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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,791
    mace1229 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    There is still the Cheney wildcard. She might run third party to slurp some votes away. Which I support.

    It just pains me that tRump still has that much support. He doesn't fucking deserve it.
    It's really amazing. 

    A third of the country really believes:
    • He has a super-human love for America and gave up his billionaire lifestyle when just about everything he ever says/tweets/posts is clearly all about himself and he's constantly getting money from them.
    • He's a Christian savior when he seems to be an agnostic.* Not to mention having  cheated on three wives.
    • He's a brilliant businessman, when he's just a guy born into money and has been a sub-par casino tycoon.
    • He relates to, and is fighting for, the working man (and against the élite) when he's never washed a dish, mowed a lawn, applied for a job, or filled a gas tank. Oh yeah; and an NYC-born silverspooner who attended an Ivy League school. The only thing even close to relatable to the average American is his love of fast food.
    • He's an alpha male when his primary personality trait is being a victim and he's never done anything "alpha."** Oh, and his petulant whining every time he loses anything (an Emmy, a caucus, an election).
    • He's going to save America when at best he admires dictators and at worst would sell us out to one for his own benefit without thinking twice.
    • He's smart when, well, come on...
    *As am I; so it doesn't bother me that he doesn't know much about the bible; but the way the religious right sees him is mind blowing.
    **Another one I don't care about but the label is so funny.
    I said this a while ago, but I don't think most believe that. A lot of votes today are against the other party, and not for their own.
    I hear more about how Biden has a better chance to eat Trump, and thats why he's in and poeple support him.
    Many of the votes for Trump aren't Trump votes, they're just anti-Biden votes. 
    Biden's the only president (as far as I know) who's name has used negatively in manufactured flags. That's about Trump. Let's Go Brandon, FJB, etc.; something like that would be going on with whatever person unseated Trump. While Trump isn't particularly beloved from a "yes/no" standpoint, I don't think anyone in US history has had this level of devotion.

    To your point, though, there are a lot of people that will just vote for the "R." There are also a lot of people that will be swayed by "how terrible Joe Biden is" and vote for Trump.  

    I said a third the Country fits those bullets of devotion. That's just a proportion I threw out. Maybe it's 20%. I don't know. But it's a critical mass. And I think the amount of hate we've seen devoted to such a "meh" president is more evidence of that.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,246
    Special Counsel releases report on Trump after a lengthy investigation. The press: ‘No collusion!’

    Special Counsel releases report on Biden after a lengthy investigation. The press: ‘He’s got puddin’ for brains!’
    You missed a step. AG Bill DISBarred releases 4 page synopsis making dismissive claims of no collusion.

    The differences between the two are stark and stunning. Brandon and his team gave everything up and fully cooperated with the investigation and as such, it’s concluded in a mere year and a half. Brandon sat for interviews and answered questions and clearly didn’t remember where his notebook from his time in the senate from 1978 or 1988 was located. But they found it and were able to assess it. That’s just one example. The bigger example, despite his age and mush for brains, Brandon FULLY COOPERATED and let the process play out, exhibiting once again that he has NOTHING TO HIDE.

    Now compare that to POOTWH, and more importantly, with the behaviour of everyone he’s surrounded by and has been or will be charged, or been investigated for all of the current and future allegations of criminal conduct.

    ’Murica is so fucked.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,184
    Special Counsel releases report on Trump after a lengthy investigation. The press: ‘No collusion!’

    Special Counsel releases report on Biden after a lengthy investigation. The press: ‘He’s got puddin’ for brains!’
    You missed a step. AG Bill DISBarred releases 4 page synopsis making dismissive claims of no collusion.

    The differences between the two are stark and stunning. Brandon and his team gave everything up and fully cooperated with the investigation and as such, it’s concluded in a mere year and a half. Brandon sat for interviews and answered questions and clearly didn’t remember where his notebook from his time in the senate from 1978 or 1988 was located. But they found it and were able to assess it. That’s just one example. The bigger example, despite his age and mush for brains, Brandon FULLY COOPERATED and let the process play out, exhibiting once again that he has NOTHING TO HIDE.

    Now compare that to POOTWH, and more importantly, with the behaviour of everyone he’s surrounded by and has been or will be charged, or been investigated for all of the current and future allegations of criminal conduct.

