#46 President Joe Biden
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Biden held a press conference to announce a prisoner trade. Unbelievable. Like this was some sort of accomplishment. Glad an American is back but this isn't an accomplishment to boast about. A trade.
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You are? lolbootlegger10 said:Biden held a press conference to announce a prisoner trade. Unbelievable. Like this was some sort of accomplishment. Glad an American is back but this isn't an accomplishment to boast about. A trade.
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Trump should have swapped the arms dealer for Hunter's server.0 -
right....but what is the punishment for espionage? Whelan has been in for four years right? Bout was in for fourteenbootlegger10 said:I don't care what either family thinks. I'm looking at the situation. After how many months of negotiating we took the deal we got offered in the first hour of negotiations. Miserable failure, and not sure how someone in jail longer in Russia for the same crime is still sitting there.
Of course the family is going to say they are happy she is back. Nobody wants any of them over there. If they broke the law then they should serve some punishment over there, but not Russian punishment.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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If a middle aged white man from Ohio had done the exact same thing Griner did and was swapped in the exact kind of exchange that was agreed upon today, something tells me a lot of people wouldn't be so outraged this morning.www.myspace.com0
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Actually, yes. Can still be critical though of the process and failure to bring other Americans home.The Juggler said:
You are? lolbootlegger10 said:Biden held a press conference to announce a prisoner trade. Unbelievable. Like this was some sort of accomplishment. Glad an American is back but this isn't an accomplishment to boast about. A trade.
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Well, the middle aged white man from Pennsylvania (Marc Fogel) is still in prison in Russia for same crime as Griner, so perhaps if we get better at negotiating we can prove your theory. He didn’t play basketball and wasn’t famous enough to merit a trade.The Juggler said:If a middle aged white man from Ohio had done the exact same thing Griner did and was swapped in the exact kind of exchange that was agreed upon today, something tells me a lot of people wouldn't be so outraged this morning.
Trust me, I would be blasting the administration for any one person trade for the arms dealer. Let’s stop ignoring the fact that Griner was more famous and Biden wanted a win and for it to go away because nobody will care about Fogel.Post edited by bootlegger10 on0 -
Yeah....I'm sure you're well aware of the innerworkings of the negotiating and what Russia was willing to part with, boot. Come on man.bootlegger10 said:
Well, the middle aged white man from Pennsylvania (Marc Fogel) is still in prison in Russia for same crime as Griner, so perhaps if we get better at negotiating we can prove your theory. He didn’t play basketball and wasn’t famous enough to merit a trade.The Juggler said:If a middle aged white man from Ohio had done the exact same thing Griner did and was swapped in the exact kind of exchange that was agreed upon today, something tells me a lot of people wouldn't be so outraged this morning.
Trust me, I would be blasting the administration for any one person trade for the arms dealer. Let’s stop ignoring the fact that Griner was more famous and Biden wanted a win and for it to go away because nobody will care about Fogel.
A political win, that is being widely criticized, a month AFTER an historical midterm win is what you're going with here? That makes no sense what so ever.www.myspace.com0 -
How are you so sure that this administration is done negotiating the release of any other captive Americans? Please point us to when this administration stated that they are done negotiating?bootlegger10 said:I don't care what either family thinks. I'm looking at the situation. After how many months of negotiating we took the deal we got offered in the first hour of negotiations. Miserable failure, and not sure how someone in jail longer in Russia for the same crime is still sitting there.
Of course the family is going to say they are happy she is back. Nobody wants any of them over there. If they broke the law then they should serve some punishment over there, but not Russian punishment.
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Fogel had 17 grams....Griner less than 1 grambootlegger10 said:
Well, the middle aged white man from Pennsylvania (Marc Fogel) is still in prison in Russia for same crime as Griner, so perhaps if we get better at negotiating we can prove your theory. He didn’t play basketball and wasn’t famous enough to merit a trade.The Juggler said:If a middle aged white man from Ohio had done the exact same thing Griner did and was swapped in the exact kind of exchange that was agreed upon today, something tells me a lot of people wouldn't be so outraged this morning.
