Jon Stewart did make the point Thursday night that if neither (Biden or Trump) were on performance enhancing drugs that they better start using them.
A much needed bit of comic relief in an otherwise extremely depressing time to be alive.
I couldn't watch the debate. I just watched the Daily Show's coverage after it was over.
Smart move!
Even a good freind, who is super big on following politics and who got together with friends to watch the debate, they chose to turn it off half way through to console each other.
There has never been a worse time (that I know of) in U.S. politics. With all that's going on- the presidential snail race, the SCOTUS being MAGA packed, idiots like Marjorie Taylor Greens actually being in a position as a lawmaker, the overturn of Roe/Wade, states making aspects of religion mandatory in public schools, on and on and on.
And that's just politics. Throw in the threat of AI (and if anyone does not think AI is a threat, I challenge you to ask AI how it would overthrow and wipe out humanity- I've seen the results someone published, it will make you sick). Throw in climate change.
On a personal level, throw in being at the leading edge of a possible record breaking heat wave here in Northern California, and my record and book business dropping like a stone.
All I can do is either laugh or scream...
...but that hurts my throat. Better to...
There was nothing that could have come out of that debate to make me feel better. There was plenty of potential to make me feel worse about Biden's position and unfortunately that's what happened. Half of the time I watched Jon Stewart I was groaning and face palming.
I wish I was a sacrifice, but somehow still lived on.
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Seems like things are moving towards him bowing out
President Joe Biden arrives on Marine One at East Hampton Airport, in East Hampton, N.Y., on Saturday, June 29, 2024. (Haiyun Jiang/The New York Times)
President Joe Biden has told a key ally that he knows he may not be able to salvage his candidacy if he cannot convince the public in the coming days that he is up for the job after a disastrous debate performance last week.
The president, who the ally emphasized is still deeply in the fight for reelection, understands that his next few appearances heading into the holiday weekend — including an interview scheduled for Friday with George Stephanopoulos of ABC News and campaign stops in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — must go well.
“He knows if he has two more events like that, we’re in a different place” by the end of the weekend, said the ally, referring to Biden’s halting and unfocused performance in the debate. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive situation.
After the article published, Andrew Bates, a White House spokesperson, said it was “absolutely false.”
The conversation is the first indication to become public that the president is seriously considering whether he can recover after a devastating performance on the debate stage in Atlanta on June 27. Concerns are mounting about his viability as a candidate and whether he could serve as president for another four years.
A top adviser to Biden, who also spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the situation, said the president was “well aware of the political challenge he faces.”
White House officials did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Campaign officials were nervously watching polls, recognizing that bad numbers could fuel the crisis. A CBS News poll on Wednesday showed former President Donald Trump edging ahead of Biden since the debate with 50% to 48% nationally and 51% to 48% in battleground states.
Biden is slowly reaching out to Democratic elected officials and has a meeting with Democratic governors at the White House scheduled for Wednesday evening. He is also continuing to reach out to people he has long trusted and has told at least one person that he is open to the possibility that his plans to move on from his debate performance — and flip the focus back to his challenger, Trump — may not work.
Several allies of Biden, who has huddled with the family and advisers since the debate, have underscored that the president is still in the fight of his political life and largely sees this moment as a chance to come back from being counted out, as he has done many times throughout his half-century career.
But he is also cleareyed, they said, about his uphill battle to convince voters, donors and the political class that his debate performance was an anomaly.
President Joe Biden arrives on Marine One at East Hampton Airport, in East Hampton, N.Y., on Saturday, June 29, 2024. (Haiyun Jiang/The New York Times)
President Joe Biden has told a key ally that he knows he may not be able to salvage his candidacy if he cannot convince the public in the coming days that he is up for the job after a disastrous debate performance last week.
The president, who the ally emphasized is still deeply in the fight for reelection, understands that his next few appearances heading into the holiday weekend — including an interview scheduled for Friday with George Stephanopoulos of ABC News and campaign stops in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — must go well.
“He knows if he has two more events like that, we’re in a different place” by the end of the weekend, said the ally, referring to Biden’s halting and unfocused performance in the debate. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive situation.
After the article published, Andrew Bates, a White House spokesperson, said it was “absolutely false.”
The conversation is the first indication to become public that the president is seriously considering whether he can recover after a devastating performance on the debate stage in Atlanta on June 27. Concerns are mounting about his viability as a candidate and whether he could serve as president for another four years.
A top adviser to Biden, who also spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the situation, said the president was “well aware of the political challenge he faces.”
White House officials did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Campaign officials were nervously watching polls, recognizing that bad numbers could fuel the crisis. A CBS News poll on Wednesday showed former President Donald Trump edging ahead of Biden since the debate with 50% to 48% nationally and 51% to 48% in battleground states.
