#46 President Joe Biden

Gern Blansten

Choccoloccotide said:

I could care less if Hunter was pardoned over tax evasion and gun charges.   But I do care that he’s going to get away with being the bag man for the Biden family international money laundering scheme. Trump should pardon ALL J6ers, b/c there’s not a damn thing that can be said about it now after this.

Well you are in luck because he can still be charged with all of those things if the evidence exists 

Choccoloccotide

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

I could care less if Hunter was pardoned over tax evasion and gun charges.   But I do care that he’s going to get away with being the bag man for the Biden family international money laundering scheme. Trump should pardon ALL J6ers, b/c there’s not a damn thing that can be said about it now after this.

Well you are in luck because he can still be charged with all of those things if the evidence exists 

Unfortunately this isn’t the case.  It was a sweeping pardon covering any and all crimes he committed or may have committed against the United States going back to 2014. One thing to look for though is now Hunter can’t plead the 5th if called to testify about the money laundering from Ukraine, China, Russia, etc.  We’ll see how that plays out.

Gern Blansten

Choccoloccotide said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

I could care less if Hunter was pardoned over tax evasion and gun charges.   But I do care that he’s going to get away with being the bag man for the Biden family international money laundering scheme. Trump should pardon ALL J6ers, b/c there’s not a damn thing that can be said about it now after this.

Well you are in luck because he can still be charged with all of those things if the evidence exists 

Unfortunately this isn’t the case.  It was a sweeping pardon covering any and all crimes he committed or may have committed against the United States going back to 2014. One thing to look for though is now Hunter can’t plead the 5th if called to testify about the money laundering from Ukraine, China, Russia, etc.  We’ll see how that plays out.

I stand corrected. I didn't realize it contained that verbiage.

But I'm glad that he did it...trump will abuse power this term just like he did before. 

nicknyr15

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

I could care less if Hunter was pardoned over tax evasion and gun charges.   But I do care that he’s going to get away with being the bag man for the Biden family international money laundering scheme. Trump should pardon ALL J6ers, b/c there’s not a damn thing that can be said about it now after this.

Well you are in luck because he can still be charged with all of those things if the evidence exists 

Unfortunately this isn’t the case.  It was a sweeping pardon covering any and all crimes he committed or may have committed against the United States going back to 2014. One thing to look for though is now Hunter can’t plead the 5th if called to testify about the money laundering from Ukraine, China, Russia, etc.  We’ll see how that plays out.

I stand corrected. I didn't realize it contained that verbiage.

But I'm glad that he did it...trump will abuse power this term just like he did before. 

It is what it is. Is it a good look? No. But anyone saying they wouldn’t have done the same thing is lying to themselves. I know I would’ve. 

benjs

nicknyr15 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

I could care less if Hunter was pardoned over tax evasion and gun charges.   But I do care that he’s going to get away with being the bag man for the Biden family international money laundering scheme. Trump should pardon ALL J6ers, b/c there’s not a damn thing that can be said about it now after this.

Well you are in luck because he can still be charged with all of those things if the evidence exists 

Unfortunately this isn’t the case.  It was a sweeping pardon covering any and all crimes he committed or may have committed against the United States going back to 2014. One thing to look for though is now Hunter can’t plead the 5th if called to testify about the money laundering from Ukraine, China, Russia, etc.  We’ll see how that plays out.

I stand corrected. I didn't realize it contained that verbiage.

But I'm glad that he did it...trump will abuse power this term just like he did before. 

It is what it is. Is it a good look? No. But anyone saying they wouldn’t have done the same thing is lying to themselves. I know I would’ve. 

Even a few years ago I probably would’ve said not to, as this would set a new precedent that Trump would exploit. That said, Trump breaks precedents and norms on a regular basis, so what does it matter.

Merkin Baller

benjs said:

nicknyr15 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

I could care less if Hunter was pardoned over tax evasion and gun charges.   But I do care that he’s going to get away with being the bag man for the Biden family international money laundering scheme. Trump should pardon ALL J6ers, b/c there’s not a damn thing that can be said about it now after this.

