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    https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/trump-biden-pennsylvania-issues-poll-20240513.html

    Biden is struggling in Pa. — even with his base— as voters prefer Trump on major issues. Here are takeaways from a new Inquirer/NYT/Siena poll.

    President Joe Biden is polling at just 36% in Pennsylvania when third-party candidates are counted, despite numerous visits to the state. Former President Donald Trump isn’t doing much better, but he leads Biden on the economy and other issues.

    President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump are locked in a tight race a new poll from The New York Times Philadelphia Inquirer and Siena College shows
    President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump are locked in a tight race, a new poll from The New York Times, Philadelphia Inquirer, and Siena College shows.Steve Madden
      by Julia Terruso and Aseem ShuklaPublished May 13, 2024, 3:00 a.m. ET

    After months of return visits to Pennsylvania and millions of dollars poured into political advertisements, President Joe Biden hasn’t gained ground in the critical swing state.

    Instead, he’s in a dead heat with former President Donald Trump.

    Trump leads Biden 47% to 44% with registered voters in a two-way race, according to a new Philadelphia Inquirer/New York Times/Siena College poll. That’s within the survey’s margin of error, and when third-party candidates are included, the gap is similar — but Biden doesn’t even hit 40%.

    The poll of 1,023 registered voters was conducted April 28 to May 7. The survey has a margin of error of +/-3.6 percentage points.

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    The tightness of the race appears to stem in part from an erosion of Biden’s support among key Democratic constituencies, with the poll showing frustration with the president on key issues that could impact the strength of his backing even in the reliably blue Philadelphia suburbs.

    Pennsylvania voters said they are down on the economy and eager for changes in the political system. With two repeat candidates on the ballot, they are narrowly split with six months until the presidential election.

    Biden appears to similarly be in trouble in other swing states, with Trump also leading in Michigan, Nevada, Arizona, and Georgia, according to the Times polls, and the candidates are tied in Wisconsin. All are critical battlegrounds that Biden won in 2020, and he will need to notch victories in several of them to have any hope of victory this fall.

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    Pennsylvania could determine who wins the White House and Biden has crisscrossed the state, making trips to Scranton, Pittsburgh, and Philadelphia and its suburbs all within the last three months. Still, voters spanning the state — and across the age spectrum — have deeply negative impressions of his job performance and ability to lead on issues such as the economy.

    Trump is also viewed unfavorably but leads Biden on nearly every issue polled, except abortion, on which Trump trails by double digits. The former president has managed to run even with Biden despite spending far less time on the campaign trail and a split screen of Biden in the Oval Office while Trump sits on trial for alleged hush money payments to a porn star, with more criminal cases pending.

    The political impact of a potential conviction of the former president, which would be unprecedented, remains unknown at this point. Trump remains ahead with voters on the issue of crime — even as he stands trial.

    Biden is losing support with young and non-white voters

    Biden’s support among young people in the state has waned since 2020.

    The same is true of non-white voters, including those who identify as Black and Hispanic/Latino, two groups that were instrumental to Biden’s 2020 win. A drop in support from these traditionally Democratic constituencies could imperil Biden’s chances in Pennsylvania and elsewhere.

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    Giorgio Vavlas, a 24-year-old voter from Pittston, Luzerne County, who was polled, backed Biden in 2020 but has felt the financial pressures of post-graduate life and doesn’t see himself supporting the president in November.

    “Things are more expensive. Gas, groceries, rent, all those types of things,” said Vavlas, who works in tech sales. “... I don’t think he’s been necessarily the best as president. And then the other thing is when you see him on TV, he doesn’t always seem the most competent.”

    The issue of age and mental competency has become a major topic in the campaign. Biden, 81, and Trump, 77, are the two oldest major party nominees for president.

    Young voters, such as Vavlas, are roughly evenly split between Biden and Trump in the May poll. That finding has a wide margin of error but still represents a huge change from 2020, when a NYT/Siena poll found Biden winning young people in the state by as many as 30 points.

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    Biden’s approval rating is lower among the state’s youngest voters than it is statewide. Young voters’ perceptions of the economy are also worse, and they trust Biden less than Trump with his handling of the war in Gaza.

    Young voters turned out in record numbers in 2020 but a drop in their support remains an issue for him. In Pennsylvania’s April primary, a large number of Democrats cast write-in votes for president, many protesting his handling of the Middle East conflict.

    Non-white voters, which encompasses Asian, American Indian, Alaska Native, Middle Eastern or North African, Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander voters as well as Black and Hispanic/Latino voters, also signaled less support for Biden than seen in 2020.

    When asked to choose just one of the two major candidates, a majority picked Biden, while only about a quarter picked Trump. But that margin is less overwhelming than it was in 2020, when polls found Biden winning 70% of non-white voters.

    Benjamin Duerr a Democrat from Upper Darby voted for President Joe Biden in 2020 He said hes disillusioned with politics but will back Biden again this year
    Benjamin Duerr, a Democrat from Upper Darby, voted for President Joe Biden in 2020. He said he's disillusioned with politics, but will back Biden again this year.Steven M. Falk / Staff Photographer

    John Robinson, 24, of Pittsburgh, backs Biden reluctantly. He’s concerned about Biden’s age and Robinson, who is Black, said he doesn’t think Biden has always been a good advocate for racial equality.

    “I don’t think he’s fully capable,” said Robinson, a middle school teacher. “… he’s too old to do the job.”

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    Still, Robinson doesn’t consider Trump an option.

    “I think the guy’s a villain,” he said. “And I won’t be part of him advancing in any way.”

    It’s unclear whether declining support for Biden among non-white voters in Pennsylvania actually translates to more support for Trump. As many as one-fifth of non-white voters refused to commit to any candidate. Either way, even a slight erosion of Democratic support among Black and Latino voters could make a difference in the state.

    Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is favored by 10% of Pa. voters

    Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the environmental lawyer and past anti-vaccine activist running as an independent, has support from about 10% of voters in Pennsylvania, on par with his margin in other states.

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    And 9% of Pennsylvania voters said they did not know who they would support.

    Valvas, the voter from Pittston, said he’s leaning toward Kennedy largely because he wants to see a change.

    “I think somebody new in there, whether it’s fresh ideas, a new voice, is kind of what’s needed,” he said.

    Most Kennedy supporters in Pennsylvania say they are voting for him in opposition to their other choices and the majority say they are not open to changing their vote to Trump or Biden. If forced to choose between major candidates, they would divide their vote evenly, so it’s unclear who Kennedy is pulling more voters from.

    Trump supporters are happier with their options in the presidential election than Biden supporters by a margin of 69% to 55%.

    » READ MORE: There’s only one key issue where Pa. voters trust Joe Biden over Donald Trump: Abortion

    Trump leads on the issues in Pennsylvania — except abortion

    Voters across the state are pessimistic about the economy and favor Trump — by 12 points over Biden — to fix it.

    “I know how he will handle the economy and we’ll get cheap gas again and all the prices will drop,” said Matthew Innis, a registered Republican from Drexel Hill.

    Innis, 55, an auto mechanic, said gas and grocery prices have been a drag on his wallet. “They used to cost $200 a week to feed my family,” he said. “Now it’s $350.” He thinks Trump’s policies would lead to a drop in retail prices and make it cheaper to move products.

    Matthew Innis a Trump supporter shown at his home in Drexel Hill on  Thursday May 9 2024 He cited gas prices as one reason he supports the former president
    Matthew Innis, a Trump supporter, shown at his home in Drexel Hill on Thursday, May 9, 2024. He cited gas prices as one reason he supports the former president.Jessica Griffin / Staff Photographer

    Voters also trust Trump more on crime by 9 points. He also has a lead within the margin of error on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

    Joseph Ferraro, a 55-year-old Trump supporter from Union City, Erie County, blames lax enforcement at the border on the fentanyl crisis. His son died of a fentanyl overdose.

    “I want the border closed. I want it shut down,” Ferraro said. “I want the illegals out of this country.”

    Overall, the economy, abortion, and immigration were the top three issues that voters said would decide their vote in November.

    On abortion, Biden continues to lead Trump by double digits. Legal abortions are widely supported statewide, even in geographic regions that are strongly pro-Trump.

    Janet Buskirk, 75, a retired teacher from Wyomissing, Berks County, said women’s reproductive rights are top of mind as she looks to reelect Biden.

    “I worry that it’s going to be a complete ban on abortion,” she said. Buskirk’s daughter had to undergo a procedure when she lost a baby during pregnancy. Buskirk said she fears her daughter may not have lived if that happened in a state with a strict abortion ban.

