Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…
just kidding it has never been great…
Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!
Oh please. Cry me a river. We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis. And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again. The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system.
I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.
our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal.
until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that.
I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes.
Well said. Would be a shame to lose such reasoned and thoughtful discussions!
Another thing people aren't taking into account here in the US is that due to our lack of affordable health care access and poor relationship to the healthcare for profit complex, we are seeing the problems such as vaccine and healthcare mistrust. Not surprising that a centralized system like canada that allows greater and easier healthcare access has more citizens willing to get the vaccine and take care of themselves 78% fully vaxxed vs 62% here.
You should stop talking about the Canadian system. It’s absolutely clear you know nothing about the system nor would you even take the time to look at it…what makes you think our system is centralized? Do you think the entire system is government? There are plenty of private healthcare operators in the Canadian System? Quebec has private clinics. They are known for private clinics. Just because you perceive the system as free and not for profit does not make it so…that is the biggest lie and farce about our healthcare system. I recently had a procedure done at a private clinic funded by OHIP…
And just to get some clarity on the issue, how much a month do you pay in premiums to private insurance? Do you have out of pocket expenses that are not covered OHIP? Outside of taxes what is your monthly out of pocket expense for healthcare?
But how can you fairly evaluate without understanding the tax rate?
Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…
just kidding it has never been great…
Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!
Oh please. Cry me a river. We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis. And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again. The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system.
I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.
our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal.
until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that.
I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes.
Our healthcare plan is about 2k a month. About half is paid by us and half by our employer. So if you’re self employed you pay the whole 2k. And the copays are often terrible. $30 for a regular dr visit, that’s not bad. But if they run tests, lab work, X-rays, or see a specialist that’s all additional. Urgent care visit for something simple will usually run about $500. Emergency room is going to be a minimum of 2k, and that’s assuming it’s a short in and out visit. It’s several thousand a day if you stay over night.
And the paperwork...a daily barrage of bills or mailings that clearing say "this is not a bill" but then you get double the paper a month later that is the bill that the previous paperwork related to.
And then you get collection calls because you didn't pay the "bills" that you were unable to decifer.
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Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…
just kidding it has never been great…
Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!
Oh please. Cry me a river. We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis. And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again. The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system.
I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.
our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal.
until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that.
I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes.
Well said. Would be a shame to lose such reasoned and thoughtful discussions!
Another thing people aren't taking into account here in the US is that due to our lack of affordable health care access and poor relationship to the healthcare for profit complex, we are seeing the problems such as vaccine and healthcare mistrust. Not surprising that a centralized system like canada that allows greater and easier healthcare access has more citizens willing to get the vaccine and take care of themselves 78% fully vaxxed vs 62% here.
You should stop talking about the Canadian system. It’s absolutely clear you know nothing about the system nor would you even take the time to look at it…what makes you think our system is centralized? Do you think the entire system is government? There are plenty of private healthcare operators in the Canadian System? Quebec has private clinics. They are known for private clinics. Just because you perceive the system as free and not for profit does not make it so…that is the biggest lie and farce about our healthcare system. I recently had a procedure done at a private clinic funded by OHIP…
And just to get some clarity on the issue, how much a month do you pay in premiums to private insurance? Do you have out of pocket expenses that are not covered OHIP? Outside of taxes what is your monthly out of pocket expense for healthcare?
But how can you fairly evaluate without understanding the tax rate?
Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…
just kidding it has never been great…
Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!
Oh please. Cry me a river. We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis. And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again. The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system.
I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.
our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal.
until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that.
I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes.
Well said. Would be a shame to lose such reasoned and thoughtful discussions!
Another thing people aren't taking into account here in the US is that due to our lack of affordable health care access and poor relationship to the healthcare for profit complex, we are seeing the problems such as vaccine and healthcare mistrust. Not surprising that a centralized system like canada that allows greater and easier healthcare access has more citizens willing to get the vaccine and take care of themselves 78% fully vaxxed vs 62% here.
