SCOTUS (Supreme Court of the United States)

HughFreakingDillon

Ted Cruz continues to embarrass himself on an international level. 

HughFreakingDillon

every time i look at amy coney barrett I can't help but think of Wendy Byrde from Ozark. 

HughFreakingDillon

dankind

Well, they sided with systemic racism today—big shock, I know—so fuck ’em!

EdsonNascimento

Hirono asks if she’s raped anyone. 

Whitehouse spends half hour mansplaining that conservatives try to get conservatives in the Supreme Court thinking he’s uncovered something. No questions for the person he’s supposed to be reviewing.  Imagine if a republican did that to a liberal judge?

Lol.  And you guys are hung up chasing ghosts.  

HughFreakingDillon

EdsonNascimento said:

Hirono asks if she’s raped anyone. 

Whitehouse spends half hour mansplaining that conservatives try to get conservatives in the Supreme Court thinking he’s uncovered something. No questions for the person he’s supposed to be reviewing.  Imagine if a republican did that to a liberal judge?

Lol.  And you guys are hung up chasing ghosts.  

I'll make sure to bookmark this post for about a year from now. 

GlowGirl

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I gotta say, everything I've read about her responses today and yesterday have me impressed. she is way more intellectual than Kavanaugh. 

She just much more reserved and knows how to say what she needs to. Kavanaugh is a stooge and typical of a white male in power, couldn't handle someone challenging him. 

Yeah never mind that he was being accused of rape, in front of the world, from an alleged incident decades ago, with had no evidence against him except the testimony of the accuser. He's just a typical white male in power acting like one!

Yeah because his accuser wasn't credible at all.

She talked very well, so I guess that’s the only way to gage her credibility without any evidence. I wonder where she was all those years as he advanced higher and higher in the justice system, because she said she had a duty to come forth when he was appointed to the SC. And I know, it’s not easy to come forth with your story if you were sexually assaulted. So maybe that’s why she never reported it to police or came forth at any other time as he kept moving higher and higher up in the justice system. Yet when he’s about to make it to the very top, she’s willing to tell the world her story....

Victim blaming, classy. You know who's good at that? Men because we didn't have to deal with what women do, especially someone who was raped in the 80's. Women were barely making a dent in the workforce and had just been given the right to have a credit card in their own name without their husbands approval a decade earlier. Even today, you still have cases like that asshole who raped the woman in the alley and the judge and attorney talk about not ruining his life. Not much has changed.

I'm not victim-blaming. Look up the definition of victim-blaming. I'm questioning her credibility and whether she even is a victim, but I'm not victim-blaming at all. 

I grew up in Maryland. I did not know Kavanagh. However, do you remember his friend Mark Judge who was named as being the other guy involved in the incident. Well, I did know Mark during Jr. High and high school. He lived directly next door to my best friend and we used to all hang out for a while. From what I know about Mark and the way he used to be back then, especially around us girls, I totally believe that this happened. He and Kavanagh were apparently best friends at the time. Again, I never met Kavanagh and can’t speak to why it was not reported sooner. But I knew guys like that all through high school including Kavanagh’s best bud. Her story rings true to me. 

mace1229

HughFreakingDillon said:

and people's voting behaviour even changes based on the EC. people who know their vote doesn't matter don't even bother. that goes for both sides. so the popular vote, in reality, really means absolutely nothing, because everything would be turned on its head if the popular vote were in play. 

100% this. I agree with your last few posts. I always thought the popular vote argument means nothing. Presidential candidates campaign based on the EC and the votes needed. And as you pointed out it also influences who does and doesn’t vote. The popular vote would likely be entirely different if everyone thought that’s what matters in an election. 

It’s like losing a Super Bowl and then complaining about the rules afterwards that everyone was well aware of and saying field goals should be worth 5 points instead of 3 and you would have won if they were. Well, if field goals were worth 5 points then it would completely change how the game is played and the result would have been completely different.

Having an election based on the electoral college and then using the popular vote in any argument is equally pointless.

Gern Blansten

HughFreakingDillon said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Hirono asks if she’s raped anyone. 

