#46 President Joe Biden

brianlux

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

I hope so but reading some news sources and certain forums, you would think not.  I'm really puzzled about that.  It's so obvious they were parodying, not actually supporting racists!

I'm not so sure they were doing either of these. They're obviously not supporting actual racists. But there's a difference between parodying and impersonating. If they're dressed like the white supremacists from that Charlottesville rally a few years ago, I think they're trying to make it look like those sort of people are supporting Youngkin and coming out to his political rallies. If one of them was wearing a shirt saying something like "I voted for Trump and all I got was this stupid tiki torch," then I guess that could qualify as parodying the Charlottesville rally. But just dressing up like them is not a parody. 

OK, "impersonating" if you prefer.   But my point is, their action was carried out to serve this purpose:

""Today's demonstration was our way of reminding Virginians what happened in Charlottesville four years ago, the Republican Party's embrace of those values[racism, white supremacy], and Glenn Youngkin's failure to condemn it," the conservative group said in a statement."
https://www.businessinsider.com/lincoln-project-sends-fake-white-supremacists-to-virginia-gop-event-2021-10

Where is this shirt you speak of?

Ledbetterman10

brianlux said:

Where is this shirt you speak of?

I said IF they were wearing a shirt like that, it'd be more of a parody. 

brianlux

Here is the Lincoln Project's statement about the Charlottesville incident:

October 29, 2021 — Today, The Lincoln Project released the following statement:

“Glenn Youngkin has said: ‘President Trump represents so much of why I am running.’ Youngkin proves it every day by trying to divide Virginians using racial code words like Critical Race Theory and supporting a ban on teaching the works of America’s only Black Nobel laureate.

“The Lincoln Project has run advertisements highlighting the hate unleashed in Charlottesville as well as Glenn Youngkin’s continued failure to denounce Donald Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides.’ We will continue to draw this contrast in broadcast videos, on our social media platforms, and at Youngkin rallies.

“Today’s demonstration was our way of reminding Virginians what happened in Charlottesville four years ago, the Republican Party’s embrace of those values, and Glenn Youngkin’s failure to condemn it.

“The Youngkin campaign is enraged by our reminder of Charlottesville for one simple reason: Glenn Youngkin wants Virginians to forget that he is Donald Trump’s candidate.

“We will continue to hold Glenn Youngkin accountable. If he will denounce Trump’s assertion that the Charlottesville rioters possessed ‘very fine’ qualities, we’ll withdraw the tiki torches. Until then, we’ll be back.”

https://lincolnproject.us/statement-from-the-lincoln-project-5/

This further raises questions in my mind as to why some "progressives" find this objectionable.

Bentleyspop

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

The Lincoln Project tiki torch demonstration in Charlottesville is simply street theater which is an effective way to bring attention to an issue.  It was used very effectively during the Vietnam war to help bring an end to that atrocity.  I'm surprised to see so many left-leaning folks here denounce that demonstration.  To me it kind of reflects a weakness that is pervasive in the left.  It's no wonder the hard right is taking over. 

only because in today's day, it gives the right fodder for the whole "Jan 6 was antifa disguised as MAGA". 

Except that there is a ton of information showing that Trump was hugely influential in making January 6 happen (see last night's Heather Cox Richards letter in Mickeyrat's thread) and the Lincoln Party claimed responsibility for their demonstration.  I have to stand by my words above and I'm not at all opposed to street theater.  The left needs to start taking some lessons from their own past and toughen up and we are going to be beaten down by an angry and aggressive far right.  History will bear me out on this. It's damn scary.

I get it. i honestly don't care what they did either way. I'm just saying sometimes it takes more effort to fight back false claims than it is to stage something like that in the first place. 

True.

Gern Blansten said:

The Juggler said:

brianlux said:

The Lincoln Project tiki torch demonstration in Charlottesville is simply street theater which is an effective way to bring attention to an issue.  It was used very effectively during the Vietnam war to help bring an end to that atrocity.  I'm surprised to see so many left-leaning folks here denounce that demonstration.  To me it kind of reflects a weakness that is pervasive in the left.  It's no wonder the hard right is taking over. 

This is the correct take, folks. 

agreed....everyone knew they were fake right?