You should stop talking about the Canadian system. It’s absolutely clear you know nothing about the system nor would you even take the time to look at it…what makes you think our system is centralized? Do you think the entire system is government? There are plenty of private healthcare operators in the Canadian System? Quebec has private clinics. They are known for private clinics. Just because you perceive the system as free and not for profit does not make it so…that is the biggest lie and farce about our healthcare system. I recently had a procedure done at a private clinic funded by OHIP…
And just to get some clarity on the issue, how much a month do you pay in premiums to private insurance? Do you have out of pocket expenses that are not covered OHIP? Outside of taxes what is your monthly out of pocket expense for healthcare?
But how can you fairly evaluate without understanding the tax rate?
Federal tax bracket
Federal tax rates
Ontario tax rates
$49,020 or less
15.00%
5.05%
$49,021 to $98,040
20.50%
9.15%
$98,041 to $151,978
26.00%
11.16%
$151,979 to $216,511
29.00%
12.16%
Do you have any idea how much the average Canadian pays in taxes? Not just income tax? Really, do you? Not just a quick google search.
That's just income tax. Now let's talk property tax, carbon tax, sales taxes, gas taxes, payroll taxes (which just got increased) and I'm sure there are many more being left out...Canada is so overtaxed our healthcare should be running like a well-oiled machine, not like a Russian Lada...
Politicians in Canada have never met a tax they did not like and eventually con Canadians into accepting as somehow beneficial...
That's just income tax. Now let's talk property tax, carbon tax, sales taxes, gas taxes, payroll taxes (which just got increased) and I'm sure there are many more being left out...Canada is so overtaxed our healthcare should be running like a well-oiled machine, not like a Russian Lada...
Politicians in Canada have never met a tax they did not like and eventually con Canadians into accepting as somehow beneficial...
Actually, the third line of the article you linked says this is total tax and includes property tax, sales tax and others in addition to income tax.
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Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…
just kidding it has never been great…
Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!
Oh please. Cry me a river. We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis. And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again. The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system.
I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.
our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal.
until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that.
I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes.
Our healthcare plan is about 2k a month. About half is paid by us and half by our employer. So if you’re self employed you pay the whole 2k. And the copays are often terrible. $30 for a regular dr visit, that’s not bad. But if they run tests, lab work, X-rays, or see a specialist that’s all additional. Urgent care visit for something simple will usually run about $500. Emergency room is going to be a minimum of 2k, and that’s assuming it’s a short in and out visit. It’s several thousand a day if you stay over night.
Sounds like you need a new plan.
Don’t have a choice, only one offered. Only other option is paying fully out of pocket for the insurance.
Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…
just kidding it has never been great…
Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!
Oh please. Cry me a river. We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis. And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again. The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system.
I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.
our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal.
until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that.
I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes.
Well said. Would be a shame to lose such reasoned and thoughtful discussions!
Another thing people aren't taking into account here in the US is that due to our lack of affordable health care access and poor relationship to the healthcare for profit complex, we are seeing the problems such as vaccine and healthcare mistrust. Not surprising that a centralized system like canada that allows greater and easier healthcare access has more citizens willing to get the vaccine and take care of themselves 78% fully vaxxed vs 62% here.
You should stop talking about the Canadian system. It’s absolutely clear you know nothing about the system nor would you even take the time to look at it…what makes you think our system is centralized? Do you think the entire system is government? There are plenty of private healthcare operators in the Canadian System? Quebec has private clinics. They are known for private clinics. Just because you perceive the system as free and not for profit does not make it so…that is the biggest lie and farce about our healthcare system. I recently had a procedure done at a private clinic funded by OHIP…
And just to get some clarity on the issue, how much a month do you pay in premiums to private insurance? Do you have out of pocket expenses that are not covered OHIP? Outside of taxes what is your monthly out of pocket expense for healthcare?
But how can you fairly evaluate without understanding the tax rate?
Federal tax bracket
Federal tax rates
Ontario tax rates
$49,020 or less
15.00%
5.05%
$49,021 to $98,040
20.50%
9.15%
$98,041 to $151,978
26.00%
11.16%
$151,979 to $216,511
29.00%
12.16%
Isn't that just provincial, excluding the federal taxes? Plus you have double digit goods taxes too, which I think are essentially the equivalent of sales tax. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…
just kidding it has never been great…
Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!