Whitehouse spends half hour mansplaining that conservatives try to get conservatives in the Supreme Court thinking he’s uncovered something. No questions for the person he’s supposed to be reviewing.  Imagine if a republican did that to a liberal judge?

Lol.  And you guys are hung up chasing ghosts.  

I'll make sure to bookmark this post for about a year from now. 

Exactly...the hypocrisy is just ridiculous

Halifax2TheMax

EdsonNascimento said:

Hirono asks if she’s raped anyone. 

Whitehouse spends half hour mansplaining that conservatives try to get conservatives in the Supreme Court thinking he’s uncovered something. No questions for the person he’s supposed to be reviewing.  Imagine if a republican did that to a liberal judge?

Lol.  And you guys are hung up chasing ghosts.  

Imagine a liberal court being bought and paid for and winning 80-0? I suppose you’d blame Soros?

mace1229

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I gotta say, everything I've read about her responses today and yesterday have me impressed. she is way more intellectual than Kavanaugh. 

She just much more reserved and knows how to say what she needs to. Kavanaugh is a stooge and typical of a white male in power, couldn't handle someone challenging him. 

Yeah never mind that he was being accused of rape, in front of the world, from an alleged incident decades ago, with had no evidence against him except the testimony of the accuser. He's just a typical white male in power acting like one!

Yeah because his accuser wasn't credible at all.

She talked very well, so I guess that’s the only way to gage her credibility without any evidence. I wonder where she was all those years as he advanced higher and higher in the justice system, because she said she had a duty to come forth when he was appointed to the SC. And I know, it’s not easy to come forth with your story if you were sexually assaulted. So maybe that’s why she never reported it to police or came forth at any other time as he kept moving higher and higher up in the justice system. Yet when he’s about to make it to the very top, she’s willing to tell the world her story....

Her story changed multiple times. Including the year it happened, how wild she was, and how many people were there. That’s what brought into question her credibility more than the timing I think. 

Now maybe that’s due to the traumatic experience, but it still plays a role in credibility.

HughFreakingDillon

mace1229 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I gotta say, everything I've read about her responses today and yesterday have me impressed. she is way more intellectual than Kavanaugh. 

She just much more reserved and knows how to say what she needs to. Kavanaugh is a stooge and typical of a white male in power, couldn't handle someone challenging him. 

Yeah never mind that he was being accused of rape, in front of the world, from an alleged incident decades ago, with had no evidence against him except the testimony of the accuser. He's just a typical white male in power acting like one!

Yeah because his accuser wasn't credible at all.

She talked very well, so I guess that’s the only way to gage her credibility without any evidence. I wonder where she was all those years as he advanced higher and higher in the justice system, because she said she had a duty to come forth when he was appointed to the SC. And I know, it’s not easy to come forth with your story if you were sexually assaulted. So maybe that’s why she never reported it to police or came forth at any other time as he kept moving higher and higher up in the justice system. Yet when he’s about to make it to the very top, she’s willing to tell the world her story....

Her story changed multiple times. Including the year it happened, how wild she was, and how many people were there. That’s what brought into question her credibility more than the timing I think. 

Now maybe that’s due to the traumatic experience, but it still plays a role in credibility.

there's also the factor of how much time had passed. of course details are going to get fuzzy. but that fact also plays into how accurate her take on the event was as well. however, many experts stated, I believe, that it's quite common for mundane details to be lost to time, but the event is burned in memory, which I could see. 

why would someone come forward and potentially ruin their lives for that, knowing full well it would amount to nothing?

mace1229

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I gotta say, everything I've read about her responses today and yesterday have me impressed. she is way more intellectual than Kavanaugh. 

She just much more reserved and knows how to say what she needs to. Kavanaugh is a stooge and typical of a white male in power, couldn't handle someone challenging him. 

Yeah never mind that he was being accused of rape, in front of the world, from an alleged incident decades ago, with had no evidence against him except the testimony of the accuser. He's just a typical white male in power acting like one!

Yeah because his accuser wasn't credible at all.

She talked very well, so I guess that’s the only way to gage her credibility without any evidence. I wonder where she was all those years as he advanced higher and higher in the justice system, because she said she had a duty to come forth when he was appointed to the SC. And I know, it’s not easy to come forth with your story if you were sexually assaulted. So maybe that’s why she never reported it to police or came forth at any other time as he kept moving higher and higher up in the justice system. Yet when he’s about to make it to the very top, she’s willing to tell the world her story....

