Viruses / Vaccines

PJNB

tish said:

^^I'm glad they're trying to get you to the other side of that peak. I thought I read parts of NB can't socialize beyond the house? 

Last year we didn't know what we could here. Parents were gonna Halloween candy hunt with flashlights in our homes. We did an outdoor scare walk. I'm so proud of my kid. 2 of her friends cried. When Pipsqeak told me she peed herself a little, I thought it was because she, too, was afraid. Nope she pissed herself laughing at them. 

Enjoy the kiddos this year, PJNB!

Will do! Hope all is good with you guys as well. That is awesome with the outdoor scare walk. My kids would not be into that yet but look forward to when they do. 

Gern Blansten

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/kiss-francis-stueber-covid-tour-protocols-death-1249590/?fbclid=IwAR0hScRJ0f-YA5TdwxlgjgAVQ5BGV1oUtZMGDUakws_rQxC8MBPotrubCNk

Sad...

mickeyrat

Gern Blansten said:

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/kiss-francis-stueber-covid-tour-protocols-death-1249590/?fbclid=IwAR0hScRJ0f-YA5TdwxlgjgAVQ5BGV1oUtZMGDUakws_rQxC8MBPotrubCNk

Sad...

had KISS just stayed the fuck home or retired after any one of their other last tour forever tours , this man might still be alive.

brianlux

This didn't help:

" ...the band reveals that workers concealed sickness and even faked vaccine cards in some cases."

mickeyrat

brianlux said:

This didn't help:

" ...the band reveals that workers concealed sickness and even faked vaccine cards in some cases."

which could have been made known with testing..... before and during the tour.

F Me In The Brain

"But guys, Pearl Jam is so negative for not touring.  They should be playing all over, everyone else is."

blahblahblahblah

/s

nicknyr15

F Me In The Brain said:

"But guys, Pearl Jam is so negative for not touring.  They should be playing all over, everyone else is."

blahblahblahblah

/s

Fuck kiss, but in all fairness, plenty if not most bands have returned to touring in a responsible and safe way. 

Gern Blansten

I'm going to see Silversun Pickups in Indy next week. The venue requires proof of vax or negative test and mask wearing inside.

It's amazing to see people still bitching about that.

static111

Gern Blansten said:

I'm going to see Silversun Pickups in Indy next week. The venue requires proof of vax or negative test and mask wearing inside.

It's amazing to see people still bitching about that.

Are you really surprised?  People are tired of it all, and it is likely that where we are now as a country is as good as it gets with covid unless it goes away.   We can't solve guns, underfunding of education, misinformation, the environment, equal rights, voting rights etc, but somehow more is expected when it comes to dealing with a virus?

brianlux

Gern Blansten said:

I'm going to see Silversun Pickups in Indy next week. The venue requires proof of vax or negative test and mask wearing inside.

It's amazing to see people still bitching about that.

For sure.  And not just for shows.  Everywhere.  Parents encouraging their kids to walk out of school in protest.  People not wearing masks in grocery stores. And on and on.  More freedumb in the Land of the Free Dumb.

Gern Blansten

static111 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I'm going to see Silversun Pickups in Indy next week. The venue requires proof of vax or negative test and mask wearing inside.

It's amazing to see people still bitching about that.

Are you really surprised?  People are tired of it all, and it is likely that where we are now as a country is as good as it gets with covid unless it goes away.   We can't solve guns, underfunding of education, misinformation, the environment, equal rights, voting rights etc, but somehow more is expected when it comes to dealing with a virus?