Oh please. Cry me a river. We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis. And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again. The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system.
I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.
our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal.
until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that.
I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes.
Well said. Would be a shame to lose such reasoned and thoughtful discussions!
Another thing people aren't taking into account here in the US is that due to our lack of affordable health care access and poor relationship to the healthcare for profit complex, we are seeing the problems such as vaccine and healthcare mistrust. Not surprising that a centralized system like canada that allows greater and easier healthcare access has more citizens willing to get the vaccine and take care of themselves 78% fully vaxxed vs 62% here.
You should stop talking about the Canadian system. It’s absolutely clear you know nothing about the system nor would you even take the time to look at it…what makes you think our system is centralized? Do you think the entire system is government? There are plenty of private healthcare operators in the Canadian System? Quebec has private clinics. They are known for private clinics. Just because you perceive the system as free and not for profit does not make it so…that is the biggest lie and farce about our healthcare system. I recently had a procedure done at a private clinic funded by OHIP…
And just to get some clarity on the issue, how much a month do you pay in premiums to private insurance? Do you have out of pocket expenses that are not covered OHIP? Outside of taxes what is your monthly out of pocket expense for healthcare?
But how can you fairly evaluate without understanding the tax rate?
Federal tax bracket
Federal tax rates
Ontario tax rates
$49,020 or less
15.00%
5.05%
$49,021 to $98,040
20.50%
9.15%
$98,041 to $151,978
26.00%
11.16%
$151,979 to $216,511
29.00%
12.16%
Isn't that just provincial, excluding the federal taxes? Plus you have double digit goods taxes too, which I think are essentially the equivalent of sales tax. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
GST (goods and services tax) is 5% on most products and services. PST (provincial sales tax) in MB is 6%. Alberta doesn't have one. some have a blended GST/PST called HST (hybrid sales tax) that hovers around 13%.
but there are state and local level sales taxes, are there not? sure, you aren't paying 13%, but some states are hovering around 10, no?
Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…
just kidding it has never been great…
Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!
Oh please. Cry me a river. We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis. And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again. The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system.
I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.
our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal.
until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that.
I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes.
Well said. Would be a shame to lose such reasoned and thoughtful discussions!
Another thing people aren't taking into account here in the US is that due to our lack of affordable health care access and poor relationship to the healthcare for profit complex, we are seeing the problems such as vaccine and healthcare mistrust. Not surprising that a centralized system like canada that allows greater and easier healthcare access has more citizens willing to get the vaccine and take care of themselves 78% fully vaxxed vs 62% here.
You should stop talking about the Canadian system. It’s absolutely clear you know nothing about the system nor would you even take the time to look at it…what makes you think our system is centralized? Do you think the entire system is government? There are plenty of private healthcare operators in the Canadian System? Quebec has private clinics. They are known for private clinics. Just because you perceive the system as free and not for profit does not make it so…that is the biggest lie and farce about our healthcare system. I recently had a procedure done at a private clinic funded by OHIP…
And just to get some clarity on the issue, how much a month do you pay in premiums to private insurance? Do you have out of pocket expenses that are not covered OHIP? Outside of taxes what is your monthly out of pocket expense for healthcare?
But how can you fairly evaluate without understanding the tax rate?
Federal tax bracket
Federal tax rates
Ontario tax rates
$49,020 or less
15.00%
5.05%
$49,021 to $98,040
20.50%
9.15%
$98,041 to $151,978
26.00%
11.16%
$151,979 to $216,511
29.00%
12.16%
Isn't that just provincial, excluding the federal taxes? Plus you have double digit goods taxes too, which I think are essentially the equivalent of sales tax. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
GST (goods and services tax) is 5% on most products and services. PST (provincial sales tax) in MB is 6%. Alberta doesn't have one. some have a blended GST/PST called HST (hybrid sales tax) that hovers around 13%.
but there are state and local level sales taxes, are there not? sure, you aren't paying 13%, but some states are hovering around 10, no?