Biden is slowly reaching out to Democratic elected officials and has a meeting with Democratic governors at the White House scheduled for Wednesday evening. He is also continuing to reach out to people he has long trusted and has told at least one person that he is open to the possibility that his plans to move on from his debate performance — and flip the focus back to his challenger, Trump — may not work.
Several allies of Biden, who has huddled with the family and advisers since the debate, have underscored that the president is still in the fight of his political life and largely sees this moment as a chance to come back from being counted out, as he has done many times throughout his half-century career.
But he is also cleareyed, they said, about his uphill battle to convince voters, donors and the political class that his debate performance was an anomaly.
c.2024 The New York Times Company
Joe will do the right thing. He's a great American.
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1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
President Joe Biden arrives on Marine One at East Hampton Airport, in East Hampton, N.Y., on Saturday, June 29, 2024. (Haiyun Jiang/The New York Times)
President Joe Biden has told a key ally that he knows he may not be able to salvage his candidacy if he cannot convince the public in the coming days that he is up for the job after a disastrous debate performance last week.
The president, who the ally emphasized is still deeply in the fight for reelection, understands that his next few appearances heading into the holiday weekend — including an interview scheduled for Friday with George Stephanopoulos of ABC News and campaign stops in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — must go well.
“He knows if he has two more events like that, we’re in a different place” by the end of the weekend, said the ally, referring to Biden’s halting and unfocused performance in the debate. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive situation.
After the article published, Andrew Bates, a White House spokesperson, said it was “absolutely false.”
The conversation is the first indication to become public that the president is seriously considering whether he can recover after a devastating performance on the debate stage in Atlanta on June 27. Concerns are mounting about his viability as a candidate and whether he could serve as president for another four years.
A top adviser to Biden, who also spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the situation, said the president was “well aware of the political challenge he faces.”
White House officials did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Campaign officials were nervously watching polls, recognizing that bad numbers could fuel the crisis. A CBS News poll on Wednesday showed former President Donald Trump edging ahead of Biden since the debate with 50% to 48% nationally and 51% to 48% in battleground states.
Biden is slowly reaching out to Democratic elected officials and has a meeting with Democratic governors at the White House scheduled for Wednesday evening. He is also continuing to reach out to people he has long trusted and has told at least one person that he is open to the possibility that his plans to move on from his debate performance — and flip the focus back to his challenger, Trump — may not work.
Several allies of Biden, who has huddled with the family and advisers since the debate, have underscored that the president is still in the fight of his political life and largely sees this moment as a chance to come back from being counted out, as he has done many times throughout his half-century career.
But he is also cleareyed, they said, about his uphill battle to convince voters, donors and the political class that his debate performance was an anomaly.
c.2024 The New York Times Company
Joe will do the right thing. He's a great American.
I think so too. He has done his duty, 50 years of it. It's time to hand it over to the next generation of leaders in the D party.
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President Joe Biden arrives on Marine One at East Hampton Airport, in East Hampton, N.Y., on Saturday, June 29, 2024. (Haiyun Jiang/The New York Times)
President Joe Biden has told a key ally that he knows he may not be able to salvage his candidacy if he cannot convince the public in the coming days that he is up for the job after a disastrous debate performance last week.
The president, who the ally emphasized is still deeply in the fight for reelection, understands that his next few appearances heading into the holiday weekend — including an interview scheduled for Friday with George Stephanopoulos of ABC News and campaign stops in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — must go well.
“He knows if he has two more events like that, we’re in a different place” by the end of the weekend, said the ally, referring to Biden’s halting and unfocused performance in the debate. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive situation.
After the article published, Andrew Bates, a White House spokesperson, said it was “absolutely false.”
The conversation is the first indication to become public that the president is seriously considering whether he can recover after a devastating performance on the debate stage in Atlanta on June 27. Concerns are mounting about his viability as a candidate and whether he could serve as president for another four years.
A top adviser to Biden, who also spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the situation, said the president was “well aware of the political challenge he faces.”
White House officials did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Campaign officials were nervously watching polls, recognizing that bad numbers could fuel the crisis. A CBS News poll on Wednesday showed former President Donald Trump edging ahead of Biden since the debate with 50% to 48% nationally and 51% to 48% in battleground states.
Biden is slowly reaching out to Democratic elected officials and has a meeting with Democratic governors at the White House scheduled for Wednesday evening. He is also continuing to reach out to people he has long trusted and has told at least one person that he is open to the possibility that his plans to move on from his debate performance — and flip the focus back to his challenger, Trump — may not work.
Several allies of Biden, who has huddled with the family and advisers since the debate, have underscored that the president is still in the fight of his political life and largely sees this moment as a chance to come back from being counted out, as he has done many times throughout his half-century career.