Her story changed multiple times. Including the year it happened, how wild she was, and how many people were there. That’s what brought into question her credibility more than the timing I think. 

Now maybe that’s due to the traumatic experience, but it still plays a role in credibility.

there's also the factor of how much time had passed. of course details are going to get fuzzy. but that fact also plays into how accurate her take on the event was as well. however, many experts stated, I believe, that it's quite common for mundane details to be lost to time, but the event is burned in memory, which I could see. 

why would someone come forward and potentially ruin their lives for that, knowing full well it would amount to nothing?

If you’re suggestion the accounts get fuzzy over time so that the earlier accounts are more accurate, I believe the earlier timelines were when Kavanaugh wasn’t even in town anymore. They were later changed to match when he was in town. I don’t have time to double check that right now, but that was one of the things I remember being an issue.

Gern Blansten

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I gotta say, everything I've read about her responses today and yesterday have me impressed. she is way more intellectual than Kavanaugh. 

She just much more reserved and knows how to say what she needs to. Kavanaugh is a stooge and typical of a white male in power, couldn't handle someone challenging him. 

Yeah never mind that he was being accused of rape, in front of the world, from an alleged incident decades ago, with had no evidence against him except the testimony of the accuser. He's just a typical white male in power acting like one!

Yeah because his accuser wasn't credible at all.

She talked very well, so I guess that’s the only way to gage her credibility without any evidence. I wonder where she was all those years as he advanced higher and higher in the justice system, because she said she had a duty to come forth when he was appointed to the SC. And I know, it’s not easy to come forth with your story if you were sexually assaulted. So maybe that’s why she never reported it to police or came forth at any other time as he kept moving higher and higher up in the justice system. Yet when he’s about to make it to the very top, she’s willing to tell the world her story....

Her story changed multiple times. Including the year it happened, how wild she was, and how many people were there. That’s what brought into question her credibility more than the timing I think. 

Now maybe that’s due to the traumatic experience, but it still plays a role in credibility.

there's also the factor of how much time had passed. of course details are going to get fuzzy. but that fact also plays into how accurate her take on the event was as well. however, many experts stated, I believe, that it's quite common for mundane details to be lost to time, but the event is burned in memory, which I could see. 

why would someone come forward and potentially ruin their lives for that, knowing full well it would amount to nothing?

If you’re suggestion the accounts get fuzzy over time so that the earlier accounts are more accurate, I believe the earlier timelines were when Kavanaugh wasn’t even in town anymore. They were later changed to match when he was in town. I don’t have time to double check that right now, but that was one of the things I remember being an issue.

Are you sure you aren't confusing accusers?  There was an accuser that ended up admitting they lied.

Blasey-Ford took a polygraph and the result was "no deception"

FiveBelow

HughFreakingDillon said:

I'd like to know what makes a rape victim credible or not credible. 

The more wealth, power or fame of the accused usually drives the credibility down for the victim when evidence is lacking. Sad, but true.

Bentleyspop

GlowGirl said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I gotta say, everything I've read about her responses today and yesterday have me impressed. she is way more intellectual than Kavanaugh. 

She just much more reserved and knows how to say what she needs to. Kavanaugh is a stooge and typical of a white male in power, couldn't handle someone challenging him. 

Yeah never mind that he was being accused of rape, in front of the world, from an alleged incident decades ago, with had no evidence against him except the testimony of the accuser. He's just a typical white male in power acting like one!

Yeah because his accuser wasn't credible at all.

She talked very well, so I guess that’s the only way to gage her credibility without any evidence. I wonder where she was all those years as he advanced higher and higher in the justice system, because she said she had a duty to come forth when he was appointed to the SC. And I know, it’s not easy to come forth with your story if you were sexually assaulted. So maybe that’s why she never reported it to police or came forth at any other time as he kept moving higher and higher up in the justice system. Yet when he’s about to make it to the very top, she’s willing to tell the world her story....

