SCOTUS (Supreme Court of the United States)

Gern Blansten

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

the whole "he lost the popular vote" thing, honestly, just seems like losers trying to take a win when they didn't get one. Trump's campaign knew where he needed to campaign to win the EC. Hillary's didn't and they blew it. 

Right....understood.  No one is arguing that.

The point is that the people should have a hand in who gets placed on the SC.  And in 5 out of 9 cases that didn't happen.

should. of course. and the popular vote should also be the deciding factor. but it isn't. 

I hope democrats actually do something when they control the WH and possibly both chambers instead of sitting on their hands and hoping republicans will do the same the next time they are in power. 

Me too...it's time

HughFreakingDillon

and people's voting behaviour even changes based on the EC. people who know their vote doesn't matter don't even bother. that goes for both sides. so the popular vote, in reality, really means absolutely nothing, because everything would be turned on its head if the popular vote were in play. 

Halifax2TheMax

I’m looking forward to three Muslims and one satanist being added to the court, with liberal biases of course. Like canceling Christmas.

Ledbetterman10

Gern Blansten said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

kinda surprised only crickets in here for the most part. 

I guess there's not all that much to talk about. She'll be confirmed. When (presumably) Biden wins and the Dems take over the Congress, they'll expand the court because they're bitter that they lost an election to a gameshow host and he was able to appoint three justices. 

One thing that strikes me as strange is the Democrats are going on and on about Obamacare in regards to the Barrett appointment. Why? There's no case that I know of that's calling into question the whether or not Obamacare is constitutional. They're treating this like it's an election campaign ("Our opponent will take away your healthcare!") but I don't think it works like that. 

LOL....no case that you know of?  There is a case to be decided in the SC right now.  

And...expanding the court is constitutional.  Especially so when there is an imbalance in the court like now where 5 of the justices were placed by presidents that did not win the popular vote.

Oh my god, the popular vote argument? LOL

Laughing at a plausible argument....that's critical.

Regardless...that you come on here and argue this shit without knowing about that case tells us all we need to know.  

I'll always laugh at the popular vote argument. It's not a good one. We all know how the president is elected. 

Fair enough on calling me out for not knowing that case was pending. I bolded "us" and "we" though because I thought I was talking to you. 

Yes we know how the president is elected....that doesn't change the fact that 5 of the justices were placed by a president that did not receive the popular vote. That means something to a lot of us.

Well you noted that expanding the court is constitutional. Well so is the president being elected without winning the popular vote. As is the president appointing justices to the supreme court. 

I'm not a fan of the system either, by the way. Not necessarily because the person with less total votes can win, but because it renders so many votes useless. If every vote counted, then general election candidates would have to campaign in non-swing states, which would be good. The people of those states deserve to have their votes mean something. But if the popular vote determined the winner, the results (both electorally and popular-vote wise) could've possibly been different in 2000 and 2016 due to how differently Gore, Bush, Hillary, and Trump would've campaigned. 

HughFreakingDillon

i think many of us agree the EC is just plain stupid. one vote should be one vote. 

HughFreakingDillon

I gotta say, everything I've read about her responses today and yesterday have me impressed. she is way more intellectual than Kavanaugh. 

Kat

I'm horrified.

https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/1316042356651589632

https://twitter.com/jonathanalter/status/1316076728801005568

tbergs

HughFreakingDillon said:

I gotta say, everything I've read about her responses today and yesterday have me impressed. she is way more intellectual than Kavanaugh. 

She just much more reserved and knows how to say what she needs to. Kavanaugh is a stooge and typical of a white male in power, couldn't handle someone challenging him. 

HughFreakingDillon

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I gotta say, everything I've read about her responses today and yesterday have me impressed. she is way more intellectual than Kavanaugh. 

She just much more reserved and knows how to say what she needs to. Kavanaugh is a stooge and typical of a white male in power, couldn't handle someone challenging him. 

I've never seen anything like what we witnessed with Kavanaugh. He was off the rails. You'd think a guy who got to the heights of a SCJ would be able to keep it together. Maybe he just set the bar really low. LOL

Ledbetterman10

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I gotta say, everything I've read about her responses today and yesterday have me impressed. she is way more intellectual than Kavanaugh. 

