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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,007
    There is still the Cheney wildcard. She might run third party to slurp some votes away. Which I support.

    It just pains me that tRump still has that much support. He doesn't fucking deserve it.
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    sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 1,443

    Special counsel blows open debate over Biden age and memory: ANALYSIS

    A report on Biden's handling of classified documents carried a political punch.

    February 8, 2024, 3:31 PM

    The legal headline -- that President Joe Biden will not face prosecution in connection with his handling of classified documents, in stark contrast with the former president he is set to run against again -- is not what carries the political punch.

    Instead, the special counsel's extended rationale for why Biden would likely not be convicted is what immediately stirred up fresh questions about the president's ability to continue to do the job.

    The report from special counsel Robert Hur found that "no criminal charges are warranted in this matter," despite evidence that Biden retained classified documents related to Afghanistan policy from his time as vice president, and even shared them with a ghostwriter to aid in his memoirs.

    Things get worse from there in Hur's accounting, drawing specifically on the recorded interactions the president had, voluntarily, with the special counsel's office. In the interviews last October, the president had "limited precision and recall," according to Hur, who ultimately found that a jury would likely find Biden to be "a sympathetic, well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory."

    "Based on our direct interactions with and observations of him, he is someone for whom many jurors will want to identify reasonable doubt," Hur writes. "It would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him -- by then a former president well into his eighties -- of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness."

    Specifically, Hur writes that Biden, now 81, did not remember when his time as vice president either began or ended; did not recall the date of his son's death "even within several years"; and had a "hazy" memory about key players in the Obama administration's Afghanistan debate that was "once so important to him" – the subject on which Biden was found to have retained documents, to aid in a historical retelling of his role.

    Details ostensibly meant in part to explain a lack of criminal liability border on mockery. The special counsel's report -- which includes ample photographs -- states flatly that a cache of Afghanistan documents Biden kept at his Delaware home were stored "in a badly damaged box in the garage, near a collapsed dog crate, a dog bed, a Zappos box, an empty bucket, a broken lamp wrapped with duct tape, potting soil, and synthetic firewood."

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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,831
    There is still the Cheney wildcard. She might run third party to slurp some votes away. Which I support.

    It just pains me that tRump still has that much support. He doesn't fucking deserve it.
    It's really amazing. 

    A third of the country really believes:
    • He has a super-human love for America and gave up his billionaire lifestyle when just about everything he ever says/tweets/posts is clearly all about himself and he's constantly getting money from them.
    • He's a Christian savior when he seems to be an agnostic.* Not to mention having  cheated on three wives.
    • He's a brilliant businessman, when he's just a guy born into money and has been a sub-par casino tycoon.
    • He relates to, and is fighting for, the working man (and against the élite) when he's never washed a dish, mowed a lawn, applied for a job, or filled a gas tank. Oh yeah; and an NYC-born silverspooner who attended an Ivy League school. The only thing even close to relatable to the average American is his love of fast food.
    • He's an alpha male when his primary personality trait is being a victim and he's never done anything "alpha."** Oh, and his petulant whining every time he loses anything (an Emmy, a caucus, an election).
    • He's going to save America when at best he admires dictators and at worst would sell us out to one for his own benefit without thinking twice.
    • He's smart when, well, come on...
    *As am I; so it doesn't bother me that he doesn't know much about the bible; but the way the religious right sees him is mind blowing.
    **Another one I don't care about but the label is so funny.
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,359
    OnWis97 said:
    There is still the Cheney wildcard. She might run third party to slurp some votes away. Which I support.

    It just pains me that tRump still has that much support. He doesn't fucking deserve it.
    It's really amazing. 