I hope so but reading some news sources and certain forums, you would think not.  I'm really puzzled about that.  It's so obvious they were parodying, not actually supporting racists!

but that's the problem. right wing twitter reports that the lincoln project ("the left" LOL) are the real racists and they fucking believe it. and gives credence to the false flag narrative they all lap up constantly. there's really no winning in scenarios like these. 

To take this further, we have had a few anti Semitic incidents here in Austin recently.  The right wing media is blaming liberals, Critical race Theory and basically saying that the left are the true propagators of racism and that CRT is a tool to make people more racist etc...So LP pulling something like this definitely gives some legitimacy to that claim in the eyes of the right.

They're afraid of CRT because it exposes and teaches the truth about slavery and racism. But also because they think it's going to make school children racist towards white people. And they're afraid of the demise of white people in America which is happening anyway.

mrussel1

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

The Lincoln Project tiki torch demonstration in Charlottesville is simply street theater which is an effective way to bring attention to an issue.  It was used very effectively during the Vietnam war to help bring an end to that atrocity.  I'm surprised to see so many left-leaning folks here denounce that demonstration.  To me it kind of reflects a weakness that is pervasive in the left.  It's no wonder the hard right is taking over. 

only because in today's day, it gives the right fodder for the whole "Jan 6 was antifa disguised as MAGA". 

Except that there is a ton of information showing that Trump was hugely influential in making January 6 happen (see last night's Heather Cox Richards letter in Mickeyrat's thread) and the Lincoln Party claimed responsibility for their demonstration.  I have to stand by my words above and I'm not at all opposed to street theater.  The left needs to start taking some lessons from their own past and toughen up and we are going to be beaten down by an angry and aggressive far right.  History will bear me out on this. It's damn scary.

I get it. i honestly don't care what they did either way. I'm just saying sometimes it takes more effort to fight back false claims than it is to stage something like that in the first place. 

True.

Gern Blansten said:

The Juggler said:

brianlux said:

The Lincoln Project tiki torch demonstration in Charlottesville is simply street theater which is an effective way to bring attention to an issue.  It was used very effectively during the Vietnam war to help bring an end to that atrocity.  I'm surprised to see so many left-leaning folks here denounce that demonstration.  To me it kind of reflects a weakness that is pervasive in the left.  It's no wonder the hard right is taking over. 

This is the correct take, folks. 

agreed....everyone knew they were fake right?

I hope so but reading some news sources and certain forums, you would think not.  I'm really puzzled about that.  It's so obvious they were parodying, not actually supporting racists!

but that's the problem. right wing twitter reports that the lincoln project ("the left" LOL) are the real racists and they fucking believe it. and gives credence to the false flag narrative they all lap up constantly. there's really no winning in scenarios like these. 

To take this further, we have had a few anti Semitic incidents here in Austin recently.  The right wing media is blaming liberals, Critical race Theory and basically saying that the left are the true propagators of racism and that CRT is a tool to make people more racist etc...So LP pulling something like this definitely gives some legitimacy to that claim in the eyes of the right.

Progressives aren't the racists.  They are the new Puritans.  

HughFreakingDillon

brianlux said:

Here is the Lincoln Project's statement about the Charlottesville incident:

October 29, 2021 — Today, The Lincoln Project released the following statement:

“Glenn Youngkin has said: ‘President Trump represents so much of why I am running.’ Youngkin proves it every day by trying to divide Virginians using racial code words like Critical Race Theory and supporting a ban on teaching the works of America’s only Black Nobel laureate.

“The Lincoln Project has run advertisements highlighting the hate unleashed in Charlottesville as well as Glenn Youngkin’s continued failure to denounce Donald Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides.’ We will continue to draw this contrast in broadcast videos, on our social media platforms, and at Youngkin rallies.

“Today’s demonstration was our way of reminding Virginians what happened in Charlottesville four years ago, the Republican Party’s embrace of those values, and Glenn Youngkin’s failure to condemn it.

“The Youngkin campaign is enraged by our reminder of Charlottesville for one simple reason: Glenn Youngkin wants Virginians to forget that he is Donald Trump’s candidate.

“We will continue to hold Glenn Youngkin accountable. If he will denounce Trump’s assertion that the Charlottesville rioters possessed ‘very fine’ qualities, we’ll withdraw the tiki torches. Until then, we’ll be back.”

https://lincolnproject.us/statement-from-the-lincoln-project-5/

This further raises questions in my mind as to why some "progressives" find this objectionable.