Maybe up in NY, but not that high anywhere that I’ve lived. Our sales tax is 5.5% where I live. When I lived in Tampa it was 7.5% but no state income tax. So you would leave the state to buy a car. The state got wise to that and eventually made you show the sales tax you paid in a different state and pay the difference, along with a $500 import fee.
Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…
just kidding it has never been great…
Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!
Oh please. Cry me a river. We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis. And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again. The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system.
I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.
our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal.
until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that.
I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes.
Well said. Would be a shame to lose such reasoned and thoughtful discussions!
Another thing people aren't taking into account here in the US is that due to our lack of affordable health care access and poor relationship to the healthcare for profit complex, we are seeing the problems such as vaccine and healthcare mistrust. Not surprising that a centralized system like canada that allows greater and easier healthcare access has more citizens willing to get the vaccine and take care of themselves 78% fully vaxxed vs 62% here.
You should stop talking about the Canadian system. It’s absolutely clear you know nothing about the system nor would you even take the time to look at it…what makes you think our system is centralized? Do you think the entire system is government? There are plenty of private healthcare operators in the Canadian System? Quebec has private clinics. They are known for private clinics. Just because you perceive the system as free and not for profit does not make it so…that is the biggest lie and farce about our healthcare system. I recently had a procedure done at a private clinic funded by OHIP…
And just to get some clarity on the issue, how much a month do you pay in premiums to private insurance? Do you have out of pocket expenses that are not covered OHIP? Outside of taxes what is your monthly out of pocket expense for healthcare?
But how can you fairly evaluate without understanding the tax rate?
Federal tax bracket
Federal tax rates
Ontario tax rates
$49,020 or less
15.00%
5.05%
$49,021 to $98,040
20.50%
9.15%
$98,041 to $151,978
26.00%
11.16%
$151,979 to $216,511
29.00%
12.16%
Isn't that just provincial, excluding the federal taxes? Plus you have double digit goods taxes too, which I think are essentially the equivalent of sales tax. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
GST (goods and services tax) is 5% on most products and services. PST (provincial sales tax) in MB is 6%. Alberta doesn't have one. some have a blended GST/PST called HST (hybrid sales tax) that hovers around 13%.
but there are state and local level sales taxes, are there not? sure, you aren't paying 13%, but some states are hovering around 10, no?
8.25% in TX and we don't even get healthcare at all. I'm not sure where it all goes, underfunded schools and over funded PDs
Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…
just kidding it has never been great…
Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!
Oh please. Cry me a river. We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis. And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again. The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system.
I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.
our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal.
until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that.
I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes.
Well said. Would be a shame to lose such reasoned and thoughtful discussions!
Another thing people aren't taking into account here in the US is that due to our lack of affordable health care access and poor relationship to the healthcare for profit complex, we are seeing the problems such as vaccine and healthcare mistrust. Not surprising that a centralized system like canada that allows greater and easier healthcare access has more citizens willing to get the vaccine and take care of themselves 78% fully vaxxed vs 62% here.
You should stop talking about the Canadian system. It’s absolutely clear you know nothing about the system nor would you even take the time to look at it…what makes you think our system is centralized? Do you think the entire system is government? There are plenty of private healthcare operators in the Canadian System? Quebec has private clinics. They are known for private clinics. Just because you perceive the system as free and not for profit does not make it so…that is the biggest lie and farce about our healthcare system. I recently had a procedure done at a private clinic funded by OHIP…
And just to get some clarity on the issue, how much a month do you pay in premiums to private insurance? Do you have out of pocket expenses that are not covered OHIP? Outside of taxes what is your monthly out of pocket expense for healthcare?
But how can you fairly evaluate without understanding the tax rate?
Federal tax bracket
Federal tax rates
Ontario tax rates
$49,020 or less
15.00%
5.05%
$49,021 to $98,040
20.50%
9.15%
$98,041 to $151,978
26.00%
11.16%
$151,979 to $216,511
29.00%
12.16%
Isn't that just provincial, excluding the federal taxes? Plus you have double digit goods taxes too, which I think are essentially the equivalent of sales tax. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
GST (goods and services tax) is 5% on most products and services. PST (provincial sales tax) in MB is 6%. Alberta doesn't have one. some have a blended GST/PST called HST (hybrid sales tax) that hovers around 13%.
but there are state and local level sales taxes, are there not? sure, you aren't paying 13%, but some states are hovering around 10, no?