Well you are in luck because he can still be charged with all of those things if the evidence exists 

Unfortunately this isn’t the case.  It was a sweeping pardon covering any and all crimes he committed or may have committed against the United States going back to 2014. One thing to look for though is now Hunter can’t plead the 5th if called to testify about the money laundering from Ukraine, China, Russia, etc.  We’ll see how that plays out.

I stand corrected. I didn't realize it contained that verbiage.

But I'm glad that he did it...trump will abuse power this term just like he did before. 

It is what it is. Is it a good look? No. But anyone saying they wouldn’t have done the same thing is lying to themselves. I know I would’ve. 

Even a few years ago I probably would’ve said not to, as this would set a new precedent that Trump would exploit. That said, Trump breaks precedents and norms on a regular basis, so what does it matter.

This is my attitude at this point. 

Lerxst1992

Let's be honest, Dr Jill did this.



Amazing how the magas screamed Biden had dementia, now believes he is pulling the strings, then they vote for their own dementia candidate anyway to boot. Politics.

Gern Blansten

nicknyr15 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

I could care less if Hunter was pardoned over tax evasion and gun charges.   But I do care that he’s going to get away with being the bag man for the Biden family international money laundering scheme. Trump should pardon ALL J6ers, b/c there’s not a damn thing that can be said about it now after this.

Well you are in luck because he can still be charged with all of those things if the evidence exists 

Unfortunately this isn’t the case.  It was a sweeping pardon covering any and all crimes he committed or may have committed against the United States going back to 2014. One thing to look for though is now Hunter can’t plead the 5th if called to testify about the money laundering from Ukraine, China, Russia, etc.  We’ll see how that plays out.

I stand corrected. I didn't realize it contained that verbiage.

But I'm glad that he did it...trump will abuse power this term just like he did before. 

It is what it is. Is it a good look? No. But anyone saying they wouldn’t have done the same thing is lying to themselves. I know I would’ve. 

agreed....if it wasn't trump taking office he probably wouldn't have done it. 

The GOP conspiracy black hole said that other members of Biden's family were involved in some "schemes" so it might be odd if he pardons more family members but I probably wouldn't blame him with that either. 

mace1229

I don't think anyone is surprised by the pardon. I certainly expected it, especially since he wasn't on the ticket and Trump won, there was nothing holding him back.
The part that bothers me and looks bad is the blanket pardon for all crimes for a 10 year period. 
What Biden should have done is wait for sentencing, and most likely would have zero jail time, paid a fine and some probation and/or community service or something. Let him pay his fine, then pardon him for the probation and only specially for the charges he was found guilty of, not this blanket any and all crimes pardon. 

cincybearcat

Gern Blansten said:

nicknyr15 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

I could care less if Hunter was pardoned over tax evasion and gun charges.   But I do care that he’s going to get away with being the bag man for the Biden family international money laundering scheme. Trump should pardon ALL J6ers, b/c there’s not a damn thing that can be said about it now after this.

Well you are in luck because he can still be charged with all of those things if the evidence exists 

Unfortunately this isn’t the case.  It was a sweeping pardon covering any and all crimes he committed or may have committed against the United States going back to 2014. One thing to look for though is now Hunter can’t plead the 5th if called to testify about the money laundering from Ukraine, China, Russia, etc.  We’ll see how that plays out.

I stand corrected. I didn't realize it contained that verbiage.

But I'm glad that he did it...trump will abuse power this term just like he did before. 

It is what it is. Is it a good look? No. But anyone saying they wouldn’t have done the same thing is lying to themselves. I know I would’ve. 

agreed....if it wasn't trump taking office he probably wouldn't have done it. 

The GOP conspiracy black hole said that other members of Biden's family were involved in some "schemes" so it might be odd if he pardons more family members but I probably wouldn't blame him with that either. 

