Dave Abbruzzese comments on his omission from the MTV Unplugged DVD cover

dreamweaver

Dave's a masterful and wizard of a drummer. But he has long conflicted with the group's ideals. Clear as day.

The Art direction for the Unplugged sleave simply points to the 4 members still current. Case closed. Stop your cryin'!

MFC is the GOAT. 

BV84003

Spiritual_Chaos said:

BV84003 said:

eh, he still gets credited on the vault releases from the early 90s, and (I assume) gets royalties for those if not just the actual album sales still. I'm not sure if he expects a Christmas card from the guys every year or what. He's a former member that continues to get properly credited.

You should read the OP before posting. It is good message board etiquette. 

I don't see how anyone actually reading the OP can come away with not being sure if he expects a Christmas card from the guys every year or what.

I did read the post. He's visible on the cover of the album. He strikes me as a very bitter person and needs to move tf on at this point.

tdawe

I don’t have the DVD but here are some images from the LP jacket. I guess Dave didn’t comment on these. 

mrk2

on2legs said:

If Some Kind of Monster was a Pearl Jam doc, the part of Dave Mustaine would be played by Dave A. 

Well, one Dave made great career with his next band including genre defining albums, the other one not so much.

Spiritual_Chaos

mrk2 said:

on2legs said:

If Some Kind of Monster was a Pearl Jam doc, the part of Dave Mustaine would be played by Dave A. 

Well, one Dave made great career with his next band including genre defining albums, the other one not so much.

Being in Guns N' Roses for a few months > Being in Megadeth for a lifetime.

Axl Rose is so cool. In his biking shorts.

Caught-A-Bolt-Of-Lightning

Well...I for one miss Dave A. Vs. would have been, in my opinion, an average album if Matt Cameron had been the drummer. Dave made Vs the album it is. Having said that I have a feeling in my gut that Dave may have been too much for Yield and I love Yield.

tdawe

Caught-A-Bolt-Of-Lightning said:

Well...I for one miss Dave A. Vs. would have been, in my opinion, an average album if Matt Cameron had been the drummer. Dave made Vs the album it is. Having said that I have a feeling in my gut that Dave may have been too much for Yield and I love Yield.

He may have been too much for Yield, and he definitely would have been WAY too much for everything after Yield. It’s one thing to prefer those earlier albums to the later ones, but with Dave A behind the kit I feel like the band, both in the studio and live, would sound a lot more dated and might very well be more of a niche act than the timeless classic rock band that they are. 

cblock4life

Zod said:

PB11041 said:

God, he is insufferable.  I liked Dave in the band, I enjoyed the music at that time, but for fuck sake he continues to have a good amount of amnesia that the band existed for a year before they knew him and he was already the 3rd drummer. 

I guess?  He was PJ's drummer during their most influential period and the height of their popularity?  Dave Krusen wasn't able to tour for Ten, Matt Chamberlain was a temp, so Dave A. was hired and he was the drummer through all that early 90s craziness.   Then at the height of his career he gets fired from one of (if not the) biggest bands in the world.   Then for the rest of all the time the band doesn't like to talk about his contributions.

I dunno.  I'd probably be bitter if I was in that scenario

It’s actually quite sad not being able to move on after this many years have passed.  For his own well being he needs to figure it out so his final days aren’t clouded by envy and obviously hate towards the band.  He was fired for some reason or another but he’s never been able to say why and the band has eaten his shit comments without putting an end to it once and for all by releasing the reason.  If it was something crazy he should just be thankful they’ve acted more mature and not discussed it publicly. If it was not justified then talk about what you did and let everyone judge for themselves. The time to move on occurred many, many years ago. Just my opinion. 

Ledbetterman10

cblock4life said:

Zod said:

PB11041 said:

God, he is insufferable.  I liked Dave in the band, I enjoyed the music at that time, but for fuck sake he continues to have a good amount of amnesia that the band existed for a year before they knew him and he was already the 3rd drummer. 

I guess?  He was PJ's drummer during their most influential period and the height of their popularity?  Dave Krusen wasn't able to tour for Ten, Matt Chamberlain was a temp, so Dave A. was hired and he was the drummer through all that early 90s craziness.   Then at the height of his career he gets fired from one of (if not the) biggest bands in the world.   Then for the rest of all the time the band doesn't like to talk about his contributions.

I dunno.  I'd probably be bitter if I was in that scenario

It’s actually quite sad not being able to move on after this many years have passed.  For his own well being he needs to figure it out so his final days aren’t clouded by envy and obviously hate towards the band.  He was fired for some reason or another but he’s never been able to say why and the band has eaten his shit comments without putting an end to it once and for all by releasing the reason.  If it was something crazy he should just be thankful they’ve acted more mature and not discussed it publicly. If it was not justified then talk about what you did and let everyone judge for themselves. The time to move on occurred many, many years ago. Just my opinion. 

Also, if Jack Irons wasn't in Eleven in 1991, he probably would've been PJ's drummer right then and there. 

