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Dave Abbruzzese comments on his omission from the MTV Unplugged DVD cover

Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,493
edited February 2021 in The Porch
Remember there being a lot of talks on here att the time of release about the omission of him on the DVD:




Saw this pop up on facebook right now, a comment about it from Abbruzzese himself (The one posting it is a fan account, not Mike McCready himself):


"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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  • KM73780KM73780 Posts: 1,123
    I’m not sure you’re even allowed to talk about Dave here in The Porch. It’s a shame because, although Matt is one of the best drummers in the world, Dave and Jack were greats fits for the Pearl Jam sound. 
  • on2legson2legs Posts: 15,102
    I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume that the public is not privy to the real background on why Dave was let go and that those circumstances still impact how the band handles things like this now and might justify why he was left off the release. 
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  • drakeheuer14drakeheuer14 Posts: 4,466
    Why does he follow a Mike fan account? 
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  • 2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance Posts: 23,269
    Let’s get Dave his square. Right in the middle. Plenty of space. OP, aren’t you a Photoshop whiz? Hit us with some amended artwork! Brady Bunch style! 
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  • on2legson2legs Posts: 15,102
    If Some Kind of Monster was a Pearl Jam doc, the part of Dave Mustaine would be played by Dave A. 
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  • JT167846JT167846 Posts: 922
    on2legs said:
    If Some Kind of Monster was a Pearl Jam doc, the part of Dave Mustaine would be played by Dave A. 
    And his part in History of the Eagles would be played by Don Felder, and in Back and Forth by William Goldsmith. Difference? The other guys got to say their piece in the official docos.
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  • on2legson2legs Posts: 15,102
    edited March 2021
    JT167846 said:
    on2legs said:
    If Some Kind of Monster was a Pearl Jam doc, the part of Dave Mustaine would be played by Dave A. 
    And his part in History of the Eagles would be played by Don Felder, and in Back and Forth by William Goldsmith. Difference? The other guys got to say their piece in the official docos.
    That was kinda my point.  If PJ did a doc like Some Kind of Monster, Dave A would have been in it. 

    One of my favorite parts of History of the Eagles is Don Henley calling him "Mr. Felder" through the whole thing.   

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  • darthvedderdarthvedder Posts: 2,563
    Is Dave's account verified? Is it possible a fan account is commenting on a fan account?
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,493
    darthvedder said:
    Is Dave's account verified? Is it possible a fan account is commenting on a fan account?
    It's him
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,493
    edited March 2021
    on2legs said:

    One of my favorite parts of History of the Eagles is Don Henley calling him "Mr. Felder" through the whole thing.   

    Haha. Need to rewatch.
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  • PB11041PB11041 Posts: 2,805
    God, he is insufferable.  I liked Dave in the band, I enjoyed the music at that time, but for fuck sake he continues to have a good amount of amnesia that the band existed for a year before they knew him and he was already the 3rd drummer. 
    His eminence has yet to show. 
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  • ZodZod Posts: 10,575
    PB11041 said:
    God, he is insufferable.  I liked Dave in the band, I enjoyed the music at that time, but for fuck sake he continues to have a good amount of amnesia that the band existed for a year before they knew him and he was already the 3rd drummer. 
    I guess?  He was PJ's drummer during their most influential period and the height of their popularity?  Dave Krusen wasn't able to tour for Ten, Matt Chamberlain was a temp, so Dave A. was hired and he was the drummer through all that early 90s craziness.   Then at the height of his career he gets fired from one of (if not the) biggest bands in the world.   Then for the rest of all the time the band doesn't like to talk about his contributions.