Victim blaming, classy. You know who's good at that? Men because we didn't have to deal with what women do, especially someone who was raped in the 80's. Women were barely making a dent in the workforce and had just been given the right to have a credit card in their own name without their husbands approval a decade earlier. Even today, you still have cases like that asshole who raped the woman in the alley and the judge and attorney talk about not ruining his life. Not much has changed.

I'm not victim-blaming. Look up the definition of victim-blaming. I'm questioning her credibility and whether she even is a victim, but I'm not victim-blaming at all. 

I grew up in Maryland. I did not know Kavanagh. However, do you remember his friend Mark Judge who was named as being the other guy involved in the incident. Well, I did know Mark during Jr. High and high school. He lived directly next door to my best friend and we used to all hang out for a while. From what I know about Mark and the way he used to be back then, especially around us girls, I totally believe that this happened. He and Kavanagh were apparently best friends at the time. Again, I never met Kavanagh and can’t speak to why it was not reported sooner. But I knew guys like that all through high school including Kavanagh’s best bud. Her story rings true to me. 

You and I must have grown up in the same area.
My sister went to Holton and was well acquainted with her and totally backed up her claims and remembers Kavanaugh and Strong and the rest of the "private boys school pricks" (her words).

He should not be on the Supreme Court and neither should the newest far right nominee.

bootlegger10

Kat said:

I'm horrified.

https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/1316042356651589632

https://twitter.com/jonathanalter/status/1316076728801005568

I would be shocked if Barrett thinks and would rule that a black person is 3/5 a person.  

I take her views as that she rules based on the law as written and it is up to the legislature to pass laws if they don’t like the prior law as written or if clarification is needed.

I think it is good that there is a mix on the court between originalists and non-originalists.  Hopefully between the nine of them they get to the right conclusion.   People are concerned about personal beliefs but I would think personal beliefs would be much more likely to impact the decision of a judge who views laws as living documents that change based on the whims at the time.  

GlowGirl

Bentleyspop said:

GlowGirl said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I gotta say, everything I've read about her responses today and yesterday have me impressed. she is way more intellectual than Kavanaugh. 

She just much more reserved and knows how to say what she needs to. Kavanaugh is a stooge and typical of a white male in power, couldn't handle someone challenging him. 

Yeah never mind that he was being accused of rape, in front of the world, from an alleged incident decades ago, with had no evidence against him except the testimony of the accuser. He's just a typical white male in power acting like one!

Yeah because his accuser wasn't credible at all.

She talked very well, so I guess that’s the only way to gage her credibility without any evidence. I wonder where she was all those years as he advanced higher and higher in the justice system, because she said she had a duty to come forth when he was appointed to the SC. And I know, it’s not easy to come forth with your story if you were sexually assaulted. So maybe that’s why she never reported it to police or came forth at any other time as he kept moving higher and higher up in the justice system. Yet when he’s about to make it to the very top, she’s willing to tell the world her story....

Victim blaming, classy. You know who's good at that? Men because we didn't have to deal with what women do, especially someone who was raped in the 80's. Women were barely making a dent in the workforce and had just been given the right to have a credit card in their own name without their husbands approval a decade earlier. Even today, you still have cases like that asshole who raped the woman in the alley and the judge and attorney talk about not ruining his life. Not much has changed.

I'm not victim-blaming. Look up the definition of victim-blaming. I'm questioning her credibility and whether she even is a victim, but I'm not victim-blaming at all. 

I grew up in Maryland. I did not know Kavanagh. However, do you remember his friend Mark Judge who was named as being the other guy involved in the incident. Well, I did know Mark during Jr. High and high school. He lived directly next door to my best friend and we used to all hang out for a while. From what I know about Mark and the way he used to be back then, especially around us girls, I totally believe that this happened. He and Kavanagh were apparently best friends at the time. Again, I never met Kavanagh and can’t speak to why it was not reported sooner. But I knew guys like that all through high school including Kavanagh’s best bud. Her story rings true to me. 

You and I must have grown up in the same area.
My sister went to Holton and was well acquainted with her and totally backed up her claims and remembers Kavanaugh and Strong and the rest of the "private boys school pricks" (her words).

He should not be on the Supreme Court and neither should the newest far right nominee.

