Dave should focus on the present. He got a golden ticket and blew it. It’s like your friend still talking about an ex 20, almost 30 fuggin years later. Give me a break, move on.
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Dave A. knew going in that the band viewed the drummer as a fungible asset... he was already the third guy sitting in that seat. He should have adapted his personality to the rest of the band if he wanted to stay.
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Dave should focus on the present. He got a golden ticket and blew it. It’s like your friend still talking about an ex 20, almost 30 fuggin years later. Give me a break, move on.
yah, but what if she's the one that got away? I'm not sure how you look past that. Like you said he had the golden ticket, then lost it. Probably been spending most of his life coping with that, and the fact that most people don't find two golden tickets let alone 2.
I suppose it doesn't help that people ask him these questions. I suppose he could not do interviews.
eh, he still gets credited on the vault releases from the early 90s, and (I assume) gets royalties for those if not just the actual album sales still. I'm not sure if he expects a Christmas card from the guys every year or what. He's a former member that continues to get properly credited.
Frankly he made out like a bandit with all the songs on Vs, and all but three songs on Vitalogy, being credited to the entire band. Those are the only two albums where they do that. Let's face it, songs like Not For You, Corduroy, and Immortality should probably be credited solely to Eddie. Animal and Daughter should totally be Gossard/Vedder, etc. So Dave made out pretty well.
I can agree with you on Not for You and Corduroy, but I find the drums on Immortality to be quite unique and adding a lot to the atmosphere of the song. Dave A deserves some credit here imo.
He pretty much never has done interviews? He's pretty much has never talked about his time in Guns N Roses either? He did an interview with Kim Neely(?) for her book on the band back when. He has done a podcast interview for a friends podcast recently. He commented on his feeling on the situation of the RnR HoF when that happened, and I figure outlets was reaching out to him for a comment. And has had some critical and/or "wry" (if that is the word for "syrlig" in english) comments in the social media age or have answered peoples questions. To my knowledge. Maybe not being on Reddit or TicToc I have missed where all this raging is happening.
This image being painted in here of this "scorn ex (member) that for the world just can't get past his former partner/band" is a rock and roll stereotype individuals like on2legs are doing the hardest to squeeze Dave A into - but it doesn't hold much water if you look at the actual history.
So, start to think about why these posters are in here doing that, why they feel the need to try to do that -- instead of accepting that fabricated view as reality.
Would one not understand Peter Criss for being critical if a video re-release of ALIVE II looked like this:
Or would one be completely unable to see the ciritism with some excuse of "The Art direction for the Unplugged sleave (read: Alive II sleeve) simply points to the 4 (read: 2) members still current. Case closed. Stop your cryin'!" as dreamweaver chose to put it.
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
In the past few years, I can recall multiple incidents where he gets on social media and posts these sad, dramatic little messages to random posts. Comparing Criss to Dave A is a huge stretch (Criss founded the band, wrote and sang multiple hits) but if you see them as comparatively meaningful to their respective bands, fair enough. Explains a lot and I look forward to ‘here’s what Dave A thinks about ____’ post in the coming years.
In the past few years, I can recall multiple incidents where he gets on social media and posts these sad, dramatic little messages to random posts. Comparing Criss to Dave A is a huge stretch (Criss founded the band, wrote and sang multiple hits) but if you see them as comparatively meaningful to their respective bands, fair enough. Explains a lot and I look forward to ‘here’s what Dave A thinks about ____’ post in the coming years.
Might be me rosetinting-glassing him because of how I love the druming on those 1994 shows. I would not say a snidy comment her or there on a band that kicked him out over a breakfast - is the same as "man, that dude needs to let it goooooo".
But let's focus on what's important here
- Criss barely founded the band. He was in the band when it was founded. - Criss did not write any hit songs - he brought in one (Beth) but that seems to heavily been written by his former bandmate whatever his name was. It was even about the former bandmates girlfriend (Beck, before Bob Ezrin changed it to Beth). - Sang on Beth. He did sing on some stone cold classics and DIRTY LIVIN' is the best song off Dynasty... but "sang on multuple hits" is wrong.