She just much more reserved and knows how to say what she needs to. Kavanaugh is a stooge and typical of a white male in power, couldn't handle someone challenging him. 

Yeah never mind that he was being accused of rape, in front of the world, from an alleged incident decades ago, with had no evidence against him except the testimony of the accuser. He's just a typical white male in power acting like one!

Gern Blansten

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I gotta say, everything I've read about her responses today and yesterday have me impressed. she is way more intellectual than Kavanaugh. 

She just much more reserved and knows how to say what she needs to. Kavanaugh is a stooge and typical of a white male in power, couldn't handle someone challenging him. 

Yeah never mind that he was being accused of rape, in front of the world, from an alleged incident decades ago, with had no evidence against him except the testimony of the accuser. He's just a typical white male in power acting like one!

Yeah because his accuser wasn't credible at all.

tbergs

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

kinda surprised only crickets in here for the most part. 

I guess there's not all that much to talk about. She'll be confirmed. When (presumably) Biden wins and the Dems take over the Congress, they'll expand the court because they're bitter that they lost an election to a gameshow host and he was able to appoint three justices. 

One thing that strikes me as strange is the Democrats are going on and on about Obamacare in regards to the Barrett appointment. Why? There's no case that I know of that's calling into question the whether or not Obamacare is constitutional. They're treating this like it's an election campaign ("Our opponent will take away your healthcare!") but I don't think it works like that. 

I don't think it's about that. They aren't bitter, they're pissed that Repubs make up reasons around when they will or won't appoint judges and then do the exact opposite when it suits them. The entire country should be upset about that, but because politics is now a team sport, you have conservatives hoping to make liberals cry again instead of being fair and moral or actually caring about justice. It's fucked up, but go ahead and blame it on "bitter" democrats.

There is no karma, there is no the pendulum will swing back bullshit. The current Repub party as it stands knows this and will continue to rape our systems and utilize loop holes to twist things to their will. If anyone you worked with or for, pulled this kind of shit to get ahead or what they wanted, you wouldn't want to work for them or with them. There is a majority of the minority in this country who are spiteful people and Trump is there dream come true. These idiots don't think 5 feet in front of them or what their decisions impact. At some point, the court and government will lean left again and then those same people will bitch that it isn't fair that they can no longer exploit the system for their gain. Fuck them. I'm done with them and their ignorant views.

Ledbetterman10

Gern Blansten said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I gotta say, everything I've read about her responses today and yesterday have me impressed. she is way more intellectual than Kavanaugh. 

She just much more reserved and knows how to say what she needs to. Kavanaugh is a stooge and typical of a white male in power, couldn't handle someone challenging him. 

Yeah never mind that he was being accused of rape, in front of the world, from an alleged incident decades ago, with had no evidence against him except the testimony of the accuser. He's just a typical white male in power acting like one!

Yeah because his accuser wasn't credible at all.

She talked very well, so I guess that’s the only way to gage her credibility without any evidence. I wonder where she was all those years as he advanced higher and higher in the justice system, because she said she had a duty to come forth when he was appointed to the SC. And I know, it’s not easy to come forth with your story if you were sexually assaulted. So maybe that’s why she never reported it to police or came forth at any other time as he kept moving higher and higher up in the justice system. Yet when he’s about to make it to the very top, she’s willing to tell the world her story....

tbergs

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I gotta say, everything I've read about her responses today and yesterday have me impressed. she is way more intellectual than Kavanaugh. 

She just much more reserved and knows how to say what she needs to. Kavanaugh is a stooge and typical of a white male in power, couldn't handle someone challenging him. 

Yeah never mind that he was being accused of rape, in front of the world, from an alleged incident decades ago, with had no evidence against him except the testimony of the accuser. He's just a typical white male in power acting like one!

Because the adult thing to do and what should be expected of a nominee for SCOTUS is to make an extremely partisan and dangerous statement like this:

“This whole two-week effort has been a calculated and orchestrated political hit, fueled with apparent pent-up anger about President Trump and the 2016 election, fear that has been unfairly stoked about my judicial record,” Kavanaugh said. “Revenge on behalf of the Clintons and millions of dollars in money from outside left-wing opposition groups.”

“This is a circus,” he continued. “The consequences will extend long past my nomination. The consequences will be with us for decades. This grotesque character assassination will dissuade confident and good people of all political persuasions from serving our country, and as we all know, in the political system of the early 2000s, what goes around comes around.”