    I dunno.  I'd probably be bitter if I was in that scenario :)
  • BV84003BV84003 Posts: 360
    eh, he still gets credited on the vault releases from the early 90s, and (I assume) gets royalties for those if not just the actual album sales still. I'm not sure if he expects a Christmas card from the guys every year or what. He's a former member that continues to get properly credited.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,880
    edited March 2021
    BV84003 said:
    eh, he still gets credited on the vault releases from the early 90s, and (I assume) gets royalties for those if not just the actual album sales still. I'm not sure if he expects a Christmas card from the guys every year or what. He's a former member that continues to get properly credited.
    Frankly he made out like a bandit with all the songs on Vs, and all but three songs on Vitalogy, being credited to the entire band. Those are the only two albums where they do that. Let's face it, songs like Not For You, Corduroy, and Immortality should probably be credited solely to Eddie. Animal and Daughter should totally be Gossard/Vedder, etc. So Dave made out pretty well.  
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,493
    BV84003 said:
    eh, he still gets credited on the vault releases from the early 90s, and (I assume) gets royalties for those if not just the actual album sales still. I'm not sure if he expects a Christmas card from the guys every year or what. He's a former member that continues to get properly credited.
    You should read the OP before posting. It is good message board etiquette. 

    I don't see how anyone actually reading the OP can come away with not being sure if he expects a Christmas card from the guys every year or what.
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  • JT167846JT167846 Posts: 922
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    BV84003 said:
    eh, he still gets credited on the vault releases from the early 90s, and (I assume) gets royalties for those if not just the actual album sales still. I'm not sure if he expects a Christmas card from the guys every year or what. He's a former member that continues to get properly credited.
    Frankly he made out like a bandit with all the songs on Vs, and all but three songs on Vitalogy, being credited to the entire band. Those are the only two albums where they do that. Let's face it, songs like Not For You, Corduroy, and Immortality should probably be credited solely to Eddie. Animal and Daughter should totally be Gossard/Vedder, etc. So Dave made out pretty well.  
    The HOF is the biggest snub. Jack and Dave A should be in there-know Jack is in with the Chilis but it's irrelevant. Pics on that Unplugged album-I'll take another look at my copy once I get home but yeah from that it'd have been nice to see a pic of him. You do wonder if he's ever going to be happy though.
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  • darthvedderdarthvedder Posts: 2,563
    drakeheuer14 said:
    Why does he follow a Mike fan account? 

    I think this is the funniest thing about this, if that really is Dave. Talk about echoes no one hears.
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,493
    edited March 2021
    darthvedder said:
    drakeheuer14 said:
    Why does he follow a Mike fan account? 

    I think this is the funniest thing about this, if that really is Dave. Talk about echoes no one hears.
    No need to gaslight the board about it not being him like we're a collective Ingrid Bergman. It is him.

    Also, yes funny -- but could be someone he knows pointed him in the direction of it or facebook led him there. I do not follow the Mike McCready fan account, but it popped up in my feed.
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  • SaravaSarava Posts: 2,026
    It's been 27 years. He should move on with his life.
  • dreamweaverdreamweaver Posts: 718
    Dave's a masterful and wizard of a drummer. But he has long conflicted with the group's ideals. Clear as day.

    The Art direction for the Unplugged sleave simply points to the 4 members still current. Case closed. Stop your cryin'!

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  • BV84003BV84003 Posts: 360
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    BV84003 said:
    eh, he still gets credited on the vault releases from the early 90s, and (I assume) gets royalties for those if not just the actual album sales still. I'm not sure if he expects a Christmas card from the guys every year or what. He's a former member that continues to get properly credited.
    You should read the OP before posting. It is good message board etiquette. 

    I don't see how anyone actually reading the OP can come away with not being sure if he expects a Christmas card from the guys every year or what.
    I did read the post. He's visible on the cover of the album. He strikes me as a very bitter person and needs to move tf on at this point.
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  • tdawetdawe Posts: 2,091
    I don’t have the DVD but here are some images from the LP jacket. I guess Dave didn’t comment on these. 