Man - you really think that?  Biden was ALWAYS going to do this when he left office cause this is what all politicians do when they are about to lose power...they use it to their benefit.  It's a crap move.  And only doesn;t look shady as shit cause trump has changed where some people draw the lines.

hunterh75

Nepo crack head gets another pass.............smh

tbergs

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

nicknyr15 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

I could care less if Hunter was pardoned over tax evasion and gun charges.   But I do care that he’s going to get away with being the bag man for the Biden family international money laundering scheme. Trump should pardon ALL J6ers, b/c there’s not a damn thing that can be said about it now after this.

Well you are in luck because he can still be charged with all of those things if the evidence exists 

Unfortunately this isn’t the case.  It was a sweeping pardon covering any and all crimes he committed or may have committed against the United States going back to 2014. One thing to look for though is now Hunter can’t plead the 5th if called to testify about the money laundering from Ukraine, China, Russia, etc.  We’ll see how that plays out.

I stand corrected. I didn't realize it contained that verbiage.

But I'm glad that he did it...trump will abuse power this term just like he did before. 

It is what it is. Is it a good look? No. But anyone saying they wouldn’t have done the same thing is lying to themselves. I know I would’ve. 

agreed....if it wasn't trump taking office he probably wouldn't have done it. 

The GOP conspiracy black hole said that other members of Biden's family were involved in some "schemes" so it might be odd if he pardons more family members but I probably wouldn't blame him with that either. 

Man - you really think that?  Biden was ALWAYS going to do this when he left office cause this is what all politicians do when they are about to lose power...they use it to their benefit.  It's a crap move.  And only doesn;t look shady as shit cause trump has changed where some people draw the lines.

This is where I'm at. Trump has eroded moral and ethical behavior, and even the standards for how we view actual criminal conduct. We can see it all across the political spectrum, so much so that people now justify it because Trump is so corrupt. The bar is gone. There's no telling what politicians, or even general public/private sector CEOs, will try to do. Anyone that has voted Trump has zero legitimate grounds to complain about any of it and I think we see that even in this thread. No MAGA is here trying to dispute what Biden did because they know Trump has and will do much more for his own personal gain.

As a parent, yeah, I'd want to pardon my son, but if I respect the rule of law, then I don't know how you justify it. Biden definitely tried and makes a compelling case, but on the flip side, you're also legitimizing the Trump claims that the DOJ abused power to go after him for his crimes. In my eyes, they're both guilty of the crimes they were tried for and received a fair trail. Watching wealthy white men get away with these things just further exaggerates the ineptitude of our justice system.

It's like the felons can't vote law that exists in most states, fuck that law if we're going to have a felon as president. What a hypocrisy. Let every person over 18 who is a citizen vote.

Gern Blansten

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

nicknyr15 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

I could care less if Hunter was pardoned over tax evasion and gun charges.   But I do care that he’s going to get away with being the bag man for the Biden family international money laundering scheme. Trump should pardon ALL J6ers, b/c there’s not a damn thing that can be said about it now after this.

Well you are in luck because he can still be charged with all of those things if the evidence exists 

Unfortunately this isn’t the case.  It was a sweeping pardon covering any and all crimes he committed or may have committed against the United States going back to 2014. One thing to look for though is now Hunter can’t plead the 5th if called to testify about the money laundering from Ukraine, China, Russia, etc.  We’ll see how that plays out.

I stand corrected. I didn't realize it contained that verbiage.

But I'm glad that he did it...trump will abuse power this term just like he did before. 

It is what it is. Is it a good look? No. But anyone saying they wouldn’t have done the same thing is lying to themselves. I know I would’ve. 

agreed....if it wasn't trump taking office he probably wouldn't have done it. 

The GOP conspiracy black hole said that other members of Biden's family were involved in some "schemes" so it might be odd if he pardons more family members but I probably wouldn't blame him with that either. 

