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  • why do some expect democrats to vote in lockstep with their party but expect republicans to "do the right thing" and break with theirs?
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  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,839
    why do some expect democrats to vote in lockstep with their party but expect republicans to "do the right thing" and break with theirs?
    Intolerance?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,485
     here is what Manchin has said.  I dont give a shit about the 170,000 children who are fareing better from those payments. I dont give a shit that 86% of west virgians with children  polled  said those payments made a "huge difference"  I only care that my rich grandchildren will have to pay for it.  
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  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,839
    mickeyrat said:
     here is what Manchin has said.  I dont give a shit about the 170,000 children who are fareing better from those payments. I dont give a shit that 86% of west virgians with children  polled  said those payments made a "huge difference"  I only care that my rich grandchildren will have to pay for it.  
    Is that a direct quote? Source?
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,410
    why do some expect democrats to vote in lockstep with their party but expect republicans to "do the right thing" and break with theirs?
    Right?
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,485
    dankind said:
    mickeyrat said:
     here is what Manchin has said.  I dont give a shit about the 170,000 children who are fareing better from those payments. I dont give a shit that 86% of west virgians with children  polled  said those payments made a "huge difference"  I only care that my rich grandchildren will have to pay for it.  
    Is that a direct quote? Source?

    no. he's  raised the grandkids bullshit before and here.

    the facts are 170k children in wv are seeing benefit. the polling is accurate too.
    to me his actions say fuck them.

    he is balking at 200 billion a year with just a one year extension on the child credit.

    yet had ZERO issue raising the pentagons budget. a portion of which is borrowed money. WITH a defiant department not following auditing laws for all of government.

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  • mrussel1 said:
    Fuck Joe Manchin. Strip him of his committee assignments and slow walk or eliminate all federal dollars to WV. Let a repub be a repub and let them do nothing for three years. Let ‘Muricans live in a fascist state. 
    You do that, and he may switch parties.  Then we lose all chairs. 
    Which is my point. Why pretend now? Let Fuckstick Joe be a white nationalist and the ‘Murican people live under a white nationalist fascist state. Do you think between now and the midterms having Joe on your side pays dividends? The House can be the House and those pieces of shit repubs in the senate don’t have or propose, never mind pass, solutions. Meanwhile, the executive branch abandons WV in every way possible. Let Joe see and feel how his constituents fare under that fascist regime. Let’s be honest about it.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,485
    unsure of the background on this so I will put this here as an administration  thing.




    988 suicide phone hotline getting $282M to ease July launch
    By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR
    Today

    WASHINGTON (AP) — People in crisis and those trying to help them will have a new phone number — 988 — to reach the national suicide prevention network starting in July. On Monday, federal health officials announced more than $280 million to smooth the transition from the current 10-digit number to three digits.

    Three-digit dialing to reach suicide hotline counselors has long been a goal for mental health advocates, lawmakers in Congress, the Federal Communications Commission and the telecommunications industry. The Biden administration says it wants to help deliver an on-schedule launch this summer. The new 988 number will also handle text and chat.

    “We know that remembering a three-digit number beats a ten-digit number any day, particularly in times of crisis, and I encourage every state to rev up planning to implement 988 for the sake of saving lives," Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra said in a statement.

    Mental health experts are hoping that the three-digit number will deliver a breakthrough in assisting people in crisis who may otherwise try to harm themselves. They predict call center demand will skyrocket once the new system is in place and people know about it.

    People who call, text or chat 988 will be able to reach trained counselors who belong to the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline network. Counselors at more than 180 local centers listen to people in crisis and provide support, connecting them with other services as may be needed. According to the Lifeline, the new dialing code will be available throughout the country starting July 16.

    Of the $282 million announced Monday, $177 million will go to bolster and expand the existing crisis network's operations and telephone infrastructure, including centralized chat and text response, backup capacity and a sub-network for Spanish-speakers.

    The rest of the money, $105 million, will go to build up staffing at local call centers.