I would bet money on Dave A adding more crativly to Pearl Jam during his years than Peter Criss did. Peter didn't even drum on all of the albums having him as member and him on the cover. Dave A atleast drummed on his albums, to my knowledge.
Your lack of knowledge about Peter Criss part in KISS, makes your post kind of shaky.
And also, Criss and Dave A singing on hit songs or not has nothing to do with the reference to KISS in my post you were referecing.
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I feel like Dave is more interested in airing his grievances than an actual resolution.
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jesus, all these comments about "dave being miserable" and "needing to move on with his life" are kind of over the top. The guy makes one flippant remark on facebook, and also will answer questions about PJ when asked (which he probably shouldn't, because of this very thing), but no one knows the state of the guy's mind 24/7. it's probably more of a snapshot of a 2 second annoyance than anything.
he has every reason to be annoyed at that. he was with the biggest band in the world, and barely gets a mention anywhere like he was some session drummer for a couple songs.
the rock hall induction, to be clear, was not the band's choice. that was the hall's. always has been.
someone brings up my shithead ex girlfriend that cheated on me, yeah, for 5 seconds I'm like "fuck her!", but then the literal rest of my life I don't think about her. this is the most likely scenario in my mind.
one comment here or there on facebook does not equal a person's whole state of mind. come on, people.
I feel like Dave is more interested in airing his grievances than an actual resolution.
Because that is fucking true.
What would be the #actual resolution" here? I doubt he was the one omitting himself from the cover in question. Or was he the one dedicing that in a Fight Club-esque twist of a move?
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
jesus, all these comments about "dave being miserable" and "needing to move on with his life" are kind of over the top. The guy makes one flippant remark on facebook, and also will answer questions about PJ when asked (which he probably shouldn't, because of this very thing), but no one knows the state of the guy's mind 24/7. it's probably more of a snapshot of a 2 second annoyance than anything.
he has every reason to be annoyed at that. he was with the biggest band in the world, and barely gets a mention anywhere like he was some session drummer for a couple songs.
the rock hall induction, to be clear, was not the band's choice. that was the hall's. always has been.
someone brings up my shithead ex girlfriend that cheated on me, yeah, for 5 seconds I'm like "fuck her!", but then the literal rest of my life I don't think about her. this is the most likely scenario in my mind.
one comment here or there on facebook does not equal a person's whole state of mind. come on, people.
But this doesn't support the stereotypical narrative being fabricated and pushed here, to antagonize the man.
Hmm.
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
jesus, all these comments about "dave being miserable" and "needing to move on with his life" are kind of over the top. The guy makes one flippant remark on facebook, and also will answer questions about PJ when asked (which he probably shouldn't, because of this very thing), but no one knows the state of the guy's mind 24/7. it's probably more of a snapshot of a 2 second annoyance than anything.
he has every reason to be annoyed at that. he was with the biggest band in the world, and barely gets a mention anywhere like he was some session drummer for a couple songs.
the rock hall induction, to be clear, was not the band's choice. that was the hall's. always has been.
someone brings up my shithead ex girlfriend that cheated on me, yeah, for 5 seconds I'm like "fuck her!", but then the literal rest of my life I don't think about her. this is the most likely scenario in my mind.
one comment here or there on facebook does not equal a person's whole state of mind. come on, people.
I'm guessing the truth lies somewhere between your well-stated post and those talking about Dave A's bitterness being something still pretty alive. But I bet you're right, it's been so long, and so many years and water under bridges, I bet it's just at times like this when the media are looking for angry ex-band members to spill the tea before each RNR Hall of Fame induction ceremony they're looking for angry people and juicy stories if they can get them. Guessing most of the time though he's not waking up with this on his mind.