    ’Murica is so fucked.
    Yep Murica is fucked! It doesn’t pay to be honest in America this nation loves the adulterous, the corrupt the rapist the thieve but not an honest caring old man! At this point I’m almost wishing for orange 💩 head to win it and have America just collapse! 
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,033
    trump remembered "person, woman, man, camera, tv" in a row. that's it, he has my vote.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,719
    trump remembered "person, woman, man, camera, tv" in a row. that's it, he has my vote.
    pretty fucking low bar for "genius". hahaha
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,033
    trump remembered "person, woman, man, camera, tv" in a row. that's it, he has my vote.
    pretty fucking low bar for "genius". hahaha
    can you do that? i know i struggled with it.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,246
    trump remembered "person, woman, man, camera, tv" in a row. that's it, he has my vote.
    And he plays the accordion. But now, can we get back to Hunter’s laptop? That’s the real story being buried by Brandon’s dementia.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,033
    trump remembered "person, woman, man, camera, tv" in a row. that's it, he has my vote.
    pretty fucking low bar for "genius". hahaha
    can you do that? i know i struggled with it.
    it even impressed the testers. they were like "WOW! nobody can do that!!"

    must be a genius.
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  • KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere. Posts: 4,768
    yep.

    No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen @NoLieWithBTC
    16h
    Jesse Watters has dementia according to Fox News’ own logic.

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    Biden-Harris HQ @BidenHQ
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    16h
    Seconds after trying to criticize President Biden’s memory, Fox host Jesse Watters refers to Kristi Noem as the governor of “South Carolina,” not South Dakota


    Falling down,...not staying down
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,289
    Kat said:
    yep.

    No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen @NoLieWithBTC
    16h
    Jesse Watters has dementia according to Fox News’ own logic.

    Quote
    Biden-Harris HQ @BidenHQ
    ·
    16h
    Seconds after trying to criticize President Biden’s memory, Fox host Jesse Watters refers to Kristi Noem as the governor of “South Carolina,” not South Dakota


    Yeah... Mike Johnson recently misspoke and talked about sending aid to Iran when he meant Israel and trump recently blamed Nikki Haley for 1/6 when he got her confused with Nancy Pelosi, but somehow Biden's memory lapse is the biggest story about him from his 1st term or something to that effect. 
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 8,902
    Kat said:
    yep.

    No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen @NoLieWithBTC
    16h
    Jesse Watters has dementia according to Fox News’ own logic.

    Quote
    Biden-Harris HQ @BidenHQ
    ·
    16h
    Seconds after trying to criticize President Biden’s memory, Fox host Jesse Watters refers to Kristi Noem as the governor of “South Carolina,” not South Dakota


    Yeah... Mike Johnson recently misspoke and talked about sending aid to Iran when he meant Israel and trump recently blamed Nikki Haley for 1/6 when he got her confused with Nancy Pelosi, but somehow Biden's memory lapse is the biggest story about him from his 1st term or something to that effect. 
    The disadvantage of going up against a guy with a 'bed of nails' strategy - when they blunder, everyone expects it and therefore it comes and goes. When you blunder, it stands out.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,289
    benjs said:
    Kat said:
    yep.

    No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen @NoLieWithBTC
    16h
    Jesse Watters has dementia according to Fox News’ own logic.

    Quote
    Biden-Harris HQ @BidenHQ
    ·
    16h
    Seconds after trying to criticize President Biden’s memory, Fox host Jesse Watters refers to Kristi Noem as the governor of “South Carolina,” not South Dakota


    Yeah... Mike Johnson recently misspoke and talked about sending aid to Iran when he meant Israel and trump recently blamed Nikki Haley for 1/6 when he got her confused with Nancy Pelosi, but somehow Biden's memory lapse is the biggest story about him from his 1st term or something to that effect. 
    The disadvantage of going up against a guy with a 'bed of nails' strategy - when they blunder, everyone expects it and therefore it comes and goes. When you blunder, it stands out.
    I'm well aware of the double standard in play, but can't not point it out, despite feeling like I'm shoveling shit against the tide. 
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,884
    The questions at this press conference are insane...."how do you justify no charges being brought against Biden when they brought charges against tRump?"

    wtf?
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,047
    benjs said:
    Kat said:
    yep.

    No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen @NoLieWithBTC
    16h
    Jesse Watters has dementia according to Fox News’ own logic.

    Quote
    Biden-Harris HQ @BidenHQ
    ·
    16h
    Seconds after trying to criticize President Biden’s memory, Fox host Jesse Watters refers to Kristi Noem as the governor of “South Carolina,” not South Dakota


    Yeah... Mike Johnson recently misspoke and talked about sending aid to Iran when he meant Israel and trump recently blamed Nikki Haley for 1/6 when he got her confused with Nancy Pelosi, but somehow Biden's memory lapse is the biggest story about him from his 1st term or something to that effect. 
    The disadvantage of going up against a guy with a 'bed of nails' strategy - when they blunder, everyone expects it and therefore it comes and goes. When you blunder, it stands out.
    I'm well aware of the double standard in play, but can't not point it out, despite feeling like I'm shoveling shit against the tide. 
    I think it’s clear Biden and Trump are more than just a mispeak here and there…everyone does that, these guys are on a whole other level.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,289
    benjs said:
    Kat said:
    yep.

    No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen @NoLieWithBTC
    16h
    Jesse Watters has dementia according to Fox News’ own logic.

    Quote
    Biden-Harris HQ @BidenHQ
    ·
    16h
    Seconds after trying to criticize President Biden’s memory, Fox host Jesse Watters refers to Kristi Noem as the governor of “South Carolina,” not South Dakota


    Yeah... Mike Johnson recently misspoke and talked about sending aid to Iran when he meant Israel and trump recently blamed Nikki Haley for 1/6 when he got her confused with Nancy Pelosi, but somehow Biden's memory lapse is the biggest story about him from his 1st term or something to that effect. 
    The disadvantage of going up against a guy with a 'bed of nails' strategy - when they blunder, everyone expects it and therefore it comes and goes. When you blunder, it stands out.
    I'm well aware of the double standard in play, but can't not point it out, despite feeling like I'm shoveling shit against the tide. 
    I think it’s clear Biden and Trump are more than just a mispeak here and there…everyone does that, these guys are on a whole other level.
    Yeah… the whole thing sucks. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,022

     

    Robert Hur’s Box-Checking

    February 9, 2024/79 Comments/in 2024 Presidential Election, emptywheel, Leak Investigations /by emptywheel

    In the middle of his explanation for why he believed that Joe Biden had willfully retained classified records pertaining to Afghanistan but that he couldn’t prove that beyond a reasonable doubt, Special Counsel Robert Hur admitted that jurors “who are unwilling to read too much into” what Hur describes as an 8-word utterance would find his case lacking.

    But reasonable jurors who are unwilling to read too much into Mr. Biden’s brief aside to Zwonitzer–“I just found all the classified stuff downstairs”–may find a shortage of evidence to establish that Mr. Biden looked through the “Facts First” folder, which is the only folder known to contain national defense information. These jurors would acquit Mr. Biden of willfully retaining national defense information from the “Facts First” folder.


    continues.....


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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 1,366
    brianlux said:
    You ever get the feeling we are just totally screwed with this coming election?

    Biden mistakes dead European leader for living one – for second time in a week

    President’s gaffes stoke concern over his age as election campaign against his presumptive opponent – also advanced in age – picks up



    Yes. I can’t believe I’m going to have to vote for Biden again.  I wonder if either of them will make it to 2028 

  • mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,022
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,884
    mickeyrat said:
    Truth...imagine the media reaction to a Biden "Yo...semite" gaffe. Holy fuck tRump is a fucking idiot.
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  • sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 1,366
    CNN — 

    President Joe Biden gave a press conference Thursday night after the release of a report from special counsel Robert Hur, who announced that Biden would not face charges over his handling of classified information from prior to his presidency.

    Biden was combative, forcefully rejecting Hur’s claims that he has a poor memory. But the president was also repeatedly inaccurate, making three claims that were clearly contradicted by Hur’s report.

    Here is a fact check.

    Where the classified material was stored

    Biden sought to contrast his handling of classified material with that of former President Donald Trump, who faces felony charges for willfully retaining classified documents. (Hur agreed that there were major distinctions between the two cases.) But while Biden correctly noted that the documents were in a private home that is very different from the Mar-a-Lago social club where Trump lives, Biden embellished his argument with a false claim.

    Biden said: “All the stuff that was in my home was in filing cabinets that were either locked or able to be locked.”

    Facts First: Biden’s claim is not true. The special counsel’s report says that while some of the classified documents were found in cabinet drawers in Biden’s Delaware home, other classified documents, about Afghanistan, were found in an “unsealed” and “badly damaged” box sitting in his garage alongside an assortment of other items the special counsel described as “household detritus.” The report includes a photo of the box.

    Hur wrote that investigators looked into the possibility that the Afghanistan-related documents found in the box were previously stored in a filing cabinet when Biden lived in a rented home in Virginia before moving out in 2019. Hur called that line of inquiry “inconclusive.” Regardless, Biden’s Thursday claim that “all” of the documents in his home were in locked or lockable filing cabinets is not true of his current home.

    According to the special counsel, even classified documents Biden was storing elsewhere in his home were insufficiently secure. Hur wrote that Biden notebooks containing classified information from his vice presidency were found by investigators in “unlocked drawers in the office and basement den” of the home. Hur wrote that Biden “should have known” that as a private citizen as of 2017, “he was not permitted to keep handwritten notes about the President’s Daily Brief and other classified information in unlocked drawers in his home.”

    At a White House briefing on Friday, Ian Sams, a spokesperson for the White House Counsel’s Office, would not directly answer when asked about Biden’s claims about the security of the documents held at his home.

    “Look, I think the president was trying to address a number of inaccurate allegations in this … report,” Sams told CNN’s MJ Lee. “I don’t have anything … to add on what he said last night.”

    Asked later whether he was saying the special counsel’s report was inaccurate about the storage of documents, Sams again avoided responding directly.

    “The report lays out in 400 pages of detail all of the evidence and all of the review that they conducted in looking into this matter,” he said. “The president made sure that all of the classified documents that were found were returned promptly to the government, which is what you’re supposed to do, which is why this is the inevitable conclusion that there is no case here.”

    When the reporter pressed Sams, saying that wasn’t a response to his question, Sams replied: “I understand what you’re trying to ask.” He did not respond further to the question.

    The classification level of the documents Biden had in his possession

    Biden claimed of the documents he possessed: “None of it was high classified. It didn’t have any of that red stuff on it, you know what I mean, around the corners? None of that.”

    Facts First: Biden’s claim that none of the classified material found in his possession was highly classified is false, according to details provided by the special counsel. Hur reported the discovery of documents in Biden’s possession that had markings identifying them as “Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information,” a very high level of classification – plus handwritten notebooks from Biden’s time as vice president that weren’t marked as classified but that “contain information that remains classified up to the Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information level.”

    It’s not clear whether any of the marked classified documents found in Biden’s possession had the colored borders seen on some of the marked classified documents found in Trump’s possession, which is what Biden appeared to be referring to when he spoke about “that red stuff…around the corners.” Regardless, Hur explained at length that some of the documents were marked as Top Secretand some with other notations identifying them as highly classified.

    For example, Hur wrote, the open box in Biden’s garage contained an Afghanistan-related memo from the National Security Adviser to President Barack Obama in 2009 marked “TOP SECRET/SCI” (Sensitive Compartmented Information). Hur wrote that experts in the intelligence community said the document contains “highly sensitive information about the military programs of the United States and a foreign government. The unauthorized disclosure of this information, both today and in 2017 when Mr. Biden was no longer vice president, reasonably could be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security.”

    Hur wrote that the box in the garage contained another 2009 memo from the National Security Adviser to Obama marked “TOP SECRET WITH TOP SECRET/NOFORN/CODEWORD ATTACHMENTS” with attachments, one of which was marked “TOP SECRET//HUMINT/COMINT//ORCON/NOFORN//FISA.”Hur wrote that experts said “portions of this document contain national defense information about sensitive intelligence sources and methods.”

    In addition, Hur wrote that notebooks with handwritten notes Biden took during his vice presidency contained information on “U.S. intelligence sources, methods, and capabilities,” “U.S. intelligence activities” and “the activities of foreign intelligence services,” among other things. Hur wrote that when investigators looked into a sampling of 37 excerpts from Biden’s handwritten materials that appeared to be classified, they found that “eight are Top Secret with Sensitive Compartmented Information, seven of which include information concerning human intelligence sources,” while six are Top Secret alone, 21 Secret and two Confidential.

    “Mr. Biden wrote down obviously sensitive information discussed during intelligence briefings with then President Obama and meetings in the White House Situation Room about matters of national security and military and foreign policy,” Hur wrote.

    What Hur said Biden said to his ghostwriter

    Hur said in the report that Biden disclosed classified material from his notebooks to the ghostwriter, Mark Zwonitzer,  who worked with him on a 2017 memoir called “Promise Me, Dad.” But Biden categorically denied that he had shared classified information with the ghostwriter, saying he can “guarantee” he didn’t.

    When a reporter responded that the special counsel said he did, Biden responded, “No, they did not say that. He did not say that.”

    Facts First: Biden’s claim is false. Hur did say that, writing explicitly that “Mr. Biden shared information, including some classified information, from those notebooks with his ghostwriter.” He elaborated that Biden shared classified information with his ghostwriter by reading “nearly verbatim” from his notebooks “on at least three occasions,” including his “notes from meetings in the Situation Room.” 

    Hur did find, however, that Biden “at times” tried to avoid sharing classified information, by stopping at or skipping over certain material from the notebooks. And he wrote that “the evidence does not show that when Mr. Biden shared the specific passages with his ghostwriter, Mr. Biden knew the passages were classified and intended to share classified information.”

    Hur wrote that in one recorded conversation with the ghostwriter in 2017, at the Virginia home where Biden then lived, Biden read from his notebook about a National Security Council meeting about Iraq in 2015, then told the ghostwriter about a 2009 memo he had written to Obama arguing against the deployment of more troops to Afghanistan – and then said, “I just found all the classified stuff downstairs.” Hur noted that more than five years later, investigators found classified documents about the Afghanistan troop surge in Biden’s Delaware garage.

    Hur wrote that he has not heard of any allegations that classified material actually appeared in Biden’s 2017 memoir.

    This story has been updated with additional reaction.

    CNN’s Nikki Carvajal contributed to this report.

  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,033
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    CNN — 

    President Joe Biden gave a press conference Thursday night after the release of a report from special counsel Robert Hur, who announced that Biden would not face charges over his handling of classified information from prior to his presidency.

    Biden was combative, forcefully rejecting Hur’s claims that he has a poor memory. But the president was also repeatedly inaccurate, making three claims that were clearly contradicted by Hur’s report.

    Here is a fact check.

    Where the classified material was stored

    Biden sought to contrast his handling of classified material with that of former President Donald Trump, who faces felony charges for willfully retaining classified documents. (Hur agreed that there were major distinctions between the two cases.) But while Biden correctly noted that the documents were in a private home that is very different from the Mar-a-Lago social club where Trump lives, Biden embellished his argument with a false claim.

    Biden said: “All the stuff that was in my home was in filing cabinets that were either locked or able to be locked.”

    Facts First: Biden’s claim is not true. The special counsel’s report says that while some of the classified documents were found in cabinet drawers in Biden’s Delaware home, other classified documents, about Afghanistan, were found in an “unsealed” and “badly damaged” box sitting in his garage alongside an assortment of other items the special counsel described as “household detritus.” The report includes a photo of the box.

    Hur wrote that investigators looked into the possibility that the Afghanistan-related documents found in the box were previously stored in a filing cabinet when Biden lived in a rented home in Virginia before moving out in 2019. Hur called that line of inquiry “inconclusive.” Regardless, Biden’s Thursday claim that “all” of the documents in his home were in locked or lockable filing cabinets is not true of his current home.

    According to the special counsel, even classified documents Biden was storing elsewhere in his home were insufficiently secure. Hur wrote that Biden notebooks containing classified information from his vice presidency were found by investigators in “unlocked drawers in the office and basement den” of the home. Hur wrote that Biden “should have known” that as a private citizen as of 2017, “he was not permitted to keep handwritten notes about the President’s Daily Brief and other classified information in unlocked drawers in his home.”

    At a White House briefing on Friday, Ian Sams, a spokesperson for the White House Counsel’s Office, would not directly answer when asked about Biden’s claims about the security of the documents held at his home.

    “Look, I think the president was trying to address a number of inaccurate allegations in this … report,” Sams told CNN’s MJ Lee. “I don’t have anything … to add on what he said last night.”

    Asked later whether he was saying the special counsel’s report was inaccurate about the storage of documents, Sams again avoided responding directly.

    “The report lays out in 400 pages of detail all of the evidence and all of the review that they conducted in looking into this matter,” he said. “The president made sure that all of the classified documents that were found were returned promptly to the government, which is what you’re supposed to do, which is why this is the inevitable conclusion that there is no case here.”

    When the reporter pressed Sams, saying that wasn’t a response to his question, Sams replied: “I understand what you’re trying to ask.” He did not respond further to the question.

    The classification level of the documents Biden had in his possession

    Biden claimed of the documents he possessed: “None of it was high classified. It didn’t have any of that red stuff on it, you know what I mean, around the corners? None of that.”

    Facts First: Biden’s claim that none of the classified material found in his possession was highly classified is false, according to details provided by the special counsel. Hur reported the discovery of documents in Biden’s possession that had markings identifying them as “Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information,” a very high level of classification – plus handwritten notebooks from Biden’s time as vice president that weren’t marked as classified but that “contain information that remains classified up to the Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information level.”

    It’s not clear whether any of the marked classified documents found in Biden’s possession had the colored borders seen on some of the marked classified documents found in Trump’s possession, which is what Biden appeared to be referring to when he spoke about “that red stuff…around the corners.” Regardless, Hur explained at length that some of the documents were marked as Top Secretand some with other notations identifying them as highly classified.

    For example, Hur wrote, the open box in Biden’s garage contained an Afghanistan-related memo from the National Security Adviser to President Barack Obama in 2009 marked “TOP SECRET/SCI” (Sensitive Compartmented Information). Hur wrote that experts in the intelligence community said the document contains “highly sensitive information about the military programs of the United States and a foreign government. The unauthorized disclosure of this information, both today and in 2017 when Mr. Biden was no longer vice president, reasonably could be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security.”

    Hur wrote that the box in the garage contained another 2009 memo from the National Security Adviser to Obama marked “TOP SECRET WITH TOP SECRET/NOFORN/CODEWORD ATTACHMENTS” with attachments, one of which was marked “TOP SECRET//HUMINT/COMINT//ORCON/NOFORN//FISA.”Hur wrote that experts said “portions of this document contain national defense information about sensitive intelligence sources and methods.”

    In addition, Hur wrote that notebooks with handwritten notes Biden took during his vice presidency contained information on “U.S. intelligence sources, methods, and capabilities,” “U.S. intelligence activities” and “the activities of foreign intelligence services,” among other things. Hur wrote that when investigators looked into a sampling of 37 excerpts from Biden’s handwritten materials that appeared to be classified, they found that “eight are Top Secret with Sensitive Compartmented Information, seven of which include information concerning human intelligence sources,” while six are Top Secret alone, 21 Secret and two Confidential.

    “Mr. Biden wrote down obviously sensitive information discussed during intelligence briefings with then President Obama and meetings in the White House Situation Room about matters of national security and military and foreign policy,” Hur wrote.

    What Hur said Biden said to his ghostwriter

    Hur said in the report that Biden disclosed classified material from his notebooks to the ghostwriter, Mark Zwonitzer,  who worked with him on a 2017 memoir called “Promise Me, Dad.” But Biden categorically denied that he had shared classified information with the ghostwriter, saying he can “guarantee” he didn’t.

    When a reporter responded that the special counsel said he did, Biden responded, “No, they did not say that. He did not say that.”

    Facts First: Biden’s claim is false. Hur did say that, writing explicitly that “Mr. Biden shared information, including some classified information, from those notebooks with his ghostwriter.” He elaborated that Biden shared classified information with his ghostwriter by reading “nearly verbatim” from his notebooks “on at least three occasions,” including his “notes from meetings in the Situation Room.” 

    Hur did find, however, that Biden “at times” tried to avoid sharing classified information, by stopping at or skipping over certain material from the notebooks. And he wrote that “the evidence does not show that when Mr. Biden shared the specific passages with his ghostwriter, Mr. Biden knew the passages were classified and intended to share classified information.”

    Hur wrote that in one recorded conversation with the ghostwriter in 2017, at the Virginia home where Biden then lived, Biden read from his notebook about a National Security Council meeting about Iraq in 2015, then told the ghostwriter about a 2009 memo he had written to Obama arguing against the deployment of more troops to Afghanistan – and then said, “I just found all the classified stuff downstairs.” Hur noted that more than five years later, investigators found classified documents about the Afghanistan troop surge in Biden’s Delaware garage.

    Hur wrote that he has not heard of any allegations that classified material actually appeared in Biden’s 2017 memoir.

    This story has been updated with additional reaction.

    CNN’s Nikki Carvajal contributed to this report.

    biden, like pence, voluntarily gave them back as soon as he found out he had them. he volunteered and offered additional searches of all of his homes. trump did none of this. do you understand the difference and why trump is being prosecuted?

    to quote junior, this is just a big nothingburger. 

    nobody should have these documents in their home. but at least these were quickly and voluntarily returned.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,884
    Yes these two cases are not comparable at all. tRump knowingly moved and asked others to move/hide the classified documents in his possession. 


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  • sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 1,366
    FOX Business host Larry Kudlow reacts to Biden not being charged in the classified documents scandal on 'Kudlow.'

    The one point in the Biden Special Counsel report that has not received enough attention is the fact that U.S. senators and vice presidents do not have any legal authority to take classified 
    documents with them, or take them home, or take them to their new private office. 

    Period. Full stop. It is illegal. This point is crucial to the whole discussion of the Robert Hur Special Counsel report. Let me quote the great Victor Davis Hanson: "Special Counsel Robert Hur just found Joe Biden was guilty of violating national security laws in removing classified documents – after examining then Senator and Vice President Biden's some 15 year habit of removing classified files to his offices and residences, where they were stored in unsecured fashion. Period. End of story. 

    Victor goes on to say,"Biden has no putative right, as did Trump as president to declassify files he took home Trump's Mar-A-Lago walled and surveyed estate was far more secure than Biden's rickety garage."

    Mr. Trump was covered by the Presidential Records Act. That gives him authority to declassify documents and to transport them into a safe and secure location. Only presidents have that authority. No one else has it. 

    Therefore, what Mr. Biden did was unlawful for a period of 15 years, taking documents from the Senate and the vice presidency. The law further states that if you want to use classified documents for a book or whatever, he can read them in a secure SCIF in the National Archives building. 

    Now, the Hur report does say that Biden knew he had possession of the classified Afghanistan documents after the vice presidency and chose to keep those documents knowing he was violating the law. The Hur report, in fact, states that Biden discovered these classified documents back in 2017, when he was discussing the topic with his ghost writer.  

    So, when Biden and his people say a year ago they suddenly discovered classified documents in his garage and they rushed pell-mell to tell the Justice Department and the Archives and anyone else that would listen... This is just another Biden untruth. He's known for years and he had been pulling this trick for fifteen years, going back to his Senate days. 

    Of course, the double standard here is that Donald Trump was accused of willfully retaining classified materials, but under the Presidential Records Act he didn't do anything wrong. It’s a two-tiered justice system. Now, former prosecutor Andy McCarthy argues that "if you're at the point where you're saying what a jury would assess, what that means is you have drawn the conclusion that there is enough evidence to indict the person and enough evidence perhaps to let the jury decide the case." 

    This is a key insight. Robert Hur’s musings about potential juries kind of reminds you of James Comey’s merry-go-round with Hillary Clinton. Just saying. Then, of course, regarding the Hur report’s description of Biden's so-called limited memory, which would somehow get him off in front of a jury, that raises the point -- if you can't remember anything and if you keep confusing everything, events, people, dates… How can you be president and commander in chief? 

    Again, I turn to Andy McCarthy, who said Hur's findings contain evidence to invoke Section 4 of the 25th Amendment, which empowers the vice president, along with the majority of those in the Cabinet, to remove a president from office if he or she is judged to be incapable of fulfilling presidential duties. "His fitness for office is a major issue here," McCarthy told Fox News. All the Biden White House attempts to discredit the Hur report are going to fall on deaf ears around the country. Joe Biden is in a heap of trouble and he's trying to untruth his way out of it, but I will predict -- it will not work. The Biden presidency is broken. 

    This article is adapted from Larry Kudlow’s opening commentary on the February 9, 2024, edition of "Kudlow."      


  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,246
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    shecky said:
    FOX Business host Larry Kudlow reacts to Biden not being charged in the classified documents scandal on 'Kudlow.'

    The one point in the Biden Special Counsel report that has not received enough attention is the fact that U.S. senators and vice presidents do not have any legal authority to take classified 
    documents with them, or take them home, or take them to their new private office. 

    Period. Full stop. It is illegal. This point is crucial to the whole discussion of the Robert Hur Special Counsel report. Let me quote the great Victor Davis Hanson: "Special Counsel Robert Hur just found Joe Biden was guilty of violating national security laws in removing classified documents – after examining then Senator and Vice President Biden's some 15 year habit of removing classified files to his offices and residences, where they were stored in unsecured fashion. Period. End of story. 

    Victor goes on to say,"Biden has no putative right, as did Trump as president to declassify files he took home Trump's Mar-A-Lago walled and surveyed estate was far more secure than Biden's rickety garage."

    Mr. Trump was covered by the Presidential Records Act. That gives him authority to declassify documents and to transport them into a safe and secure location. Only presidents have that authority. No one else has it. 

    Therefore, what Mr. Biden did was unlawful for a period of 15 years, taking documents from the Senate and the vice presidency. The law further states that if you want to use classified documents for a book or whatever, he can read them in a secure SCIF in the National Archives building. 

    Now, the Hur report does say that Biden knew he had possession of the classified Afghanistan documents after the vice presidency and chose to keep those documents knowing he was violating the law. The Hur report, in fact, states that Biden discovered these classified documents back in 2017, when he was discussing the topic with his ghost writer.  

    So, when Biden and his people say a year ago they suddenly discovered classified documents in his garage and they rushed pell-mell to tell the Justice Department and the Archives and anyone else that would listen... This is just another Biden untruth. He's known for years and he had been pulling this trick for fifteen years, going back to his Senate days. 

    Of course, the double standard here is that Donald Trump was accused of willfully retaining classified materials, but under the Presidential Records Act he didn't do anything wrong. It’s a two-tiered justice system. Now, former prosecutor Andy McCarthy argues that "if you're at the point where you're saying what a jury would assess, what that means is you have drawn the conclusion that there is enough evidence to indict the person and enough evidence perhaps to let the jury decide the case." 

    This is a key insight. Robert Hur’s musings about potential juries kind of reminds you of James Comey’s merry-go-round with Hillary Clinton. Just saying. Then, of course, regarding the Hur report’s description of Biden's so-called limited memory, which would somehow get him off in front of a jury, that raises the point -- if you can't remember anything and if you keep confusing everything, events, people, dates… How can you be president and commander in chief? 

    Again, I turn to Andy McCarthy, who said Hur's findings contain evidence to invoke Section 4 of the 25th Amendment, which empowers the vice president, along with the majority of those in the Cabinet, to remove a president from office if he or she is judged to be incapable of fulfilling presidential duties. "His fitness for office is a major issue here," McCarthy told Fox News. All the Biden White House attempts to discredit the Hur report are going to fall on deaf ears around the country. Joe Biden is in a heap of trouble and he's trying to untruth his way out of it, but I will predict -- it will not work. The Biden presidency is broken. 

    This article is adapted from Larry Kudlow’s opening commentary on the February 9, 2024, edition of "Kudlow."      


    Too fucking bad POOTWH didn’t follow the process for “declassifying documents,” eh? Mere possession or claiming, “I declassified them,” doesn’t make it so. Too bad your Faux bloviator and their “expert” missed the part where Hurl says, “it’s unlikely, based upon the evidence presented, that a jury would find Brandon guilty of an espionage act violation.” Try again.

    The economy sure as hell indicates Brandon is demented.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,022
    shecky said:
    FOX Business host Larry Kudlow reacts to Biden not being charged in the classified documents scandal on 'Kudlow.'

    The one point in the Biden Special Counsel report that has not received enough attention is the fact that U.S. senators and vice presidents do not have any legal authority to take classified 
    documents with them, or take them home, or take them to their new private office. 

    Period. Full stop. It is illegal. This point is crucial to the whole discussion of the Robert Hur Special Counsel report. Let me quote the great Victor Davis Hanson: "Special Counsel Robert Hur just found Joe Biden was guilty of violating national security laws in removing classified documents – after examining then Senator and Vice President Biden's some 15 year habit of removing classified files to his offices and residences, where they were stored in unsecured fashion. Period. End of story. 

    Victor goes on to say,"Biden has no putative right, as did Trump as president to declassify files he took home Trump's Mar-A-Lago walled and surveyed estate was far more secure than Biden's rickety garage."

    Mr. Trump was covered by the Presidential Records Act. That gives him authority to declassify documents and to transport them into a safe and secure location. Only presidents have that authority. No one else has it. 

    Therefore, what Mr. Biden did was unlawful for a period of 15 years, taking documents from the Senate and the vice presidency. The law further states that if you want to use classified documents for a book or whatever, he can read them in a secure SCIF in the National Archives building. 

    Now, the Hur report does say that Biden knew he had possession of the classified Afghanistan documents after the vice presidency and chose to keep those documents knowing he was violating the law. The Hur report, in fact, states that Biden discovered these classified documents back in 2017, when he was discussing the topic with his ghost writer.  

    So, when Biden and his people say a year ago they suddenly discovered classified documents in his garage and they rushed pell-mell to tell the Justice Department and the Archives and anyone else that would listen... This is just another Biden untruth. He's known for years and he had been pulling this trick for fifteen years, going back to his Senate days. 

    Of course, the double standard here is that Donald Trump was accused of willfully retaining classified materials, but under the Presidential Records Act he didn't do anything wrong. It’s a two-tiered justice system. Now, former prosecutor Andy McCarthy argues that "if you're at the point where you're saying what a jury would assess, what that means is you have drawn the conclusion that there is enough evidence to indict the person and enough evidence perhaps to let the jury decide the case." 

    This is a key insight. Robert Hur’s musings about potential juries kind of reminds you of James Comey’s merry-go-round with Hillary Clinton. Just saying. Then, of course, regarding the Hur report’s description of Biden's so-called limited memory, which would somehow get him off in front of a jury, that raises the point -- if you can't remember anything and if you keep confusing everything, events, people, dates… How can you be president and commander in chief? 

    Again, I turn to Andy McCarthy, who said Hur's findings contain evidence to invoke Section 4 of the 25th Amendment, which empowers the vice president, along with the majority of those in the Cabinet, to remove a president from office if he or she is judged to be incapable of fulfilling presidential duties. "His fitness for office is a major issue here," McCarthy told Fox News. All the Biden White House attempts to discredit the Hur report are going to fall on deaf ears around the country. Joe Biden is in a heap of trouble and he's trying to untruth his way out of it, but I will predict -- it will not work. The Biden presidency is broken. 

    This article is adapted from Larry Kudlow’s opening commentary on the February 9, 2024, edition of "Kudlow."      



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  • sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 1,366
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    "The one point in the Biden Special Counsel report that has not received enough attention is the fact that U.S. senators and vice presidents do not have any legal authority to take classified documents with them, or take them home, or take them to their new private office. 

    Period. Full stop. It is illegal. This point is crucial to the whole discussion of the Robert Hur Special Counsel report. Let me quote the great Victor Davis Hanson: "Special Counsel Robert Hur just found Joe Biden was guilty of violating national security laws in removing classified documents – after examining then Senator and Vice President Biden's some 15 year habit of removing classified files to his offices and residences, where they were stored in unsecured fashion. Period. End of story."

    This article is adapted from Larry Kudlow’s opening commentary on the February 9, 2024, edition of "Kudlow."      


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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,246
    shecky said:
    "The one point in the Biden Special Counsel report that has not received enough attention is the fact that U.S. senators and vice presidents do not have any legal authority to take classified documents with them, or take them home, or take them to their new private office. 

    Period. Full stop. It is illegal. This point is crucial to the whole discussion of the Robert Hur Special Counsel report. Let me quote the great Victor Davis Hanson: "Special Counsel Robert Hur just found Joe Biden was guilty of violating national security laws in removing classified documents – after examining then Senator and Vice President Biden's some 15 year habit of removing classified files to his offices and residences, where they were stored in unsecured fashion. Period. End of story."

    This article is adapted from Larry Kudlow’s opening commentary on the February 9, 2024, edition of "Kudlow."      


    Let us know when the indictments are handed down, eh?
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    'The special counsel raised Biden’s age and memory in explaining why he didn’t bring charges.

    “We have also considered that, at trial, Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory,” Hur wrote.'

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