Looks like we are from the same area. I grew up in Potomac. I had a friend that went to Holton, but I went to public school (Wootton). However, I know of some of those "private boys school pricks" of which your sister speaks.

mace1229

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I gotta say, everything I've read about her responses today and yesterday have me impressed. she is way more intellectual than Kavanaugh. 

She just much more reserved and knows how to say what she needs to. Kavanaugh is a stooge and typical of a white male in power, couldn't handle someone challenging him. 

Yeah never mind that he was being accused of rape, in front of the world, from an alleged incident decades ago, with had no evidence against him except the testimony of the accuser. He's just a typical white male in power acting like one!

Yeah because his accuser wasn't credible at all.

She talked very well, so I guess that’s the only way to gage her credibility without any evidence. I wonder where she was all those years as he advanced higher and higher in the justice system, because she said she had a duty to come forth when he was appointed to the SC. And I know, it’s not easy to come forth with your story if you were sexually assaulted. So maybe that’s why she never reported it to police or came forth at any other time as he kept moving higher and higher up in the justice system. Yet when he’s about to make it to the very top, she’s willing to tell the world her story....

Her story changed multiple times. Including the year it happened, how wild she was, and how many people were there. That’s what brought into question her credibility more than the timing I think. 

Now maybe that’s due to the traumatic experience, but it still plays a role in credibility.

there's also the factor of how much time had passed. of course details are going to get fuzzy. but that fact also plays into how accurate her take on the event was as well. however, many experts stated, I believe, that it's quite common for mundane details to be lost to time, but the event is burned in memory, which I could see. 

why would someone come forward and potentially ruin their lives for that, knowing full well it would amount to nothing?

If you’re suggestion the accounts get fuzzy over time so that the earlier accounts are more accurate, I believe the earlier timelines were when Kavanaugh wasn’t even in town anymore. They were later changed to match when he was in town. I don’t have time to double check that right now, but that was one of the things I remember being an issue.

Are you sure you aren't confusing accusers?  There was an accuser that ended up admitting they lied.

Blasey-Ford took a polygraph and the result was "no deception"

Ford definitely changed her story several times, including the year and location

Gern Blansten

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I gotta say, everything I've read about her responses today and yesterday have me impressed. she is way more intellectual than Kavanaugh. 

She just much more reserved and knows how to say what she needs to. Kavanaugh is a stooge and typical of a white male in power, couldn't handle someone challenging him. 

Yeah never mind that he was being accused of rape, in front of the world, from an alleged incident decades ago, with had no evidence against him except the testimony of the accuser. He's just a typical white male in power acting like one!

Yeah because his accuser wasn't credible at all.

She talked very well, so I guess that’s the only way to gage her credibility without any evidence. I wonder where she was all those years as he advanced higher and higher in the justice system, because she said she had a duty to come forth when he was appointed to the SC. And I know, it’s not easy to come forth with your story if you were sexually assaulted. So maybe that’s why she never reported it to police or came forth at any other time as he kept moving higher and higher up in the justice system. Yet when he’s about to make it to the very top, she’s willing to tell the world her story....

Her story changed multiple times. Including the year it happened, how wild she was, and how many people were there. That’s what brought into question her credibility more than the timing I think. 

Now maybe that’s due to the traumatic experience, but it still plays a role in credibility.

there's also the factor of how much time had passed. of course details are going to get fuzzy. but that fact also plays into how accurate her take on the event was as well. however, many experts stated, I believe, that it's quite common for mundane details to be lost to time, but the event is burned in memory, which I could see. 

why would someone come forward and potentially ruin their lives for that, knowing full well it would amount to nothing?

If you’re suggestion the accounts get fuzzy over time so that the earlier accounts are more accurate, I believe the earlier timelines were when Kavanaugh wasn’t even in town anymore. They were later changed to match when he was in town. I don’t have time to double check that right now, but that was one of the things I remember being an issue.

Are you sure you aren't confusing accusers?  There was an accuser that ended up admitting they lied.

Blasey-Ford took a polygraph and the result was "no deception"

Ford definitely changed her story several times, including the year and location

And she definitely took a polygraph with a "no deception" result.