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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,820
    guessing the magats have no choice but to cheer for the 49ers on the 11th?
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,628
    guessing the magats have no choice but to cheer for the 49ers on the 11th?
    Of course they would cheer for the city of Queers.  
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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,476
    edited February 2
    mrussel1 said:
    guessing the magats have no choice but to cheer for the 49ers on the 11th?
    Of course they would cheer for the city of Queers.  
    Such a dilemma - root for Nancy Pelosi's shithole district or the Taylor Swift Fake Relationship Deep State Vaccine Rigged Election Conspiracy. 

    Conservative football fans need a Super Bowl safe space.  
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,628
    mrussel1 said:
    guessing the magats have no choice but to cheer for the 49ers on the 11th?
    Of course they would cheer for the city of Queers.  
    Such a dilemma - root for Nancy Pelosi's shithole district or the Taylor Swift Fake Relationship Deep State Vaccine Rigged Election Conspiracy. 

    Conservative football fans need a Super Bowl safe space.  
    Such an amazing Catch-22 for the MAGA universe.  

    So the term totalitarianism has a well established meaning.  But some political scientists also use it to describe someone who views everything through the prism of politics.  This is a great example.  There are people on the left and right that do it though. 
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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,476
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    guessing the magats have no choice but to cheer for the 49ers on the 11th?
    Of course they would cheer for the city of Queers.  
    Such a dilemma - root for Nancy Pelosi's shithole district or the Taylor Swift Fake Relationship Deep State Vaccine Rigged Election Conspiracy. 

    Conservative football fans need a Super Bowl safe space.  
    Such an amazing Catch-22 for the MAGA universe.  

    So the term totalitarianism has a well established meaning.  But some political scientists also use it to describe someone who views everything through the prism of politics.  This is a great example.  There are people on the left and right that do it though. 
    Agreed… “both sides” definitely applies there. 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,589
    Does the Swifty tour swing back through NA before November? I’d be concerned about an “event” if so. The cult and especially their enablers need to tone down their rhetoric.
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,726
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,155

    this is just gross.

    this is something maga would do. we are better than that.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,589

    this is just gross.

    this is something maga would do. we are better than that.
    You mean I shouldn’t have my muscle car and Hummer wrapped in it?
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,726

    this is just gross.

    this is something maga would do. we are better than that.
    You mean I shouldn’t have my muscle car and Hummer wrapped in it?

    no. but a flag is ok.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,589
    mickeyrat said:

    this is just gross.

    this is something maga would do. we are better than that.
    You mean I shouldn’t have my muscle car and Hummer wrapped in it?

    no. but a flag is ok.
    A 20’ X 20’? Think that’s big enough? Or should I go larger?
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,589
    edited February 3

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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,697
    You ever get the feeling we are just totally screwed with this coming election?

    Biden mistakes dead European leader for living one – for second time in a week

    President’s gaffes stoke concern over his age as election campaign against his presumptive opponent – also advanced in age – picks up



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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,093
    brianlux said:
    You ever get the feeling we are just totally screwed with this coming election?

    Biden mistakes dead European leader for living one – for second time in a week

    President’s gaffes stoke concern over his age as election campaign against his presumptive opponent – also advanced in age – picks up



    Yes. I can’t believe I’m going to have to vote for Biden again.  I wonder if either of them will make it to 2028 
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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,476
    brianlux said:
    You ever get the feeling we are just totally screwed with this coming election?

    Biden mistakes dead European leader for living one – for second time in a week

    President’s gaffes stoke concern over his age as election campaign against his presumptive opponent – also advanced in age – picks up



    Yes. I can’t believe I’m going to have to vote for Biden again.  I wonder if either of them will make it to 2028 
    In a vacuum, I don't want to vote for him either... we're on the same page there. 
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,697
    brianlux said:
    You ever get the feeling we are just totally screwed with this coming election?

    Biden mistakes dead European leader for living one – for second time in a week

    President’s gaffes stoke concern over his age as election campaign against his presumptive opponent – also advanced in age – picks up



    Yes. I can’t believe I’m going to have to vote for Biden again.  I wonder if either of them will make it to 2028 

    No kidding!  Two worn out old dudes.  Of course, I could never even dream of voting for Trump, and Biden is too mentally old for a job that he would have to carry on doing for close to five more years.  The whole mess is beginning to feel extremely hopeless. 
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,000
    edited February 8
    brianlux said:
    You ever get the feeling we are just totally screwed with this coming election?