PB11041

Caught-A-Bolt-Of-Lightning said:

Well...I for one miss Dave A. Vs. would have been, in my opinion, an average album if Matt Cameron had been the drummer. Dave made Vs the album it is. Having said that I have a feeling in my gut that Dave may have been too much for Yield and I love Yield.

proving the unprovable in both of these directions is a fun game of opinion duck, duck, goose.

Dave did not make Vs. the record it is.  That is not a knock on his drumming, he sounds great on it and is able to really show his ability to play across various types of songs.  But Vs would have been the record it was with any compentent drummer.  

To say Dave would have been too much for Yield is a bit puzzling while also asserting he made Vs what it was.  He absolutely could play in that vein.

Dave is a great drummer, I wish he could have found his groove outside of music with the guys and they with him, but it is long over.

Tjm007

He was the drummer on the two best albums - some satisfaction in that I guess.

lastexitlondon

All pj drummers have been top class and amazing.  Thats the truth

on2legs

mrk2 said:

on2legs said:

If Some Kind of Monster was a Pearl Jam doc, the part of Dave Mustaine would be played by Dave A. 

Well, one Dave made great career with his next band including genre defining albums, the other one not so much.

And yet neither guy ever got over it.  

zurdo82

tdawe said:

I don’t have the DVD but here are some images from the LP jacket. I guess Dave didn’t comment on these. 

I also have the Vinyl. and like you have just shown and proved, Dave is there and credited. According the discogs, the DVD release is UNOFFICIAL - https://www.discogs.com/Pearl-Jam-MTV-Unplugged/master/1330087.

Spiritual_Chaos

zurdo82 said:

tdawe said:

I don’t have the DVD but here are some images from the LP jacket. I guess Dave didn’t comment on these. 

I also have the Vinyl. and like you have just shown and proved, Dave is there and credited. According the discogs, the DVD release is UNOFFICIAL - https://www.discogs.com/Pearl-Jam-MTV-Unplugged/master/1330087.

Someone needs to tell Tenclub and the label that, they shipped an UNOFFICIAL DVD in the SE release of Ten then back in... 2009.



What the hell has the vinyl release to do with the topic of the thread?

BloodMeridian80

Dave should focus on the present. He got a golden ticket and blew it. It’s like your friend still talking about an ex 20, almost 30 fuggin years later. Give me a break, move on.

on2legs

Dave A. knew going in that the band viewed the drummer as a fungible asset... he was already the third guy sitting in that seat.  He should have adapted his personality to the rest of the band if he wanted to stay. 

Zod

BloodMeridian80 said:

Dave should focus on the present. He got a golden ticket and blew it. It’s like your friend still talking about an ex 20, almost 30 fuggin years later. Give me a break, move on.

yah, but what if she's the one that got away?   I'm not sure how you look past that.  Like you said he had the golden ticket, then lost it.   Probably been spending most of his life coping with that, and the fact that most people don't find two golden tickets let alone 2.

I suppose it doesn't help that people ask him these questions.  I suppose he could not do interviews.  

Niko80

Ledbetterman10 said:

BV84003 said:

eh, he still gets credited on the vault releases from the early 90s, and (I assume) gets royalties for those if not just the actual album sales still. I'm not sure if he expects a Christmas card from the guys every year or what. He's a former member that continues to get properly credited.

Frankly he made out like a bandit with all the songs on Vs, and all but three songs on Vitalogy, being credited to the entire band. Those are the only two albums where they do that. Let's face it, songs like Not For You, Corduroy, and Immortality should probably be credited solely to Eddie. Animal and Daughter should totally be Gossard/Vedder, etc. So Dave made out pretty well.  

I can agree with you on Not for You and Corduroy, but I find the drums on Immortality to be quite unique and adding a lot to the atmosphere of the song. Dave A deserves some credit here imo. 

Spiritual_Chaos

Zod said:

suppose he could not do interviews.   

He pretty much never has done interviews? He's pretty much has never talked about his time in Guns N Roses either? He did an interview with Kim Neely(?) for her book on the band back when. He has done a podcast interview for a friends podcast recently. He commented on his feeling on the situation of the RnR HoF when that happened, and I figure outlets was reaching out to him for a comment. And has had some critical and/or "wry" (if that is the word for "syrlig" in english) comments in the social media age or have answered peoples questions. To my knowledge. Maybe not being on Reddit or TicToc I have missed where all this raging is happening.

This image being painted in here of this "scorn ex (member) that for the world just can't get past his former partner/band" is a rock and roll stereotype individuals like on2legs are doing the hardest to squeeze Dave A into - but it doesn't hold much water if you look at the actual history. 

So, start to think about why these posters are in here doing that, why they feel the need to try to do that -- instead of accepting that fabricated view as reality.

Would one not understand Peter Criss for being critical if a video re-release of ALIVE II looked like this:



Or would one be completely unable to see the ciritism with some excuse of "The Art direction for the Unplugged sleave (read: Alive II sleeve) simply points to the 4  (read: 2) members still current. Case closed. Stop your cryin'!" as dreamweaver chose to put it.