8.25% in TX and we don't even get healthcare at all. I'm not sure where it all goes, underfunded schools and over funded PDs
But you have no state income tax… probably need one.
Per above. The democratic governor is requesting a proper count of hospitalizations for Covid versus people who just happen to be Covid positive but hospitalized for different reasons. You would think that is a silly question, but sadly it isn’t and we are not being provided with the correct numbers. I am sure they are still high, but the governor said in the article that AS MUCH as 50% of patients may have been hospitalized for non Covid reasons.
I can’t remember which thread but Fauci said something similar about children being hospitalized.
Crap like this is why people don’t trust the government and the media. This crap supports the far right argument that the government is playing up the virus and trying to control behavior…yada yada yada. We shouldn’t be having these issues about hospitalization numbers this far into the pandemic. It screams of an agenda to purposefully overstate the numbers.
Per above. The democratic governor is requesting a proper count of hospitalizations for Covid versus people who just happen to be Covid positive but hospitalized for different reasons. You would think that is a silly question, but sadly it isn’t and we are not being provided with the correct numbers. I am sure they are still high, but the governor said in the article that AS MUCH as 50% of patients may have been hospitalized for non Covid reasons.
I can’t remember which thread but Fauci said something similar about children being hospitalized.
Crap like this is why people don’t trust the government and the media. This crap supports the far right argument that the government is playing up the virus and trying to control behavior…yada yada yada. We shouldn’t be having these issues about hospitalization numbers this far into the pandemic. It screams of an agenda to purposefully overstate the numbers.
Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…
just kidding it has never been great…
Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!
Oh please. Cry me a river. We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis. And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again. The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system.
I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.
our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal.
until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that.
I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes.
Our healthcare plan is about 2k a month. About half is paid by us and half by our employer. So if you’re self employed you pay the whole 2k. And the copays are often terrible. $30 for a regular dr visit, that’s not bad. But if they run tests, lab work, X-rays, or see a specialist that’s all additional. Urgent care visit for something simple will usually run about $500. Emergency room is going to be a minimum of 2k, and that’s assuming it’s a short in and out visit. It’s several thousand a day if you stay over night.
Sounds like you need a new plan.
Don’t have a choice, only one offered. Only other option is paying fully out of pocket for the insurance.
It's the one part of Obamacare that I was unhappy with. The lack of good choices as an individual. I have a "gold package" not sure what tier you were offered or have but it's nothing like my company health care I had previous to this one.
Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…
just kidding it has never been great…
Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!
Oh please. Cry me a river. We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis. And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again. The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system.
I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.
our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal.
until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that.
I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes.
Our healthcare plan is about 2k a month. About half is paid by us and half by our employer. So if you’re self employed you pay the whole 2k. And the copays are often terrible. $30 for a regular dr visit, that’s not bad. But if they run tests, lab work, X-rays, or see a specialist that’s all additional. Urgent care visit for something simple will usually run about $500. Emergency room is going to be a minimum of 2k, and that’s assuming it’s a short in and out visit. It’s several thousand a day if you stay over night.
Sounds like you need a new plan.
Don’t have a choice, only one offered. Only other option is paying fully out of pocket for the insurance.
It's the one part of Obamacare that I was unhappy with. The lack of good choices as an individual. I have a "gold package" not sure what tier you were offered or have but it's nothing like my company health care I had previous to this one.
Insurance plans have been markedly worse every year since about 2000.
Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…
just kidding it has never been great…
Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!
Oh please. Cry me a river. We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis. And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again. The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system.
I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.
our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal.
until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that.
I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes.
Our healthcare plan is about 2k a month. About half is paid by us and half by our employer. So if you’re self employed you pay the whole 2k. And the copays are often terrible. $30 for a regular dr visit, that’s not bad. But if they run tests, lab work, X-rays, or see a specialist that’s all additional. Urgent care visit for something simple will usually run about $500. Emergency room is going to be a minimum of 2k, and that’s assuming it’s a short in and out visit. It’s several thousand a day if you stay over night.