But he is also cleareyed, they said, about his uphill battle to convince voters, donors and the political class that his debate performance was an anomaly.
c.2024 The New York Times Company
Joe will do the right thing. He's a great American.
I think so too. He has done his duty, 50 years of it. It's time to hand it over to the next generation of leaders in the D party.
More and more, both the general Democrat public and Dem lawmakers are calling for him to step down. Even though I've continued to support Biden, I get it. The pressing questions, of course, are, Who would be the Dem candidate, and Would Biden stepping down be a shoe-in for Trump.
Unnerving questions to ponder.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
President Joe Biden arrives on Marine One at East Hampton Airport, in East Hampton, N.Y., on Saturday, June 29, 2024. (Haiyun Jiang/The New York Times)
President Joe Biden has told a key ally that he knows he may not be able to salvage his candidacy if he cannot convince the public in the coming days that he is up for the job after a disastrous debate performance last week.
The president, who the ally emphasized is still deeply in the fight for reelection, understands that his next few appearances heading into the holiday weekend — including an interview scheduled for Friday with George Stephanopoulos of ABC News and campaign stops in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — must go well.
“He knows if he has two more events like that, we’re in a different place” by the end of the weekend, said the ally, referring to Biden’s halting and unfocused performance in the debate. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive situation.
After the article published, Andrew Bates, a White House spokesperson, said it was “absolutely false.”
The conversation is the first indication to become public that the president is seriously considering whether he can recover after a devastating performance on the debate stage in Atlanta on June 27. Concerns are mounting about his viability as a candidate and whether he could serve as president for another four years.
A top adviser to Biden, who also spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the situation, said the president was “well aware of the political challenge he faces.”
White House officials did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Campaign officials were nervously watching polls, recognizing that bad numbers could fuel the crisis. A CBS News poll on Wednesday showed former President Donald Trump edging ahead of Biden since the debate with 50% to 48% nationally and 51% to 48% in battleground states.
Biden is slowly reaching out to Democratic elected officials and has a meeting with Democratic governors at the White House scheduled for Wednesday evening. He is also continuing to reach out to people he has long trusted and has told at least one person that he is open to the possibility that his plans to move on from his debate performance — and flip the focus back to his challenger, Trump — may not work.
Several allies of Biden, who has huddled with the family and advisers since the debate, have underscored that the president is still in the fight of his political life and largely sees this moment as a chance to come back from being counted out, as he has done many times throughout his half-century career.
But he is also cleareyed, they said, about his uphill battle to convince voters, donors and the political class that his debate performance was an anomaly.
c.2024 The New York Times Company
Joe will do the right thing. He's a great American.
I think so too. He has done his duty, 50 years of it. It's time to hand it over to the next generation of leaders in the D party.
More and more, both the general Democrat public and Dem lawmakers are calling for him to step down. Even though I've continued to support Biden, I get it. The pressing questions, of course, are, Who would be the Dem candidate, and Would Biden stepping down be a shoe-in for Trump.
Unnerving questions to ponder.
I think we have a good bench of candidates. The question is whether they can develop the ground game, field offices and fundraising in time to win. And now you have to do this before early voting starts, so you don't have until November. You have until early October.
that is an insane amount of time to get organized, get the message out, convince people, and win. what would the odds be on that? 1000 to 1?
You being serious? That's no time. A good campaign has field offices in place by Q3 the year before the election. You need them for the primaries and then you build off of them.
Harris has the big advantage here because she has access to all of the Biden-Harris funds and could just absorb the staff. IT would be more difficult for a Newsome or Pete to do that since they are not part of the existing campaign.
by insane I meant not enough. I realize now how that wording came across.
I took it as "insanely little time to prepare".
That's definitely what concerns me.
I hate to sound like a pessimist, but the coming election reminds me of one of those ball games where you're home team is in the bottom of the ninth, you team is down 11 to 1, and you're in the middle of the batting order. I've seen a game like that turn around, but it's a rare thing.
Hoping for a miracle.
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by insane I meant not enough. I realize now how that wording came across.
I took it as "insanely little time to prepare".
That's definitely what concerns me.
I hate to sound like a pessimist, but the coming election reminds me of one of those ball games where you're home team is in the bottom of the ninth, you team is down 11 to 1, and you're in the middle of the batting order. I've seen a game like that turn around, but it's a rare thing.
Hoping for a miracle.
Things were looking bleak even before last Thursday too....but nobody wanted to believe that polling for some reason. Now all of a sudden, everyone is paying attention to each and every poll that comes out. lol
by insane I meant not enough. I realize now how that wording came across.
I took it as "insanely little time to prepare".
That's definitely what concerns me.