Man - you really think that?  Biden was ALWAYS going to do this when he left office cause this is what all politicians do when they are about to lose power...they use it to their benefit.  It's a crap move.  And only doesn;t look shady as shit cause trump has changed where some people draw the lines.

I don't think any charges were warranted. The charges that stuck were all they could find. The IRS would have taken care of the unfiled returns at some point anyway. So in this regard I agree with the pardon.

As far as the blanket pardon...my guess is that one of the first "investigations" opened by the newly installed trump wing of the DOJ would be against Hunter. For no other reason than to just flex against Biden and give magats a means to yammer on and on about the "Biden crime family."

And they'll still yammer about the pardon at the same time that Musk uses his influence to benefit himself and other billionaires and the magats will be clueless as usual.

nicknyr15

Doesn’t help that he specifically said he wouldn’t pardon him either. Throwing up an easy lay up to magas 

Gern Blansten

nicknyr15 said:

Doesn’t help that he specifically said he wouldn’t pardon him either. Throwing up an easy lay up to magas 

Yeah the optics are bad but he did let the process play out. But fuck...trump says that he will pardon the J6 criminals and the magats were proud to vote for that so fuck them.

nicknyr15

Gern Blansten said:

nicknyr15 said:

Doesn’t help that he specifically said he wouldn’t pardon him either. Throwing up an easy lay up to magas 

Yeah the optics are bad but he did let the process play out. But fuck...trump says that he will pardon the J6 criminals and the magats were proud to vote for that so fuck them.

Fucked up all around. 

OnWis97

nicknyr15 said:

Doesn’t help that he specifically said he wouldn’t pardon him either. Throwing up an easy lay up to magas 

Yeah but it will never matter. Just more anger. I don't think it will haunt any elections in the future.

mace1229

Gern Blansten said:

nicknyr15 said:

Doesn’t help that he specifically said he wouldn’t pardon him either. Throwing up an easy lay up to magas 

Yeah the optics are bad but he did let the process play out. But fuck...trump says that he will pardon the J6 criminals and the magats were proud to vote for that so fuck them.

He only let the process play out to see if a pardon wasn't needed. If he got a good deal or not guilty verdict, etc. I always believed he was going to pardon him after the election. 

I don't get the argument of "it's just tax fraud.' People get charged for tax evasion every year, and 2/3 get jail time for it.  https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/quick-facts/Tax_Fraud_FY16.pdf
 He avoided $1.5 million and filed a false return. People have received prison terms for less. 

tempo_n_groove

So.  We have our friends and family make money any way they can and when they get caught doing something illegal you pardon them?

Is this the new playbook?

We are turning into a banana republic.

mickeyrat

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

nicknyr15 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

I could care less if Hunter was pardoned over tax evasion and gun charges.   But I do care that he’s going to get away with being the bag man for the Biden family international money laundering scheme. Trump should pardon ALL J6ers, b/c there’s not a damn thing that can be said about it now after this.

Well you are in luck because he can still be charged with all of those things if the evidence exists 

Unfortunately this isn’t the case.  It was a sweeping pardon covering any and all crimes he committed or may have committed against the United States going back to 2014. One thing to look for though is now Hunter can’t plead the 5th if called to testify about the money laundering from Ukraine, China, Russia, etc.  We’ll see how that plays out.

I stand corrected. I didn't realize it contained that verbiage.

But I'm glad that he did it...trump will abuse power this term just like he did before. 

It is what it is. Is it a good look? No. But anyone saying they wouldn’t have done the same thing is lying to themselves. I know I would’ve. 

agreed....if it wasn't trump taking office he probably wouldn't have done it. 

The GOP conspiracy black hole said that other members of Biden's family were involved in some "schemes" so it might be odd if he pardons more family members but I probably wouldn't blame him with that either. 

Man - you really think that?  Biden was ALWAYS going to do this when he left office cause this is what all politicians do when they are about to lose power...they use it to their benefit.  It's a crap move.  And only doesn;t look shady as shit cause trump has changed where some people draw the lines.