    A third of the country really believes:
    • He has a super-human love for America and gave up his billionaire lifestyle when just about everything he ever says/tweets/posts is clearly all about himself and he's constantly getting money from them.
    • He's a Christian savior when he seems to be an agnostic.* Not to mention having  cheated on three wives.
    • He's a brilliant businessman, when he's just a guy born into money and has been a sub-par casino tycoon.
    • He relates to, and is fighting for, the working man (and against the élite) when he's never washed a dish, mowed a lawn, applied for a job, or filled a gas tank. Oh yeah; and an NYC-born silverspooner who attended an Ivy League school. The only thing even close to relatable to the average American is his love of fast food.
    • He's an alpha male when his primary personality trait is being a victim and he's never done anything "alpha."** Oh, and his petulant whining every time he loses anything (an Emmy, a caucus, an election).
    • He's going to save America when at best he admires dictators and at worst would sell us out to one for his own benefit without thinking twice.
    • He's smart when, well, come on...
    *As am I; so it doesn't bother me that he doesn't know much about the bible; but the way the religious right sees him is mind blowing.
    **Another one I don't care about but the label is so funny.
    Gotta say, I really appreciate your use of the bullet points here. Hell of a post. 
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,167
    shecky said:

    Special counsel blows open debate over Biden age and memory: ANALYSIS

    A report on Biden's handling of classified documents carried a political punch.

    February 8, 2024, 3:31 PM

    The legal headline -- that President Joe Biden will not face prosecution in connection with his handling of classified documents, in stark contrast with the former president he is set to run against again -- is not what carries the political punch.

    Instead, the special counsel's extended rationale for why Biden would likely not be convicted is what immediately stirred up fresh questions about the president's ability to continue to do the job.

    The report from special counsel Robert Hur found that "no criminal charges are warranted in this matter," despite evidence that Biden retained classified documents related to Afghanistan policy from his time as vice president, and even shared them with a ghostwriter to aid in his memoirs.

    Things get worse from there in Hur's accounting, drawing specifically on the recorded interactions the president had, voluntarily, with the special counsel's office. In the interviews last October, the president had "limited precision and recall," according to Hur, who ultimately found that a jury would likely find Biden to be "a sympathetic, well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory."

    "Based on our direct interactions with and observations of him, he is someone for whom many jurors will want to identify reasonable doubt," Hur writes. "It would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him -- by then a former president well into his eighties -- of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness."

    Specifically, Hur writes that Biden, now 81, did not remember when his time as vice president either began or ended; did not recall the date of his son's death "even within several years"; and had a "hazy" memory about key players in the Obama administration's Afghanistan debate that was "once so important to him" – the subject on which Biden was found to have retained documents, to aid in a historical retelling of his role.

    Details ostensibly meant in part to explain a lack of criminal liability border on mockery. The special counsel's report -- which includes ample photographs -- states flatly that a cache of Afghanistan documents Biden kept at his Delaware home were stored "in a badly damaged box in the garage, near a collapsed dog crate, a dog bed, a Zappos box, an empty bucket, a broken lamp wrapped with duct tape, potting soil, and synthetic firewood."


    I don’t know shecky, you’ve  posted on this topic twice, me once, and team Biden here is completely ignoring possibly the biggest story about Biden during his first term.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,709
    shecky said:

    Special counsel blows open debate over Biden age and memory: ANALYSIS

    A report on Biden's handling of classified documents carried a political punch.

    February 8, 2024, 3:31 PM

    The legal headline -- that President Joe Biden will not face prosecution in connection with his handling of classified documents, in stark contrast with the former president he is set to run against again -- is not what carries the political punch.

    Instead, the special counsel's extended rationale for why Biden would likely not be convicted is what immediately stirred up fresh questions about the president's ability to continue to do the job.

    The report from special counsel Robert Hur found that "no criminal charges are warranted in this matter," despite evidence that Biden retained classified documents related to Afghanistan policy from his time as vice president, and even shared them with a ghostwriter to aid in his memoirs.

    Things get worse from there in Hur's accounting, drawing specifically on the recorded interactions the president had, voluntarily, with the special counsel's office. In the interviews last October, the president had "limited precision and recall," according to Hur, who ultimately found that a jury would likely find Biden to be "a sympathetic, well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory."

    "Based on our direct interactions with and observations of him, he is someone for whom many jurors will want to identify reasonable doubt," Hur writes. "It would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him -- by then a former president well into his eighties -- of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness."

    Specifically, Hur writes that Biden, now 81, did not remember when his time as vice president either began or ended; did not recall the date of his son's death "even within several years"; and had a "hazy" memory about key players in the Obama administration's Afghanistan debate that was "once so important to him" – the subject on which Biden was found to have retained documents, to aid in a historical retelling of his role.