I hate to sound like a pessimist, but the coming election reminds me of one of those ball games where you're home team is in the bottom of the ninth, you team is down 11 to 1, and you're in the middle of the batting order. I've seen a game like that turn around, but it's a rare thing.
Hoping for a miracle.
Things were looking bleak even before last Thursday too....but nobody wanted to believe that polling for some reason. Now all of a sudden, everyone is paying attention to each and every poll that comes out. lol
I don't think the polling is a good representation of the electorate, but I do think comparing the same polls (same method) before and after the debate gives a good look how the debate moved people. It's useful that way. Do I really think Biden is six points back? No. I do believe he could have lost 3 points in a week though.
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F me, I feel like I'm freaking out to much. It's like being on bad drugs without the drugs? Suggestions?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I'm just wondering what everyone else has been watching in regards to Biden before that debate that they didn't think he was way too old and unable to do the job. It seems evident for some time now. And if anything was getting done, it wasn't cause of Joe, it was in spite of him.
I hope they prove me wrong but the Democrats seem to find a way to steal defeat from the jaws of victory ...
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I'm just wondering what everyone else has been watching in regards to Biden before that debate that they didn't think he was way too old and unable to do the job. It seems evident for some time now. And if anything was getting done, it wasn't cause of Joe, it was in spite of him.
I hope they prove me wrong but the Democrats seem to find a way to steal defeat from the jaws of victory ...
I hate to admit it, but sometime I think the theme song is
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There was nothing that could have come out of that debate to make me feel better. There was plenty of potential to make me feel worse about Biden's position and unfortunately that's what happened. Half of the time I watched Jon Stewart I was groaning and face palming.
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yeah texas representatives are usually on the incorrect side of everything. dem or not. let me know when a bigtime blue state senator calls for it.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
but don jr being in meetings is just as bad.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
https://freebeacon.com/democrats/baldwin-wont-campaign-with-biden-in-wisconsin-as-vulnerable-dems-back-away-from-president/
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
several outpreformed biden in 20 and clinton in 16.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
We’re Releasing Our Full, Unedited Interview With Joe Biden From September
Following Biden’s poor debate performance against Donald Trump, we’re releasing the full and unedited 21-minute interview we conducted with President Joe Biden nine days before his interview with Special Counsel Robert K. Hur.
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In the wake of President Joe Biden’s poor debate performance, his opponents and most major media organizations have pointed out that he has done few interviews that give the public an opportunity to hear him speak without a script or teleprompters.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-told-ally-weighing-whether-151745457.html
Biden Told Ally That He Is Weighing Whether to Continue in the Race
President Joe Biden has told a key ally that he knows he may not be able to salvage his candidacy if he cannot convince the public in the coming days that he is up for the job after a disastrous debate performance last week.
The president, who the ally emphasized is still deeply in the fight for reelection, understands that his next few appearances heading into the holiday weekend — including an interview scheduled for Friday with George Stephanopoulos of ABC News and campaign stops in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — must go well.
“He knows if he has two more events like that, we’re in a different place” by the end of the weekend, said the ally, referring to Biden’s halting and unfocused performance in the debate. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive situation.
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After the article published, Andrew Bates, a White House spokesperson, said it was “absolutely false.”
The conversation is the first indication to become public that the president is seriously considering whether he can recover after a devastating performance on the debate stage in Atlanta on June 27. Concerns are mounting about his viability as a candidate and whether he could serve as president for another four years.
A top adviser to Biden, who also spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the situation, said the president was “well aware of the political challenge he faces.”
White House officials did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Campaign officials were nervously watching polls, recognizing that bad numbers could fuel the crisis. A CBS News poll on Wednesday showed former President Donald Trump edging ahead of Biden since the debate with 50% to 48% nationally and 51% to 48% in battleground states.
Biden is slowly reaching out to Democratic elected officials and has a meeting with Democratic governors at the White House scheduled for Wednesday evening. He is also continuing to reach out to people he has long trusted and has told at least one person that he is open to the possibility that his plans to move on from his debate performance — and flip the focus back to his challenger, Trump — may not work.
Several allies of Biden, who has huddled with the family and advisers since the debate, have underscored that the president is still in the fight of his political life and largely sees this moment as a chance to come back from being counted out, as he has done many times throughout his half-century career.
But he is also cleareyed, they said, about his uphill battle to convince voters, donors and the political class that his debate performance was an anomaly.
c.2024 The New York Times Company
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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Harris has the big advantage here because she has access to all of the Biden-Harris funds and could just absorb the staff. IT would be more difficult for a Newsome or Pete to do that since they are not part of the existing campaign.
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I hope they prove me wrong but the Democrats seem to find a way to steal defeat from the jaws of victory ...
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana