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  • JeBurkhardtJeBurkhardt Posts: 4,967
    DewieCox said:
    Trump only loves himself and Ivanka. 
    Don't forget money.
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,824
    edited February 2022
    DewieCox said:
    Trump only loves himself and Ivanka. 
    Don't forget money.
    He loves to lie about money
    And everything else
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,070
    edited February 2022
    These people have no shame. 

    The rest of the world blames Putin.
    Putin blames Ukraine.
    Trump Republicans blame.... Joe Biden. Unreal. 





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  • These people have no shame. 

    The rest of the world blames Putin.
    Putin blames Ukraine.
    Trump Republicans blame.... Joe Biden. Unreal. 





    Putin is the actor, so clearly he's ultimately responsible for his actions.  

    But, you understand that Biden is President and his actions have created the climate for this to occur?  Why didn't it happen the prior 4 years?  Actions do have repercussions. We are now no longer energy independent, W. Europe relies too much on Russian oil and we've taken any real impact sanctions off the table or threatened them in such a way as to entice invasion.

    Biden polices are to blame. Who else would you blame?  

    Your ignoring Biden's part is like ignoring the parents' responsibility in the recent school shooting. Yeah, they didn't pull the trigger, but they put the gun in his hand. He's ultimately responsible, but they're to blame.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • KatKat Posts: 4,878
    There's so much name-calling and insulting going on that there has been a lot of misinterpretation of the insulting and name-calling. It's time to stop doing that because people think it's being directed at them personally. Discuss the topic without doing that. There are so many important things to discuss. Thank you.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,070
    These people have no shame. 

    The rest of the world blames Putin.
    Putin blames Ukraine.
    Trump Republicans blame.... Joe Biden. Unreal. 





    Putin is the actor, so clearly he's ultimately responsible for his actions.  

    But, you understand that Biden is President and his actions have created the climate for this to occur?  Why didn't it happen the prior 4 years?  Actions do have repercussions. We are now no longer energy independent, W. Europe relies too much on Russian oil and we've taken any real impact sanctions off the table or threatened them in such a way as to entice invasion.

    Biden polices are to blame. Who else would you blame?  

    Your ignoring Biden's part is like ignoring the parents' responsibility in the recent school shooting. Yeah, they didn't pull the trigger, but they put the gun in his hand. He's ultimately responsible, but they're to blame.


    https://www.axios.com/us-energy-independent-petroleum-2982ed18-9110-4c31-ad67-82abe643f661.html

    The U.S. is now energy independent

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    Data: Energy Information Administration. Chart: Axios Visuals

    For decades, politicians have talked about the U.S. achieving energy independence, a seemingly elusive goal of producing enough fuels to avoid relying on the rest of the world to fill up gas tanks and keep electricity flowing.

    The intrigue: It's elusive no more. The U.S. produced more petroleum than it consumed in 2020, and the numbers were essentially in balance in 2021, according to the Energy Information Administration.

    Why it matters: The surge in oil prices taking place in 2022 has radically different implications for the U.S. economy — and for key geopolitical relationships in the Middle East and Russia — than in past episodes when energy prices have risen.

    The big picture: In the past, when oil prices spiked, the impact on the U.S. economy was straightforward: It made America poorer, as more of our income went overseas to pay for imported energy.

    • Now, after the shale gas revolution of the last 15 years, the impact is more subtle. Higher fuel prices disadvantage consumers and energy-intensive industries, yes. But there is a counteracting surge in incomes for domestic energy producers and their workers.
    • Higher oil prices no longer depress overall measures of prosperity like GDP and national income, but rather shift it around toward certain regions. Texas and North Dakota win; Massachusetts and North Carolina lose.

    By the numbers: As recently as 2010, America imported 9.4 million barrels a day of oil more than it exported. That had swung to a 650,000 barrel per day surplus in 2020, and preliminary numbers for 2021 show trade pretty much in balance last year.