In the past few years, I can recall multiple incidents where he gets on social media and posts these sad, dramatic little messages to random posts. Comparing Criss to Dave A is a huge stretch (Criss founded the band, wrote and sang multiple hits) but if you see them as comparatively meaningful to their respective bands, fair enough. Explains a lot and I look forward to ‘here’s what Dave A thinks about ____’ post in the coming years.
Might be me rosetinting-glassing him because of how I love the druming on those 1994 shows. I would not say a snidy comment her or there on a band that kicked him out over a breakfast - is the same as "man, that dude needs to let it goooooo".
But let's focus on what's important here
- Criss barely founded the band. He was in the band when it was founded. - Criss did not write any hit songs - he brought in one (Beth) but that seems to heavily been written by his former bandmate whatever his name was. It was even about the former bandmates girlfriend (Beck, before Bob Ezrin changed it to Beth). - Sang on Beth. He did sing on some stone cold classics and DIRTY LIVIN' is the best song off Dynasty... but "sang on multuple hits" is wrong.
I would bet money on Dave A adding more crativly to Pearl Jam during his years than Peter Criss did. Peter didn't even drum on all of the albums having him as member and him on the cover. Dave A atleast drummed on his albums, to my knowledge.
Your lack of knowledge about Peter Criss part in KISS, makes your post kind of shaky.
And also, Criss and Dave A singing on hit songs or not has nothing to do with the reference to KISS in my post you were referecing.
I should of said founding member. Felt like you were comparing the two with your post. His presence as a vocalist makes a pretty big imprint to ignore. Criss sang lead on like 10 songs over 7 years. His presence as part of KISS imo was much bigger and over a longer period, but agree to disagree.
I’m exiting the world of the Dave A debate. I’ll try to avoid entering it again. Best of luck ✌️
jesus, all these comments about "dave being miserable" and "needing to move on with his life" are kind of over the top. The guy makes one flippant remark on facebook, and also will answer questions about PJ when asked (which he probably shouldn't, because of this very thing), but no one knows the state of the guy's mind 24/7. it's probably more of a snapshot of a 2 second annoyance than anything.
he has every reason to be annoyed at that. he was with the biggest band in the world, and barely gets a mention anywhere like he was some session drummer for a couple songs.
the rock hall induction, to be clear, was not the band's choice. that was the hall's. always has been.
someone brings up my shithead ex girlfriend that cheated on me, yeah, for 5 seconds I'm like "fuck her!", but then the literal rest of my life I don't think about her. this is the most likely scenario in my mind.
one comment here or there on facebook does not equal a person's whole state of mind. come on, people.
Re: HOF, when the Dead were inducted they refused to go unless every former member was included. The HOF agreed. Ed has a long history with the HOF, and if he wanted Dave included Dave would have been.
Someone needs to tell Tenclub and the label that, they shipped an UNOFFICIAL DVD in the SE release of Ten then back in... 2009.
What the hell has the vinyl release to do with the topic of the thread?
You don't see it as relevant to the topic? Thread title being Dave commenting about not on the unplugged DVD cover. There was no standalone official DVD release, only part of the Ten 20th anniversary package. Seems completely relevant to bring up he was on the cover of the official LP (and CD?) standalone release to me. Conversations can expand, its still related to the topic. You can't expect people to only discuss Dave A and the limited DVD release and not expand the topic to include other official Unplugged releases. Seems more related than comparing it to Megadeth, GNR or KISS.
Someone needs to tell Tenclub and the label that, they shipped an UNOFFICIAL DVD in the SE release of Ten then back in... 2009.
What the hell has the vinyl release to do with the topic of the thread?
You don't see it as relevant to the topic? Thread title being Dave commenting about not on the unplugged DVD cover. There was no standalone official DVD release, only part of the Ten 20th anniversary package. Seems completely relevant to bring up he was on the cover of the official LP (and CD?) standalone release to me. Conversations can expand, its still related to the topic. You can't expect people to only discuss Dave A and the limited DVD release and not expand the topic to include other official Unplugged releases. Seems more related than comparing it to Megadeth, GNR or KISS.