    “I think all elections are important,” she said. “But this one, I think, could be country-changing if the Republicans get into office.”

    The intensity of the moment is evident among voters across the political spectrum, many of whom said they are voting against the other side, not for their chosen candidate.

    A majority of voters said they wanted “major changes” to the country’s political system — a warning sign for Biden, who 73% of voters said wouldn’t change much.

    But to the extent that voters wanted change, that impulse might be rooted in a kind of nostalgia for less divided political times. A majority of voters also said they wanted a candidate who would “bring things back to normal” in Washington. Biden campaigned on a similar message of normalcy and calm in 2020, but will have a harder time claiming he represents change now.

    Biden has an edge in the Philly suburbs — but there are warning signs there, too

    As has historically been the case, Trump’s support in the central part of the state and among non-college-educated voters remains robust.

    Biden leads in Philadelphia, its suburbs, and Allegheny County, which includes Pittsburgh. Trump leads everywhere except the Northeast and Lehigh Valley regions, where it’s a tie.

    Drill down further into the Philadelphia collar counties, typically a Democratic bastion, and although Biden has a clear edge, his job approval numbers remain low. Fifty-five percent of suburban voters disapprove of Biden’s job performance, compared with 42% who approve.

    Suburban voters are evenly divided between Biden and Trump on such issues as the economy and crime. And despite the suburbs’ commitment to voting for him, Biden’s overall favorability isn’t much higher there than it is statewide.

    Whether that impacts Biden in the critical region is unclear. Typically low favorability can indicate less stable support but plenty of voters found Biden unfavorable in 2020 and voted for him anyway.

    Benjamin Duerr, a 29-year-old electrician and registered Democrat from Upper Darby, said he’s disillusioned with politics. He doesn’t think either party stands up for working people. But he plans to vote for Biden.

    “I just feel like Biden’s pretty incompetent,” Duerr said. “But he won’t f— up things too much, you know?”

    Someone tell these dopes that Trump killed a border bill so he could make it a campaign issue.  Also think the Israeli-Palestine US political issue will die down by November.   Hammer the GOP about abortion and get the young folks to vote and Biden should be ok.  Wonder how all those Haley primary voters will vote. If Trump loses a decent percentage of those that will hurt him bigly.   Still early though so lots can change with such older candidates. It's going to be tight in PA regardless. 
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    joseph33joseph33 Washington DC Posts: 1,225
    pjhawks said:


    https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/trump-biden-pennsylvania-issues-poll-20240513.html

    Biden is struggling in Pa. — even with his base— as voters prefer Trump on major issues. Here are takeaways from a new Inquirer/NYT/Siena poll.

    President Joe Biden is polling at just 36% in Pennsylvania when third-party candidates are counted, despite numerous visits to the state. Former President Donald Trump isn’t doing much better, but he leads Biden on the economy and other issues.

    President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump are locked in a tight race a new poll from The New York Times Philadelphia Inquirer and Siena College shows
    President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump are locked in a tight race, a new poll from The New York Times, Philadelphia Inquirer, and Siena College shows.Steve Madden
      by Julia Terruso and Aseem ShuklaPublished May 13, 2024, 3:00 a.m. ET

    After months of return visits to Pennsylvania and millions of dollars poured into political advertisements, President Joe Biden hasn’t gained ground in the critical swing state.

    Instead, he’s in a dead heat with former President Donald Trump.

    Trump leads Biden 47% to 44% with registered voters in a two-way race, according to a new Philadelphia Inquirer/New York Times/Siena College poll. That’s within the survey’s margin of error, and when third-party candidates are included, the gap is similar — but Biden doesn’t even hit 40%.

    The poll of 1,023 registered voters was conducted April 28 to May 7. The survey has a margin of error of +/-3.6 percentage points.

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    The tightness of the race appears to stem in part from an erosion of Biden’s support among key Democratic constituencies, with the poll showing frustration with the president on key issues that could impact the strength of his backing even in the reliably blue Philadelphia suburbs.

    Pennsylvania voters said they are down on the economy and eager for changes in the political system. With two repeat candidates on the ballot, they are narrowly split with six months until the presidential election.

    Biden appears to similarly be in trouble in other swing states, with Trump also leading in Michigan, Nevada, Arizona, and Georgia, according to the Times polls, and the candidates are tied in Wisconsin. All are critical battlegrounds that Biden won in 2020, and he will need to notch victories in several of them to have any hope of victory this fall.

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    Pennsylvania could determine who wins the White House and Biden has crisscrossed the state, making trips to Scranton, Pittsburgh, and Philadelphia and its suburbs all within the last three months. Still, voters spanning the state — and across the age spectrum — have deeply negative impressions of his job performance and ability to lead on issues such as the economy.

    Trump is also viewed unfavorably but leads Biden on nearly every issue polled, except abortion, on which Trump trails by double digits. The former president has managed to run even with Biden despite spending far less time on the campaign trail and a split screen of Biden in the Oval Office while Trump sits on trial for alleged hush money payments to a porn star, with more criminal cases pending.

    The political impact of a potential conviction of the former president, which would be unprecedented, remains unknown at this point. Trump remains ahead with voters on the issue of crime — even as he stands trial.

    Biden is losing support with young and non-white voters

    Biden’s support among young people in the state has waned since 2020.

    The same is true of non-white voters, including those who identify as Black and Hispanic/Latino, two groups that were instrumental to Biden’s 2020 win. A drop in support from these traditionally Democratic constituencies could imperil Biden’s chances in Pennsylvania and elsewhere.

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    Giorgio Vavlas, a 24-year-old voter from Pittston, Luzerne County, who was polled, backed Biden in 2020 but has felt the financial pressures of post-graduate life and doesn’t see himself supporting the president in November.

    “Things are more expensive. Gas, groceries, rent, all those types of things,” said Vavlas, who works in tech sales. “... I don’t think he’s been necessarily the best as president. And then the other thing is when you see him on TV, he doesn’t always seem the most competent.”

    The issue of age and mental competency has become a major topic in the campaign. Biden, 81, and Trump, 77, are the two oldest major party nominees for president.

    Young voters, such as Vavlas, are roughly evenly split between Biden and Trump in the May poll. That finding has a wide margin of error but still represents a huge change from 2020, when a NYT/Siena poll found Biden winning young people in the state by as many as 30 points.

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    Biden’s approval rating is lower among the state’s youngest voters than it is statewide. Young voters’ perceptions of the economy are also worse, and they trust Biden less than Trump with his handling of the war in Gaza.

    Young voters turned out in record numbers in 2020 but a drop in their support remains an issue for him. In Pennsylvania’s April primary, a large number of Democrats cast write-in votes for president, many protesting his handling of the Middle East conflict.

    Non-white voters, which encompasses Asian, American Indian, Alaska Native, Middle Eastern or North African, Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander voters as well as Black and Hispanic/Latino voters, also signaled less support for Biden than seen in 2020.

    When asked to choose just one of the two major candidates, a majority picked Biden, while only about a quarter picked Trump. But that margin is less overwhelming than it was in 2020, when polls found Biden winning 70% of non-white voters.

    Benjamin Duerr a Democrat from Upper Darby voted for President Joe Biden in 2020 He said hes disillusioned with politics but will back Biden again this year
    Benjamin Duerr, a Democrat from Upper Darby, voted for President Joe Biden in 2020. He said he's disillusioned with politics, but will back Biden again this year.Steven M. Falk / Staff Photographer

    John Robinson, 24, of Pittsburgh, backs Biden reluctantly. He’s concerned about Biden’s age and Robinson, who is Black, said he doesn’t think Biden has always been a good advocate for racial equality.

    “I don’t think he’s fully capable,” said Robinson, a middle school teacher. “… he’s too old to do the job.”

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    Still, Robinson doesn’t consider Trump an option.

    “I think the guy’s a villain,” he said. “And I won’t be part of him advancing in any way.”

    It’s unclear whether declining support for Biden among non-white voters in Pennsylvania actually translates to more support for Trump. As many as one-fifth of non-white voters refused to commit to any candidate. Either way, even a slight erosion of Democratic support among Black and Latino voters could make a difference in the state.

    Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is favored by 10% of Pa. voters

    Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the environmental lawyer and past anti-vaccine activist running as an independent, has support from about 10% of voters in Pennsylvania, on par with his margin in other states.