    Worth noting: To the degree the U.S. does still import oil, more of it is coming from our closest ally. Canada was the source of 51% of U.S. petroleum imports in the first 10 months of 2021, compared with 8% from the Persian Gulf.

    • By contrast, the Gulf states supplied more than 30% of American petroleum imports in 2008.

    Free idea for an international relations professor: Assign an essay question on how the changing economics of energy could affect America's stance in Middle Eastern diplomacy.

    The impact on geopolitics extends to a potential Russian invasion of Ukraine. Disruptions to European energy supplies would have a less direct effect on the U.S. than they might have in an earlier era.

    The bottom line: When oil prices spike, it's no longer a problem for overall growth—but because energy is a global market, it still means pain for American consumers and the sitting administration.

    Editor's note: This screen originally published on Feb. 17.

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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,765
    These people have no shame. 

    The rest of the world blames Putin.
    Putin blames Ukraine.
    Trump Republicans blame.... Joe Biden. Unreal. 





    Putin is the actor, so clearly he's ultimately responsible for his actions.  

    But, you understand that Biden is President and his actions have created the climate for this to occur?  Why didn't it happen the prior 4 years?  Actions do have repercussions. We are now no longer energy independent, W. Europe relies too much on Russian oil and we've taken any real impact sanctions off the table or threatened them in such a way as to entice invasion.

    Biden polices are to blame. Who else would you blame?  

    Your ignoring Biden's part is like ignoring the parents' responsibility in the recent school shooting. Yeah, they didn't pull the trigger, but they put the gun in his hand. He's ultimately responsible, but they're to blame.


    So you prefer a Russian mafia sympathizer like Trump ? You think it’s better to sympathize with a murderous criminal like Putin than to stand up for freedom and liberty?

    if you have proof that Biden is responsible for Western Europe energy procurement, or certain sanctions are permanently “off the table”please leave such proof here. Otherwise kindly leave misinformation off the forum as we all want to abide by the strict “name calling” rules and posting misinformation about Biden in a time of crisis and supporting the former president who is a sympathizer to a murderous dictator warrants extreme rule breaking here. There is nothing less American than that.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,070
    edited February 2022
    These people have no shame. 

    The rest of the world blames Putin.
    Putin blames Ukraine.
    Trump Republicans blame.... Joe Biden. Unreal. 





    Putin is the actor, so clearly he's ultimately responsible for his actions.  

    But, you understand that Biden is President and his actions have created the climate for this to occur?  Why didn't it happen the prior 4 years?  Actions do have repercussions. We are now no longer energy independent, W. Europe relies too much on Russian oil and we've taken any real impact sanctions off the table or threatened them in such a way as to entice invasion.

    Biden polices are to blame. Who else would you blame?  

    Your ignoring Biden's part is like ignoring the parents' responsibility in the recent school shooting. Yeah, they didn't pull the trigger, but they put the gun in his hand. He's ultimately responsible, but they're to blame.


    So you prefer a Russian mafia sympathizer like Trump ? You think it’s better to sympathize with a murderous criminal like Putin than to stand up for freedom and liberty?

    if you have proof that Biden is responsible for Western Europe energy procurement, or certain sanctions are permanently “off the table”please leave such proof here. Otherwise kindly leave misinformation off the forum as we all want to abide by the strict “name calling” rules and posting misinformation about Biden in a time of crisis and supporting the former president who is a sympathizer to a murderous dictator warrants extreme rule breaking here. There is nothing less American than that.
    When you're on the side of Marge Greene, it might be time to reevaluate.

    I stepped in my dog's shit this morning. I'm blaming Joe Biden completely!



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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,336
    edited February 2022
    I'm really finding this thread to be a great opportunity to learn to rationally discuss things with people who have a perspective that is 180 degrees different from mine or to choose to ignore their comments all together.  Either way, to do otherwise could prove to be very foolish right now.
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  • These people have no shame. 

    The rest of the world blames Putin.
    Putin blames Ukraine.
    Trump Republicans blame.... Joe Biden. Unreal. 





    Putin is the actor, so clearly he's ultimately responsible for his actions.  

    But, you understand that Biden is President and his actions have created the climate for this to occur?  Why didn't it happen the prior 4 years?  Actions do have repercussions. We are now no longer energy independent, W. Europe relies too much on Russian oil and we've taken any real impact sanctions off the table or threatened them in such a way as to entice invasion.

    Biden polices are to blame. Who else would you blame?  

    Your ignoring Biden's part is like ignoring the parents' responsibility in the recent school shooting. Yeah, they didn't pull the trigger, but they put the gun in his hand. He's ultimately responsible, but they're to blame.


    So you prefer a Russian mafia sympathizer like Trump ? You think it’s better to sympathize with a murderous criminal like Putin than to stand up for freedom and liberty?

    if you have proof that Biden is responsible for Western Europe energy procurement, or certain sanctions are permanently “off the table”please leave such proof here. Otherwise kindly leave misinformation off the forum as we all want to abide by the strict “name calling” rules and posting misinformation about Biden in a time of crisis and supporting the former president who is a sympathizer to a murderous dictator warrants extreme rule breaking here. There is nothing less American than that.
    When you're on the side of Marge Greene, it might be time to reevaluate.

    I stepped in my dog's shit this morning. I'm blaming Joe Biden completely!



    And ‘Muricans elected her to Congress. Imagine that.
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,486
    I thought Jewish space lasers triggered Putin attack?
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,824
    mace1229 said:
    I thought Jewish space lasers triggered Putin attack?

  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,171
    edited February 2022
    These people have no shame. 

    The rest of the world blames Putin.
    Putin blames Ukraine.
    Trump Republicans blame.... Joe Biden. Unreal. 





    Putin is the actor, so clearly he's ultimately responsible for his actions.  

    But, you understand that Biden is President and his actions have created the climate for this to occur?  Why didn't it happen the prior 4 years?  Actions do have repercussions. We are now no longer energy independent, W. Europe relies too much on Russian oil and we've taken any real impact sanctions off the table or threatened them in such a way as to entice invasion.

    Biden polices are to blame. Who else would you blame?  

    Your ignoring Biden's part is like ignoring the parents' responsibility in the recent school shooting. Yeah, they didn't pull the trigger, but they put the gun in his hand. He's ultimately responsible, but they're to blame.
    You answered your own question about why it didn't happen during Trump - because people, particularly republicans, will blame Biden. Putin wants a republican president in place in 2024 because the party more closely aligns with his belief system. 

    And if you’re importing around 10 million barrels of oil a day, you’re not energy independent. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,846
    These people have no shame. 

    The rest of the world blames Putin.
    Putin blames Ukraine.
    Trump Republicans blame.... Joe Biden. Unreal. 





    Putin is the actor, so clearly he's ultimately responsible for his actions.  

    But, you understand that Biden is President and his actions have created the climate for this to occur?  Why didn't it happen the prior 4 years?  Actions do have repercussions. We are now no longer energy independent, W. Europe relies too much on Russian oil and we've taken any real impact sanctions off the table or threatened them in such a way as to entice invasion.

    Biden polices are to blame. Who else would you blame?  

    Your ignoring Biden's part is like ignoring the parents' responsibility in the recent school shooting. Yeah, they didn't pull the trigger, but they put the gun in his hand. He's ultimately responsible, but they're to blame.
    It did not happen for a combination of potential reason:

    1. Th Russian military wasn’t prepared
    2. The Russian treasury has been preparing itself to be as protected from sanctions as possible.  I don’t think you can underestimate how important this is.
    3. Covid in 2020 and until now made an invasion impossible, due to protecting his own troops
    4. Xi would not allow it until after the Olympics.  You think it was a coincidence that Crimea was invaded immediately after the Sochi Olympics?
    5. Trump was doing Putin a favor by undermining NATO on his own.  That’s a key objective of Putin, kneecap NATO and divide the West.  Trump did that.  