He definitely is impartial and ready to serve. He's a privileged pile of shit who took advantage of being a white male his whole life. He is a disgrace to all other white males and stokes the continued attacks against white males and the stereotypes that have been proven true under a Trump presidency.

Ledbetterman10

tbergs said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

kinda surprised only crickets in here for the most part. 

I guess there's not all that much to talk about. She'll be confirmed. When (presumably) Biden wins and the Dems take over the Congress, they'll expand the court because they're bitter that they lost an election to a gameshow host and he was able to appoint three justices. 

One thing that strikes me as strange is the Democrats are going on and on about Obamacare in regards to the Barrett appointment. Why? There's no case that I know of that's calling into question the whether or not Obamacare is constitutional. They're treating this like it's an election campaign ("Our opponent will take away your healthcare!") but I don't think it works like that. 

I don't think it's about that. They aren't bitter, they're pissed that Repubs make up reasons around when they will or won't appoint judges and then do the exact opposite when it suits them. The entire country should be upset about that, but because politics is now a team sport, you have conservatives hoping to make liberals cry again instead of being fair and moral or actually caring about justice. It's fucked up, but go ahead and blame it on "bitter" democrats.

"They aren't bitter. they're pissed." What's the difference? 

Anyway, I get what you're saying about the GOP's hypocrisy regarding when the president should appoint someone. But to change the size of the court seems pretty extreme. "We lost to stupid Trump. That allowed him to appoint three justices. We can't just wait around for some of them to die. So we'll expand the court and add liberal justices." is basically what they're saying. And whatever, since the SC justices are as partisan as everything else, I'm fine with it being even. But then when the GOP is in charge, they'll expand it again, and there will be 25 SC justices before ya know it.

tbergs

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I gotta say, everything I've read about her responses today and yesterday have me impressed. she is way more intellectual than Kavanaugh. 

She just much more reserved and knows how to say what she needs to. Kavanaugh is a stooge and typical of a white male in power, couldn't handle someone challenging him. 

Yeah never mind that he was being accused of rape, in front of the world, from an alleged incident decades ago, with had no evidence against him except the testimony of the accuser. He's just a typical white male in power acting like one!

Yeah because his accuser wasn't credible at all.

She talked very well, so I guess that’s the only way to gage her credibility without any evidence. I wonder where she was all those years as he advanced higher and higher in the justice system, because she said she had a duty to come forth when he was appointed to the SC. And I know, it’s not easy to come forth with your story if you were sexually assaulted. So maybe that’s why she never reported it to police or came forth at any other time as he kept moving higher and higher up in the justice system. Yet when he’s about to make it to the very top, she’s willing to tell the world her story....

Victim blaming, classy. You know who's good at that? Men because we didn't have to deal with what women do, especially someone who was raped in the 80's. Women were barely making a dent in the workforce and had just been given the right to have a credit card in their own name without their husbands approval a decade earlier. Even today, you still have cases like that asshole who raped the woman in the alley and the judge and attorney talk about not ruining his life. Not much has changed.

Ledbetterman10

tbergs said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I gotta say, everything I've read about her responses today and yesterday have me impressed. she is way more intellectual than Kavanaugh. 

She just much more reserved and knows how to say what she needs to. Kavanaugh is a stooge and typical of a white male in power, couldn't handle someone challenging him. 

Yeah never mind that he was being accused of rape, in front of the world, from an alleged incident decades ago, with had no evidence against him except the testimony of the accuser. He's just a typical white male in power acting like one!

Yeah because his accuser wasn't credible at all.

She talked very well, so I guess that’s the only way to gage her credibility without any evidence. I wonder where she was all those years as he advanced higher and higher in the justice system, because she said she had a duty to come forth when he was appointed to the SC. And I know, it’s not easy to come forth with your story if you were sexually assaulted. So maybe that’s why she never reported it to police or came forth at any other time as he kept moving higher and higher up in the justice system. Yet when he’s about to make it to the very top, she’s willing to tell the world her story....

Victim blaming, classy. You know who's good at that? Men because we didn't have to deal with what women do, especially someone who was raped in the 80's. Women were barely making a dent in the workforce and had just been given the right to have a credit card in their own name without their husbands approval a decade earlier. Even today, you still have cases like that asshole who raped the woman in the alley and the judge and attorney talk about not ruining his life. Not much has changed.