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    And 9% of Pennsylvania voters said they did not know who they would support.

    Valvas, the voter from Pittston, said he’s leaning toward Kennedy largely because he wants to see a change.

    “I think somebody new in there, whether it’s fresh ideas, a new voice, is kind of what’s needed,” he said.

    Most Kennedy supporters in Pennsylvania say they are voting for him in opposition to their other choices and the majority say they are not open to changing their vote to Trump or Biden. If forced to choose between major candidates, they would divide their vote evenly, so it’s unclear who Kennedy is pulling more voters from.

    Trump supporters are happier with their options in the presidential election than Biden supporters by a margin of 69% to 55%.

    » READ MORE: There’s only one key issue where Pa. voters trust Joe Biden over Donald Trump: Abortion

    Trump leads on the issues in Pennsylvania — except abortion

    Voters across the state are pessimistic about the economy and favor Trump — by 12 points over Biden — to fix it.

    “I know how he will handle the economy and we’ll get cheap gas again and all the prices will drop,” said Matthew Innis, a registered Republican from Drexel Hill.

    Innis, 55, an auto mechanic, said gas and grocery prices have been a drag on his wallet. “They used to cost $200 a week to feed my family,” he said. “Now it’s $350.” He thinks Trump’s policies would lead to a drop in retail prices and make it cheaper to move products.

    Matthew Innis a Trump supporter shown at his home in Drexel Hill on  Thursday May 9 2024 He cited gas prices as one reason he supports the former president
    Matthew Innis, a Trump supporter, shown at his home in Drexel Hill on Thursday, May 9, 2024. He cited gas prices as one reason he supports the former president.Jessica Griffin / Staff Photographer

    Voters also trust Trump more on crime by 9 points. He also has a lead within the margin of error on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

    Joseph Ferraro, a 55-year-old Trump supporter from Union City, Erie County, blames lax enforcement at the border on the fentanyl crisis. His son died of a fentanyl overdose.

    “I want the border closed. I want it shut down,” Ferraro said. “I want the illegals out of this country.”

    Overall, the economy, abortion, and immigration were the top three issues that voters said would decide their vote in November.

    On abortion, Biden continues to lead Trump by double digits. Legal abortions are widely supported statewide, even in geographic regions that are strongly pro-Trump.

    Janet Buskirk, 75, a retired teacher from Wyomissing, Berks County, said women’s reproductive rights are top of mind as she looks to reelect Biden.

    “I worry that it’s going to be a complete ban on abortion,” she said. Buskirk’s daughter had to undergo a procedure when she lost a baby during pregnancy. Buskirk said she fears her daughter may not have lived if that happened in a state with a strict abortion ban.

    “I think all elections are important,” she said. “But this one, I think, could be country-changing if the Republicans get into office.”

    The intensity of the moment is evident among voters across the political spectrum, many of whom said they are voting against the other side, not for their chosen candidate.

    A majority of voters said they wanted “major changes” to the country’s political system — a warning sign for Biden, who 73% of voters said wouldn’t change much.

    But to the extent that voters wanted change, that impulse might be rooted in a kind of nostalgia for less divided political times. A majority of voters also said they wanted a candidate who would “bring things back to normal” in Washington. Biden campaigned on a similar message of normalcy and calm in 2020, but will have a harder time claiming he represents change now.

    Biden has an edge in the Philly suburbs — but there are warning signs there, too

    As has historically been the case, Trump’s support in the central part of the state and among non-college-educated voters remains robust.

    Biden leads in Philadelphia, its suburbs, and Allegheny County, which includes Pittsburgh. Trump leads everywhere except the Northeast and Lehigh Valley regions, where it’s a tie.

    Drill down further into the Philadelphia collar counties, typically a Democratic bastion, and although Biden has a clear edge, his job approval numbers remain low. Fifty-five percent of suburban voters disapprove of Biden’s job performance, compared with 42% who approve.

    Suburban voters are evenly divided between Biden and Trump on such issues as the economy and crime. And despite the suburbs’ commitment to voting for him, Biden’s overall favorability isn’t much higher there than it is statewide.

    Whether that impacts Biden in the critical region is unclear. Typically low favorability can indicate less stable support but plenty of voters found Biden unfavorable in 2020 and voted for him anyway.

    Benjamin Duerr, a 29-year-old electrician and registered Democrat from Upper Darby, said he’s disillusioned with politics. He doesn’t think either party stands up for working people. But he plans to vote for Biden.

    “I just feel like Biden’s pretty incompetent,” Duerr said. “But he won’t f— up things too much, you know?”

    Someone tell these dopes that Trump killed a border bill so he could make it a campaign issue.  Also think the Israeli-Palestine US political issue will die down by November.   Hammer the GOP about abortion and get the young folks to vote and Biden should be ok.  Wonder how all those Haley primary voters will vote. If Trump loses a decent percentage of those that will hurt him bigly.   Still early though so lots can change with such older candidates. It's going to be tight in PA regardless.  Biden could be in a coma,and you'd still vote for him.🤣🤣🤣
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    she continues to pull 20% in the primaries
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    A group of Nikki Haley supporters from Vermont to Arizona met with President Joe Biden’s campaign on Wednesday night almost immediately after she announced her plan to vote for Donald Trump, The Daily Beast has learned.

    In the previously unreported meeting, a Biden campaign representative listened to the concerns of top Haley supporters from various states as part of Bidenworld’s ongoing outreach to win over Haley voters.



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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,271
    mickeyrat said:

    A group of Nikki Haley supporters from Vermont to Arizona met with President Joe Biden’s campaign on Wednesday night almost immediately after she announced her plan to vote for Donald Trump, The Daily Beast has learned.

    In the previously unreported meeting, a Biden campaign representative listened to the concerns of top Haley supporters from various states as part of Bidenworld’s ongoing outreach to win over Haley voters.



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    those people are probably now going to be biden voters. bad news for trump.
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    sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 1,539

    Biden mocked for 'disturbing' smile after ignoring question about Trump being 'political prisoner'

    Critics blast Biden for apparent glee over Trump verdict: 'Not even trying to hide it anymore'

    Published May 31, 2024 3:24pm EDT

    President Biden took heat on Friday for his strange response to a question about his political rival's historic criminal conviction following remarks from the White House, flashing what some called an "evil" grin. 

    Biden said Friday after former President Donald Trump was found guilty in his New York criminal trial that "he'll be given the opportunity, as he should, to appeal that decision, just like everyone else has that opportunity." The president added that it was "reckless, it's dangerous, it's irresponsible for anyone to say this was rigged just because they don't like the verdict."

    As Biden walked away from the podium, a reporter shouted out a question: "Donald Trump refers to himself as a political prisoner and blames you directly. What's your response to that, sir?"

    The president paused, turned to the reporters and flashed what some called a "disturbing" smile for almost 10 seconds before walking away, not offering a verbal response. 

    "Do you think a conviction will have an impact on the campaign?" the reporter pressed, without a response from the president. 

    Sage Steele, a former ESPN reporter, reacted to the video on X, saying, "Honestly, I rarely use the word evil to describe another human being but….."

    Amber Duke, an editor for The Spectator, posted similarly on X, "The President of the United States' disturbing reaction to being asked if Trump is a political prisoner and if he is responsible for Trump's criminal conviction." 

    Jason Miller, a senior Trump campaign official commented on the site, "where was the senile fool shuffling off to???"

    Karoline Leavitt, spokesperson for the Trump campaign commented, "Evil." A Republican National Committee X account posted, "Pure Evil." 

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    shecky said:

    Biden mocked for 'disturbing' smile after ignoring question about Trump being 'political prisoner'

    Critics blast Biden for apparent glee over Trump verdict: 'Not even trying to hide it anymore'

    Published May 31, 2024 3:24pm EDT

    President Biden took heat on Friday for his strange response to a question about his political rival's historic criminal conviction following remarks from the White House, flashing what some called an "evil" grin. 

    Biden said Friday after former President Donald Trump was found guilty in his New York criminal trial that "he'll be given the opportunity, as he should, to appeal that decision, just like everyone else has that opportunity." The president added that it was "reckless, it's dangerous, it's irresponsible for anyone to say this was rigged just because they don't like the verdict."

    As Biden walked away from the podium, a reporter shouted out a question: "Donald Trump refers to himself as a political prisoner and blames you directly. What's your response to that, sir?"

    The president paused, turned to the reporters and flashed what some called a "disturbing" smile for almost 10 seconds before walking away, not offering a verbal response. 