I don't find it objectionable. I find it ineffective. 

The Juggler

Gern Blansten said:

The Juggler said:

brianlux said:

The Lincoln Project tiki torch demonstration in Charlottesville is simply street theater which is an effective way to bring attention to an issue.  It was used very effectively during the Vietnam war to help bring an end to that atrocity.  I'm surprised to see so many left-leaning folks here denounce that demonstration.  To me it kind of reflects a weakness that is pervasive in the left.  It's no wonder the hard right is taking over. 

This is the correct take, folks. 

agreed....everyone knew they were fake right?

It's not a big deal at all. They said it was them that day. lol

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Here is the Lincoln Project's statement about the Charlottesville incident:

October 29, 2021 — Today, The Lincoln Project released the following statement:

“Glenn Youngkin has said: ‘President Trump represents so much of why I am running.’ Youngkin proves it every day by trying to divide Virginians using racial code words like Critical Race Theory and supporting a ban on teaching the works of America’s only Black Nobel laureate.

“The Lincoln Project has run advertisements highlighting the hate unleashed in Charlottesville as well as Glenn Youngkin’s continued failure to denounce Donald Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides.’ We will continue to draw this contrast in broadcast videos, on our social media platforms, and at Youngkin rallies.

“Today’s demonstration was our way of reminding Virginians what happened in Charlottesville four years ago, the Republican Party’s embrace of those values, and Glenn Youngkin’s failure to condemn it.

“The Youngkin campaign is enraged by our reminder of Charlottesville for one simple reason: Glenn Youngkin wants Virginians to forget that he is Donald Trump’s candidate.

“We will continue to hold Glenn Youngkin accountable. If he will denounce Trump’s assertion that the Charlottesville rioters possessed ‘very fine’ qualities, we’ll withdraw the tiki torches. Until then, we’ll be back.”

https://lincolnproject.us/statement-from-the-lincoln-project-5/

This further raises questions in my mind as to why some "progressives" find this objectionable.

I don't find it objectionable. I find it ineffective. 

That's cool. 

I'm not trying to target anyone here here individually, just responding to the views some people and some media in general.  I also think the misrepresentation of the action is what makes it less effective than it could be. 

mickeyrat

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Here is the Lincoln Project's statement about the Charlottesville incident:

October 29, 2021 — Today, The Lincoln Project released the following statement:

“Glenn Youngkin has said: ‘President Trump represents so much of why I am running.’ Youngkin proves it every day by trying to divide Virginians using racial code words like Critical Race Theory and supporting a ban on teaching the works of America’s only Black Nobel laureate.

“The Lincoln Project has run advertisements highlighting the hate unleashed in Charlottesville as well as Glenn Youngkin’s continued failure to denounce Donald Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides.’ We will continue to draw this contrast in broadcast videos, on our social media platforms, and at Youngkin rallies.

“Today’s demonstration was our way of reminding Virginians what happened in Charlottesville four years ago, the Republican Party’s embrace of those values, and Glenn Youngkin’s failure to condemn it.

“The Youngkin campaign is enraged by our reminder of Charlottesville for one simple reason: Glenn Youngkin wants Virginians to forget that he is Donald Trump’s candidate.

“We will continue to hold Glenn Youngkin accountable. If he will denounce Trump’s assertion that the Charlottesville rioters possessed ‘very fine’ qualities, we’ll withdraw the tiki torches. Until then, we’ll be back.”

https://lincolnproject.us/statement-from-the-lincoln-project-5/

This further raises questions in my mind as to why some "progressives" find this objectionable.

I don't find it objectionable. I find it ineffective. 

That's cool. 

I'm not trying to target anyone here here individually, just responding to the views some people and some media in general.  I also think the misrepresentation of the action is what makes it less effective than it could be. 

what it really shows is how lazy media is in general. but lets rake political operatives doing what they have always done over the coals.

they arent roger stone level douchebags in their work. but they are not ones to pull punches.

nicknyr15

Bentleyspop said:

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

The Lincoln Project tiki torch demonstration in Charlottesville is simply street theater which is an effective way to bring attention to an issue.  It was used very effectively during the Vietnam war to help bring an end to that atrocity.  I'm surprised to see so many left-leaning folks here denounce that demonstration.  To me it kind of reflects a weakness that is pervasive in the left.  It's no wonder the hard right is taking over. 

only because in today's day, it gives the right fodder for the whole "Jan 6 was antifa disguised as MAGA". 