Sounds like you need a new plan.
Don’t have a choice, only one offered. Only other option is paying fully out of pocket for the insurance.
It's the one part of Obamacare that I was unhappy with. The lack of good choices as an individual. I have a "gold package" not sure what tier you were offered or have but it's nothing like my company health care I had previous to this one.
Insurance plans have been markedly worse every year since about 2000.
For individuals? If so I wouldn't know. I didn't have to find a private one until 2014 and I will say it was night and day from my group one I had previously...
Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…
just kidding it has never been great…
Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!
Oh please. Cry me a river. We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis. And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again. The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system.
I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.
our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal.
until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that.
I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes.
Our healthcare plan is about 2k a month. About half is paid by us and half by our employer. So if you’re self employed you pay the whole 2k. And the copays are often terrible. $30 for a regular dr visit, that’s not bad. But if they run tests, lab work, X-rays, or see a specialist that’s all additional. Urgent care visit for something simple will usually run about $500. Emergency room is going to be a minimum of 2k, and that’s assuming it’s a short in and out visit. It’s several thousand a day if you stay over night.
Sounds like you need a new plan.
Don’t have a choice, only one offered. Only other option is paying fully out of pocket for the insurance.
It's the one part of Obamacare that I was unhappy with. The lack of good choices as an individual. I have a "gold package" not sure what tier you were offered or have but it's nothing like my company health care I had previous to this one.
Insurance plans have been markedly worse every year since about 2000.
For individuals? If so I wouldn't know. I didn't have to find a private one until 2014 and I will say it was night and day from my group one I had previously...
Family, to be clear. But it sounds like you are comparing what's available on Obamacare vs an employment plan. I was saying that employer plans are worse and worse every year.
Obamacare ones will follow the same trend since all Obamacare does is provide a portal for private insurers to underwrite you in a group from the portal. The reason the individual mandate is so important is that Obamacare entries would be high risk, as they are the ones that would go in and need the insurance. So you need healthy young people to offset it. But in general, the pool of insured is going to be higher risk than that of an employer plan, hence bad rates comparatively.
That's just income tax. Now let's talk property tax, carbon tax, sales taxes, gas taxes, payroll taxes (which just got increased) and I'm sure there are many more being left out...Canada is so overtaxed our healthcare should be running like a well-oiled machine, not like a Russian Lada...
Politicians in Canada have never met a tax they did not like and eventually con Canadians into accepting as somehow beneficial...
LOL....did you even read that? It says it is all inclusive. Canada is below the US in the rankings of taxation by country.
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…
just kidding it has never been great…
Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!
Oh please. Cry me a river. We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis. And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again. The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system.
I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.
our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal.
until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that.
I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes.
Our healthcare plan is about 2k a month. About half is paid by us and half by our employer. So if you’re self employed you pay the whole 2k. And the copays are often terrible. $30 for a regular dr visit, that’s not bad. But if they run tests, lab work, X-rays, or see a specialist that’s all additional. Urgent care visit for something simple will usually run about $500. Emergency room is going to be a minimum of 2k, and that’s assuming it’s a short in and out visit. It’s several thousand a day if you stay over night.
Sounds like you need a new plan.
Don’t have a choice, only one offered. Only other option is paying fully out of pocket for the insurance.
It's the one part of Obamacare that I was unhappy with. The lack of good choices as an individual. I have a "gold package" not sure what tier you were offered or have but it's nothing like my company health care I had previous to this one.
Insurance plans have been markedly worse every year since about 2000.
For individuals? If so I wouldn't know. I didn't have to find a private one until 2014 and I will say it was night and day from my group one I had previously...
Family, to be clear. But it sounds like you are comparing what's available on Obamacare vs an employment plan. I was saying that employer plans are worse and worse every year.
Obamacare ones will follow the same trend since all Obamacare does is provide a portal for private insurers to underwrite you in a group from the portal. The reason the individual mandate is so important is that Obamacare entries would be high risk, as they are the ones that would go in and need the insurance. So you need healthy young people to offset it. But in general, the pool of insured is going to be higher risk than that of an employer plan, hence bad rates comparatively.