    Suicide had been the 10th leading cause of death in the United States, claiming more than 47,000 lives in 2019, but dropped to 11th in 2020, mainly due to the coronavirus pandemic, which killed at least 345,000 Americans and became the nation’s No. 3 killer.

    Suicide attempts result in more than 300,000 people seen in hospital emergency departments for self-harm injuries. Rates of suicide rose steadily over much of the last 20 years, and it remains a leading cause of premature death for people from their teens well into their 50s.

    Recently, the FCC voted unanimously to require phone companies to support texting to 988 as well. Commissioners said nowadays many people may be more inclined to text and the choice of voice or text should make no difference when someone in distress is trying to find help.

    The national suicide prevention network currently relies on a 10-digit number, 800-273-TALK (8255), to route calls to crisis centers. The country’s largest cellphone companies, AT&T, T-Mobile and Verizon, already support calling 988, according to the FCC. The service may already be available in some parts of the country, although not every community has access yet.

    The lifeline has received more than 20 million calls since its inception in 2005, with nearly 2.4 million last year, according to the network's website. Its current 10-digit number will remain available even after 988 is launched.



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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,485
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  • manchin basically said he is not going to support BBB because other democrats were mean to him.

    fuck that. 

    AOC and Omar have gotten it way worse, having their lives threatened and all. but yeah "those guys were mean to me" isn't gonna fly.

    i say bring that bill to the senate floor, make manchin vote against it, and then use it against him when he is up again.
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  • manchin basically said he is not going to support BBB because other democrats were mean to him.

    fuck that. 

    AOC and Omar have gotten it way worse, having their lives threatened and all. but yeah "those guys were mean to me" isn't gonna fly.

    i say bring that bill to the senate floor, make manchin vote against it, and then use it against him when he is up again.
    And strip his ass of committee assignments. Fuck him, go join the repubs or pretend to be an Indy. Yea, WV wants more oil drilling off the coast of CA. A top 5 taker state dictating the direction of the country. Sounds about right.
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  • manchin basically said he is not going to support BBB because other democrats were mean to him.

    fuck that. 

    AOC and Omar have gotten it way worse, having their lives threatened and all. but yeah "those guys were mean to me" isn't gonna fly.

    i say bring that bill to the senate floor, make manchin vote against it, and then use it against him when he is up again.
    And strip his ass of committee assignments. Fuck him, go join the repubs or pretend to be an Indy. Yea, WV wants more oil drilling off the coast of CA. A top 5 taker state dictating the direction of the country. Sounds about right.
    manchin's family fortune is from the oil industry. i think either he, or his dad, had a successful business in the oil industry.

    we should make it a law where millionaires cannot be senators. we have 51 rich pricks making decisions on behalf of 100 million people.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,629
    manchin basically said he is not going to support BBB because other democrats were mean to him.

    fuck that. 

    AOC and Omar have gotten it way worse, having their lives threatened and all. but yeah "those guys were mean to me" isn't gonna fly.

    i say bring that bill to the senate floor, make manchin vote against it, and then use it against him when he is up again.
    And strip his ass of committee assignments. Fuck him, go join the repubs or pretend to be an Indy. Yea, WV wants more oil drilling off the coast of CA. A top 5 taker state dictating the direction of the country. Sounds about right.
    manchin's family fortune is from the oil industry. i think either he, or his dad, had a successful business in the oil industry.

    we should make it a law where millionaires cannot be senators. we have 51 rich pricks making decisions on behalf of 100 million people.
    Is this a serious suggestion?
  • mrussel1 said:
    manchin basically said he is not going to support BBB because other democrats were mean to him.

    fuck that. 