Except that there is a ton of information showing that Trump was hugely influential in making January 6 happen (see last night's Heather Cox Richards letter in Mickeyrat's thread) and the Lincoln Party claimed responsibility for their demonstration.  I have to stand by my words above and I'm not at all opposed to street theater.  The left needs to start taking some lessons from their own past and toughen up and we are going to be beaten down by an angry and aggressive far right.  History will bear me out on this. It's damn scary.

I get it. i honestly don't care what they did either way. I'm just saying sometimes it takes more effort to fight back false claims than it is to stage something like that in the first place. 

True.

Gern Blansten said:

The Juggler said:

brianlux said:

The Lincoln Project tiki torch demonstration in Charlottesville is simply street theater which is an effective way to bring attention to an issue.  It was used very effectively during the Vietnam war to help bring an end to that atrocity.  I'm surprised to see so many left-leaning folks here denounce that demonstration.  To me it kind of reflects a weakness that is pervasive in the left.  It's no wonder the hard right is taking over. 

This is the correct take, folks. 

agreed....everyone knew they were fake right?

I hope so but reading some news sources and certain forums, you would think not.  I'm really puzzled about that.  It's so obvious they were parodying, not actually supporting racists!

but that's the problem. right wing twitter reports that the lincoln project ("the left" LOL) are the real racists and they fucking believe it. and gives credence to the false flag narrative they all lap up constantly. there's really no winning in scenarios like these. 

To take this further, we have had a few anti Semitic incidents here in Austin recently.  The right wing media is blaming liberals, Critical race Theory and basically saying that the left are the true propagators of racism and that CRT is a tool to make people more racist etc...So LP pulling something like this definitely gives some legitimacy to that claim in the eyes of the right.

They're afraid of CRT because it exposes and teaches the truth about slavery and racism. But also because they think it's going to make school children racist towards white people. And they're afraid of the demise of white people in America which is happening anyway.

😂😂 what is “the demise of white people”? What does that even mean?

mrussel1

nicknyr15 said:

Bentleyspop said:

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

The Lincoln Project tiki torch demonstration in Charlottesville is simply street theater which is an effective way to bring attention to an issue.  It was used very effectively during the Vietnam war to help bring an end to that atrocity.  I'm surprised to see so many left-leaning folks here denounce that demonstration.  To me it kind of reflects a weakness that is pervasive in the left.  It's no wonder the hard right is taking over. 

only because in today's day, it gives the right fodder for the whole "Jan 6 was antifa disguised as MAGA". 

Except that there is a ton of information showing that Trump was hugely influential in making January 6 happen (see last night's Heather Cox Richards letter in Mickeyrat's thread) and the Lincoln Party claimed responsibility for their demonstration.  I have to stand by my words above and I'm not at all opposed to street theater.  The left needs to start taking some lessons from their own past and toughen up and we are going to be beaten down by an angry and aggressive far right.  History will bear me out on this. It's damn scary.

I get it. i honestly don't care what they did either way. I'm just saying sometimes it takes more effort to fight back false claims than it is to stage something like that in the first place. 

True.

Gern Blansten said:

The Juggler said:

brianlux said:

The Lincoln Project tiki torch demonstration in Charlottesville is simply street theater which is an effective way to bring attention to an issue.  It was used very effectively during the Vietnam war to help bring an end to that atrocity.  I'm surprised to see so many left-leaning folks here denounce that demonstration.  To me it kind of reflects a weakness that is pervasive in the left.  It's no wonder the hard right is taking over. 

This is the correct take, folks. 

agreed....everyone knew they were fake right?

I hope so but reading some news sources and certain forums, you would think not.  I'm really puzzled about that.  It's so obvious they were parodying, not actually supporting racists!

but that's the problem. right wing twitter reports that the lincoln project ("the left" LOL) are the real racists and they fucking believe it. and gives credence to the false flag narrative they all lap up constantly. there's really no winning in scenarios like these. 

To take this further, we have had a few anti Semitic incidents here in Austin recently.  The right wing media is blaming liberals, Critical race Theory and basically saying that the left are the true propagators of racism and that CRT is a tool to make people more racist etc...So LP pulling something like this definitely gives some legitimacy to that claim in the eyes of the right.

