Can someone explain to me why my personal favorite Seuss book "McElligot's pool" got lumped in with the other books? The book is about a child's imagination, I cant really think of any racist images. Anybody have a clue?
Can someone explain to me why my personal favorite Seuss book "McElligot's pool" got lumped in with the other books? The book is about a child's imagination, I cant really think of any racist images. Anybody have a clue?
It was the Eskimo fish I believe.
They look like sperm. Could see them pulling it cause they don't want to expose kids to sperm, but not really seeing anything racist.
Also, couldn't they have just eliminated/altered or even replaced some of the illustrations and kept the books published? The prose doesn't seem to be the issue, so for example in the African image, change it to just an image of the bird and eliminate the 2 Al Jolsons carrying the bird.
Can someone explain to me why my personal favorite Seuss book "McElligot's pool" got lumped in with the other books? The book is about a child's imagination, I cant really think of any racist images. Anybody have a clue?
It was the Eskimo fish I believe.
Wow. That’s pretty damn weak.
I am not sure about the US, but in Canada Eskimo has been labeled an offensive term by some. We are to use Inuit now or the correct term for a specific group. I think it can be compared to calling an Asian person Oriental. If I remember correctly when they said the Edmonton Eskimo's were going to change their name last year there was a lot of support from the people up north to keep it and a lot of support that said it was offensive so it is not as cut and dry and other derogatory terms.
Can someone explain to me why my personal favorite Seuss book "McElligot's pool" got lumped in with the other books? The book is about a child's imagination, I cant really think of any racist images. Anybody have a clue?
It was the Eskimo fish I believe.
They look like sperm. Could see them pulling it cause they don't want to expose kids to sperm, but not really seeing anything racist.
Also, couldn't they have just eliminated/altered or even replaced some of the illustrations and kept the books published? The prose doesn't seem to be the issue, so for example in the African image, change it to just an image of the bird and eliminate the 2 Al Jolsons carrying the bird.
Apparently Dr Seuss DID make some changes to his works in the ‘80s in the interest of racial sensitivity.
“ULABY: Theodor Geisel, better known as Dr. Seuss, created a lot of racist work. Donald Pease is a professor who holds a position named for Theodor Geisel at Dartmouth College. He says Geisel, or Dr. Seuss, came to regret it.
DONALD PEASE: Dr. Seuss himself reexamined sometime in the 1980s the figure described as a Chinaman colored in yellow.
ULABY: So Seuss changed the character's skin color and called him a Chinese man, making it slightly less racist.”
Can someone explain to me why my personal favorite Seuss book "McElligot's pool" got lumped in with the other books? The book is about a child's imagination, I cant really think of any racist images. Anybody have a clue?
It was the Eskimo fish I believe.
Wow. That’s pretty damn weak.
I am not sure about the US, but in Canada Eskimo has been labeled an offensive term by some. We are to use Inuit now or the correct term for a specific group. I think it can be compared to calling an Asian person Oriental. If I remember correctly when they said the Edmonton Eskimo's were going to change their name last year there was a lot of support from the people up north to keep it and a lot of support that said it was offensive so it is not as cut and dry and other derogatory terms.
Here are a few of the words that are offensive that I don't understand and no I haven't researched it but most likely will afterwards.
Eskimo. No idea why? Is it the white mans name?
Oriental. We used to "travel to the Orient". Not sure why this became bad? I do know not to call Pilipino people Asians. They don't like that.
Colored. Another that confuses me as the NAACP has the term "colored" in it's acronym.
Mulatto. I always understood this to mean a mix of black and white but that too has become an offensive term.
Any others? When the term Afro -American was first being used I thought it was being racist, no shit, and would not say it because I was unsure.
eskimo translates into two different things: one interpretation is "meat eater", the other is "netter of shoes". both make the person appear primitive.
eskimo translates into two different things: one interpretation is "meat eater", the other is "netter of shoes". both make the person appear primitive.
I just read about the "Netter of shoes" one from the French word Esquimaux.
dr seuss is not a part of cancel culture. but republicans know their viewers/readers are too interested in being outraged than dealing with facts.
it's amazing to me the party that keeps claiming day in and day out about liberals being snowflakes, and all these fucking pricks do is whine about their racism and privilege being taken away from them.
dr seuss is not a part of cancel culture. but republicans know their viewers/readers are too interested in being outraged than dealing with facts.
it's amazing to me the party that keeps claiming day in and day out about liberals being snowflakes, and all these fucking pricks do is whine about their racism and privilege being taken away from them.
White grievance is about all the GOP has to sell these days, and people are buying in bulk.
"Weird" of the publisher to not just update the books... maybe they are not "allowed" by the estate?
They "famously" changed the n-word in Pippi Longstocking over here.
And in the childrens book "Alfons Åberg (Alfie Atkins)" the author/illustrator herself changed a glass of lemonade on the nightstand to water a couple of years back.
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
"Weird" of the publisher to not just update the books... maybe they are not "allowed" by the estate?
They "famously" changed the n-word in Pippi Longstocking over here.
And in the childrens book "Alfons Åberg (Alfie Atkins)" the author/illustrator herself changed a glass of lemonade on the nightstand to water a couple of years back.
If Geisel himself made similar changes in the 80's I doubt its a condition of the estate that they must remain unchanged, but who knows. These are not The Cat in the Hat, Hop on Pop or Horton Hears The Who Live at Leeds, they are not the top selling Seuss books, so maybe the estate figured just stop publishing rather than altering them.
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"Weird" of the publisher to not just update the books... maybe they are not "allowed" by the estate?
They "famously" changed the n-word in Pippi Longstocking over here.
And in the childrens book "Alfons Åberg (Alfie Atkins)" the author/illustrator herself changed a glass of lemonade on the nightstand to water a couple of years back.
If Geisel himself made similar changes in the 80's I doubt its a condition of the estate that they must remain unchanged, but who knows. These are not The Cat in the Hat, Hop on Pop or Horton Hears The Who Live at Leeds, they are not the top selling Seuss books, so maybe the estate figured just stop publishing rather than altering them.
"Weird" of the publisher to not just update the books... maybe they are not "allowed" by the estate?
They "famously" changed the n-word in Pippi Longstocking over here.
And in the childrens book "Alfons Åberg (Alfie Atkins)" the author/illustrator herself changed a glass of lemonade on the nightstand to water a couple of years back.
If Geisel himself made similar changes in the 80's I doubt its a condition of the estate that they must remain unchanged, but who knows. These are not The Cat in the Hat, Hop on Pop or Horton Hears The Who Live at Leeds, they are not the top selling Seuss books, so maybe the estate figured just stop publishing rather than altering them.
Ah, okey I have not grown up with Dr Seuss so I don't know how to tier his books.. I don't even know if those books are popular here.
I always have wanted to watch the Mike Myers movie though for some odd reason, but haven't yet. And I think Tay-tay voices a character in the CG animated Horton Hears The Who Live at Leeds.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
"Weird" of the publisher to not just update the books... maybe they are not "allowed" by the estate?
They "famously" changed the n-word in Pippi Longstocking over here.
And in the childrens book "Alfons Åberg (Alfie Atkins)" the author/illustrator herself changed a glass of lemonade on the nightstand to water a couple of years back.
If Geisel himself made similar changes in the 80's I doubt its a condition of the estate that they must remain unchanged, but who knows. These are not The Cat in the Hat, Hop on Pop or Horton Hears The Who Live at Leeds, they are not the top selling Seuss books, so maybe the estate figured just stop publishing rather than altering them.
Ah, okey I have not grown up with Dr Seuss so I don't know how to tier his books.. I don't even know if those books are popular here.
I always have wanted to watch the Mike Myers movie though for some odd reason, but haven't yet. And I think Tay-tay voices a character in the CG animated Horton Hears The Who Live at Leeds.
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That makes me picture Daffy Duck doing that “mine mine mine!” thing to Bugs about the treasures.
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Wait just a darn minute here - first he says they cannot take those things. Alright, he’s full of piss and vinegar, though I’d put money on his not possessing any form of Potato Head. But fine, Chalk it up to childish anger.
But then he turns around and offers up those things and it’s okay because he’ll eat the non-pulled subjects in his truck?
Wait just a darn minute here - first he says they cannot take those things. Alright, he’s full of piss and vinegar, though I’d put money on his not possessing any form of Potato Head. But fine, Chalk it up to childish anger.
But then he turns around and offers up those things and it’s okay because he’ll eat the non-pulled subjects in his truck?
Republicans are so mad at the Dr Seuss people for cancelling those 6 books they’re *checks notes* buying all the Dr Seuss books they can sending revenues soaring.
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Could see them pulling it cause they don't want to expose kids to sperm, but not really seeing anything racist.
Also, couldn't they have just eliminated/altered or even replaced some of the illustrations and kept the books published?
The prose doesn't seem to be the issue, so for example in the African image, change it to just an image of the bird and eliminate the 2 Al Jolsons carrying the bird.
“ULABY: Theodor Geisel, better known as Dr. Seuss, created a lot of racist work. Donald Pease is a professor who holds a position named for Theodor Geisel at Dartmouth College. He says Geisel, or Dr. Seuss, came to regret it.
DONALD PEASE: Dr. Seuss himself reexamined sometime in the 1980s the figure described as a Chinaman colored in yellow.
ULABY: So Seuss changed the character's skin color and called him a Chinese man, making it slightly less racist.”
Eskimo. No idea why? Is it the white mans name?
Oriental. We used to "travel to the Orient". Not sure why this became bad? I do know not to call Pilipino people Asians. They don't like that.
Colored. Another that confuses me as the NAACP has the term "colored" in it's acronym.
Mulatto. I always understood this to mean a mix of black and white but that too has become an offensive term.
Any others? When the term Afro -American was first being used I thought it was being racist, no shit, and would not say it because I was unsure.
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dr seuss is not a part of cancel culture. but republicans know their viewers/readers are too interested in being outraged than dealing with facts.
it's amazing to me the party that keeps claiming day in and day out about liberals being snowflakes, and all these fucking pricks do is whine about their racism and privilege being taken away from them.
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White grievance is about all the GOP has to sell these days, and people are buying in bulk.
They "famously" changed the n-word in Pippi Longstocking over here.
And in the childrens book "Alfons Åberg (Alfie Atkins)" the author/illustrator herself changed a glass of lemonade on the nightstand to water a couple of years back.
These are not The Cat in the Hat, Hop on Pop or Horton Hears The Who Live at Leeds, they are not the top selling Seuss books, so maybe the estate figured just stop publishing rather than altering them.
I always have wanted to watch the Mike Myers movie though for some odd reason, but haven't yet. And I think Tay-tay voices a character in the CG animated Horton Hears The Who Live at Leeds.
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But then he turns around and offers up those things and it’s okay because he’ll eat the non-pulled subjects in his truck?
Libtardaplorable©. And proud of it.
Brilliantati©
Here it's all about "Should we give more money to the elderly and health care or not".
Republicans are so mad at the Dr Seuss people for cancelling those 6 books they’re *checks notes* buying all the Dr Seuss books they can sending revenues soaring.