics. Just because you perceive the system as free and not for profit does not make it so…that is the biggest lie and farce about our healthcare system. I recently had a procedure done at a private clinic funded by OHIP…
And just to get some clarity on the issue, how much a month do you pay in premiums to private insurance? Do you have out of pocket expenses that are not covered OHIP? Outside of taxes what is your monthly out of pocket expense for healthcare?
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Ontario returns to Step 2 of reopening plan on Wednesday; students pivot to remote learning, indoor dining, gyms to be closed
only 2 weeks, they say. Get vaccinated they said? Groundhog Day
just kidding it has never been great…
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memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal.
until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that.
I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes.
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you know Omicron
now get ready for ..
Flurona
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And the copays are often terrible. $30 for a regular dr visit, that’s not bad. But if they run tests, lab work, X-rays, or see a specialist that’s all additional.
Urgent care visit for something simple will usually run about $500. Emergency room is going to be a minimum of 2k, and that’s assuming it’s a short in and out visit. It’s several thousand a day if you stay over night.
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Another thing people aren't taking into account here in the US is that due to our lack of affordable health care access and poor relationship to the healthcare for profit complex, we are seeing the problems such as vaccine and healthcare mistrust. Not surprising that a centralized system like canada that allows greater and easier healthcare access has more citizens willing to get the vaccine and take care of themselves 78% fully vaxxed vs 62% here.
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Not sure why you want to go around like people are pissing in your cornflakes all day. My original point was that our for profit capitalistic system south of the border isn't so hot either. And since we get taxed on top of our $1000 a month premiums, I'd rather get basic healthcare for free since I'm getting taxed up my ass anyways.
There are no kings inside the gates of eden
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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