    Biden mistakes dead European leader for living one – for second time in a week

    President’s gaffes stoke concern over his age as election campaign against his presumptive opponent – also advanced in age – picks up



    I've been waiting for the "I see dead people" memes to show up. This onw is even worse, I think he said it 3 different times in 1 night. 
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,822
    He needed to announce some time last year that he was not going to run again. Nobody would blame him. I voted for him as a stop-gap because his party 1) recognized they didn't have a deep bench and 2) thought his ties to Obama made him most likely to beat Trump. Fine but he and the party should have done a better job getting for this moment. And now, because of the Orange Menace, I can't even consider voting 3rd. 

    The people that don't live in left/right echo chambers must really be annoyed at the 160 combined years of mediocrity and/or mobsterism at the top of the two tickets. Seems like a fresh-faced 55-year-old would have some advantage with the them...

    This all sucks.
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,697
    OnWis97 said:
    He needed to announce some time last year that he was not going to run again. Nobody would blame him. I voted for him as a stop-gap because his party 1) recognized they didn't have a deep bench and 2) thought his ties to Obama made him most likely to beat Trump. Fine but he and the party should have done a better job getting for this moment. And now, because of the Orange Menace, I can't even consider voting 3rd. 

    The people that don't live in left/right echo chambers must really be annoyed at the 160 combined years of mediocrity and/or mobsterism at the top of the two tickets. Seems like a fresh-faced 55-year-old would have some advantage with the them...

    This all sucks.

    Hate to say it, but we may have to wait until 2028 for better things to happen.
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,000
    OnWis97 said:
    He needed to announce some time last year that he was not going to run again. Nobody would blame him. I voted for him as a stop-gap because his party 1) recognized they didn't have a deep bench and 2) thought his ties to Obama made him most likely to beat Trump. Fine but he and the party should have done a better job getting for this moment. And now, because of the Orange Menace, I can't even consider voting 3rd. 

    The people that don't live in left/right echo chambers must really be annoyed at the 160 combined years of mediocrity and/or mobsterism at the top of the two tickets. Seems like a fresh-faced 55-year-old would have some advantage with the them...

    This all sucks.
    Up until even less than a year ago, I was saying Trump has no chance of being the nominee.
    I still can't believe I was wrong. And cant believe the dems didn't support a different candidate starting a year or 2 ago. 
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,114
    brianlux said:
    OnWis97 said:
    He needed to announce some time last year that he was not going to run again. Nobody would blame him. I voted for him as a stop-gap because his party 1) recognized they didn't have a deep bench and 2) thought his ties to Obama made him most likely to beat Trump. Fine but he and the party should have done a better job getting for this moment. And now, because of the Orange Menace, I can't even consider voting 3rd. 

    The people that don't live in left/right echo chambers must really be annoyed at the 160 combined years of mediocrity and/or mobsterism at the top of the two tickets. Seems like a fresh-faced 55-year-old would have some advantage with the them...

    This all sucks.

    Hate to say it, but we may have to wait until 2028 for better things to happen.


    Eek we may not be voting as we now know it in 2028. We know if Trump wins he will look to change the system in his favor.

    Biden couldn’t recall what year his son passed? Holy eff, this may be game over.
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,093
    mace1229 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    He needed to announce some time last year that he was not going to run again. Nobody would blame him. I voted for him as a stop-gap because his party 1) recognized they didn't have a deep bench and 2) thought his ties to Obama made him most likely to beat Trump. Fine but he and the party should have done a better job getting for this moment. And now, because of the Orange Menace, I can't even consider voting 3rd. 

    The people that don't live in left/right echo chambers must really be annoyed at the 160 combined years of mediocrity and/or mobsterism at the top of the two tickets. Seems like a fresh-faced 55-year-old would have some advantage with the them...

    This all sucks.
    Up until even less than a year ago, I was saying Trump has no chance of being the nominee.
    I still can't believe I was wrong. And cant believe the dems didn't support a different candidate starting a year or 2 ago. 
    I said it about trump the entire time he was running the first go 'round.  No way he'd win the nomination....and then of course he did.  Then, no way he would win the general election...and then of course he did.  So I stopped thinking he wouldn't and just now hope he wouldn't.  And vote he won't all along.
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,954
    mace1229 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    He needed to announce some time last year that he was not going to run again. Nobody would blame him. I voted for him as a stop-gap because his party 1) recognized they didn't have a deep bench and 2) thought his ties to Obama made him most likely to beat Trump. Fine but he and the party should have done a better job getting for this moment. And now, because of the Orange Menace, I can't even consider voting 3rd. 

    The people that don't live in left/right echo chambers must really be annoyed at the 160 combined years of mediocrity and/or mobsterism at the top of the two tickets. Seems like a fresh-faced 55-year-old would have some advantage with the them...

    This all sucks.
    Up until even less than a year ago, I was saying Trump has no chance of being the nominee.
    I still can't believe I was wrong. And cant believe the dems didn't support a different candidate starting a year or 2 ago. 
    I said it about trump the entire time he was running the first go 'round.  No way he'd win the nomination....and then of course he did.  Then, no way he would win the general election...and then of course he did.  So I stopped thinking he wouldn't and just now hope he wouldn't.  And vote he won't all along.
    Yeah...I've been in disbelief the entire time. Still can't believe there are enough idiots that support him.

    But I'm resigned to just accepting whatever happens. If the stupid morons outnumber us then so be it. God bless Amurikkka.
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,822
    mace1229 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    He needed to announce some time last year that he was not going to run again. Nobody would blame him. I voted for him as a stop-gap because his party 1) recognized they didn't have a deep bench and 2) thought his ties to Obama made him most likely to beat Trump. Fine but he and the party should have done a better job getting for this moment. And now, because of the Orange Menace, I can't even consider voting 3rd. 

    The people that don't live in left/right echo chambers must really be annoyed at the 160 combined years of mediocrity and/or mobsterism at the top of the two tickets. Seems like a fresh-faced 55-year-old would have some advantage with the them...

    This all sucks.
    Up until even less than a year ago, I was saying Trump has no chance of being the nominee.
    I still can't believe I was wrong. And cant believe the dems didn't support a different candidate starting a year or 2 ago. 
    I said it about trump the entire time he was running the first go 'round.  No way he'd win the nomination....and then of course he did.  Then, no way he would win the general election...and then of course he did.  So I stopped thinking he wouldn't and just now hope he wouldn't.  And vote he won't all along.
    Yeah...I've been in disbelief the entire time. Still can't believe there are enough idiots that support him.

    But I'm resigned to just accepting whatever happens. If the stupid morons outnumber us then so be it. God bless Amurikkka.
    He doesn't really lose anyone. I mean, there are probably a few anecdotes out there but the devotion cannot really be undone because of anything logical. Unfortunately, the whole "being a victim" thing seems to be contagious and help him pick more people up than he loses. Elon Musk has become Donald Trump right before our eyes. And I don't think it's totally unusual.
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,954
    OnWis97 said:
    mace1229 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    He needed to announce some time last year that he was not going to run again. Nobody would blame him. I voted for him as a stop-gap because his party 1) recognized they didn't have a deep bench and 2) thought his ties to Obama made him most likely to beat Trump. Fine but he and the party should have done a better job getting for this moment. And now, because of the Orange Menace, I can't even consider voting 3rd. 

    The people that don't live in left/right echo chambers must really be annoyed at the 160 combined years of mediocrity and/or mobsterism at the top of the two tickets. Seems like a fresh-faced 55-year-old would have some advantage with the them...

    This all sucks.
    Up until even less than a year ago, I was saying Trump has no chance of being the nominee.
    I still can't believe I was wrong. And cant believe the dems didn't support a different candidate starting a year or 2 ago. 
    I said it about trump the entire time he was running the first go 'round.  No way he'd win the nomination....and then of course he did.  Then, no way he would win the general election...and then of course he did.  So I stopped thinking he wouldn't and just now hope he wouldn't.  And vote he won't all along.
    Yeah...I've been in disbelief the entire time. Still can't believe there are enough idiots that support him.

    But I'm resigned to just accepting whatever happens. If the stupid morons outnumber us then so be it. God bless Amurikkka.
    He doesn't really lose anyone. I mean, there are probably a few anecdotes out there but the devotion cannot really be undone because of anything logical. Unfortunately, the whole "being a victim" thing seems to be contagious and help him pick more people up than he loses. Elon Musk has become Donald Trump right before our eyes. And I don't think it's totally unusual.
    There is polling that shows tRump losing support IF he is convicted of a crime. That's our next hurdle.

    My concern is with who tRump would put in positions around him. It's like a fucking clown car unloading morons on our system.  

    I don't think a second tRump presidency would even get people like Pompeo/Mattis/Tillerson, etc. It's going to be Defense Sec Boebert, Sec of State MTG, AG Alex Jones, etc.
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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
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    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,261
    At least he's running against Trump. Haley might crush him at this point...however I suspect he wouldn't be running if Trump wasn't running .
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    WashingtonCNN — 

    Special counsel Robert Hur’s report released Thursday did not charge President Joe Biden with a crime, but it painted a picture of a forgetful commander in chief who failed to properly protect highly sensitive classified information – a depiction that could hurt Biden politically.

    The special counsel report found that Biden willfully retained classified information, including top secret documents, and knew he was in possession of some documents as far back as 2017. He also shared some of that information with the ghostwriter of his 2017 memoir.

    The special counsel decided not to charge the president in the case – primarily because he found that nothing proved a willful intent by Biden to illegally hold onto classified information and his cooperation with the investigation.

    Yet, in a politically damaging line of reasoning, Hur wrote that one reason Biden wasn’t going to be prosecuted was because he would present to a jury as an elderly man “with a poor memory.” Biden’s lawyers objected to the description – calling it “investigative excess” and accusing Hur of flouting Justice Department rules and norms.

    The report is sure to become an issue in the 2024 campaign – where Biden’s likely opponent, Donald Trump, is facing criminal charges for his handling of classified material, even though Hur made clear how different the two cases were.

    A painful report for Biden

    Hur laid out in detail how Biden mishandled classified materials, writing that FBI agents discovered materials from “the garage, offices, and basement den in Mr. Biden’s Wilmington, Delaware, home.”

    The materials included classified documents, including some marked at the highest top secret/sensitive compartmented information level, related to military and foreign policy in Afghanistan, as well as and notebooks “containing Mr. Biden’s handwritten entries about issues of national security and foreign policy implicating sensitive intelligence source and methods.”

    The special counsel raised Biden’s age and memory in explaining why he didn’t bring charges.

    “We have also considered that, at trial, Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory,” Hur wrote.

    “Mr. Biden’s memory also appeared to have significant limitations,” Hur wrote in another passage, adding that his conversations with his ghost writer “from 2017 are often painfully slow, with Mr. Biden struggling to remember events and straining at times to read and relay his own notebook entries."

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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,954
    At least he's running against Trump. Haley might crush him at this point...however I suspect he wouldn't be running if Trump wasn't running .
    I'm fine with Haley. Anyone but tRump.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,822
    OnWis97 said:
    mace1229 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    He needed to announce some time last year that he was not going to run again. Nobody would blame him. I voted for him as a stop-gap because his party 1) recognized they didn't have a deep bench and 2) thought his ties to Obama made him most likely to beat Trump. Fine but he and the party should have done a better job getting for this moment. And now, because of the Orange Menace, I can't even consider voting 3rd. 

    The people that don't live in left/right echo chambers must really be annoyed at the 160 combined years of mediocrity and/or mobsterism at the top of the two tickets. Seems like a fresh-faced 55-year-old would have some advantage with the them...

    This all sucks.
    Up until even less than a year ago, I was saying Trump has no chance of being the nominee.
    I still can't believe I was wrong. And cant believe the dems didn't support a different candidate starting a year or 2 ago. 
    I said it about trump the entire time he was running the first go 'round.  No way he'd win the nomination....and then of course he did.  Then, no way he would win the general election...and then of course he did.  So I stopped thinking he wouldn't and just now hope he wouldn't.  And vote he won't all along.
    Yeah...I've been in disbelief the entire time. Still can't believe there are enough idiots that support him.

    But I'm resigned to just accepting whatever happens. If the stupid morons outnumber us then so be it. God bless Amurikkka.
    He doesn't really lose anyone. I mean, there are probably a few anecdotes out there but the devotion cannot really be undone because of anything logical. Unfortunately, the whole "being a victim" thing seems to be contagious and help him pick more people up than he loses. Elon Musk has become Donald Trump right before our eyes. And I don't think it's totally unusual.
    There is polling that shows tRump losing support IF he is convicted of a crime. That's our next hurdle.

    My concern is with who tRump would put in positions around him. It's like a fucking clown car unloading morons on our system.  

    I don't think a second tRump presidency would even get people like Pompeo/Mattis/Tillerson, etc. It's going to be Defense Sec Boebert, Sec of State MTG, AG Alex Jones, etc.
    Biden might be as old and un-sharp as his detractors think. So might Trump. So it's absolutely about the people that are around him (which is why it pains me a bit less to vote for him).

    While I'm obviously happy Trump lost, the potential backfire is that now he and his handlers have had time to learn from their mistakes; the biggest of which is not doing a good job of vetting for complete and total loyalty to DJT, MAGA, and one-party dictatorship. If he wins, there will be no disloyalty anywhere. His running mate will be committed to never allowing a Dem presidential victory to be certified. Loyalty to Trump will be the only thing that matters in the federal government.
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