    "Do you think a conviction will have an impact on the campaign?" the reporter pressed, without a response from the president. 

    Sage Steele, a former ESPN reporter, reacted to the video on X, saying, "Honestly, I rarely use the word evil to describe another human being but….."

    Amber Duke, an editor for The Spectator, posted similarly on X, "The President of the United States' disturbing reaction to being asked if Trump is a political prisoner and if he is responsible for Trump's criminal conviction." 

    Jason Miller, a senior Trump campaign official commented on the site, "where was the senile fool shuffling off to???"

    Karoline Leavitt, spokesperson for the Trump campaign commented, "Evil." A Republican National Committee X account posted, "Pure Evil." 

    If we can’t impeach someone for their smile or grin, then we’ve LOSt our Country!
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    shecky said:

    Biden mocked for 'disturbing' smile after ignoring question about Trump being 'political prisoner'

    Critics blast Biden for apparent glee over Trump verdict: 'Not even trying to hide it anymore'

    Published May 31, 2024 3:24pm EDT

    President Biden took heat on Friday for his strange response to a question about his political rival's historic criminal conviction following remarks from the White House, flashing what some called an "evil" grin. 

    Biden said Friday after former President Donald Trump was found guilty in his New York criminal trial that "he'll be given the opportunity, as he should, to appeal that decision, just like everyone else has that opportunity." The president added that it was "reckless, it's dangerous, it's irresponsible for anyone to say this was rigged just because they don't like the verdict."

    As Biden walked away from the podium, a reporter shouted out a question: "Donald Trump refers to himself as a political prisoner and blames you directly. What's your response to that, sir?"

    The president paused, turned to the reporters and flashed what some called a "disturbing" smile for almost 10 seconds before walking away, not offering a verbal response. 

    "Do you think a conviction will have an impact on the campaign?" the reporter pressed, without a response from the president. 

    Sage Steele, a former ESPN reporter, reacted to the video on X, saying, "Honestly, I rarely use the word evil to describe another human being but….."

    Amber Duke, an editor for The Spectator, posted similarly on X, "The President of the United States' disturbing reaction to being asked if Trump is a political prisoner and if he is responsible for Trump's criminal conviction." 

    Jason Miller, a senior Trump campaign official commented on the site, "where was the senile fool shuffling off to???"

    Karoline Leavitt, spokesperson for the Trump campaign commented, "Evil." A Republican National Committee X account posted, "Pure Evil." 


    More desperation here on the part of Fox.  You're only revealing the despair and weakness of the MAGA Republicans by posting stuff like this. 
    Please, continue!
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,271
    shecky said:

    Biden mocked for 'disturbing' smile after ignoring question about Trump being 'political prisoner'

    Critics blast Biden for apparent glee over Trump verdict: 'Not even trying to hide it anymore'

    Published May 31, 2024 3:24pm EDT

    President Biden took heat on Friday for his strange response to a question about his political rival's historic criminal conviction following remarks from the White House, flashing what some called an "evil" grin. 

    Biden said Friday after former President Donald Trump was found guilty in his New York criminal trial that "he'll be given the opportunity, as he should, to appeal that decision, just like everyone else has that opportunity." The president added that it was "reckless, it's dangerous, it's irresponsible for anyone to say this was rigged just because they don't like the verdict."

    As Biden walked away from the podium, a reporter shouted out a question: "Donald Trump refers to himself as a political prisoner and blames you directly. What's your response to that, sir?"

    The president paused, turned to the reporters and flashed what some called a "disturbing" smile for almost 10 seconds before walking away, not offering a verbal response. 

    "Do you think a conviction will have an impact on the campaign?" the reporter pressed, without a response from the president. 

    Sage Steele, a former ESPN reporter, reacted to the video on X, saying, "Honestly, I rarely use the word evil to describe another human being but….."

    Amber Duke, an editor for The Spectator, posted similarly on X, "The President of the United States' disturbing reaction to being asked if Trump is a political prisoner and if he is responsible for Trump's criminal conviction." 

    Jason Miller, a senior Trump campaign official commented on the site, "where was the senile fool shuffling off to???"

    Karoline Leavitt, spokesperson for the Trump campaign commented, "Evil." A Republican National Committee X account posted, "Pure Evil." 

    oh no he smiled and didn't reply!!!!!!!!!!!!

    so this is it? this is what yall are going with for the next 2 or 3 days?

    lmao
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,271
    also:


    "EVERYTHING I DON'T LIKE IS SOROS BACKED!!!!"


    these cicadas are soros backed. thanks soros...

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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,271
    when i was growing up my favorite baseball player was mark mcgwire. he hit 49 home runs as a rookie and then in 1998 he hit 70. then a few years later he was credibly accused of using peds. once i saw evidence i was like "fuck that guy" and never supported or defended him again. i also liked lance armstrong until the ped accusations. then i was like "fuck that guy too".

    trump was arrested, tried, and convicted in a court of law on 34 felonies. his supporters are tripling down on supporting him and threatening violence and retribution. clearly, we are not the same.
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    when i was growing up my favorite baseball player was mark mcgwire. he hit 49 home runs as a rookie and then in 1998 he hit 70. then a few years later he was credibly accused of using peds. once i saw evidence i was like "fuck that guy" and never supported or defended him again. i also liked lance armstrong until the ped accusations. then i was like "fuck that guy too".

    trump was arrested, tried, and convicted in a court of law on 34 felonies. his supporters are tripling down on supporting him and threatening violence and retribution. clearly, we are not the same.
    You weren’t in a sports cult. You also have a functioning prefrontal cortex. 

    They can’t even spell prefrontal cortex. 
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    sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 1,539

    Trump conviction will kick off 'war of weaponization' of US justice system, warns Alan Dershowitz

    The former president was found guilty on all 34 charges in NY criminal trial

    By Madeline Coggins FOXBusiness
    Harvard Law professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz said Friday that a Manhattan jury "failed" after the conviction of former President Trump on 34 charges of falsifying business records.

    "My big disappointment is with the jury. Juries are supposed to be a check and balance on the excesses of prosecutors and judges. This jury failed its role of checking and balancing these excesses," Dershowitz said Friday on "Mornings with Maria." 

    A New York jury found former Trump guilty of 34 felony counts of falsifying business brought against him by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg in a historic trial. Trump is now the first U.S. president to be convicted of a crime, and reactions are pouring in.

    Dershowitz labeled the decision the "beginning of a war of weaponization of the criminal justice system." He also heavily scrutinized the 12-person jury, noting many were likely non-Trump voters.

    "They were hand-picked by the judge and by the prosecutor to be anti-Trump. These were ‘get Trump’ jurors," he explained. 

    "These were jurors who voted between 85% and 90% not to allow Trump to be president, and they will do anything to prevent him from being president. And so their vote was the second vote on November against him being president. It wasn't a vote on the facts of the law of the case."

    Prosecutors needed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump falsified those records to conceal a $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels, a pornographic performer, in the lead-up to the 2016 election to silence her about an alleged affair with Trump in 2006.

    During the final stages of the trial on Tuesday, Prosecutor Joshua Steinglass delivered his closing argument for more than five hours, saying the prosecution has presented "powerful" evidence in their case against Trump. 

    Steinglass said Trump’s intent to defraud "could not be any clearer," arguing that it would have been far easier for him to pay Daniels directly. Instead, the prosecutor said, he concocted an elaborate scheme and everything he and his cohorts did was "cloaked in lies."

    Dershowitz joined a host of other legal scholars in criticizing the evidence brought forth against Trump and the law pertaining to the charges.

    "The facts of the law of the case here are an absolute joke," he reasoned. "This was essentially a directed verdict of guilt by the judge, by giving them the multiple-choice defense."

    "As soon as Bragg indicted, we knew there was going to be a conviction. It was a foregone conclusion. So yesterday's result is not news. It was just the end result of a completely predictable injustice that was engineered from the very beginning by a politician who had campaigned on the promise to get Trump."

    With the trial taking place in a deep-blue city and state, Dershowitz also noted the jury may have been influenced by outside social and political pressures. 

    "Every judge understands that if you're perceived as doing anything in favor of Trump, in a city like New York, particularly in Manhattan, your life is over. And every juror understood that. Every judge understood that," he told host Maria Bartiromo. 

    Each of the 34 counts carries a maximum prison sentence of four years. In total, Trump faces a maximum sentence of 136 years. It is expected that former President Trump will appeal the ruling, but Dershowitz fears "the appellate judges will fall into the same 'get Trump' trap and we'll see no checks and balance on our system of rule of law."