    Details ostensibly meant in part to explain a lack of criminal liability border on mockery. The special counsel's report -- which includes ample photographs -- states flatly that a cache of Afghanistan documents Biden kept at his Delaware home were stored "in a badly damaged box in the garage, near a collapsed dog crate, a dog bed, a Zappos box, an empty bucket, a broken lamp wrapped with duct tape, potting soil, and synthetic firewood."

    Meh. I was told Obama was really in charge.  Since right wing news never makes things up, it must be true. Therefore this has no effect on the handling of the country. 

    By contrast, since Trump listens to no one,  we should be more concerned about his many gaffes and mistakes he is making. Maybe Eric Trump can really call the shots.  He seems pretty smart. 
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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,547
    Trump blamed Nikki Haley for what happened on 1/6 recently, so… 🤷‍♂️
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,709
    Trump blamed Nikki Haley for what happened on 1/6 recently, so… 🤷‍♂️
    Nikki is responsible for a peaceful protest by Antifa members led by Ray Epps? You don't say...
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    sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 1,443

    President Biden addressed the nation Thursday night (Feb. 8, 2024), saying his memory is "fine" and defended his re-election campaign, saying he is the "most qualified person in this country to be president."

    Moments later, though, Biden transitioned to discuss the conflict in the Middle East.

    Biden referred to Abdel Fattah El-Sisi, the president of Egypt, as "the president of Mexico."

    Biden's address to the nation from the White House Thursday night comes just hours after Special Counsel Robert Hur released his report, which did not recommend criminal charges against the president for mishandling classified documents. Those records included classified documents about military and foreign policy in Afghanistan, among other records related to national security and foreign policy which Hur said implicated "sensitive intelligence sources and methods." 

    Hur, though, described Biden as a "sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory." Hur, throughout the more than 300-page report, said "it would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him" of a serious felony "that requires a mental state of willfulness," and said he would be "well into his eighties." 

    Biden, on Thursday night, said he agreed.

    "I'm well-meaning and I'm an elderly man and I know what the hell I'm doing," Biden said. "I've been president. I put this country back on its feet. I don't need his recommendation."

    Biden added: "My memory is fine."

    Moments later, though, Biden transitioned to discuss the conflict in the Middle East.

    Biden referred to Abdel Fattah El-Sisi, the president of Egypt, as "the president of Mexico."

    During his address, Biden also fired back at Special Counsel Robert Hur for suggesting he did not remember when his son Beau died.

    "How dare he raise that?" Biden said. "Frankly, when I was asked a question, I thought to myself, what's that any of your damn business?"

    "Let me tell you something...I swear, since the day he died, every single day...I wear the rosary he got from Our Lady--" Biden stopped, seemingly forgetting where the rosary was from.

    Posted by Brooke Singman
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    CROJAM95CROJAM95 Posts: 9,272
    Old vs old& nuts

    hmmmm
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,996
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,704
    OnWis97 said:
    There is still the Cheney wildcard. She might run third party to slurp some votes away. Which I support.

    It just pains me that tRump still has that much support. He doesn't fucking deserve it.
    It's really amazing. 

    A third of the country really believes:
    • He has a super-human love for America and gave up his billionaire lifestyle when just about everything he ever says/tweets/posts is clearly all about himself and he's constantly getting money from them.
    • He's a Christian savior when he seems to be an agnostic.* Not to mention having  cheated on three wives.
    • He's a brilliant businessman, when he's just a guy born into money and has been a sub-par casino tycoon.
    • He relates to, and is fighting for, the working man (and against the élite) when he's never washed a dish, mowed a lawn, applied for a job, or filled a gas tank. Oh yeah; and an NYC-born silverspooner who attended an Ivy League school. The only thing even close to relatable to the average American is his love of fast food.
    • He's an alpha male when his primary personality trait is being a victim and he's never done anything "alpha."** Oh, and his petulant whining every time he loses anything (an Emmy, a caucus, an election).
    • He's going to save America when at best he admires dictators and at worst would sell us out to one for his own benefit without thinking twice.
    • He's smart when, well, come on...
    *As am I; so it doesn't bother me that he doesn't know much about the bible; but the way the religious right sees him is mind blowing.
    **Another one I don't care about but the label is so funny.
    It's a cult.
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,996
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    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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    benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 8,942
    edited February 9
    shecky said:

    President Biden addressed the nation Thursday night (Feb. 8, 2024), saying his memory is "fine" and defended his re-election campaign, saying he is the "most qualified person in this country to be president."