    I think it’s absurd to think that Putin didn’t invade because he feared Trump.  He has never said anything to indicate he supported Ukraine and his own words this week remind us of that.  Do you honestly think Trump would have deployed US soldiers in Ukraine.  No way. 
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  • These people have no shame. 

    The rest of the world blames Putin.
    Putin blames Ukraine.
    Trump Republicans blame.... Joe Biden. Unreal. 





    Putin is the actor, so clearly he's ultimately responsible for his actions.  

    But, you understand that Biden is President and his actions have created the climate for this to occur?  Why didn't it happen the prior 4 years?  Actions do have repercussions. We are now no longer energy independent, W. Europe relies too much on Russian oil and we've taken any real impact sanctions off the table or threatened them in such a way as to entice invasion.

    Biden polices are to blame. Who else would you blame?  

    Your ignoring Biden's part is like ignoring the parents' responsibility in the recent school shooting. Yeah, they didn't pull the trigger, but they put the gun in his hand. He's ultimately responsible, but they're to blame.


    So you prefer a Russian mafia sympathizer like Trump ? You think it’s better to sympathize with a murderous criminal like Putin than to stand up for freedom and liberty?

    if you have proof that Biden is responsible for Western Europe energy procurement, or certain sanctions are permanently “off the table”please leave such proof here. Otherwise kindly leave misinformation off the forum as we all want to abide by the strict “name calling” rules and posting misinformation about Biden in a time of crisis and supporting the former president who is a sympathizer to a murderous dictator warrants extreme rule breaking here. There is nothing less American than that.
    Lol.

    I do love this echo chamber's interpretation of anyone who goes against their leader. 

    I mean - the very first thing I said is Putin is responsible.  

    How do you interpret stuff so badly?  Did you go to NYC Public School?

    Lol.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,377
    These people have no shame. 

    The rest of the world blames Putin.
    Putin blames Ukraine.
    Trump Republicans blame.... Joe Biden. Unreal. 





    Putin is the actor, so clearly he's ultimately responsible for his actions.  

    But, you understand that Biden is President and his actions have created the climate for this to occur?  Why didn't it happen the prior 4 years?  Actions do have repercussions. We are now no longer energy independent, W. Europe relies too much on Russian oil and we've taken any real impact sanctions off the table or threatened them in such a way as to entice invasion.

    Biden polices are to blame. Who else would you blame?  

    Your ignoring Biden's part is like ignoring the parents' responsibility in the recent school shooting. Yeah, they didn't pull the trigger, but they put the gun in his hand. He's ultimately responsible, but they're to blame.


    So you prefer a Russian mafia sympathizer like Trump ? You think it’s better to sympathize with a murderous criminal like Putin than to stand up for freedom and liberty?

    if you have proof that Biden is responsible for Western Europe energy procurement, or certain sanctions are permanently “off the table”please leave such proof here. Otherwise kindly leave misinformation off the forum as we all want to abide by the strict “name calling” rules and posting misinformation about Biden in a time of crisis and supporting the former president who is a sympathizer to a murderous dictator warrants extreme rule breaking here. There is nothing less American than that.
    Lol.

    I do love this echo chamber's interpretation of anyone who goes against their leader. 

    I mean - the very first thing I said is Putin is responsible.  

    How do you interpret stuff so badly?  Did you go to NYC Public School?

    Lol.
    ah, the same old "echo chamber" followed by an intelligence insult. you didn't address anything in their post. you refuse to acknowledge any hand trump had in this, being the incompetent puppet of putin for 4 years. 

    sure, all biden's policy, like this was all planned out by putin in 12 months. he has been setting the stage for this for years, obviously. but nope, just like the economy, come inauguration day, it's all his doing. 
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,486
    These people have no shame. 

    The rest of the world blames Putin.
    Putin blames Ukraine.
    Trump Republicans blame.... Joe Biden. Unreal. 