    The former president's sentencing is scheduled for July 11, just four days before the start of the Republican National Convention, where he is expected to be formally nominated as the 2024 Republican presidential nominee.

    "This is so dangerous to all Americans. Today it's get Trump. Tomorrow, it's get you. Tomorrow, it's get me. Tomorrow, it's get your loved one," he said.

    "The American system has been weaponized against political enemies, and that is a great loss for all Americans."

    Fox News' Brooke Singman contributed to this report.

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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,968
    shecky said:

    Trump conviction will kick off 'war of weaponization' of US justice system, warns Alan Dershowitz

    The former president was found guilty on all 34 charges in NY criminal trial

    By Madeline Coggins FOXBusiness
    Harvard Law professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz said Friday that a Manhattan jury "failed" after the conviction of former President Trump on 34 charges of falsifying business records.

    "My big disappointment is with the jury. Juries are supposed to be a check and balance on the excesses of prosecutors and judges. This jury failed its role of checking and balancing these excesses," Dershowitz said Friday on "Mornings with Maria." 

    A New York jury found former Trump guilty of 34 felony counts of falsifying business brought against him by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg in a historic trial. Trump is now the first U.S. president to be convicted of a crime, and reactions are pouring in.

    Dershowitz labeled the decision the "beginning of a war of weaponization of the criminal justice system." He also heavily scrutinized the 12-person jury, noting many were likely non-Trump voters.

    "They were hand-picked by the judge and by the prosecutor to be anti-Trump. These were ‘get Trump’ jurors," he explained. 

    "These were jurors who voted between 85% and 90% not to allow Trump to be president, and they will do anything to prevent him from being president. And so their vote was the second vote on November against him being president. It wasn't a vote on the facts of the law of the case."

    Prosecutors needed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump falsified those records to conceal a $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels, a pornographic performer, in the lead-up to the 2016 election to silence her about an alleged affair with Trump in 2006.

    During the final stages of the trial on Tuesday, Prosecutor Joshua Steinglass delivered his closing argument for more than five hours, saying the prosecution has presented "powerful" evidence in their case against Trump. 

    Steinglass said Trump’s intent to defraud "could not be any clearer," arguing that it would have been far easier for him to pay Daniels directly. Instead, the prosecutor said, he concocted an elaborate scheme and everything he and his cohorts did was "cloaked in lies."

    Dershowitz joined a host of other legal scholars in criticizing the evidence brought forth against Trump and the law pertaining to the charges.

    "The facts of the law of the case here are an absolute joke," he reasoned. "This was essentially a directed verdict of guilt by the judge, by giving them the multiple-choice defense."

    "As soon as Bragg indicted, we knew there was going to be a conviction. It was a foregone conclusion. So yesterday's result is not news. It was just the end result of a completely predictable injustice that was engineered from the very beginning by a politician who had campaigned on the promise to get Trump."

    With the trial taking place in a deep-blue city and state, Dershowitz also noted the jury may have been influenced by outside social and political pressures. 

    "Every judge understands that if you're perceived as doing anything in favor of Trump, in a city like New York, particularly in Manhattan, your life is over. And every juror understood that. Every judge understood that," he told host Maria Bartiromo. 

    Each of the 34 counts carries a maximum prison sentence of four years. In total, Trump faces a maximum sentence of 136 years. It is expected that former President Trump will appeal the ruling, but Dershowitz fears "the appellate judges will fall into the same 'get Trump' trap and we'll see no checks and balance on our system of rule of law."

    The former president's sentencing is scheduled for July 11, just four days before the start of the Republican National Convention, where he is expected to be formally nominated as the 2024 Republican presidential nominee.

    "This is so dangerous to all Americans. Today it's get Trump. Tomorrow, it's get you. Tomorrow, it's get me. Tomorrow, it's get your loved one," he said.

    "The American system has been weaponized against political enemies, and that is a great loss for all Americans."

    Fox News' Brooke Singman contributed to this report.

    OJ didn’t do it.

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    Jeez Al, define “the ‘Murican system,” will you please? The Nantucket, or is it Martha’s Vineyard, summer social season got you down? Fucking clown.
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    Biden urges respect for legal system after Trump conviction while publicly flouting SCOTUS rulings

    Biden has said the Supreme Court could not 'stop' him from canceling student debt, and insisted justices made a 'mistake' in overturning Roe v. Wade

    Published June 1, 2024 12:25pm EDT

    President Biden said on Friday that the justice system "should be respected" and that it was "reckless" for former President Donald Trump to claim that the verdict in his New York trial was "rigged," just days after he told his supporters the Supreme Court could not "stop" him from carrying out his agenda.

    "It's reckless, it's dangerous, it's irresponsible for anyone to say this was rigged just because they don't like the verdict," Biden said in response to the former president's remarks about the NY v. Trump verdict, which found Trump guilty Thursday on all 34 counts of falsifying business records related to the hush money payment to adult film actress Stormy Daniels in the lead up to the 2016 presidential election.

    "Our justice system has endured for nearly 250 years, and it literally is the cornerstone of America. Our justice system, that justice should be respected. And we should never allow anyone to tear it down. It's as simple as that," Biden added.

    Biden's remarks came just two days after he bragged to his supporters at a rally in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, that the Supreme Court ruling his student debt relief plan was unconstitutional did not "stop" him from canceling student loans.

    "The Supreme Court blocked me from relieving student debt, but they didn’t stop me," Biden said Wednesday from Girard College.

    Biden, like several other Democrat and Republican presidents throughout history, has taken aim at the Supreme Court for a number of rulings they have made during his tenure in the White House.

    During his State of the Union address in March, Biden took direct aim at the justices and insisted they had underestimated the "electoral and political power" of women in their decision to overturn Roe v. Wade. During an interview with MSNBC about his remarks directed at the justices, Biden said, "Look, I think they made a wrong decision, think they read the Constitution wrong, I think they made a mistake."

    Biden made similar comments on how the high court's ruling "didn't stop" him from canceling student loans in February while speaking at the Julian Dixon Library in Culver City, California.

    "Early in my term, I announced a major plan to provide millions of working families with debt relief for their college student debt," Biden said at the time. "Tens of millions of people in debt were literally about to be canceled in debts. But my MAGA Republican friends in the Congress, elected officials and special interests stepped in and sued us. And the Supreme Court blocked it. But that didn’t stop me."

    Last June, the Supreme Court ruled in a 6-3 decision that federal law does not allow Biden's Secretary of Education to cancel more than $430 billion in student loan debt. Biden promised at the time that his administration would continue to push for his student debt relief plan.

    Shortly after the court's ruling, Biden said: "I think the court misinterpreted the Constitution."

    Earlier this year, Biden announced the Savings on Valuable Education (SAVE) plan that cancels debt for enrolled borrowers who have been in repayment for at least 10 years and hold $12,000 or less in student loan debt. Those with larger debts will receive relief after an additional year of payments for every additional $1,000 they borrowed.

    In a statement to Fox News Digital, Biden campaign spokesperson James Singer said: "Expressing disagreement with a Supreme Court decision – as all Presidents do – is not the same as attacking the rule of law and undermining our judicial system."

    Following the verdict in Trump's trial, Biden took to social media on Friday to claim, "No one is above the law."

    He has also used Trump's remarks to raise funds for his re-election campaign, claiming in another post on X that Trump "questioned our judicial system."

    "Donald Trump is threatening our democracy. First, he questioned our election system. Then, he questioned our judicial system," Biden wrote Friday.

    Biden said Friday that Trump, who is the first president to be convicted of a felony, will "be given the opportunity, as he should, to appeal" the conviction.

    Fox News' Lindsay Kornick contributed to this report.

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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,968
    shecky said:

    Biden urges respect for legal system after Trump conviction while publicly flouting SCOTUS rulings

    Biden has said the Supreme Court could not 'stop' him from canceling student debt, and insisted justices made a 'mistake' in overturning Roe v. Wade

    Published June 1, 2024 12:25pm EDT

    President Biden said on Friday that the justice system "should be respected" and that it was "reckless" for former President Donald Trump to claim that the verdict in his New York trial was "rigged," just days after he told his supporters the Supreme Court could not "stop" him from carrying out his agenda.