    Moments later, though, Biden transitioned to discuss the conflict in the Middle East.

    Biden referred to Abdel Fattah El-Sisi, the president of Egypt, as "the president of Mexico."

    Biden's address to the nation from the White House Thursday night comes just hours after Special Counsel Robert Hur released his report, which did not recommend criminal charges against the president for mishandling classified documents. Those records included classified documents about military and foreign policy in Afghanistan, among other records related to national security and foreign policy which Hur said implicated "sensitive intelligence sources and methods." 

    Hur, though, described Biden as a "sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory." Hur, throughout the more than 300-page report, said "it would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him" of a serious felony "that requires a mental state of willfulness," and said he would be "well into his eighties." 

    Biden, on Thursday night, said he agreed.

    "I'm well-meaning and I'm an elderly man and I know what the hell I'm doing," Biden said. "I've been president. I put this country back on its feet. I don't need his recommendation."

    Biden added: "My memory is fine."

    Moments later, though, Biden transitioned to discuss the conflict in the Middle East.

    Biden referred to Abdel Fattah El-Sisi, the president of Egypt, as "the president of Mexico."

    During his address, Biden also fired back at Special Counsel Robert Hur for suggesting he did not remember when his son Beau died.

    "How dare he raise that?" Biden said. "Frankly, when I was asked a question, I thought to myself, what's that any of your damn business?"

    "Let me tell you something...I swear, since the day he died, every single day...I wear the rosary he got from Our Lady--" Biden stopped, seemingly forgetting where the rosary was from.

    Posted by Brooke Singman
    Fox News digital
    See where you mention it’s from Fox News digital? Boom. Instant Democrat repellant. Won’t have any impact at all. Even shared here with liberals, there’s little enough respect for the conservative viewpoint that the conservative lobbed criticisms - historically lacking proportionality and filled with immediately apparent double standards - are almost certain to be without impact. 
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    sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 1,443

    Biden tries to lay to rest age concerns, but may have exacerbated them

    Stephen CollinsonAnalysis by Stephen Collinson, CNN 8 minute read Published 11:11 PM EST, Thu February 8, 2024

    (CNN-) A probe that spared President Joe Biden from criminal charges paradoxically dealt him a threatening political blow.Special counsel Robert Hur’s report released Thursday on Biden’s handling of classified documents effectively ended the matter. But his assertions that Biden was elderly and forgetful ignited a political firestorm that cut directly to the heart of the president’s chief vulnerability in the 2024 election.The White House knew it had a huge political problem on its hands.

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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,547
    It really sucks we can't come up w/ better candidates for president, but if this election's going to come down to a well intentioned man with memory issues vs an ill intentioned man with memory issues, it's still a no brainer for me.
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    benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 8,942
    It really sucks we can't come up w/ better candidates for president, but if this election's going to come down to a well intentioned man with memory issues vs an ill intentioned man with memory issues, it's still a no brainer for me.
    Agreed - though posts like the one Shecky shared from CNN could have an impact. Will it be material? Time will tell, but I suspect not.
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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,547
    edited February 9
    benjs said:
    It really sucks we can't come up w/ better candidates for president, but if this election's going to come down to a well intentioned man with memory issues vs an ill intentioned man with memory issues, it's still a no brainer for me.
    Agreed - though posts like the one Shecky shared from CNN could have an impact. Will it be material? Time will tell, but I suspect not.
    No doubt, we're going to see a ton of this. It's also February... narratives and polling and a whole lot of other variables are going to change over the next 9 months. 

    Buckle up. 
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,007
    edited February 9
    shecky said:

    Special counsel blows open debate over Biden age and memory: ANALYSIS

    A report on Biden's handling of classified documents carried a political punch.

    February 8, 2024, 3:31 PM

    The legal headline -- that President Joe Biden will not face prosecution in connection with his handling of classified documents, in stark contrast with the former president he is set to run against again -- is not what carries the political punch.