Trust me, I would be blasting the administration for any one person trade for the arms dealer. Let’s stop ignoring the fact that Griner was more famous and Biden wanted a win and for it to go away because nobody will care about Fogel.
and Griner famous? please...admit that you had no idea who she was prior to her arrestRemember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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He keeps saying same crime too. 9 year term verses 14 year term tells me the two are not quite the same....josevolution said:
How are you so sure that this administration is done negotiating the release of any other captive Americans? Please point us to when this administration stated that they are done negotiating?bootlegger10 said:I don't care what either family thinks. I'm looking at the situation. After how many months of negotiating we took the deal we got offered in the first hour of negotiations. Miserable failure, and not sure how someone in jail longer in Russia for the same crime is still sitting there.
Of course the family is going to say they are happy she is back. Nobody wants any of them over there. If they broke the law then they should serve some punishment over there, but not Russian punishment.www.myspace.com0 -
The so called “deal we got offered in the first hour,” was reported on and in discussions back in fucking May.bootlegger10 said:I don't care what either family thinks. I'm looking at the situation. After how many months of negotiating we took the deal we got offered in the first hour of negotiations. Miserable failure, and not sure how someone in jail longer in Russia for the same crime is still sitting there.
Of course the family is going to say they are happy she is back. Nobody wants any of them over there. If they broke the law then they should serve some punishment over there, but not Russian punishment.
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I'm not taking side here but I honestly want to know, what is it about Brittney Griner to refer to her as "represents the best America — the best about America"?
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Had no idea who she was, but somehow her contingent were able to keep her name in the media more than the others.Gern Blansten said:
Fogel had 17 grams....Griner less than 1 grambootlegger10 said:
Well, the middle aged white man from Pennsylvania (Marc Fogel) is still in prison in Russia for same crime as Griner, so perhaps if we get better at negotiating we can prove your theory. He didn’t play basketball and wasn’t famous enough to merit a trade.The Juggler said:If a middle aged white man from Ohio had done the exact same thing Griner did and was swapped in the exact kind of exchange that was agreed upon today, something tells me a lot of people wouldn't be so outraged this morning.
Trust me, I would be blasting the administration for any one person trade for the arms dealer. Let’s stop ignoring the fact that Griner was more famous and Biden wanted a win and for it to go away because nobody will care about Fogel.
and Griner famous? please...admit that you had no idea who she was prior to her arrest
Don’t think 16 grams difference should play a role in how the US picks a prisoner.0 -
Not the same in Russia’s eyes maybe.The Juggler said:
He keeps saying same crime too. 9 year term verses 14 year term tells me the two are not quite the same....josevolution said:
How are you so sure that this administration is done negotiating the release of any other captive Americans? Please point us to when this administration stated that they are done negotiating?bootlegger10 said:I don't care what either family thinks. I'm looking at the situation. After how many months of negotiating we took the deal we got offered in the first hour of negotiations. Miserable failure, and not sure how someone in jail longer in Russia for the same crime is still sitting there.
Of course the family is going to say they are happy she is back. Nobody wants any of them over there. If they broke the law then they should serve some punishment over there, but not Russian punishment.0 -
I have no doubt that the US is trying to get the others back.josevolution said:
How are you so sure that this administration is done negotiating the release of any other captive Americans? Please point us to when this administration stated that they are done negotiating?bootlegger10 said:I don't care what either family thinks. I'm looking at the situation. After how many months of negotiating we took the deal we got offered in the first hour of negotiations. Miserable failure, and not sure how someone in jail longer in Russia for the same crime is still sitting there.
Of course the family is going to say they are happy she is back. Nobody wants any of them over there. If they broke the law then they should serve some punishment over there, but not Russian punishment.
I just find this particular deal utterly pathetic on the US’s part. It should have been a 3 for 1 trade. We gonna hand over bombs next time, because that is basically what we did this time and only got one of many American prisoners back.
I am surprised some of you don’t expect more from your government. If you criticize Biden here you are automatically labeled MAGA.0 -
So go ahead point me to when this administration stated that they are done negotiating the release of any other American captives? Will be here waitingbootlegger10 said:
Not the same in Russia’s eyes maybe.The Juggler said:
He keeps saying same crime too. 9 year term verses 14 year term tells me the two are not quite the same....josevolution said:
How are you so sure that this administration is done negotiating the release of any other captive Americans? Please point us to when this administration stated that they are done negotiating?bootlegger10 said:I don't care what either family thinks. I'm looking at the situation. After how many months of negotiating we took the deal we got offered in the first hour of negotiations. Miserable failure, and not sure how someone in jail longer in Russia for the same crime is still sitting there.
