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Again focusing on the specific tripling?mace1229 said:
It doesn’t look like it disagrees with anything I said. That graph shows about a 20-25% increase in oil prices from its projected growth, not it being tripled.The Juggler said:
The Bloomberg chart above seems to disagree with your assessment. I'd wager a guess to say the Russian invasion had an affect of at least a dollar a gallon which is....pretty dramatic for most people.mace1229 said:
And that’s what I disagree with. It’s not primarily Putin.The Juggler said:
Whether it is actually tripling or doubling or whatever...the point is that it is primarily Putin's fault for the dramatic increase in oil prices this year. That is the point. Not the actual percentage.mace1229 said:
Yes. I just said you can’t blame Putin for it tripling. They had already been rising from something like a 20 year low. So Putin maybe caused a 50% increase, not a 300%.mrussel1 said:
You can absolutely blame Putin for an increase in gas prices. Oil surged immediately after the invasion. Yes, COVID had them below normal, but they exploded with the invasion. What happened in Feb was no crazy coincidence.mace1229 said:
You can’t blame Putin or Biden for all of it. They were below normal to start because of COVId. So neither one is responsible for tripling prices.mrussel1 said:
Okay if Putin didn't triple your gas prices, who did? Was it Biden? If you're arguing that people who trend GOP are stupid enough to think that some Biden policy tripled gas prices, I'll have to agree with that. But is that what you think?tempo_n_groove said:
My Point is GOP is not blaming Russia for gas prices, they blame Biden.mrussel1 said:
Of course they are aligning with Russia. But I dont' understand your point? You're saying the perfect platform for the GOP is to make the case that OPEC is aligned with Russia? Does that mean the US should align with Russia? Did I miss when gas prices became more important than fighting for freedom and self determination?tempo_n_groove said:
Biden actually said that if OPEC cuts the oil that they are aligning with Russia. So there is that. It's a perfect platform for the GOP to run with too though. Low hanging fruit.Merkin Baller said:
It’s *almost* as if OPEC & Putin & the GOP are in cahoots.
I am also pointing out the easy targets that Biden will get nailed for, his fault or not. It doesn't help when he claims gas prices are falling because of him either.
Before Covid gas was averaging close to $3. It’s peak a few months ago was $5. So it’s less than double pre-Covid prices.Yes, prices have tripled since their low 2 years ago, but that was a low brought on by Covid. The majority of the increase in the last 2 years is not because of Putin or Biden, but because life is more or less post-pandemic normal. Factor in inflation and other causes, Putin is not the reason it went up to $5. Maybe he’s responsible for that last .50 cents.
The comment I responded to originally was “if Payton didn’t triple gas prices then who did?” It has nearly tripled from the low point a year and half ago to the high a couple months ago. I just don’t see how that graph supports blaming Putin for the majority of that. Even if you’re right, and he’s responsible for closer to $1 increase than my guess of $0.50, that’s still not the majority of the more than $3 increase in gas that caused prices to triple.
Whether it is actually doubling or tripling or whatever....the point is that it is primarily Putin's fault for the dramatic increase in oil prices this year. That is the the point. Not the actual percentage. Chart shows a dramatic shift right when the invasion started. A dollar increase in such a short amount of time qualifies as a dramatic increase for most people.Post edited by The Juggler onwww.myspace.com0 -
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No one is defending Putin. Just saying there’s other reasons for gas prices. That’s hardly defending him.Halifax2TheMax said:Defending Putin on the ritz is the new thing.0 -
The specific tripling was the question that I responded to. If you have an issue with that, then respond to that question like I did.The Juggler said:
Again focusing on the specific tripling?mace1229 said:
It doesn’t look like it disagrees with anything I said. That graph shows about a 20-25% increase in oil prices from its projected growth, not it being tripled.The Juggler said:
The Bloomberg chart above seems to disagree with your assessment. I'd wager a guess to say the Russian invasion had an affect of at least a dollar a gallon which is....pretty dramatic for most people.mace1229 said:
And that’s what I disagree with. It’s not primarily Putin.The Juggler said:
Whether it is actually tripling or doubling or whatever...the point is that it is primarily Putin's fault for the dramatic increase in oil prices this year. That is the point. Not the actual percentage.mace1229 said:
Yes. I just said you can’t blame Putin for it tripling. They had already been rising from something like a 20 year low. So Putin maybe caused a 50% increase, not a 300%.mrussel1 said:
You can absolutely blame Putin for an increase in gas prices. Oil surged immediately after the invasion. Yes, COVID had them below normal, but they exploded with the invasion. What happened in Feb was no crazy coincidence.mace1229 said:
You can’t blame Putin or Biden for all of it. They were below normal to start because of COVId. So neither one is responsible for tripling prices.mrussel1 said:
Okay if Putin didn't triple your gas prices, who did? Was it Biden? If you're arguing that people who trend GOP are stupid enough to think that some Biden policy tripled gas prices, I'll have to agree with that. But is that what you think?tempo_n_groove said:
My Point is GOP is not blaming Russia for gas prices, they blame Biden.mrussel1 said:
Of course they are aligning with Russia. But I dont' understand your point? You're saying the perfect platform for the GOP is to make the case that OPEC is aligned with Russia? Does that mean the US should align with Russia? Did I miss when gas prices became more important than fighting for freedom and self determination?tempo_n_groove said:
Biden actually said that if OPEC cuts the oil that they are aligning with Russia. So there is that. It's a perfect platform for the GOP to run with too though. Low hanging fruit.Merkin Baller said:It’s *almost* as if OPEC & Putin & the GOP are in cahoots.