    Instead, the special counsel's extended rationale for why Biden would likely not be convicted is what immediately stirred up fresh questions about the president's ability to continue to do the job.

    The report from special counsel Robert Hur found that "no criminal charges are warranted in this matter," despite evidence that Biden retained classified documents related to Afghanistan policy from his time as vice president, and even shared them with a ghostwriter to aid in his memoirs.

    Things get worse from there in Hur's accounting, drawing specifically on the recorded interactions the president had, voluntarily, with the special counsel's office. In the interviews last October, the president had "limited precision and recall," according to Hur, who ultimately found that a jury would likely find Biden to be "a sympathetic, well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory."

    "Based on our direct interactions with and observations of him, he is someone for whom many jurors will want to identify reasonable doubt," Hur writes. "It would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him -- by then a former president well into his eighties -- of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness."

    Specifically, Hur writes that Biden, now 81, did not remember when his time as vice president either began or ended; did not recall the date of his son's death "even within several years"; and had a "hazy" memory about key players in the Obama administration's Afghanistan debate that was "once so important to him" – the subject on which Biden was found to have retained documents, to aid in a historical retelling of his role.

    Details ostensibly meant in part to explain a lack of criminal liability border on mockery. The special counsel's report -- which includes ample photographs -- states flatly that a cache of Afghanistan documents Biden kept at his Delaware home were stored "in a badly damaged box in the garage, near a collapsed dog crate, a dog bed, a Zappos box, an empty bucket, a broken lamp wrapped with duct tape, potting soil, and synthetic firewood."


    I don’t know shecky, you’ve  posted on this topic twice, me once, and team Biden here is completely ignoring possibly the biggest story about Biden during his first term.
    The biggest story being that no charges will be filed? The memory thing is clearly a political hit job because the guy knows the GOP is going to shred him for not filing charges that shouldn't be filed. The guy had to give them something to chew on.

    Listen to Biden speak about policy and the country and compare it to tRUmp. There is no comparison.

    And to add...give Garland credit for allowing the release of that verbiage. He could have demanded a brief report that didn't delve into mental health issues that the special counsel has no business in evaluating. And we can imagine the GOP response to finding out that the special counsel report was scrubbed.
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,007
    edited February 9
    Plus...the report starts off stating that no charges were warranted even if the DOJ were allowed to prosecute a sitting president. It then lays out the differences between Biden's case and tRump's and states that Biden cooperated, he was willing to answer questions and get everything resolved, etc. Compared to tRump lying about what he had, hiding what he had, etc.

    Focus on the memory bullshit all you want. The focus should be on the facts.

    Also...listen to Biden's response. He basically says that the guy is full of shit saying he doesn't know the date his son died...that when asked he said that date didn't matter, etc.
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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,547
    shecky said:

    Special counsel blows open debate over Biden age and memory: ANALYSIS

    A report on Biden's handling of classified documents carried a political punch.

    February 8, 2024, 3:31 PM

    The legal headline -- that President Joe Biden will not face prosecution in connection with his handling of classified documents, in stark contrast with the former president he is set to run against again -- is not what carries the political punch.

    Instead, the special counsel's extended rationale for why Biden would likely not be convicted is what immediately stirred up fresh questions about the president's ability to continue to do the job.

    The report from special counsel Robert Hur found that "no criminal charges are warranted in this matter," despite evidence that Biden retained classified documents related to Afghanistan policy from his time as vice president, and even shared them with a ghostwriter to aid in his memoirs.

    Things get worse from there in Hur's accounting, drawing specifically on the recorded interactions the president had, voluntarily, with the special counsel's office. In the interviews last October, the president had "limited precision and recall," according to Hur, who ultimately found that a jury would likely find Biden to be "a sympathetic, well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory."

    "Based on our direct interactions with and observations of him, he is someone for whom many jurors will want to identify reasonable doubt," Hur writes. "It would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him -- by then a former president well into his eighties -- of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness."

    Specifically, Hur writes that Biden, now 81, did not remember when his time as vice president either began or ended; did not recall the date of his son's death "even within several years"; and had a "hazy" memory about key players in the Obama administration's Afghanistan debate that was "once so important to him" – the subject on which Biden was found to have retained documents, to aid in a historical retelling of his role.