No. I don't see it being relevant to the topic.
Or what is being said by it, that I am missing?
There might be a point that is going over my head.
He is credited in the liner notes (if that is the correct term) of the Unplugged vinyl, yes. I guess he is or would have been if the DVD had linear notes with the people playing being listed too.
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
jesus, all these comments about "dave being miserable" and "needing to move on with his life" are kind of over the top. The guy makes one flippant remark on facebook, and also will answer questions about PJ when asked (which he probably shouldn't, because of this very thing), but no one knows the state of the guy's mind 24/7. it's probably more of a snapshot of a 2 second annoyance than anything.
he has every reason to be annoyed at that. he was with the biggest band in the world, and barely gets a mention anywhere like he was some session drummer for a couple songs.
the rock hall induction, to be clear, was not the band's choice. that was the hall's. always has been.
someone brings up my shithead ex girlfriend that cheated on me, yeah, for 5 seconds I'm like "fuck her!", but then the literal rest of my life I don't think about her. this is the most likely scenario in my mind.
one comment here or there on facebook does not equal a person's whole state of mind. come on, people.
Re: HOF, when the Dead were inducted they refused to go unless every former member was included. The HOF agreed. Ed has a long history with the HOF, and if he wanted Dave included Dave would have been.
I do believe many a band, with much more clout than the Dead, has made such a "demand" and the Dead is the first I've heard where the Hall acquiesced. I think it's a tad presumptuous to assume 1) Ed has that much power and 2) he automatically would have wielded said power to get what he wanted. I mean, Jack didn't get inducted with the band either. I know he was in with the Peppers, but if Ed really wanted him in, and if he had the power, why wouldn't he have?
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jesus, all these comments about "dave being miserable" and "needing to move on with his life" are kind of over the top. The guy makes one flippant remark on facebook, and also will answer questions about PJ when asked (which he probably shouldn't, because of this very thing), but no one knows the state of the guy's mind 24/7. it's probably more of a snapshot of a 2 second annoyance than anything.
he has every reason to be annoyed at that. he was with the biggest band in the world, and barely gets a mention anywhere like he was some session drummer for a couple songs.
the rock hall induction, to be clear, was not the band's choice. that was the hall's. always has been.
someone brings up my shithead ex girlfriend that cheated on me, yeah, for 5 seconds I'm like "fuck her!", but then the literal rest of my life I don't think about her. this is the most likely scenario in my mind.
one comment here or there on facebook does not equal a person's whole state of mind. come on, people.
Re: HOF, when the Dead were inducted they refused to go unless every former member was included. The HOF agreed. Ed has a long history with the HOF, and if he wanted Dave included Dave would have been.
Totally agree on this point.
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jesus, all these comments about "dave being miserable" and "needing to move on with his life" are kind of over the top. The guy makes one flippant remark on facebook, and also will answer questions about PJ when asked (which he probably shouldn't, because of this very thing), but no one knows the state of the guy's mind 24/7. it's probably more of a snapshot of a 2 second annoyance than anything.
he has every reason to be annoyed at that. he was with the biggest band in the world, and barely gets a mention anywhere like he was some session drummer for a couple songs.
the rock hall induction, to be clear, was not the band's choice. that was the hall's. always has been.
someone brings up my shithead ex girlfriend that cheated on me, yeah, for 5 seconds I'm like "fuck her!", but then the literal rest of my life I don't think about her. this is the most likely scenario in my mind.
one comment here or there on facebook does not equal a person's whole state of mind. come on, people.
Re: HOF, when the Dead were inducted they refused to go unless every former member was included. The HOF agreed. Ed has a long history with the HOF, and if he wanted Dave included Dave would have been.
Totally agree on this point.
Do not agree that he could have even if he/the band wanted to take the fight. Or maybe if they put forth a case, but not "because he is Eddie Vedder and has history with the HoF".