    "It's reckless, it's dangerous, it's irresponsible for anyone to say this was rigged just because they don't like the verdict," Biden said in response to the former president's remarks about the NY v. Trump verdict, which found Trump guilty Thursday on all 34 counts of falsifying business records related to the hush money payment to adult film actress Stormy Daniels in the lead up to the 2016 presidential election.

    "Our justice system has endured for nearly 250 years, and it literally is the cornerstone of America. Our justice system, that justice should be respected. And we should never allow anyone to tear it down. It's as simple as that," Biden added.

    Biden's remarks came just two days after he bragged to his supporters at a rally in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, that the Supreme Court ruling his student debt relief plan was unconstitutional did not "stop" him from canceling student loans.

    "The Supreme Court blocked me from relieving student debt, but they didn’t stop me," Biden said Wednesday from Girard College.

    Biden, like several other Democrat and Republican presidents throughout history, has taken aim at the Supreme Court for a number of rulings they have made during his tenure in the White House.

    During his State of the Union address in March, Biden took direct aim at the justices and insisted they had underestimated the "electoral and political power" of women in their decision to overturn Roe v. Wade. During an interview with MSNBC about his remarks directed at the justices, Biden said, "Look, I think they made a wrong decision, think they read the Constitution wrong, I think they made a mistake."

    Biden made similar comments on how the high court's ruling "didn't stop" him from canceling student loans in February while speaking at the Julian Dixon Library in Culver City, California.

    "Early in my term, I announced a major plan to provide millions of working families with debt relief for their college student debt," Biden said at the time. "Tens of millions of people in debt were literally about to be canceled in debts. But my MAGA Republican friends in the Congress, elected officials and special interests stepped in and sued us. And the Supreme Court blocked it. But that didn’t stop me."

    Last June, the Supreme Court ruled in a 6-3 decision that federal law does not allow Biden's Secretary of Education to cancel more than $430 billion in student loan debt. Biden promised at the time that his administration would continue to push for his student debt relief plan.

    Shortly after the court's ruling, Biden said: "I think the court misinterpreted the Constitution."

    Earlier this year, Biden announced the Savings on Valuable Education (SAVE) plan that cancels debt for enrolled borrowers who have been in repayment for at least 10 years and hold $12,000 or less in student loan debt. Those with larger debts will receive relief after an additional year of payments for every additional $1,000 they borrowed.

    In a statement to Fox News Digital, Biden campaign spokesperson James Singer said: "Expressing disagreement with a Supreme Court decision – as all Presidents do – is not the same as attacking the rule of law and undermining our judicial system."

    Following the verdict in Trump's trial, Biden took to social media on Friday to claim, "No one is above the law."

    He has also used Trump's remarks to raise funds for his re-election campaign, claiming in another post on X that Trump "questioned our judicial system."

    "Donald Trump is threatening our democracy. First, he questioned our election system. Then, he questioned our judicial system," Biden wrote Friday.

    Biden said Friday that Trump, who is the first president to be convicted of a felony, will "be given the opportunity, as he should, to appeal" the conviction.

    Fox News' Lindsay Kornick contributed to this report.

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    shecky said:

    Biden urges respect for legal system after Trump conviction while publicly flouting SCOTUS rulings

    Biden has said the Supreme Court could not 'stop' him from canceling student debt, and insisted justices made a 'mistake' in overturning Roe v. Wade

    Published June 1, 2024 12:25pm EDT

    President Biden said on Friday that the justice system "should be respected" and that it was "reckless" for former President Donald Trump to claim that the verdict in his New York trial was "rigged," just days after he told his supporters the Supreme Court could not "stop" him from carrying out his agenda.

    "It's reckless, it's dangerous, it's irresponsible for anyone to say this was rigged just because they don't like the verdict," Biden said in response to the former president's remarks about the NY v. Trump verdict, which found Trump guilty Thursday on all 34 counts of falsifying business records related to the hush money payment to adult film actress Stormy Daniels in the lead up to the 2016 presidential election.

    "Our justice system has endured for nearly 250 years, and it literally is the cornerstone of America. Our justice system, that justice should be respected. And we should never allow anyone to tear it down. It's as simple as that," Biden added.

    Biden's remarks came just two days after he bragged to his supporters at a rally in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, that the Supreme Court ruling his student debt relief plan was unconstitutional did not "stop" him from canceling student loans.

    "The Supreme Court blocked me from relieving student debt, but they didn’t stop me," Biden said Wednesday from Girard College.

    Biden, like several other Democrat and Republican presidents throughout history, has taken aim at the Supreme Court for a number of rulings they have made during his tenure in the White House.

    During his State of the Union address in March, Biden took direct aim at the justices and insisted they had underestimated the "electoral and political power" of women in their decision to overturn Roe v. Wade. During an interview with MSNBC about his remarks directed at the justices, Biden said, "Look, I think they made a wrong decision, think they read the Constitution wrong, I think they made a mistake."

    Biden made similar comments on how the high court's ruling "didn't stop" him from canceling student loans in February while speaking at the Julian Dixon Library in Culver City, California.

    "Early in my term, I announced a major plan to provide millions of working families with debt relief for their college student debt," Biden said at the time. "Tens of millions of people in debt were literally about to be canceled in debts. But my MAGA Republican friends in the Congress, elected officials and special interests stepped in and sued us. And the Supreme Court blocked it. But that didn’t stop me."

    Last June, the Supreme Court ruled in a 6-3 decision that federal law does not allow Biden's Secretary of Education to cancel more than $430 billion in student loan debt. Biden promised at the time that his administration would continue to push for his student debt relief plan.

    Shortly after the court's ruling, Biden said: "I think the court misinterpreted the Constitution."

    Earlier this year, Biden announced the Savings on Valuable Education (SAVE) plan that cancels debt for enrolled borrowers who have been in repayment for at least 10 years and hold $12,000 or less in student loan debt. Those with larger debts will receive relief after an additional year of payments for every additional $1,000 they borrowed.

    In a statement to Fox News Digital, Biden campaign spokesperson James Singer said: "Expressing disagreement with a Supreme Court decision – as all Presidents do – is not the same as attacking the rule of law and undermining our judicial system."

    Following the verdict in Trump's trial, Biden took to social media on Friday to claim, "No one is above the law."

    He has also used Trump's remarks to raise funds for his re-election campaign, claiming in another post on X that Trump "questioned our judicial system."

    "Donald Trump is threatening our democracy. First, he questioned our election system. Then, he questioned our judicial system," Biden wrote Friday.

    Biden said Friday that Trump, who is the first president to be convicted of a felony, will "be given the opportunity, as he should, to appeal" the conviction.

    Fox News' Lindsay Kornick contributed to this report.


    you know, the ruling was he couldnt cancel using the means/method before the court. hes found other mechanisms that do not warrant review
    OR the same folks who brought suit would have done so already... .
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    And yet, folks are defending POOTWH. Lining up like lemmings. I miss the professor.
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,271
    shecky said:

    Trump conviction will kick off 'war of weaponization' of US justice system, warns Alan Dershowitz

    The former president was found guilty on all 34 charges in NY criminal trial

    By Madeline Coggins FOXBusiness
    Harvard Law professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz said Friday that a Manhattan jury "failed" after the conviction of former President Trump on 34 charges of falsifying business records.

    "My big disappointment is with the jury. Juries are supposed to be a check and balance on the excesses of prosecutors and judges. This jury failed its role of checking and balancing these excesses," Dershowitz said Friday on "Mornings with Maria." 

    A New York jury found former Trump guilty of 34 felony counts of falsifying business brought against him by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg in a historic trial. Trump is now the first U.S. president to be convicted of a crime, and reactions are pouring in.

    Dershowitz labeled the decision the "beginning of a war of weaponization of the criminal justice system." He also heavily scrutinized the 12-person jury, noting many were likely non-Trump voters.

    "They were hand-picked by the judge and by the prosecutor to be anti-Trump. These were ‘get Trump’ jurors," he explained. 

    "These were jurors who voted between 85% and 90% not to allow Trump to be president, and they will do anything to prevent him from being president. And so their vote was the second vote on November against him being president. It wasn't a vote on the facts of the law of the case."

    Prosecutors needed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump falsified those records to conceal a $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels, a pornographic performer, in the lead-up to the 2016 election to silence her about an alleged affair with Trump in 2006.

    During the final stages of the trial on Tuesday, Prosecutor Joshua Steinglass delivered his closing argument for more than five hours, saying the prosecution has presented "powerful" evidence in their case against Trump. 