I don't think any charges were warranted. The charges that stuck were all they could find. The IRS would have taken care of the unfiled returns at some point anyway. So in this regard I agree with the pardon.

As far as the blanket pardon...my guess is that one of the first "investigations" opened by the newly installed trump wing of the DOJ would be against Hunter. For no other reason than to just flex against Biden and give magats a means to yammer on and on about the "Biden crime family."

And they'll still yammer about the pardon at the same time that Musk uses his influence to benefit himself and other billionaires and the magats will be clueless as usual.

thats just it. he was investigated by fuckstick doj in 2018. and subsequently paid what was owed.

Gern Blansten

mickeyrat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

nicknyr15 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

I could care less if Hunter was pardoned over tax evasion and gun charges.   But I do care that he’s going to get away with being the bag man for the Biden family international money laundering scheme. Trump should pardon ALL J6ers, b/c there’s not a damn thing that can be said about it now after this.

Well you are in luck because he can still be charged with all of those things if the evidence exists 

Unfortunately this isn’t the case.  It was a sweeping pardon covering any and all crimes he committed or may have committed against the United States going back to 2014. One thing to look for though is now Hunter can’t plead the 5th if called to testify about the money laundering from Ukraine, China, Russia, etc.  We’ll see how that plays out.

I stand corrected. I didn't realize it contained that verbiage.

But I'm glad that he did it...trump will abuse power this term just like he did before. 

It is what it is. Is it a good look? No. But anyone saying they wouldn’t have done the same thing is lying to themselves. I know I would’ve. 

agreed....if it wasn't trump taking office he probably wouldn't have done it. 

The GOP conspiracy black hole said that other members of Biden's family were involved in some "schemes" so it might be odd if he pardons more family members but I probably wouldn't blame him with that either. 

Man - you really think that?  Biden was ALWAYS going to do this when he left office cause this is what all politicians do when they are about to lose power...they use it to their benefit.  It's a crap move.  And only doesn;t look shady as shit cause trump has changed where some people draw the lines.

I don't think any charges were warranted. The charges that stuck were all they could find. The IRS would have taken care of the unfiled returns at some point anyway. So in this regard I agree with the pardon.

As far as the blanket pardon...my guess is that one of the first "investigations" opened by the newly installed trump wing of the DOJ would be against Hunter. For no other reason than to just flex against Biden and give magats a means to yammer on and on about the "Biden crime family."

And they'll still yammer about the pardon at the same time that Musk uses his influence to benefit himself and other billionaires and the magats will be clueless as usual.

thats just it. he was found out through audit, paid what he owed. before all this shit apoened or was even investigated by the house and subsequently by the delaware us atty no special counsel

yeah and what ever happened to trump's audit? I don't think we have ever heard the results of those.

mickeyrat

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

nicknyr15 said:

Doesn’t help that he specifically said he wouldn’t pardon him either. Throwing up an easy lay up to magas 

Yeah the optics are bad but he did let the process play out. But fuck...trump says that he will pardon the J6 criminals and the magats were proud to vote for that so fuck them.

He only let the process play out to see if a pardon wasn't needed. If he got a good deal or not guilty verdict, etc. I always believed he was going to pardon him after the election. 

I don't get the argument of "it's just tax fraud.' People get charged for tax evasion every year, and 2/3 get jail time for it.  https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/quick-facts/Tax_Fraud_FY16.pdf
 He avoided $1.5 million and filed a false return. People have received prison terms for less. 

and he subsequently paid it.

Gern Blansten

tempo_n_groove said:

So.  We have our friends and family make money any way they can and when they get caught doing something illegal you pardon them?

Is this the new playbook?

We are turning into a banana republic.

New playbook? Did you miss trump's pardon of Kushner? The tax evader that is now the ambassador to France?

tbergs

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

So.  We have our friends and family make money any way they can and when they get caught doing something illegal you pardon them?