But by that logic, does Eddie not want Jack inducted? Or was it not worth using his leverage to get Jack inducted, because Dave A might have had slipped through the cracks?
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Dave should focus on the present. He got a golden ticket and blew it. It’s like your friend still talking about an ex 20, almost 30 fuggin years later. Give me a break, move on.
Makes much more sense...
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With all the HOF chatter, I just remembered that seeing them inducted that night was the last time I’ve seen them perform live. 😢
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jesus, all these comments about "dave being miserable" and "needing to move on with his life" are kind of over the top. The guy makes one flippant remark on facebook, and also will answer questions about PJ when asked (which he probably shouldn't, because of this very thing), but no one knows the state of the guy's mind 24/7. it's probably more of a snapshot of a 2 second annoyance than anything.
he has every reason to be annoyed at that. he was with the biggest band in the world, and barely gets a mention anywhere like he was some session drummer for a couple songs.
the rock hall induction, to be clear, was not the band's choice. that was the hall's. always has been.
someone brings up my shithead ex girlfriend that cheated on me, yeah, for 5 seconds I'm like "fuck her!", but then the literal rest of my life I don't think about her. this is the most likely scenario in my mind.
one comment here or there on facebook does not equal a person's whole state of mind. come on, people.
Re: HOF, when the Dead were inducted they refused to go unless every former member was included. The HOF agreed. Ed has a long history with the HOF, and if he wanted Dave included Dave would have been.
Totally agree on this point.
Do not agree that he could have even if he/the band wanted to take the fight. Or maybe if they put forth a case, but not "because he is Eddie Vedder and has history with the HoF".
But by that logic, does Eddie not want Jack inducted? Or was it not worth using his leverage to get Jack inducted, because Dave A might have had slipped through the cracks?
It's not about not wanting Jack, it's about choosing to not fight for either. Both are more deserving than Krusan, no offense to him. This is a band that refused to take the stage unless corporate signage was removed. It's not like the HoF would have told their headliner to piss off. There is precedent for the hall changing their stance based on the desires of the band
jesus, all these comments about "dave being miserable" and "needing to move on with his life" are kind of over the top. The guy makes one flippant remark on facebook, and also will answer questions about PJ when asked (which he probably shouldn't, because of this very thing), but no one knows the state of the guy's mind 24/7. it's probably more of a snapshot of a 2 second annoyance than anything.
he has every reason to be annoyed at that. he was with the biggest band in the world, and barely gets a mention anywhere like he was some session drummer for a couple songs.
the rock hall induction, to be clear, was not the band's choice. that was the hall's. always has been.
someone brings up my shithead ex girlfriend that cheated on me, yeah, for 5 seconds I'm like "fuck her!", but then the literal rest of my life I don't think about her. this is the most likely scenario in my mind.
one comment here or there on facebook does not equal a person's whole state of mind. come on, people.
Re: HOF, when the Dead were inducted they refused to go unless every former member was included. The HOF agreed. Ed has a long history with the HOF, and if he wanted Dave included Dave would have been.
Totally agree on this point.
Do not agree that he could have even if he/the band wanted to take the fight. Or maybe if they put forth a case, but not "because he is Eddie Vedder and has history with the HoF".
But by that logic, does Eddie not want Jack inducted? Or was it not worth using his leverage to get Jack inducted, because Dave A might have had slipped through the cracks?
It's not about not wanting Jack, it's about choosing to not fight for either. Both are more deserving than Krusan, no offense to him. This is a band that refused to take the stage unless corporate signage was removed. It's not like the HoF would have told their headliner to piss off. There is precedent for the hall changing their stance based on the desires of the band
My take on it, and was back when PJ was inducted, is that RnR HoF should just induct the band/artist. Full stop. The band/artist as a whole. E.g. "This year PEARL JAM will be inducted" or "This year Grateful dead is one of the inductees!" and then the band/artist can order how many plaques from the RnR HoF as they need and decide what past and present members are deserving of one.