Not surprised....Indiana is full of tRumpsters

Indifference

interesting - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-28/getting-vaccinated-doesn-t-stop-people-from-spreading-delta

nicknyr15

Indifference said:

interesting - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-28/getting-vaccinated-doesn-t-stop-people-from-spreading-delta

Nothing new. That’s why I laugh when people claim it’s to protect those around you. The vaccine has become : protect yourself and not overwhelm the hospitals by getting very sick. And I’m totally for being vaccinated. Stupid not to. 

cincybearcat

Indifference said:

interesting - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-28/getting-vaccinated-doesn-t-stop-people-from-spreading-delta

My workplace has bi-weekly meetings with individuals tasked to read the actual studies and provide information. After initially saying that a vaccinated person who got delta passed it on just like a non-vac person for the first 3-5 days and then a huge drop off….they recently updated saying the the amount of active virus shed by vaccinated people was actually far less than unvaccinated. Meaning while the same amount of virus is shed…in the vaccinated only a smaller percentage of that load could cause others to be infected. 

HughFreakingDillon

nicknyr15 said:

Indifference said:

interesting - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-28/getting-vaccinated-doesn-t-stop-people-from-spreading-delta

Nothing new. That’s why I laugh when people claim it’s to protect those around you. The vaccine has become : protect yourself and not overwhelm the hospitals by getting very sick. And I’m totally for being vaccinated. Stupid not to. 

it helps prevent symptomatic illness. how do you think it's mostly spread? coughing, sneezing, etc. so yes, it does protect those around you. 

nicknyr15

HughFreakingDillon said:

nicknyr15 said:

Indifference said:

interesting - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-28/getting-vaccinated-doesn-t-stop-people-from-spreading-delta

Nothing new. That’s why I laugh when people claim it’s to protect those around you. The vaccine has become : protect yourself and not overwhelm the hospitals by getting very sick. And I’m totally for being vaccinated. Stupid not to. 

it helps prevent symptomatic illness. how do you think it's mostly spread? coughing, sneezing, etc. so yes, it does protect those around you. 

Primarily protects yourself. I think “others” way less than what was first communicated when the vaccine first was available. Just like when fauci and others said a vaccine mandate would impede on peoples rights and would never happen. A lot has been said. 

Don’t take what I’m saying as a political statement. It just is what it is.

jpgoegel

Ive been to 4-5 shows since August.  The difference in 'checking' has been concerning.    One was outside, no notice for any requirement, no check at all, and maybe 1% of attendees masked.   Next was inside, small venue, with a possibility of record/vax check.  None was done and maybe 25% masked.   The other was inside, 800 capacity, non-seated venue with vax/test requirement.  They thoroughly checked, even to the point where i showed them my booster card by mistake and they made me show my double dosed one, but did not match my card(s) to my ID.  That show had 50%+ masked.  The last one was similar, higher capacity though 1500+.  Same sort of deal they checked my cards as it was required, but not to my ID. 

There's a lot of care needed for this all to work.  It rests with the attendees being honest with their records, the venues for checking properly as well as the band/crew to heed the same requirements they ask of the attendees.  It's sad that someone perished (the kiss tech) and where the fault is can easily and shortly put on him if he was unvaxxed but we all have to try and take care of each other. 

HughFreakingDillon

I didn't take what you were saying as political. just incorrect. 

mrussel1

nicknyr15 said:

Indifference said:

interesting - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-28/getting-vaccinated-doesn-t-stop-people-from-spreading-delta

Nothing new. That’s why I laugh when people claim it’s to protect those around you. The vaccine has become : protect yourself and not overwhelm the hospitals by getting very sick. And I’m totally for being vaccinated. Stupid not to. 

Not necessarily.  Remember your chance if getting covid is dramatically reduced by the vax. This study just says if you're a breakthrough,  you can spread it.  But your chances of spreading are lower by never getting it. 

Merkin Baller

mrussel1 said:

nicknyr15 said:

Indifference said:

interesting - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-28/getting-vaccinated-doesn-t-stop-people-from-spreading-delta

Nothing new. That’s why I laugh when people claim it’s to protect those around you. The vaccine has become : protect yourself and not overwhelm the hospitals by getting very sick. And I’m totally for being vaccinated. Stupid not to. 

Not necessarily.  Remember your chance if getting covid is dramatically reduced by the vax. This study just says if you're a breakthrough,  you can spread it.  But your chances of spreading are lower by never getting it. 

The study was also about the Delta variant, specifically.