Is this the new playbook?

We are turning into a banana republic.

New playbook? Did you miss trump's pardon of Kushner? The tax evader that is now the ambassador to France?

This is why all of this is so ridiculous. People don't pay attention to anything and then predominantly seem to think only 1 side is doing it.

tempo_n_groove

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

So.  We have our friends and family make money any way they can and when they get caught doing something illegal you pardon them?

Is this the new playbook?

We are turning into a banana republic.

New playbook? Did you miss trump's pardon of Kushner? The tax evader that is now the ambassador to France?

Yeah yeah and Nixon was pardoned too. Don't start w the whataboutisms...  I fully expect Trump to pardon wayyyy more felons.

It's just not a good look.

tempo_n_groove

Biden did say he wouldn't do this right?

nicknyr15

tempo_n_groove said:

Biden did say he wouldn't do this right?

Yes. 

HughFreakingDillon

he did. We all know and acknowledge that. He always hoped that Hunter would be dealt with fairly. Coming into this new admin, he obviously is concerned that they won’t treat him fairly, and there’s every logical resson to believe he’s right. Trump has openly stated he is going on a revenge tour, and with the perception that Biden weaponized the DOJ against him and his allies, there was every readon to believe Trump will seek revenge on Biden and family/allies. 

mace1229

mickeyrat said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

nicknyr15 said:

Doesn’t help that he specifically said he wouldn’t pardon him either. Throwing up an easy lay up to magas 

Yeah the optics are bad but he did let the process play out. But fuck...trump says that he will pardon the J6 criminals and the magats were proud to vote for that so fuck them.

He only let the process play out to see if a pardon wasn't needed. If he got a good deal or not guilty verdict, etc. I always believed he was going to pardon him after the election. 

I don't get the argument of "it's just tax fraud.' People get charged for tax evasion every year, and 2/3 get jail time for it.  https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/quick-facts/Tax_Fraud_FY16.pdf
 He avoided $1.5 million and filed a false return. People have received prison terms for less. 

and he subsequently paid it.

Plenty of people get the IRS fine and still face charges. Happens all the time. Paying back what you stole from the government doesn't erase the crime. 
Now I don't think he deserved hard prison time. But pardoning him before even the sentence was handed down after stating he would not pardon him is definitely a bad look. He avoided taxes, turned in a fraud tax return and lied to buy a gun. How exactly was Hunter being treated unfairly by being charged for things he admitted to doing? Because he said "sorry" and wrote a book about it its unfair he's now charged?

Gern Blansten

mace1229 said:

mickeyrat said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

nicknyr15 said:

Doesn’t help that he specifically said he wouldn’t pardon him either. Throwing up an easy lay up to magas 

Yeah the optics are bad but he did let the process play out. But fuck...trump says that he will pardon the J6 criminals and the magats were proud to vote for that so fuck them.

He only let the process play out to see if a pardon wasn't needed. If he got a good deal or not guilty verdict, etc. I always believed he was going to pardon him after the election. 

I don't get the argument of "it's just tax fraud.' People get charged for tax evasion every year, and 2/3 get jail time for it.  https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/quick-facts/Tax_Fraud_FY16.pdf
 He avoided $1.5 million and filed a false return. People have received prison terms for less. 

and he subsequently paid it.

Plenty of people get the IRS fine and still face charges. Happens all the time. Paying back what you stole from the government doesn't erase the crime. 
Now I don't think he deserved hard prison time. But pardoning him before even the sentence was handed down after stating he would not pardon him is definitely a bad look. He avoided taxes, turned in a fraud tax return and lied to buy a gun. How exactly was Hunter being treated unfairly by being charged for things he admitted to doing? Because he said "sorry" and wrote a book about it its unfair he's now charged?

because the charges came AFTER he had already dealt with it in the case of the taxes...the gun charge was all they could find and it was pretty lame if you ask me. They just had to find something...ironic that the pro gun party charged him with that.