Should not be the RnR HoF deciding what constitutes the band, or what part of a band or era and it's legacy that matters or not. I find that odd. And unnecessary.
Also, about throwing around ones weight. KISS, which I imagine was the headliner the year they was inducted, wanted present members inducted and made a stink about it publicly - but that did not work. But yeah. Whatever. It is what it is.
Dave A should - in my world and for my youtubing pleasure - have been personally reached out to and invited by the band to join them and destroy Rearviewmirror up on that stage that night. Might be a weird opinion. Might not be in line with the art direction of the Unplugged DVD.
But my evenings alone with only youtube as my friend and an endless amount of screwdrivers, would have been a bit better with being able to watch that on repeat.
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What the hell has the vinyl release to do with the topic of the thread?
This image being painted in here of this "scorn ex (member) that for the world just can't get past his former partner/band" is a rock and roll stereotype individuals like on2legs are doing the hardest to squeeze Dave A into - but it doesn't hold much water if you look at the actual history.
So, start to think about why these posters are in here doing that, why they feel the need to try to do that -- instead of accepting that fabricated view as reality.
Would one not understand Peter Criss for being critical if a video re-release of ALIVE II looked like this:
Or would one be completely unable to see the ciritism with some excuse of "The Art direction for the Unplugged sleave (read: Alive II sleeve) simply points to the 4 (read: 2) members still current. Case closed. Stop your cryin'!" as dreamweaver chose to put it.
But let's focus on what's important here
- Criss barely founded the band. He was in the band when it was founded.
- Criss did not write any hit songs - he brought in one (Beth) but that seems to heavily been written by his former bandmate whatever his name was. It was even about the former bandmates girlfriend (Beck, before Bob Ezrin changed it to Beth).
- Sang on Beth. He did sing on some stone cold classics and DIRTY LIVIN' is the best song off Dynasty... but "sang on multuple hits" is wrong.
I would bet money on Dave A adding more crativly to Pearl Jam during his years than Peter Criss did. Peter didn't even drum on all of the albums having him as member and him on the cover. Dave A atleast drummed on his albums, to my knowledge.
Your lack of knowledge about Peter Criss part in KISS, makes your post kind of shaky.
And also, Criss and Dave A singing on hit songs or not has nothing to do with the reference to KISS in my post you were referecing.
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he has every reason to be annoyed at that. he was with the biggest band in the world, and barely gets a mention anywhere like he was some session drummer for a couple songs.
the rock hall induction, to be clear, was not the band's choice. that was the hall's. always has been.
someone brings up my shithead ex girlfriend that cheated on me, yeah, for 5 seconds I'm like "fuck her!", but then the literal rest of my life I don't think about her. this is the most likely scenario in my mind.
one comment here or there on facebook does not equal a person's whole state of mind. come on, people.
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Hmm.
Something sure seems rotten in Denmark
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Best
Or what is being said by it, that I am missing?
There might be a point that is going over my head.
He is credited in the liner notes (if that is the correct term) of the Unplugged vinyl, yes. I guess he is or would have been if the DVD had linear notes with the people playing being listed too.
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But by that logic, does Eddie not want Jack inducted? Or was it not worth using his leverage to get Jack inducted, because Dave A might have had slipped through the cracks?
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Should not be the RnR HoF deciding what constitutes the band, or what part of a band or era and it's legacy that matters or not. I find that odd. And unnecessary.
Also, about throwing around ones weight. KISS, which I imagine was the headliner the year they was inducted, wanted present members inducted and made a stink about it publicly - but that did not work. But yeah. Whatever. It is what it is.
Dave A should - in my world and for my youtubing pleasure - have been personally reached out to and invited by the band to join them and destroy Rearviewmirror up on that stage that night. Might be a weird opinion. Might not be in line with the art direction of the Unplugged DVD.
But my evenings alone with only youtube as my friend and an endless amount of screwdrivers, would have been a bit better with being able to watch that on repeat.