I'm not victim-blaming. Look up the definition of victim-blaming. I'm questioning her credibility and whether she even is a victim, but I'm not victim-blaming at all. 

tbergs

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

kinda surprised only crickets in here for the most part. 

I guess there's not all that much to talk about. She'll be confirmed. When (presumably) Biden wins and the Dems take over the Congress, they'll expand the court because they're bitter that they lost an election to a gameshow host and he was able to appoint three justices. 

One thing that strikes me as strange is the Democrats are going on and on about Obamacare in regards to the Barrett appointment. Why? There's no case that I know of that's calling into question the whether or not Obamacare is constitutional. They're treating this like it's an election campaign ("Our opponent will take away your healthcare!") but I don't think it works like that. 

I don't think it's about that. They aren't bitter, they're pissed that Repubs make up reasons around when they will or won't appoint judges and then do the exact opposite when it suits them. The entire country should be upset about that, but because politics is now a team sport, you have conservatives hoping to make liberals cry again instead of being fair and moral or actually caring about justice. It's fucked up, but go ahead and blame it on "bitter" democrats.

"They aren't bitter. they're pissed." What's the difference? 

Anyway, I get what you're saying about the GOP's hypocrisy regarding when the president should appoint someone. But to change the size of the court seems pretty extreme. "We lost to stupid Trump. That allowed him to appoint three justices. We can't just wait around for some of them to die. So we'll expand the court and add liberal justices." is basically what they're saying. And whatever, since the SC justices are as partisan as everything else, I'm fine with it being even. But then when the GOP is in charge, they'll expand it again, and there will be 25 SC justices before ya know it.

Well, let's use them in a sentence:

John's girlfriend was bitter he had sex with his coworker.
John's girlfriend was pissed he had sex with his coworker.

I don't know, difference seems pretty clear. I don't think that dems are resentful or jealous for getting fucked over, but they are pretty pissed!

Anyway, losing to Trump isn't what caused 3 justices to be appointed, it was repubs deciding they were going to take advantage of every loop hole they could to ram them all through on their terms. They're like the sleazy lawyer using every "legal" way they can to screw with the process to get what they want. I don't call that being good at your job, I call that being a morally bankrupt asshole. I can do a lot of things that aren't illegal, but it doesn't mean my actions should be rewarded or commended.

tbergs

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I gotta say, everything I've read about her responses today and yesterday have me impressed. she is way more intellectual than Kavanaugh. 

She just much more reserved and knows how to say what she needs to. Kavanaugh is a stooge and typical of a white male in power, couldn't handle someone challenging him. 

Yeah never mind that he was being accused of rape, in front of the world, from an alleged incident decades ago, with had no evidence against him except the testimony of the accuser. He's just a typical white male in power acting like one!

Yeah because his accuser wasn't credible at all.

She talked very well, so I guess that’s the only way to gage her credibility without any evidence. I wonder where she was all those years as he advanced higher and higher in the justice system, because she said she had a duty to come forth when he was appointed to the SC. And I know, it’s not easy to come forth with your story if you were sexually assaulted. So maybe that’s why she never reported it to police or came forth at any other time as he kept moving higher and higher up in the justice system. Yet when he’s about to make it to the very top, she’s willing to tell the world her story....

Victim blaming, classy. You know who's good at that? Men because we didn't have to deal with what women do, especially someone who was raped in the 80's. Women were barely making a dent in the workforce and had just been given the right to have a credit card in their own name without their husbands approval a decade earlier. Even today, you still have cases like that asshole who raped the woman in the alley and the judge and attorney talk about not ruining his life. Not much has changed.

I'm not victim-blaming. Look up the definition of victim-blaming. I'm questioning her credibility and whether she even is a victim, but I'm not victim-blaming at all. 

Ok, you aren't saying she did anything to deserve being raped, but you are blaming her for not reporting it, so that's what I meant by victim blaming. Instead of challenging the other person to respond to the accusation, the attention often turns to why the female didn't report it to police or say anything before (insert moment of time here). I understand the need not to immediately assume guilt or innocence, but how people respond is very telling.

HughFreakingDillon

I'd like to know what makes a rape victim credible or not credible.