    Steinglass said Trump’s intent to defraud "could not be any clearer," arguing that it would have been far easier for him to pay Daniels directly. Instead, the prosecutor said, he concocted an elaborate scheme and everything he and his cohorts did was "cloaked in lies."

    Dershowitz joined a host of other legal scholars in criticizing the evidence brought forth against Trump and the law pertaining to the charges.

    "The facts of the law of the case here are an absolute joke," he reasoned. "This was essentially a directed verdict of guilt by the judge, by giving them the multiple-choice defense."

    "As soon as Bragg indicted, we knew there was going to be a conviction. It was a foregone conclusion. So yesterday's result is not news. It was just the end result of a completely predictable injustice that was engineered from the very beginning by a politician who had campaigned on the promise to get Trump."

    With the trial taking place in a deep-blue city and state, Dershowitz also noted the jury may have been influenced by outside social and political pressures. 

    "Every judge understands that if you're perceived as doing anything in favor of Trump, in a city like New York, particularly in Manhattan, your life is over. And every juror understood that. Every judge understood that," he told host Maria Bartiromo. 

    Each of the 34 counts carries a maximum prison sentence of four years. In total, Trump faces a maximum sentence of 136 years. It is expected that former President Trump will appeal the ruling, but Dershowitz fears "the appellate judges will fall into the same 'get Trump' trap and we'll see no checks and balance on our system of rule of law."

    The former president's sentencing is scheduled for July 11, just four days before the start of the Republican National Convention, where he is expected to be formally nominated as the 2024 Republican presidential nominee.

    "This is so dangerous to all Americans. Today it's get Trump. Tomorrow, it's get you. Tomorrow, it's get me. Tomorrow, it's get your loved one," he said.

    "The American system has been weaponized against political enemies, and that is a great loss for all Americans."

    Fox News' Brooke Singman contributed to this report.

    newsflash. nobody listens to dershowitz.

    There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway

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    lindamarie73lindamarie73 Posts: 349
    shecky said:

    Trump conviction will kick off 'war of weaponization' of US justice system, warns Alan Dershowitz

    The former president was found guilty on all 34 charges in NY criminal trial

    By Madeline Coggins FOXBusiness
    Harvard Law professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz said Friday that a Manhattan jury "failed" after the conviction of former President Trump on 34 charges of falsifying business records.

    "My big disappointment is with the jury. Juries are supposed to be a check and balance on the excesses of prosecutors and judges. This jury failed its role of checking and balancing these excesses," Dershowitz said Friday on "Mornings with Maria." 

    A New York jury found former Trump guilty of 34 felony counts of falsifying business brought against him by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg in a historic trial. Trump is now the first U.S. president to be convicted of a crime, and reactions are pouring in.

    Dershowitz labeled the decision the "beginning of a war of weaponization of the criminal justice system." He also heavily scrutinized the 12-person jury, noting many were likely non-Trump voters.

    "They were hand-picked by the judge and by the prosecutor to be anti-Trump. These were ‘get Trump’ jurors," he explained. 

    "These were jurors who voted between 85% and 90% not to allow Trump to be president, and they will do anything to prevent him from being president. And so their vote was the second vote on November against him being president. It wasn't a vote on the facts of the law of the case."

    Prosecutors needed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump falsified those records to conceal a $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels, a pornographic performer, in the lead-up to the 2016 election to silence her about an alleged affair with Trump in 2006.

    During the final stages of the trial on Tuesday, Prosecutor Joshua Steinglass delivered his closing argument for more than five hours, saying the prosecution has presented "powerful" evidence in their case against Trump. 

    Steinglass said Trump’s intent to defraud "could not be any clearer," arguing that it would have been far easier for him to pay Daniels directly. Instead, the prosecutor said, he concocted an elaborate scheme and everything he and his cohorts did was "cloaked in lies."

    Dershowitz joined a host of other legal scholars in criticizing the evidence brought forth against Trump and the law pertaining to the charges.

    "The facts of the law of the case here are an absolute joke," he reasoned. "This was essentially a directed verdict of guilt by the judge, by giving them the multiple-choice defense."

    "As soon as Bragg indicted, we knew there was going to be a conviction. It was a foregone conclusion. So yesterday's result is not news. It was just the end result of a completely predictable injustice that was engineered from the very beginning by a politician who had campaigned on the promise to get Trump."

    With the trial taking place in a deep-blue city and state, Dershowitz also noted the jury may have been influenced by outside social and political pressures. 

    "Every judge understands that if you're perceived as doing anything in favor of Trump, in a city like New York, particularly in Manhattan, your life is over. And every juror understood that. Every judge understood that," he told host Maria Bartiromo. 

    Each of the 34 counts carries a maximum prison sentence of four years. In total, Trump faces a maximum sentence of 136 years. It is expected that former President Trump will appeal the ruling, but Dershowitz fears "the appellate judges will fall into the same 'get Trump' trap and we'll see no checks and balance on our system of rule of law."

    The former president's sentencing is scheduled for July 11, just four days before the start of the Republican National Convention, where he is expected to be formally nominated as the 2024 Republican presidential nominee.

    "This is so dangerous to all Americans. Today it's get Trump. Tomorrow, it's get you. Tomorrow, it's get me. Tomorrow, it's get your loved one," he said.

    "The American system has been weaponized against political enemies, and that is a great loss for all Americans."

    Fox News' Brooke Singman contributed to this report.

    newsflash. nobody listens to dershowitz.

    Especially the ones who are told what to think and do….How’s your 5th booster shot treating you? 
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,271
    shecky said:

    Trump conviction will kick off 'war of weaponization' of US justice system, warns Alan Dershowitz

    The former president was found guilty on all 34 charges in NY criminal trial

    By Madeline Coggins FOXBusiness
    Harvard Law professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz said Friday that a Manhattan jury "failed" after the conviction of former President Trump on 34 charges of falsifying business records.

    "My big disappointment is with the jury. Juries are supposed to be a check and balance on the excesses of prosecutors and judges. This jury failed its role of checking and balancing these excesses," Dershowitz said Friday on "Mornings with Maria." 

    A New York jury found former Trump guilty of 34 felony counts of falsifying business brought against him by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg in a historic trial. Trump is now the first U.S. president to be convicted of a crime, and reactions are pouring in.

    Dershowitz labeled the decision the "beginning of a war of weaponization of the criminal justice system." He also heavily scrutinized the 12-person jury, noting many were likely non-Trump voters.

    "They were hand-picked by the judge and by the prosecutor to be anti-Trump. These were ‘get Trump’ jurors," he explained. 

    "These were jurors who voted between 85% and 90% not to allow Trump to be president, and they will do anything to prevent him from being president. And so their vote was the second vote on November against him being president. It wasn't a vote on the facts of the law of the case."

    Prosecutors needed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump falsified those records to conceal a $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels, a pornographic performer, in the lead-up to the 2016 election to silence her about an alleged affair with Trump in 2006.

    During the final stages of the trial on Tuesday, Prosecutor Joshua Steinglass delivered his closing argument for more than five hours, saying the prosecution has presented "powerful" evidence in their case against Trump. 

    Steinglass said Trump’s intent to defraud "could not be any clearer," arguing that it would have been far easier for him to pay Daniels directly. Instead, the prosecutor said, he concocted an elaborate scheme and everything he and his cohorts did was "cloaked in lies."

    Dershowitz joined a host of other legal scholars in criticizing the evidence brought forth against Trump and the law pertaining to the charges.

    "The facts of the law of the case here are an absolute joke," he reasoned. "This was essentially a directed verdict of guilt by the judge, by giving them the multiple-choice defense."

    "As soon as Bragg indicted, we knew there was going to be a conviction. It was a foregone conclusion. So yesterday's result is not news. It was just the end result of a completely predictable injustice that was engineered from the very beginning by a politician who had campaigned on the promise to get Trump."

    With the trial taking place in a deep-blue city and state, Dershowitz also noted the jury may have been influenced by outside social and political pressures. 

    "Every judge understands that if you're perceived as doing anything in favor of Trump, in a city like New York, particularly in Manhattan, your life is over. And every juror understood that. Every judge understood that," he told host Maria Bartiromo. 

    Each of the 34 counts carries a maximum prison sentence of four years. In total, Trump faces a maximum sentence of 136 years. It is expected that former President Trump will appeal the ruling, but Dershowitz fears "the appellate judges will fall into the same 'get Trump' trap and we'll see no checks and balance on our system of rule of law."

    The former president's sentencing is scheduled for July 11, just four days before the start of the Republican National Convention, where he is expected to be formally nominated as the 2024 Republican presidential nominee.