We have been using Obamacare/ACA since it started. Very happy with it....premiums suck but it is good insurance.
We just recently moved my two remaining kids (21 and 20) off of our plan and onto their own. My 20 year old's premium was $210/month all offset by subsidy. My 21 year old doesn't yet make enough for subsidy so she defaults to the state plan which costs like $20/month.
It saved me $600/month to move them off on their own.
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
That's just income tax. Now let's talk property tax, carbon tax, sales taxes, gas taxes, payroll taxes (which just got increased) and I'm sure there are many more being left out...Canada is so overtaxed our healthcare should be running like a well-oiled machine, not like a Russian Lada...
Politicians in Canada have never met a tax they did not like and eventually con Canadians into accepting as somehow beneficial...
LOL....did you even read that? It says it is all inclusive. Canada is below the US in the rankings of taxation by country.
And why should people give 50 of their income tongue fucking government?
That's just income tax. Now let's talk property tax, carbon tax, sales taxes, gas taxes, payroll taxes (which just got increased) and I'm sure there are many more being left out...Canada is so overtaxed our healthcare should be running like a well-oiled machine, not like a Russian Lada...
Politicians in Canada have never met a tax they did not like and eventually con Canadians into accepting as somehow beneficial...
LOL....did you even read that? It says it is all inclusive. Canada is below the US in the rankings of taxation by country.
And why should people give 50 of their income tongue fucking government?
Tongue Fucking Government sounds like it could be a song by The Coup
That's just income tax. Now let's talk property tax, carbon tax, sales taxes, gas taxes, payroll taxes (which just got increased) and I'm sure there are many more being left out...Canada is so overtaxed our healthcare should be running like a well-oiled machine, not like a Russian Lada...
Politicians in Canada have never met a tax they did not like and eventually con Canadians into accepting as somehow beneficial...
LOL....did you even read that? It says it is all inclusive. Canada is below the US in the rankings of taxation by country.
And why should people give 50 of their income tongue fucking government?
well let's see....roads, bridges, health care, security
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
That's just income tax. Now let's talk property tax, carbon tax, sales taxes, gas taxes, payroll taxes (which just got increased) and I'm sure there are many more being left out...Canada is so overtaxed our healthcare should be running like a well-oiled machine, not like a Russian Lada...
Politicians in Canada have never met a tax they did not like and eventually con Canadians into accepting as somehow beneficial...
LOL....did you even read that? It says it is all inclusive. Canada is below the US in the rankings of taxation by country.
Also I already stated I’m not comparing canada to the US…the world doesn’t revolve around the US even though you think it goes.
The entire discussions is around Canadas Poorly funded publicly administered healthcare system…a system in which if you showed up at the doc and the doc told you your surgery was at lesst 6 months to a year away you’d whine like a bitch…you don’t no fuck all about the canadian healthcare system…but you think you DO…
That's just income tax. Now let's talk property tax, carbon tax, sales taxes, gas taxes, payroll taxes (which just got increased) and I'm sure there are many more being left out...Canada is so overtaxed our healthcare should be running like a well-oiled machine, not like a Russian Lada...
Politicians in Canada have never met a tax they did not like and eventually con Canadians into accepting as somehow beneficial...
LOL....did you even read that? It says it is all inclusive. Canada is below the US in the rankings of taxation by country.
Also I already stated I’m not comparing canada to the US…the world doesn’t revolve around the US even though you think it goes.
The entire discussions is around Canadas Poorly funded publicly administered healthcare system…a system in which if you showed up at the doc and the doc told you your surgery was at lesst 6 months to a year away you’d whine like a bitch…you don’t no fuck all about the canadian healthcare system…but you think you DO…
I don't think YOU realize that we have the same wait times. But on top of that you have to liquidate all of your savings.
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Socialized medicine in Canada is really great until a crisis hits then it easily collapses…
just kidding it has never been great…
Well here in the US we have private for profit medicine, and it still sucks and gets overwhelmed, but we do pay an arm and a leg and keep those insurance company profits high!