    AOC and Omar have gotten it way worse, having their lives threatened and all. but yeah "those guys were mean to me" isn't gonna fly.

    i say bring that bill to the senate floor, make manchin vote against it, and then use it against him when he is up again.
    And strip his ass of committee assignments. Fuck him, go join the repubs or pretend to be an Indy. Yea, WV wants more oil drilling off the coast of CA. A top 5 taker state dictating the direction of the country. Sounds about right.
    manchin's family fortune is from the oil industry. i think either he, or his dad, had a successful business in the oil industry.

    we should make it a law where millionaires cannot be senators. we have 51 rich pricks making decisions on behalf of 100 million people.
    Is this a serious suggestion?
    obviously that could never be put into practice, but you have to admit that the average senator's motivations are most likely not "serving their country". which has been problematic for a very long time. 
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    is this the bill that includes the 12500 welfare subsidy  if you buy a electric vehicle made with us content?  If so a lot of Canadians politicians and those in the Canadian auto industry are…
    Buy America clauses…lmfao.  You guys are real free traders…
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,485
    welfare subsidy? put down the pipe.
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    Paying people money just to buy a luxury vehicle … that’s fucking welfare.  Perhaps you should get off the meth…
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,629
    Paying people money just to buy a luxury vehicle … that’s fucking welfare.  Perhaps you should get off the meth…
    Good grief, tax credits have been used to stimulate preferred gov't actions for generations.  And "Buy American" is not exactly a new concept here as well. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,485
    mrussel1 said:
    Paying people money just to buy a luxury vehicle … that’s fucking welfare.  Perhaps you should get off the meth…
    Good grief, tax credits have been used to stimulate preferred gov't actions for generations.  And "Buy American" is not exactly a new concept here as well. 

    well we can always remove the scrubbers and fire up the coal plants along erie
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  • mickeyrat said:
     here is what Manchin has said.  I dont give a shit about the 170,000 children who are fareing better from those payments. I dont give a shit that 86% of west virgians with children  polled  said those payments made a "huge difference"  I only care that my rich grandchildren will have to pay for it.  

    Or, what he really did say which is - 

    W.Va already pays for universal Kindergarten without Federal Subsidies.  
    You can't take price the bill based on 1 year programs with 10 years funding when everyone knows once a hand out is provided, it's pretty much forever.
    Inflation is a problem and pumping more $$$s into the economy is going to make it worse
    There's a lot of unnecessary, unrelated shit in the bill - redraft it focused on the priorities and we can talk.

    Honestly, Manchin saved the Dems (and in large part what's left of the economy heading into next year).  Don't believe for a second it's just he (And Synema) of the Dems that had reservations about this bill.   Schumer is stupid pushing for a vote after the New Year.  McConnell already has his leadership gavel ready. He'd love to get closer to 60 if Schumer insists Purple/Red State Dems are forced to go on the record.

    It's basically a hand out to California and NY and being a NYer that would greatly benefit from the SALT limit lift, he's right.

    Read about what's in the bill. It's awful with a few good things sprinkled in.  

    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,881
    At this point just pass the fucking Manchin bill so you got something to show for, you fucking idiots. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,629
    mickeyrat said:
     here is what Manchin has said.  I dont give a shit about the 170,000 children who are fareing better from those payments. I dont give a shit that 86% of west virgians with children  polled  said those payments made a "huge difference"  I only care that my rich grandchildren will have to pay for it.  

    Or, what he really did say which is - 

    W.Va already pays for universal Kindergarten without Federal Subsidies.  
    You can't take price the bill based on 1 year programs with 10 years funding when everyone knows once a hand out is provided, it's pretty much forever.
    Inflation is a problem and pumping more $$$s into the economy is going to make it worse
    There's a lot of unnecessary, unrelated shit in the bill - redraft it focused on the priorities and we can talk.

    Honestly, Manchin saved the Dems (and in large part what's left of the economy heading into next year).  Don't believe for a second it's just he (And Synema) of the Dems that had reservations about this bill.   Schumer is stupid pushing for a vote after the New Year.  McConnell already has his leadership gavel ready. He'd love to get closer to 60 if Schumer insists Purple/Red State Dems are forced to go on the record.

    It's basically a hand out to California and NY and being a NYer that would greatly benefit from the SALT limit lift, he's right.

    Read about what's in the bill. It's awful with a few good things sprinkled in.  

    Universal kindergarten?  Hasn't every state had that for 40+ years?  Are you talking about pre-K?