Of course the family is going to say they are happy she is back. Nobody wants any of them over there. If they broke the law then they should serve some punishment over there, but not Russian punishment.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
Why wait?josevolution said:
So go ahead point me to when this administration stated that they are done negotiating the release of any other American captives? Will be here waitingbootlegger10 said:
Not the same in Russia’s eyes maybe.The Juggler said:
He keeps saying same crime too. 9 year term verses 14 year term tells me the two are not quite the same....josevolution said:
How are you so sure that this administration is done negotiating the release of any other captive Americans? Please point us to when this administration stated that they are done negotiating?bootlegger10 said:I don't care what either family thinks. I'm looking at the situation. After how many months of negotiating we took the deal we got offered in the first hour of negotiations. Miserable failure, and not sure how someone in jail longer in Russia for the same crime is still sitting there.
Of course the family is going to say they are happy she is back. Nobody wants any of them over there. If they broke the law then they should serve some punishment over there, but not Russian punishment.White House says it will continue to negotiate for Whelan’s release
White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre told reporters Thursday that the administration will continue working to secure Paul Whelan’s release, saying that Russia was not willing to reach an agreement on his release.
Russia, she said, was willing only to let Brittney Griner go in exchange for the Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout.
Whelan has been made aware that Griner was released, Jean-Pierre added.
“This was not a choice for us on which American to bring home,” Jean-Pierre said. “That was not the choice. It was a choice between bringing home one American or bringing home none.”
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Quite obviously makes a difference in Russia's eyes...bootlegger10 said:
Had no idea who she was, but somehow her contingent were able to keep her name in the media more than the others.Gern Blansten said:
Fogel had 17 grams....Griner less than 1 grambootlegger10 said:
Well, the middle aged white man from Pennsylvania (Marc Fogel) is still in prison in Russia for same crime as Griner, so perhaps if we get better at negotiating we can prove your theory. He didn’t play basketball and wasn’t famous enough to merit a trade.The Juggler said:If a middle aged white man from Ohio had done the exact same thing Griner did and was swapped in the exact kind of exchange that was agreed upon today, something tells me a lot of people wouldn't be so outraged this morning.
Trust me, I would be blasting the administration for any one person trade for the arms dealer. Let’s stop ignoring the fact that Griner was more famous and Biden wanted a win and for it to go away because nobody will care about Fogel.
and Griner famous? please...admit that you had no idea who she was prior to her arrest
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If this guy gets released in the next week (obviously don't expect that) people will still complain Griner got let out first. lolHalifax2TheMax said:
Why wait?josevolution said:
So go ahead point me to when this administration stated that they are done negotiating the release of any other American captives? Will be here waitingbootlegger10 said:
Not the same in Russia’s eyes maybe.The Juggler said:
He keeps saying same crime too. 9 year term verses 14 year term tells me the two are not quite the same....josevolution said:
How are you so sure that this administration is done negotiating the release of any other captive Americans? Please point us to when this administration stated that they are done negotiating?bootlegger10 said:I don't care what either family thinks. I'm looking at the situation. After how many months of negotiating we took the deal we got offered in the first hour of negotiations. Miserable failure, and not sure how someone in jail longer in Russia for the same crime is still sitting there.
Of course the family is going to say they are happy she is back. Nobody wants any of them over there. If they broke the law then they should serve some punishment over there, but not Russian punishment.White House says it will continue to negotiate for Whelan’s release
White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre told reporters Thursday that the administration will continue working to secure Paul Whelan’s release, saying that Russia was not willing to reach an agreement on his release.
Russia, she said, was willing only to let Brittney Griner go in exchange for the Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout.
Whelan has been made aware that Griner was released, Jean-Pierre added.
“This was not a choice for us on which American to bring home,” Jean-Pierre said. “That was not the choice. It was a choice between bringing home one American or bringing home none.”
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