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    on2legs said:
    If Some Kind of Monster was a Pearl Jam doc, the part of Dave Mustaine would be played by Dave A. 
    Well, one Dave made great career with his next band including genre defining albums, the other one not so much.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,493
    edited March 2021
    mrk2 said:
    on2legs said:
    If Some Kind of Monster was a Pearl Jam doc, the part of Dave Mustaine would be played by Dave A. 
    Well, one Dave made great career with his next band including genre defining albums, the other one not so much.
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  • Caught-A-Bolt-Of-LightningCaught-A-Bolt-Of-Lightning Posts: 1,334
    Well...I for one miss Dave A. Vs. would have been, in my opinion, an average album if Matt Cameron had been the drummer. Dave made Vs the album it is. Having said that I have a feeling in my gut that Dave may have been too much for Yield and I love Yield.
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    Caught-A-Bolt-Of-Lightning said:
    Well...I for one miss Dave A. Vs. would have been, in my opinion, an average album if Matt Cameron had been the drummer. Dave made Vs the album it is. Having said that I have a feeling in my gut that Dave may have been too much for Yield and I love Yield.
    He may have been too much for Yield, and he definitely would have been WAY too much for everything after Yield. It’s one thing to prefer those earlier albums to the later ones, but with Dave A behind the kit I feel like the band, both in the studio and live, would sound a lot more dated and might very well be more of a niche act than the timeless classic rock band that they are. 
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  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,715
    Zod said:
    PB11041 said:
    God, he is insufferable.  I liked Dave in the band, I enjoyed the music at that time, but for fuck sake he continues to have a good amount of amnesia that the band existed for a year before they knew him and he was already the 3rd drummer. 
    I guess?  He was PJ's drummer during their most influential period and the height of their popularity?  Dave Krusen wasn't able to tour for Ten, Matt Chamberlain was a temp, so Dave A. was hired and he was the drummer through all that early 90s craziness.   Then at the height of his career he gets fired from one of (if not the) biggest bands in the world.   Then for the rest of all the time the band doesn't like to talk about his contributions.

    I dunno.  I'd probably be bitter if I was in that scenario :)
    It’s actually quite sad not being able to move on after this many years have passed.  For his own well being he needs to figure it out so his final days aren’t clouded by envy and obviously hate towards the band.  He was fired for some reason or another but he’s never been able to say why and the band has eaten his shit comments without putting an end to it once and for all by releasing the reason.  If it was something crazy he should just be thankful they’ve acted more mature and not discussed it publicly. If it was not justified then talk about what you did and let everyone judge for themselves. The time to move on occurred many, many years ago. Just my opinion. 
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,880
    cblock4life said:
    Zod said:
    PB11041 said:
    God, he is insufferable.  I liked Dave in the band, I enjoyed the music at that time, but for fuck sake he continues to have a good amount of amnesia that the band existed for a year before they knew him and he was already the 3rd drummer. 
    I guess?  He was PJ's drummer during their most influential period and the height of their popularity?  Dave Krusen wasn't able to tour for Ten, Matt Chamberlain was a temp, so Dave A. was hired and he was the drummer through all that early 90s craziness.   Then at the height of his career he gets fired from one of (if not the) biggest bands in the world.   Then for the rest of all the time the band doesn't like to talk about his contributions.

    I dunno.  I'd probably be bitter if I was in that scenario :)
    It’s actually quite sad not being able to move on after this many years have passed.  For his own well being he needs to figure it out so his final days aren’t clouded by envy and obviously hate towards the band.  He was fired for some reason or another but he’s never been able to say why and the band has eaten his shit comments without putting an end to it once and for all by releasing the reason.  If it was something crazy he should just be thankful they’ve acted more mature and not discussed it publicly. If it was not justified then talk about what you did and let everyone judge for themselves. The time to move on occurred many, many years ago. Just my opinion. 
    Also, if Jack Irons wasn't in Eleven in 1991, he probably would've been PJ's drummer right then and there. 
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  • PB11041PB11041 Posts: 2,805
    Caught-A-Bolt-Of-Lightning said:
    Well...I for one miss Dave A. Vs. would have been, in my opinion, an average album if Matt Cameron had been the drummer. Dave made Vs the album it is. Having said that I have a feeling in my gut that Dave may have been too much for Yield and I love Yield.
    proving the unprovable in both of these directions is a fun game of opinion duck, duck, goose.

    Dave did not make Vs. the record it is.  That is not a knock on his drumming, he sounds great on it and is able to really show his ability to play across various types of songs.  But Vs would have been the record it was with any compentent drummer.  

    To say Dave would have been too much for Yield is a bit puzzling while also asserting he made Vs what it was.  He absolutely could play in that vein.

    Dave is a great drummer, I wish he could have found his groove outside of music with the guys and they with him, but it is long over.
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