    The fight with Manchin was about the child tax credits, wasn't it?
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,485
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
     here is what Manchin has said.  I dont give a shit about the 170,000 children who are fareing better from those payments. I dont give a shit that 86% of west virgians with children  polled  said those payments made a "huge difference"  I only care that my rich grandchildren will have to pay for it.  

    Or, what he really did say which is - 

    W.Va already pays for universal Kindergarten without Federal Subsidies.  
    You can't take price the bill based on 1 year programs with 10 years funding when everyone knows once a hand out is provided, it's pretty much forever.
    Inflation is a problem and pumping more $$$s into the economy is going to make it worse
    There's a lot of unnecessary, unrelated shit in the bill - redraft it focused on the priorities and we can talk.

    Honestly, Manchin saved the Dems (and in large part what's left of the economy heading into next year).  Don't believe for a second it's just he (And Synema) of the Dems that had reservations about this bill.   Schumer is stupid pushing for a vote after the New Year.  McConnell already has his leadership gavel ready. He'd love to get closer to 60 if Schumer insists Purple/Red State Dems are forced to go on the record.

    It's basically a hand out to California and NY and being a NYer that would greatly benefit from the SALT limit lift, he's right.

    Read about what's in the bill. It's awful with a few good things sprinkled in.  

    Universal kindergarten?  Hasn't every state had that for 40+ years?  Are you talking about pre-K?

    The fight with Manchin was about the child tax credits, wasn't it?

    one of. the climate parts troubled hom too. being a fossil fuel fossil
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,881
    Coal Minors in WV coming out bashing Manchin....
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,347
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
     here is what Manchin has said.  I dont give a shit about the 170,000 children who are fareing better from those payments. I dont give a shit that 86% of west virgians with children  polled  said those payments made a "huge difference"  I only care that my rich grandchildren will have to pay for it.  

    Or, what he really did say which is - 

    W.Va already pays for universal Kindergarten without Federal Subsidies.  
    You can't take price the bill based on 1 year programs with 10 years funding when everyone knows once a hand out is provided, it's pretty much forever.
    Inflation is a problem and pumping more $$$s into the economy is going to make it worse
    There's a lot of unnecessary, unrelated shit in the bill - redraft it focused on the priorities and we can talk.

    Honestly, Manchin saved the Dems (and in large part what's left of the economy heading into next year).  Don't believe for a second it's just he (And Synema) of the Dems that had reservations about this bill.   Schumer is stupid pushing for a vote after the New Year.  McConnell already has his leadership gavel ready. He'd love to get closer to 60 if Schumer insists Purple/Red State Dems are forced to go on the record.

    It's basically a hand out to California and NY and being a NYer that would greatly benefit from the SALT limit lift, he's right.

    Read about what's in the bill. It's awful with a few good things sprinkled in.  

    Universal kindergarten?  Hasn't every state had that for 40+ years?  Are you talking about pre-K?

    The fight with Manchin was about the child tax credits, wasn't it?
    I assumed he meant all day kindergarten.  The states I’ve lived in only had half day until a couple years ago.
  • Coal Minors in WV coming out bashing Manchin....
    this might have an impact if manchin actually cared what people of WV think and want. this bill is very popular in WV.
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,881
    Coal Minors in WV coming out bashing Manchin....
    this might have an impact if manchin actually cared what people of WV think and want. this bill is very popular in WV.
    I have a feeling they get something done in the early part of 2022.
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  • Coal Minors in WV coming out bashing Manchin....
    this might have an impact if manchin actually cared what people of WV think and want. this bill is very popular in WV.
    I have a feeling they get something done in the early part of 2022.
    you think manchin will cave?

    i don't.

    i think he leaves the dems and becomes independent over this.

    he has the sads because other dems were mean to him.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,881
    Coal Minors in WV coming out bashing Manchin....
    this might have an impact if manchin actually cared what people of WV think and want. this bill is very popular in WV.
    I have a feeling they get something done in the early part of 2022.
    you think manchin will cave?

    i don't.

    i think he leaves the dems and becomes independent over this.

    he has the sads because other dems were mean to him.
    No I think it will be the other way around. They have to do something. He knows it and Biden knows it. 
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