They're afraid of CRT because it exposes and teaches the truth about slavery and racism. But also because they think it's going to make school children racist towards white people. And they're afraid of the demise of white people in America which is happening anyway.

😂😂 what is “the demise of white people”? What does that even mean?

Tucker Carlson and his "replacement" theory. 

The Juggler

mrussel1 said:

nicknyr15 said:

Bentleyspop said:

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

The Lincoln Project tiki torch demonstration in Charlottesville is simply street theater which is an effective way to bring attention to an issue.  It was used very effectively during the Vietnam war to help bring an end to that atrocity.  I'm surprised to see so many left-leaning folks here denounce that demonstration.  To me it kind of reflects a weakness that is pervasive in the left.  It's no wonder the hard right is taking over. 

only because in today's day, it gives the right fodder for the whole "Jan 6 was antifa disguised as MAGA". 

Except that there is a ton of information showing that Trump was hugely influential in making January 6 happen (see last night's Heather Cox Richards letter in Mickeyrat's thread) and the Lincoln Party claimed responsibility for their demonstration.  I have to stand by my words above and I'm not at all opposed to street theater.  The left needs to start taking some lessons from their own past and toughen up and we are going to be beaten down by an angry and aggressive far right.  History will bear me out on this. It's damn scary.

I get it. i honestly don't care what they did either way. I'm just saying sometimes it takes more effort to fight back false claims than it is to stage something like that in the first place. 

True.

Gern Blansten said:

The Juggler said:

brianlux said:

The Lincoln Project tiki torch demonstration in Charlottesville is simply street theater which is an effective way to bring attention to an issue.  It was used very effectively during the Vietnam war to help bring an end to that atrocity.  I'm surprised to see so many left-leaning folks here denounce that demonstration.  To me it kind of reflects a weakness that is pervasive in the left.  It's no wonder the hard right is taking over. 

This is the correct take, folks. 

agreed....everyone knew they were fake right?

I hope so but reading some news sources and certain forums, you would think not.  I'm really puzzled about that.  It's so obvious they were parodying, not actually supporting racists!

but that's the problem. right wing twitter reports that the lincoln project ("the left" LOL) are the real racists and they fucking believe it. and gives credence to the false flag narrative they all lap up constantly. there's really no winning in scenarios like these. 

To take this further, we have had a few anti Semitic incidents here in Austin recently.  The right wing media is blaming liberals, Critical race Theory and basically saying that the left are the true propagators of racism and that CRT is a tool to make people more racist etc...So LP pulling something like this definitely gives some legitimacy to that claim in the eyes of the right.

They're afraid of CRT because it exposes and teaches the truth about slavery and racism. But also because they think it's going to make school children racist towards white people. And they're afraid of the demise of white people in America which is happening anyway.

😂😂 what is “the demise of white people”? What does that even mean?

Tucker Carlson and his "replacement" theory. 

That term's been around long before Tucker started using it to scare his viewers. 

mrussel1

The Juggler said:

mrussel1 said:

nicknyr15 said:

Bentleyspop said:

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

The Lincoln Project tiki torch demonstration in Charlottesville is simply street theater which is an effective way to bring attention to an issue.  It was used very effectively during the Vietnam war to help bring an end to that atrocity.  I'm surprised to see so many left-leaning folks here denounce that demonstration.  To me it kind of reflects a weakness that is pervasive in the left.  It's no wonder the hard right is taking over. 

only because in today's day, it gives the right fodder for the whole "Jan 6 was antifa disguised as MAGA". 

Except that there is a ton of information showing that Trump was hugely influential in making January 6 happen (see last night's Heather Cox Richards letter in Mickeyrat's thread) and the Lincoln Party claimed responsibility for their demonstration.  I have to stand by my words above and I'm not at all opposed to street theater.  The left needs to start taking some lessons from their own past and toughen up and we are going to be beaten down by an angry and aggressive far right.  History will bear me out on this. It's damn scary.

I get it. i honestly don't care what they did either way. I'm just saying sometimes it takes more effort to fight back false claims than it is to stage something like that in the first place. 

True.

Gern Blansten said:

The Juggler said:

brianlux said:

The Lincoln Project tiki torch demonstration in Charlottesville is simply street theater which is an effective way to bring attention to an issue.  It was used very effectively during the Vietnam war to help bring an end to that atrocity.  I'm surprised to see so many left-leaning folks here denounce that demonstration.  To me it kind of reflects a weakness that is pervasive in the left.  It's no wonder the hard right is taking over. 