Oh please. Cry me a river. We pay a shit ton of tax for a system that bogs down at the 1st sign of a crisis. And if you don’t think people in our socialized medicine don’t make big bucks…think again. The CEO of my local hospital makes 500 grand a year…pretty generous for a so called not for profit system.
I get the feeling you have a limited understanding of not for profit.
our tax systems, also, compare pretty closely, except for one main area: our tax rate stays lower to a higher income bracket in the middle class income area, so the lower-to-middle class are often better off in canada. but it's marginal.
until you have to pay for healthcare. imagine having our same taxes and on top of that paying an additional $1500 per month for a family of 4 for a copay on top of that.
I'd say he has every right to cry as many rivers as he wishes.
Our healthcare plan is about 2k a month. About half is paid by us and half by our employer. So if you’re self employed you pay the whole 2k. And the copays are often terrible. $30 for a regular dr visit, that’s not bad. But if they run tests, lab work, X-rays, or see a specialist that’s all additional. Urgent care visit for something simple will usually run about $500. Emergency room is going to be a minimum of 2k, and that’s assuming it’s a short in and out visit. It’s several thousand a day if you stay over night.
Sounds like you need a new plan.
Don’t have a choice, only one offered. Only other option is paying fully out of pocket for the insurance.
It's the one part of Obamacare that I was unhappy with. The lack of good choices as an individual. I have a "gold package" not sure what tier you were offered or have but it's nothing like my company health care I had previous to this one.
Insurance plans have been markedly worse every year since about 2000.
For individuals? If so I wouldn't know. I didn't have to find a private one until 2014 and I will say it was night and day from my group one I had previously...
Family, to be clear. But it sounds like you are comparing what's available on Obamacare vs an employment plan. I was saying that employer plans are worse and worse every year.
Obamacare ones will follow the same trend since all Obamacare does is provide a portal for private insurers to underwrite you in a group from the portal. The reason the individual mandate is so important is that Obamacare entries would be high risk, as they are the ones that would go in and need the insurance. So you need healthy young people to offset it. But in general, the pool of insured is going to be higher risk than that of an employer plan, hence bad rates comparatively.
Are employer plans worse every year? Mine hasn’t been. In fact, Obamacare resulted in my co pay and rise of premiums at their slowest percentage change since employment or were flat. This year we received enhanced benefits with a 2% increase in cost. Medical, dental and eye care coverage.
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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That's just income tax. Now let's talk property tax, carbon tax, sales taxes, gas taxes, payroll taxes (which just got increased) and I'm sure there are many more being left out...Canada is so overtaxed our healthcare should be running like a well-oiled machine, not like a Russian Lada...
Politicians in Canada have never met a tax they did not like and eventually con Canadians into accepting as somehow beneficial...
it’s underfunded and mismanaged by those given the dollars to manage it…and that complicates the problem.
PST (provincial sales tax) in MB is 6%. Alberta doesn't have one. some have a blended GST/PST called HST (hybrid sales tax) that hovers around 13%.
but there are state and local level sales taxes, are there not? sure, you aren't paying 13%, but some states are hovering around 10, no?
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There are no kings inside the gates of eden
Obamacare ones will follow the same trend since all Obamacare does is provide a portal for private insurers to underwrite you in a group from the portal. The reason the individual mandate is so important is that Obamacare entries would be high risk, as they are the ones that would go in and need the insurance. So you need healthy young people to offset it. But in general, the pool of insured is going to be higher risk than that of an employer plan, hence bad rates comparatively.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
We just recently moved my two remaining kids (21 and 20) off of our plan and onto their own. My 20 year old's premium was $210/month all offset by subsidy. My 21 year old doesn't yet make enough for subsidy so she defaults to the state plan which costs like $20/month.
It saved me $600/month to move them off on their own.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
The entire discussions is around Canadas Poorly funded publicly administered healthcare system…a system in which if you showed
up at the doc and the doc told you your surgery was at lesst 6 months to a year away you’d whine like a bitch…you don’t no fuck all about the canadian healthcare system…but you think you DO…
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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