I am also pointing out the easy targets that Biden will get nailed for, his fault or not. It doesn't help when he claims gas prices are falling because of him either.Before Covid gas was averaging close to $3. It’s peak a few months ago was $5. So it’s less than double pre-Covid prices.Yes, prices have tripled since their low 2 years ago, but that was a low brought on by Covid. The majority of the increase in the last 2 years is not because of Putin or Biden, but because life is more or less post-pandemic normal. Factor in inflation and other causes, Putin is not the reason it went up to $5. Maybe he’s responsible for that last .50 cents.
The comment I responded to originally was “if Payton didn’t triple gas prices then who did?” It has nearly tripled from the low point a year and half ago to the high a couple months ago. I just don’t see how that graph supports blaming Putin for the majority of that. Even if you’re right, and he’s responsible for closer to $1 increase than my guess of $0.50, that’s still not the majority of the more than $3 increase in gas that caused prices to triple.
Whether it is actually doubling or tripling or whatever....the point is that it is primarily Putin's fault for the dramatic increase in oil prices this year. That is the the point. Not the actual percentage. Chart shows a dramatic shift right when the invasion started. A dollar increase in such a short amount of time qualifies as a dramatic increase for most people.
All I’m saying is the world getting back to normal after Covid played a bigger role in gas prices than Putin and his war.0 -
Focusing on the actual percentage of the increase comes across as minimizing the effect his invasion has had. Shirley you realize that.mace1229 said:
No one is defending Putin. Just saying there’s other reasons for gas prices. That’s hardly defending him.Halifax2TheMax said:Defending Putin on the ritz is the new thing.www.myspace.com0 -
Lots of repubs and Faux news are defending Putin on the ritz and it trickles out and down to the base. It becomes a topic dejour. I mean why blame Putin on the ritz when you’ve got Brandon to flip off?mace1229 said:
No one is defending Putin. Just saying there’s other reasons for gas prices. That’s hardly defending him.Halifax2TheMax said:Defending Putin on the ritz is the new thing.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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And my response to that was the actual percentage is not the point. That number came from Paul Gosar. You think people put any stock in anything he says? lolmace1229 said:
The specific tripling was the question that I responded to. If you have an issue with that, then respond to that question like I did.The Juggler said:
Again focusing on the specific tripling?mace1229 said:
It doesn’t look like it disagrees with anything I said. That graph shows about a 20-25% increase in oil prices from its projected growth, not it being tripled.The Juggler said:
The Bloomberg chart above seems to disagree with your assessment. I'd wager a guess to say the Russian invasion had an affect of at least a dollar a gallon which is....pretty dramatic for most people.mace1229 said:
And that’s what I disagree with. It’s not primarily Putin.The Juggler said:
Whether it is actually tripling or doubling or whatever...the point is that it is primarily Putin's fault for the dramatic increase in oil prices this year. That is the point. Not the actual percentage.mace1229 said:
Yes. I just said you can’t blame Putin for it tripling. They had already been rising from something like a 20 year low. So Putin maybe caused a 50% increase, not a 300%.mrussel1 said:
You can absolutely blame Putin for an increase in gas prices. Oil surged immediately after the invasion. Yes, COVID had them below normal, but they exploded with the invasion. What happened in Feb was no crazy coincidence.mace1229 said:
You can’t blame Putin or Biden for all of it. They were below normal to start because of COVId. So neither one is responsible for tripling prices.mrussel1 said:
Okay if Putin didn't triple your gas prices, who did? Was it Biden? If you're arguing that people who trend GOP are stupid enough to think that some Biden policy tripled gas prices, I'll have to agree with that. But is that what you think?tempo_n_groove said:
My Point is GOP is not blaming Russia for gas prices, they blame Biden.mrussel1 said:
Of course they are aligning with Russia. But I dont' understand your point? You're saying the perfect platform for the GOP is to make the case that OPEC is aligned with Russia? Does that mean the US should align with Russia? Did I miss when gas prices became more important than fighting for freedom and self determination?tempo_n_groove said:
Biden actually said that if OPEC cuts the oil that they are aligning with Russia. So there is that. It's a perfect platform for the GOP to run with too though. Low hanging fruit.Merkin Baller said:It’s *almost* as if OPEC & Putin & the GOP are in cahoots.