    Putin is the actor, so clearly he's ultimately responsible for his actions.  

    But, you understand that Biden is President and his actions have created the climate for this to occur?  Why didn't it happen the prior 4 years?  Actions do have repercussions. We are now no longer energy independent, W. Europe relies too much on Russian oil and we've taken any real impact sanctions off the table or threatened them in such a way as to entice invasion.

    Biden polices are to blame. Who else would you blame?  

    Your ignoring Biden's part is like ignoring the parents' responsibility in the recent school shooting. Yeah, they didn't pull the trigger, but they put the gun in his hand. He's ultimately responsible, but they're to blame.
    You answered your own question about why it didn't happen during Trump - because people, particularly republicans, will blame Biden. Putin wants a republican president in place in 2024 because the party more closely aligns with his belief system. 

    And if you’re importing around 10 million barrels of oil a day, you’re not energy independent. 
    Do you agree with the far right who say if Trump was in office Putin wouldn’t invade?
    If you think Puting is doing this to make Biden look weak to get a Republican back in, you would have to agree with that, right?
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,070
    My coffee was too hot this morning and I burned my tongue. Thanks a lot Joe Biden!
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,846
    mace1229 said:
    These people have no shame. 

    The rest of the world blames Putin.
    Putin blames Ukraine.
    Trump Republicans blame.... Joe Biden. Unreal. 





    Putin is the actor, so clearly he's ultimately responsible for his actions.  

    But, you understand that Biden is President and his actions have created the climate for this to occur?  Why didn't it happen the prior 4 years?  Actions do have repercussions. We are now no longer energy independent, W. Europe relies too much on Russian oil and we've taken any real impact sanctions off the table or threatened them in such a way as to entice invasion.

    Biden polices are to blame. Who else would you blame?  

    Your ignoring Biden's part is like ignoring the parents' responsibility in the recent school shooting. Yeah, they didn't pull the trigger, but they put the gun in his hand. He's ultimately responsible, but they're to blame.
    You answered your own question about why it didn't happen during Trump - because people, particularly republicans, will blame Biden. Putin wants a republican president in place in 2024 because the party more closely aligns with his belief system. 

    And if you’re importing around 10 million barrels of oil a day, you’re not energy independent. 
    Do you agree with the far right who say if Trump was in office Putin wouldn’t invade?
    If you think Puting is doing this to make Biden look weak to get a Republican back in, you would have to agree with that, right?
    Putin's ambition goes way beyond anything that Trump could stop by 'being nice'.  Let me put the question back to you; if Putin ran this invasion, do you think Trump would be putting American boots on the ground?
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,486
    mrussel1 said:
    mace1229 said:
    These people have no shame. 

    The rest of the world blames Putin.
    Putin blames Ukraine.
    Trump Republicans blame.... Joe Biden. Unreal. 





    Putin is the actor, so clearly he's ultimately responsible for his actions.  

    But, you understand that Biden is President and his actions have created the climate for this to occur?  Why didn't it happen the prior 4 years?  Actions do have repercussions. We are now no longer energy independent, W. Europe relies too much on Russian oil and we've taken any real impact sanctions off the table or threatened them in such a way as to entice invasion.

    Biden polices are to blame. Who else would you blame?  

    Your ignoring Biden's part is like ignoring the parents' responsibility in the recent school shooting. Yeah, they didn't pull the trigger, but they put the gun in his hand. He's ultimately responsible, but they're to blame.
    You answered your own question about why it didn't happen during Trump - because people, particularly republicans, will blame Biden. Putin wants a republican president in place in 2024 because the party more closely aligns with his belief system. 

    And if you’re importing around 10 million barrels of oil a day, you’re not energy independent. 
    Do you agree with the far right who say if Trump was in office Putin wouldn’t invade?
    If you think Puting is doing this to make Biden look weak to get a Republican back in, you would have to agree with that, right?
    Putin's ambition goes way beyond anything that Trump could stop by 'being nice'.  Let me put the question back to you; if Putin ran this invasion, do you think Trump would be putting American boots on the ground?
    No, no boots. At least not yet. If this goes beyond Ukraine then yes.
    I’ve said before that Putin would invade whether it’s Biden or Trump in office.
    But I see every comment that says this wouldn’t happen if Trump was in office get a lot of flack. But I see as many posts saying Putin is doing this to make Biden look bad to get Trump back and those get very little response. Aren’t they essentially saying the same thing though?
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,377
    putin used trump to try to divide the west and weaken nato. he's not using this to get trump back in office (I'm sure he'd take that as a bonus though). he would have invaded no matter who was in office. but trump being the patsy for 4 years was key. 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,070
    To make Biden look bad? That is a ridiculous notion. He's been planning this for two decades. Trump was his stooge. He helped get him elected because he knew Trump would weaken NATO and divide the US for four straight years which, in Putin's mind, made this invasion easier. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,846
    mace1229 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mace1229 said:
    These people have no shame. 

    The rest of the world blames Putin.
    Putin blames Ukraine.
    Trump Republicans blame.... Joe Biden. Unreal. 





    Putin is the actor, so clearly he's ultimately responsible for his actions.  

    But, you understand that Biden is President and his actions have created the climate for this to occur?  Why didn't it happen the prior 4 years?  Actions do have repercussions. We are now no longer energy independent, W. Europe relies too much on Russian oil and we've taken any real impact sanctions off the table or threatened them in such a way as to entice invasion.

    Biden polices are to blame. Who else would you blame?  

    Your ignoring Biden's part is like ignoring the parents' responsibility in the recent school shooting. Yeah, they didn't pull the trigger, but they put the gun in his hand. He's ultimately responsible, but they're to blame.
    You answered your own question about why it didn't happen during Trump - because people, particularly republicans, will blame Biden. Putin wants a republican president in place in 2024 because the party more closely aligns with his belief system. 

    And if you’re importing around 10 million barrels of oil a day, you’re not energy independent. 
    Do you agree with the far right who say if Trump was in office Putin wouldn’t invade?
    If you think Puting is doing this to make Biden look weak to get a Republican back in, you would have to agree with that, right?
    Putin's ambition goes way beyond anything that Trump could stop by 'being nice'.  Let me put the question back to you; if Putin ran this invasion, do you think Trump would be putting American boots on the ground?
    No, no boots. At least not yet. If this goes beyond Ukraine then yes.
    I’ve said before that Putin would invade whether it’s Biden or Trump in office.
    But I see every comment that says this wouldn’t happen if Trump was in office get a lot of flack. But I see as many posts saying Putin is doing this to make Biden look bad to get Trump back and those get very little response. Aren’t they essentially saying the same thing though?
    I haven't seen anyone say that.  You'd have to be pretty ethnocentric to think Putin's moves are shaped by US domestic politics.  Anyone that says that is a fool.  
  • mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,483
    My coffee was too hot this morning and I burned my tongue. Thanks a lot Joe Biden!
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,489
    My coffee was too hot this morning and I burned my tongue. Thanks a lot Joe Biden!
    Cmon that's not Biden's fault.  I mean if it weren't for Biden you would probably burn your tongue more cause coffee would be more readily available and less expensive.  
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,486
    mrussel1 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mace1229 said:
    These people have no shame. 

    The rest of the world blames Putin.
    Putin blames Ukraine.
    Trump Republicans blame.... Joe Biden. Unreal. 





    Putin is the actor, so clearly he's ultimately responsible for his actions.  

    But, you understand that Biden is President and his actions have created the climate for this to occur?  Why didn't it happen the prior 4 years?  Actions do have repercussions. We are now no longer energy independent, W. Europe relies too much on Russian oil and we've taken any real impact sanctions off the table or threatened them in such a way as to entice invasion.

    Biden polices are to blame. Who else would you blame?  

    Your ignoring Biden's part is like ignoring the parents' responsibility in the recent school shooting. Yeah, they didn't pull the trigger, but they put the gun in his hand. He's ultimately responsible, but they're to blame.
    You answered your own question about why it didn't happen during Trump - because people, particularly republicans, will blame Biden. Putin wants a republican president in place in 2024 because the party more closely aligns with his belief system. 

    And if you’re importing around 10 million barrels of oil a day, you’re not energy independent. 
    Do you agree with the far right who say if Trump was in office Putin wouldn’t invade?
    If you think Puting is doing this to make Biden look weak to get a Republican back in, you would have to agree with that, right?
    Putin's ambition goes way beyond anything that Trump could stop by 'being nice'.  Let me put the question back to you; if Putin ran this invasion, do you think Trump would be putting American boots on the ground?
    No, no boots. At least not yet. If this goes beyond Ukraine then yes.
    I’ve said before that Putin would invade whether it’s Biden or Trump in office.
    But I see every comment that says this wouldn’t happen if Trump was in office get a lot of flack. But I see as many posts saying Putin is doing this to make Biden look bad to get Trump back and those get very little response. Aren’t they essentially saying the same thing though?
    I haven't seen anyone say that.  You'd have to be pretty ethnocentric to think Putin's moves are shaped by US domestic politics.  Anyone that says that is a fool.  
    The post I replied to in my first response said that. I’ve seen it a few other times in the Ukraine thread too. Although I don’t remember if it was the same person or not.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,846
    mace1229 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mace1229 said:
    These people have no shame. 

    The rest of the world blames Putin.
    Putin blames Ukraine.
    Trump Republicans blame.... Joe Biden. Unreal. 





    Putin is the actor, so clearly he's ultimately responsible for his actions.  

    But, you understand that Biden is President and his actions have created the climate for this to occur?  Why didn't it happen the prior 4 years?  Actions do have repercussions. We are now no longer energy independent, W. Europe relies too much on Russian oil and we've taken any real impact sanctions off the table or threatened them in such a way as to entice invasion.

    Biden polices are to blame. Who else would you blame?  

    Your ignoring Biden's part is like ignoring the parents' responsibility in the recent school shooting. Yeah, they didn't pull the trigger, but they put the gun in his hand. He's ultimately responsible, but they're to blame.
    You answered your own question about why it didn't happen during Trump - because people, particularly republicans, will blame Biden. Putin wants a republican president in place in 2024 because the party more closely aligns with his belief system. 

    And if you’re importing around 10 million barrels of oil a day, you’re not energy independent. 
    Do you agree with the far right who say if Trump was in office Putin wouldn’t invade?
    If you think Puting is doing this to make Biden look weak to get a Republican back in, you would have to agree with that, right?
    Putin's ambition goes way beyond anything that Trump could stop by 'being nice'.  Let me put the question back to you; if Putin ran this invasion, do you think Trump would be putting American boots on the ground?
    No, no boots. At least not yet. If this goes beyond Ukraine then yes.
    I’ve said before that Putin would invade whether it’s Biden or Trump in office.
    But I see every comment that says this wouldn’t happen if Trump was in office get a lot of flack. But I see as many posts saying Putin is doing this to make Biden look bad to get Trump back and those get very little response. Aren’t they essentially saying the same thing though?
    I haven't seen anyone say that.  You'd have to be pretty ethnocentric to think Putin's moves are shaped by US domestic politics.  Anyone that says that is a fool.  
    The post I replied to in my first response said that. I’ve seen it a few other times in the Ukraine thread too. Although I don’t remember if it was the same person or not.
    I won't argue that there are no idiots. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,846
    The Freedom Convoy has arrived in DC for the SOTU address tonight.  Mayhem will likely ensue.


  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,377
    mrussel1 said:
    The Freedom Convoy has arrived in DC for the SOTU address tonight.  Mayhem will likely ensue.


    is that joseph arthur at the mic?
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