This is the correct take, folks. 

agreed....everyone knew they were fake right?

I hope so but reading some news sources and certain forums, you would think not.  I'm really puzzled about that.  It's so obvious they were parodying, not actually supporting racists!

but that's the problem. right wing twitter reports that the lincoln project ("the left" LOL) are the real racists and they fucking believe it. and gives credence to the false flag narrative they all lap up constantly. there's really no winning in scenarios like these. 

To take this further, we have had a few anti Semitic incidents here in Austin recently.  The right wing media is blaming liberals, Critical race Theory and basically saying that the left are the true propagators of racism and that CRT is a tool to make people more racist etc...So LP pulling something like this definitely gives some legitimacy to that claim in the eyes of the right.

They're afraid of CRT because it exposes and teaches the truth about slavery and racism. But also because they think it's going to make school children racist towards white people. And they're afraid of the demise of white people in America which is happening anyway.

😂😂 what is “the demise of white people”? What does that even mean?

Tucker Carlson and his "replacement" theory. 

That term's been around long before Tucker started using it to scare his viewers. 

Right but he took it out from under the rock... he's as bad as Trump. In fact,  worse. He's more of a thought leader.  This stuff his from him,  to the audience,  to Trump. 

nicknyr15

The clips of joe Biden falling asleep at the climate summit are hilarious. Sometimes people take things too serious. If you can’t chuckle at that then …..I don’t know. 

F Me In The Brain

I said all throughout that the dude was too old to be president. 

The problem is that the only alternative to a super old retread was also a super old retread...one who lied from his position more than 10x per day and pretty much hates everyone except his daughter, with whom he has a sick fascination. 

So, I had to pick old Joe over old Don. 

It is sad, not funny, that we pick people who are a few steps from the grave for our toughest job. 

"What you reap, is what you sow."

tempo_n_groove

Dan Rather wrote a piece about the whole "Let's Go Brandon" movement going on.
Thought I would share.
https://steady.substack.com/p/a-party-embraces-vulgarity

Ledbetterman10

F Me In The Brain said:

I said all throughout that the dude was too old to be president. 

The problem is that the only alternative to a super old retread was also a super old retread...one who lied from his position more than 10x per day and pretty much hates everyone except his daughter, with whom he has a sick fascination. 

So, I had to pick old Joe over old Don. 

It is sad, not funny, that we pick people who are a few steps from the grave for our toughest job. 

"What you reap, is what you sow."

-In fairness to Joe, I'd fall asleep during a climate summit too. 

-It's more than a "sick fascination." He totally wants to bang his daughter. 

-It's sad...but it's also the system that's sad. Any system where, out of 300 Million people, we're left with Joe Biden and Donald Trump (each in their late 70s) to vote for, is a broken-ass system. 

nicknyr15

F Me In The Brain said:

I said all throughout that the dude was too old to be president. 

The problem is that the only alternative to a super old retread was also a super old retread...one who lied from his position more than 10x per day and pretty much hates everyone except his daughter, with whom he has a sick fascination. 

So, I had to pick old Joe over old Don. 

It is sad, not funny, that we pick people who are a few steps from the grave for our toughest job. 

"What you reap, is what you sow."

Agreed. I do still find the clip funny though. 

Lerxst1992

F Me In The Brain said:

I said all throughout that the dude was too old to be president. 

The problem is that the only alternative to a super old retread was also a super old retread...one who lied from his position more than 10x per day and pretty much hates everyone except his daughter, with whom he has a sick fascination. 

So, I had to pick old Joe over old Don. 

It is sad, not funny, that we pick people who are a few steps from the grave for our toughest job. 

"What you reap, is what you sow."

Maybe some of the younger candidates like Pete or Amy would have had more energy but that's not who "folks" typically vote for. Had either been the nominee we'd be enjoying trumps second term right about now. 

HughFreakingDillon

nicknyr15 said:

The clips of joe Biden falling asleep at the climate summit are hilarious. Sometimes people take things too serious. If you can’t chuckle at that then …..I don’t know. 

falling asleep? maybe. the way he rubbed his eyes after to me told me he just had dry eyes. it's not like his head was drooping or there was anything else suggesting he was falling asleep. but who knows.