I am also pointing out the easy targets that Biden will get nailed for, his fault or not. It doesn't help when he claims gas prices are falling because of him either.Before Covid gas was averaging close to $3. It’s peak a few months ago was $5. So it’s less than double pre-Covid prices.Yes, prices have tripled since their low 2 years ago, but that was a low brought on by Covid. The majority of the increase in the last 2 years is not because of Putin or Biden, but because life is more or less post-pandemic normal. Factor in inflation and other causes, Putin is not the reason it went up to $5. Maybe he’s responsible for that last .50 cents.
The comment I responded to originally was “if Payton didn’t triple gas prices then who did?” It has nearly tripled from the low point a year and half ago to the high a couple months ago. I just don’t see how that graph supports blaming Putin for the majority of that. Even if you’re right, and he’s responsible for closer to $1 increase than my guess of $0.50, that’s still not the majority of the more than $3 increase in gas that caused prices to triple.
Whether it is actually doubling or tripling or whatever....the point is that it is primarily Putin's fault for the dramatic increase in oil prices this year. That is the the point. Not the actual percentage. Chart shows a dramatic shift right when the invasion started. A dollar increase in such a short amount of time qualifies as a dramatic increase for most people.
All I’m saying is the world getting back to normal after Covid played a bigger role in gas prices than Putin and his war.
Chart shows dramatic shift at time of invasion. Chart don't lie.www.myspace.com0 -
so you just admitted to being a troll. well done.Out of My Mind and Time said:Nobody cares.
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so you just admitted to being a troll. well done.Out of My Mind and Time said:Nobody cares.
I also don't ask the person handling my luggage at the airport their political thoughts. Because, who gives a shit.
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I find it interesting that you take Gosar's statement that gas tripled at face value while splitting hairs with us.mace1229 said:
The specific tripling was the question that I responded to. If you have an issue with that, then respond to that question like I did.The Juggler said:
Again focusing on the specific tripling?mace1229 said:
It doesn’t look like it disagrees with anything I said. That graph shows about a 20-25% increase in oil prices from its projected growth, not it being tripled.The Juggler said:
The Bloomberg chart above seems to disagree with your assessment. I'd wager a guess to say the Russian invasion had an affect of at least a dollar a gallon which is....pretty dramatic for most people.mace1229 said:
And that’s what I disagree with. It’s not primarily Putin.The Juggler said:
Whether it is actually tripling or doubling or whatever...the point is that it is primarily Putin's fault for the dramatic increase in oil prices this year. That is the point. Not the actual percentage.mace1229 said:
Yes. I just said you can’t blame Putin for it tripling. They had already been rising from something like a 20 year low. So Putin maybe caused a 50% increase, not a 300%.mrussel1 said:
You can absolutely blame Putin for an increase in gas prices. Oil surged immediately after the invasion. Yes, COVID had them below normal, but they exploded with the invasion. What happened in Feb was no crazy coincidence.mace1229 said:
You can’t blame Putin or Biden for all of it. They were below normal to start because of COVId. So neither one is responsible for tripling prices.mrussel1 said:
Okay if Putin didn't triple your gas prices, who did? Was it Biden? If you're arguing that people who trend GOP are stupid enough to think that some Biden policy tripled gas prices, I'll have to agree with that. But is that what you think?tempo_n_groove said:
My Point is GOP is not blaming Russia for gas prices, they blame Biden.mrussel1 said:
Of course they are aligning with Russia. But I dont' understand your point? You're saying the perfect platform for the GOP is to make the case that OPEC is aligned with Russia? Does that mean the US should align with Russia? Did I miss when gas prices became more important than fighting for freedom and self determination?tempo_n_groove said:
Biden actually said that if OPEC cuts the oil that they are aligning with Russia. So there is that. It's a perfect platform for the GOP to run with too though. Low hanging fruit.Merkin Baller said:It’s *almost* as if OPEC & Putin & the GOP are in cahoots.
I am also pointing out the easy targets that Biden will get nailed for, his fault or not. It doesn't help when he claims gas prices are falling because of him either.Before Covid gas was averaging close to $3. It’s peak a few months ago was $5. So it’s less than double pre-Covid prices.Yes, prices have tripled since their low 2 years ago, but that was a low brought on by Covid. The majority of the increase in the last 2 years is not because of Putin or Biden, but because life is more or less post-pandemic normal. Factor in inflation and other causes, Putin is not the reason it went up to $5. Maybe he’s responsible for that last .50 cents.