    "This is so dangerous to all Americans. Today it's get Trump. Tomorrow, it's get you. Tomorrow, it's get me. Tomorrow, it's get your loved one," he said.

    "The American system has been weaponized against political enemies, and that is a great loss for all Americans."

    Fox News' Brooke Singman contributed to this report.

    newsflash. nobody listens to dershowitz.

    Especially the ones who are told what to think and do….How’s your 5th booster shot treating you?  i've only had one booster and i have still never had covid. thank you for your concern.

    also keep listening to dershowitz. MaHalO!
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    sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 1,539

    Justice Department says Biden's classified docs interview transcript omitted repeat and filler words

    Even though the Justice Department stated that the transcript was altered, it still contains some repeat and filler words.

    By Madeleine Hubbard

    Published: June 2, 2024 12:18pm

    The Justice Department admitted in a federal court document that the transcript of President Joe Biden's interview with special counsel Robert Hur regarding his handling of classified documents omitted some repeated words and filler words such as "um." 

    The Justice Department has refused to turn over the audio tapes of Biden's interview to Congress, citing concerns about "deep fake" technology that could allow the audio to be altered and presented as authentic. 

    "Aside from minor inconsistencies (such as repeated words or the use of filler words such as 'um'), the audio recording of the interview accurately reflects the words spoken during the interview," the Justice Department said in a court filing Friday in response to a case filed by the conservative legal watchdog Judicial Watch, as well as the Heritage Foundation and a media coalition led by CNN.

    Even though the Justice Department states that the transcript has been altered, it still includes some repeated and filler words. For example, the transcript showed Biden said, "and, and" more than 20 times.

    "The transcript is not accurate and was changed in a way to help Biden," Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said. "There is nothing ordinary about this, and the transcript inaccuracy issues seem to help Biden’s political campaign needs." 

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    benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,002
    shecky said:

    Justice Department says Biden's classified docs interview transcript omitted repeat and filler words

    Even though the Justice Department stated that the transcript was altered, it still contains some repeat and filler words.

    By Madeleine Hubbard

    Published: June 2, 2024 12:18pm

    The Justice Department admitted in a federal court document that the transcript of President Joe Biden's interview with special counsel Robert Hur regarding his handling of classified documents omitted some repeated words and filler words such as "um." 

    The Justice Department has refused to turn over the audio tapes of Biden's interview to Congress, citing concerns about "deep fake" technology that could allow the audio to be altered and presented as authentic. 

    "Aside from minor inconsistencies (such as repeated words or the use of filler words such as 'um'), the audio recording of the interview accurately reflects the words spoken during the interview," the Justice Department said in a court filing Friday in response to a case filed by the conservative legal watchdog Judicial Watch, as well as the Heritage Foundation and a media coalition led by CNN.

    Even though the Justice Department states that the transcript has been altered, it still includes some repeated and filler words. For example, the transcript showed Biden said, "and, and" more than 20 times.

    "The transcript is not accurate and was changed in a way to help Biden," Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said. "There is nothing ordinary about this, and the transcript inaccuracy issues seem to help Biden’s political campaign needs." 

    You know, if he just had a creepy smile, that would be one thing. Having a creepy smile AND saying 'um'? Completely unpresidential.

    If only Biden was more presidential - y'know, demonstrate his family values by having an affair with a porn star, the way he's "for the people" by lowering taxes for the rich, his genuine empathy by throwing toilet paper at you if you get hit by a hurricane, and love of equality when he talks of the "shithole countries" of the world and their rapists and drug dealers. Also his humility - did you know he wipes his own ass on his gold toilet!? Unless he misses, in which case he enlists his daughter (the one he mentioned wanting to sleep with) to clean up after him. That last one is really the true sign of presidential behaviour - only the best presidents leave messes behind, blame everyone but themselves, and leave someone else to clean it up. 
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    sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 1,539

    DOJ claims it can't release Biden-Hur interview due to threat of AI deepfakes

    The DOJ admits it is already possible to fake Biden's voice with AI

    Published June 2, 2024 2:15pm EDT

    The Justice Department cannot release audio from President Biden's interview with Special Counsel Robert Hur due to the threat of potential deepfakes, the DOJ argued in a Friday court filing.

    The filing came as part of a legal challenge against Biden's efforts to exercise executive privilege over the recording to keep it from the public. The DOJ acknowledged in its Friday filing that there is already enough public audio available to create AI deepfakes of both Biden and Hur, but it said releasing the true recording would make it more difficult to disprove any false versions.

    "The passage of time and advancements in audio, artificial intelligence, and ‘deep fake’ technologies only amplify concerns about malicious manipulation of audio files. If the audio recording is released here, it is easy to foresee that it could be improperly altered, and that the altered file could be passed off as an authentic recording and widely distributed," the department wrote.

    Associate Deputy Attorney General Bradley Weinsheimer wrote in the filing that releasing the tape would "make it far more likely that malicious actors could pass off a deepfake as the authentic recording."

    Biden's administration is facing a myriad of efforts from conservative legal groups and House Republicans to force the release of the audio. The DOJ has already released a transcript of the interview, which revealed multiple embarrassing moments for the president.

    BIDEN, NOT SPECIAL COUNSEL HUR, BROUGHT UP SON'S DEATH IN QUESTIONING

    Biden met with Hur for about five hours last year, when he was grilled about his handling of the classified documents.

    Hur's report, released earlier this year, declared Biden to be a forgetful, but well-meaning elderly man. The report highlighted several instances where Biden could not recall key details about his life, including when he served as vice president and the year of his son Beau Biden's death.

    Biden was outraged at the report and subsequently got caught in a number of false statements regarding his interview. For instance, he claimed that Hur brought up the topic of Beau's death, despite the transcript showing that Biden had broached the topic.

    "President Biden is apparently afraid for the citizens of this country and everyone to hear those tapes," House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., said after Biden exerted privilege over the recording. "They obviously confirm what the special counsel has found, and would likely cause, I suppose, in his estimation, such alarm with the American people that the president is using all of his power to suppress their release."

    Some Republicans have speculated that the transcript of the interview may not line up with the audio, saying it may have been edited to prevent embarrassing Biden. Weinsheimer rejected those claims in Friday's filing, saying only minor adjustments were made to the transcript, such as removing repeated words and filler words.

    Anders Hagstrom is a reporter with Fox News Digital covering national politics and major breaking news events. Send tips to Anders.Hagstrom@Fox.com, or on Twitter: @Hagstrom_Anders.

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    sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 1,539
    "If only Biden was more presidential - y'know, demonstrate his family values by having an affair with a porn star, the way he's "for the people" by lowering taxes for the rich, his genuine empathy by throwing toilet paper at you if you get hit by a hurricane, and love of equality when he talks of the "shithole countries" of the world and their rapists and drug dealers. Also his humility - did you know he wipes his own ass on his gold toilet!? Unless he misses, in which case he enlists his daughter (the one he mentioned wanting to sleep with) to clean up after him. That last one is really the true sign of presidential behaviour - only the best presidents leave messes behind, blame everyone but themselves, and leave someone else to clean it up."

    Claim:
    A diary authored by U.S. President Joe Biden's daughter, Ashley Biden, describes showers taken with her father when she was a child as "probably not appropriate."

    Note: On April 29, 2024, Snopes changed the rating of this fact check from "Unproven" to "True" based on testimony provided by Ashley Biden. In an April 8 letter to a New York judge requesting jail time for one of the two people convicted of stealing her diary, Biden wrote "I will forever have to deal with the fact that my personal journal can be viewed online." 

    Previous versions of this fact check noted "strong evidence" that the diary existed, but argued that no source had authenticated the contents of the pages published online, writing that "the authenticity of photographs purported to be from a diary is a separate question from the factual existence of a diary."

    An often cited page from that "leaked diary," which chronicled its author's addiction recovery in intimate detail, makes reference to sexual trauma and poses questions in search of an explanation for being "hyper-sexualized @ a young age." Along with mentions of not liking to visit a certain family's house, "being sexualized" with a female friend, and "having sex with friends @ a young age," the author noted taking "showers with my dad (probably not appropriate)." 


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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,800
    What is all of this nonsense polluting the page? Did someone go crazy?
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    benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,002
    mrussel1 said:
    What is all of this nonsense polluting the page? Did someone go crazy?
    Is it called 'going crazy' if that's just the way you are? Just a hypothetical.
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