    Details ostensibly meant in part to explain a lack of criminal liability border on mockery. The special counsel's report -- which includes ample photographs -- states flatly that a cache of Afghanistan documents Biden kept at his Delaware home were stored "in a badly damaged box in the garage, near a collapsed dog crate, a dog bed, a Zappos box, an empty bucket, a broken lamp wrapped with duct tape, potting soil, and synthetic firewood."


    I don’t know shecky, you’ve  posted on this topic twice, me once, and team Biden here is completely ignoring possibly the biggest story about Biden during his first term.

    If by 'completely ignoring it' you mean not succumbing to hysteria and pissing their pants over it, yeah... people are completely ignoring it. 
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    Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,706
    shecky said:

    Biden tries to lay to rest age concerns, but may have exacerbated them

    Stephen Collinson
    Analysis by Stephen Collinson, CNN
     8 minute read 
    Published 11:11 PM EST, Thu February 8, 2024

    (CNN-) A probe that spared President Joe Biden from criminal charges paradoxically dealt him a threatening political blow.

    Special counsel Robert Hur’s report released Thursday on Biden’s handling of classified documents effectively ended the matter. But his assertions that Biden was elderly and forgetful ignited a political firestorm that cut directly to the heart of the president’s chief vulnerability in the 2024 election.

    The White House knew it had a huge political problem on its hands. 

    The press always plays along with the narrative that these things spell trouble for dems and that they’ll lose votes, while with the same issues with republicans are framed up as how they maintain their appeal. 
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,996
    shecky said:

    Biden tries to lay to rest age concerns, but may have exacerbated them

    Stephen Collinson
    Analysis by Stephen Collinson, CNN
     8 minute read 
    Published 11:11 PM EST, Thu February 8, 2024

    (CNN-) A probe that spared President Joe Biden from criminal charges paradoxically dealt him a threatening political blow.

    Special counsel Robert Hur’s report released Thursday on Biden’s handling of classified documents effectively ended the matter. But his assertions that Biden was elderly and forgetful ignited a political firestorm that cut directly to the heart of the president’s chief vulnerability in the 2024 election.

    The White House knew it had a huge political problem on its hands. 

    The press always plays along with the narrative that these things spell trouble for dems and that they’ll lose votes, while with the same issues with republicans are framed up as how they maintain their appeal. 
    another thing to note, this isnt a news article. This is an opinion piece as noted by the Analysis tag line....
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,040
    OnWis97 said:
    There is still the Cheney wildcard. She might run third party to slurp some votes away. Which I support.

    It just pains me that tRump still has that much support. He doesn't fucking deserve it.
    It's really amazing. 

    A third of the country really believes:
    • He has a super-human love for America and gave up his billionaire lifestyle when just about everything he ever says/tweets/posts is clearly all about himself and he's constantly getting money from them.
    • He's a Christian savior when he seems to be an agnostic.* Not to mention having  cheated on three wives.
    • He's a brilliant businessman, when he's just a guy born into money and has been a sub-par casino tycoon.
    • He relates to, and is fighting for, the working man (and against the élite) when he's never washed a dish, mowed a lawn, applied for a job, or filled a gas tank. Oh yeah; and an NYC-born silverspooner who attended an Ivy League school. The only thing even close to relatable to the average American is his love of fast food.
    • He's an alpha male when his primary personality trait is being a victim and he's never done anything "alpha."** Oh, and his petulant whining every time he loses anything (an Emmy, a caucus, an election).
    • He's going to save America when at best he admires dictators and at worst would sell us out to one for his own benefit without thinking twice.
    • He's smart when, well, come on...
    *As am I; so it doesn't bother me that he doesn't know much about the bible; but the way the religious right sees him is mind blowing.
    **Another one I don't care about but the label is so funny.
    I said this a while ago, but I don't think most believe that. A lot of votes today are against the other party, and not for their own.
    I hear more about how Biden has a better chance to eat Trump, and thats why he's in and poeple support him.
    Many of the votes for Trump aren't Trump votes, they're just anti-Biden votes. 
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,792
    brianlux said:
    OnWis97 said:
    He needed to announce some time last year that he was not going to run again. Nobody would blame him. I voted for him as a stop-gap because his party 1) recognized they didn't have a deep bench and 2) thought his ties to Obama made him most likely to beat Trump. Fine but he and the party should have done a better job getting for this moment. And now, because of the Orange Menace, I can't even consider voting 3rd. 