The comment I responded to originally was “if Payton didn’t triple gas prices then who did?” It has nearly tripled from the low point a year and half ago to the high a couple months ago. I just don’t see how that graph supports blaming Putin for the majority of that. Even if you’re right, and he’s responsible for closer to $1 increase than my guess of $0.50, that’s still not the majority of the more than $3 increase in gas that caused prices to triple.
Whether it is actually doubling or tripling or whatever....the point is that it is primarily Putin's fault for the dramatic increase in oil prices this year. That is the the point. Not the actual percentage. Chart shows a dramatic shift right when the invasion started. A dollar increase in such a short amount of time qualifies as a dramatic increase for most people.
All I’m saying is the world getting back to normal after Covid played a bigger role in gas prices than Putin and his war.
Did gas triple? Not by me. Even if I go to the nadir of prices, in mid 2020, it got to$2 and change by me. It has never been above $5 in Richmond. I'm guessing the same proportions generally apply nationwide
While gas might have be$7 in California, I'm willing to bet it was never $2 50.
The clear spike in prices right as the war started is unassailable. Yes gas had been gradually rising, as the world restarted, but Putin was a shock to the market.0 -
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I haven’t once blamed Biden.Halifax2TheMax said:I’d love an explanation of the spike and what proportion was caused by what, but you know, fuck Brandon.
Ypu only need basic middle-school graph reading skills to see the graph was trending in a straight line headed towards $100. The spike put it around $120. I don’t know what the issue is here.0 -
This guy is such a loser. Creepy joe at it again
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Listen, not to be a dick, but a stock graph is not a middle school graph to read. If it was, you'd be arguing that even without a war, the oil future price would be$200 next year. So your argument is pretty silly.mace1229 said:
I haven’t once blamed Biden.Halifax2TheMax said:I’d love an explanation of the spike and what proportion was caused by what, but you know, fuck Brandon.
Ypu only need basic middle-school graph reading skills to see the graph was trending in a straight line headed towards $100. The spike put it around $120. I don’t know what the issue is here.0 -
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Listen, not to be a dick, but a stock graph is not a middle school graph to read. If it was, you'd be arguing that even without a war, the oil future price would be$200 next year. So your argument is pretty silly.mace1229 said:
I haven’t once blamed Biden.Halifax2TheMax said:I’d love an explanation of the spike and what proportion was caused by what, but you know, fuck Brandon.
Ypu only need basic middle-school graph reading skills to see the graph was trending in a straight line headed towards $100. The spike put it around $120. I don’t know what the issue is here.
All I said was you can’t blame Putin for all of the gas increase, that Covid played a bigger role. I didn’t even think that was an arguable point. I thought that was common knowledge.You would be right if I was using that trend to predict gas next year. But I’m not. It’s not unreasonable to look at this graph, see a trend for the last 4 months and make a prediction that it would increase from $92to $100 in the next month. Especially considering at that point gas hadn’t even returned to pre-Covid average and they were rising as more people were returning to work in person. But for pointing out that gas had not even returned to pre-Covid prices at this point, that we were still living off low point from everyone working at home and people were starting to return to the office, I was called a Putin supporter and blaming Biden for some reason.0 -
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mace1229 said:And yet prices had a steady increase starting in November 2021
as I recall that coincides with when the russian military build up on ukraines borders began in earnest and the west spoke on those moves for what they were......
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Why even argue a silly point? Isn't Gosar's fundamental statement wrong from the start, that gas didn't triple? You've created an impossible argument by trying to get people to prove something that isn't true to start.mace1229 said:mrussel1 said:
Listen, not to be a dick, but a stock graph is not a middle school graph to read. If it was, you'd be arguing that even without a war, the oil future price would be$200 next year. So your argument is pretty silly.mace1229 said:
I haven’t once blamed Biden.Halifax2TheMax said:I’d love an explanation of the spike and what proportion was caused by what, but you know, fuck Brandon.
Ypu only need basic middle-school graph reading skills to see the graph was trending in a straight line headed towards $100. The spike put it around $120. I don’t know what the issue is here.
All I said was you can’t blame Putin for all of the gas increase, that Covid played a bigger role. I didn’t even think that was an arguable point. I thought that was common knowledge.You would be right if I was using that trend to predict gas next year. But I’m not. It’s not unreasonable to look at this graph, see a trend for the last 4 months and make a prediction that it would increase from $92to $100 in the next month. Especially considering at that point gas hadn’t even returned to pre-Covid average and they were rising as more people were returning to work in person. But for pointing out that gas had not even returned to pre-Covid prices at this point, that we were still living off low point from everyone working at home and people were starting to return to the office, I was called a Putin supporter and blaming Biden for some reason.
Second, once again, the war spiked the price. Even with the 8th grade graphing conclusions, the price of oil wasn't going up 25% in a week.0
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