    The people that don't live in left/right echo chambers must really be annoyed at the 160 combined years of mediocrity and/or mobsterism at the top of the two tickets. Seems like a fresh-faced 55-year-old would have some advantage with the them...

    This all sucks.

    Hate to say it, but we may have to wait until 2028 for better things to happen.


    Eek we may not be voting as we now know it in 2028. We know if Trump wins he will look to change the system in his favor.

    Biden couldn’t recall what year his son passed? Holy eff, this may be game over.

    While trying to defend himself regarding his cognitive abilities, he screwed up again yesterday.  All of this is getting painfully difficult to watch.
    "It was then that, having protested his memory is all good and his age is not an issue, that Biden put his foot in it again, mistakenly referring to Egypt’s leader Abdel Fatah al-Sisi as “the president of Mexico”. This followed his assertions that in recent days he met François Mitterrand of France and Helmut Kohl of Germany when both were already dead."


    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,792
    It really sucks we can't come up w/ better candidates for president, but if this election's going to come down to a well intentioned man with memory issues vs an ill intentioned man with memory issues, it's still a no brainer for me.

    Yeah, good point.  And really, this is what it comes down to.  We have two choices and clearly, despite his short comings, the better choice is Biden.  Anyone who thinks otherwise is anti-democracy and is in favor of tearing this country down with not one single viable plan to rebuild it.  A vote for Trump is a vote for utter chaos and the death of democracy.  It blows my mind that anyone is in favor of that.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,340
    I’ll vote for Biden twice on Sunday! 🖕🏽🖕🏽🖕🏽all republicans and specially the orange piece of 💩💩
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,340
    How many times did orange 💩 head take the 5th? Or MTG all she kept saying was I don’t remember I can’t recall! 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,547
    mace1229 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    There is still the Cheney wildcard. She might run third party to slurp some votes away. Which I support.

    It just pains me that tRump still has that much support. He doesn't fucking deserve it.
    It's really amazing. 

    A third of the country really believes:
    • He has a super-human love for America and gave up his billionaire lifestyle when just about everything he ever says/tweets/posts is clearly all about himself and he's constantly getting money from them.
    • He's a Christian savior when he seems to be an agnostic.* Not to mention having  cheated on three wives.
    • He's a brilliant businessman, when he's just a guy born into money and has been a sub-par casino tycoon.
    • He relates to, and is fighting for, the working man (and against the élite) when he's never washed a dish, mowed a lawn, applied for a job, or filled a gas tank. Oh yeah; and an NYC-born silverspooner who attended an Ivy League school. The only thing even close to relatable to the average American is his love of fast food.
    • He's an alpha male when his primary personality trait is being a victim and he's never done anything "alpha."** Oh, and his petulant whining every time he loses anything (an Emmy, a caucus, an election).
    • He's going to save America when at best he admires dictators and at worst would sell us out to one for his own benefit without thinking twice.
    • He's smart when, well, come on...
    *As am I; so it doesn't bother me that he doesn't know much about the bible; but the way the religious right sees him is mind blowing.
    **Another one I don't care about but the label is so funny.
    I said this a while ago, but I don't think most believe that. A lot of votes today are against the other party, and not for their own.
    I hear more about how Biden has a better chance to eat Trump, and thats why he's in and poeple support him.
    Many of the votes for Trump aren't Trump votes, they're just anti-Biden votes. 
    I agree about Biden... I don't know too many people who are enthusiastic about voting for him, but I see the opposite for trump, at least the vocal supporters. I have no shortage of co-workers and family members who can't wait to vote for him again. 

    They may not believe the things OnWis97 listed, but they genuinely think he's the answer and going to put the country on the right track, (which is just precious considering how his 1st term went).
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    Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,706
    Special Counsel releases report on Trump after a lengthy investigation. The press: ‘No collusion!’

    Special Counsel releases report on Biden after a lengthy investigation. The press: ‘He’s got puddin’ for brains!’
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