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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,678
    mace1229 said:
    I don’t think this debate made anyone look stronger, but if I had to pick I’d say it hurt Biden less.
    Which is why I think this will be the only debate. Biden won’t want to risk making any mistakes and will say what’s the point when you can’t speak.
    I think they need to cut the mic or eliminate the debates for this cycle.  This was just a train wreck and utterly awful.  Trump wrecks everything he touches,  even debates. 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,661
    Post debate analysis, what is wrong with Rick Santorum? 
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,914
    Netflix is trying to figure out how to make this a series. 
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,845
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Does anyone think Trump earned some women and suburban voters tonight? Not at all.  He needed to change the trajectory and there's no way in the world that happened.  He was less presidential,  more immature and generally more unlikable than he's ever been.  
    for sure he didn't gain voters. he just had his racist white fatties cheering for him in their trailer park. 
    So that's not an effective performance by Trump... he needed to change the path.
    as everyone has been saying, we know millions are going to vote for trump. all we need is for people to vote and he'll be gone. i just don't know if biden energizes enough voters to the polls. 
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    mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,385
    static111 said:
    Stand back and stand by...holy fucking shit
    Yup. He’s a vile fucked up human being.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,661
    mrussel1 said:
    mace1229 said:
    I don’t think this debate made anyone look stronger, but if I had to pick I’d say it hurt Biden less.
    Which is why I think this will be the only debate. Biden won’t want to risk making any mistakes and will say what’s the point when you can’t speak.
    I think they need to cut the mic or eliminate the debates for this cycle.  This was just a train wreck and utterly awful.  Trump wrecks everything he touches,  even debates. 
    Age of covid, sound proof booths with mic cuts. Let them scream and gestulate in a shower stall.
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    PJ1973PJ1973 Winston-Salem, NC Posts: 406
    What the fuck just happened?
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,914
    I feel bad for the fact checkers.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,661
    PJ1973 said:
    What the fuck just happened?
    The US collapsed.
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,249
    mcgruff10 said:
    What the fuck did I just watch?
    I feel dirty. I wanted to stop, but I had to see it through. It doesn't help that they billed it like a UFC bout. Trump vs. Biden Main Event with them faced off in still shots. Stupid.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,914

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,678
    It's 11. I think i should just watch Family Guy.  It's more mature than this shit show
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    darwinstheorydarwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 5,814
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    static111 said:
    Stand back and stand by...holy fucking shit
    yeah, i noticed "stand by" and either that was a major mistake or a calculated comment
    This seemed, at least to me, to be the largest gaffe by far between either candidate tonight. It was like neon lights should have been flashing when he said it.

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    darwinstheorydarwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 5,814
    wndowpayne said:
    It changed nothing....who mods next?
    Nobody. This will be it.
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,760
    Two words:  Fucking disaster.
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    static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    This shit already out on the proud boys social media.  Trump was very intentional here.
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,731
    Couldn’t help but think of this bit during the “debate” tonight 

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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,845
    static111 said:
    This shit already out on the proud boys social media.  Trump was very intentional here.
    sucks those are my real initials. 
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    Glorified KCGlorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,503
    mcgruff10 said:
    I feel bad for the fact checkers.  
    NPR was having a tough time keeping up as the bull shit kept flying.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,678
    We'll see what the snap polls say.  Should be out soon.
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,017
    Bentleyspop said:

    Since there isn’t a “Portland Sheriff,” I would assume he meant the Portland Police Chief, not the county sheriff. But I couldn’t find anything if the chief supported him or not.
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,315
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    mrussel1 said:
    We'll see what the snap polls say.  Should be out soon.
    I have you covered, my friend



    In other words, just about everyone has already made up their minds. 
    Post edited by The Juggler on
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,678
    The Juggler said:
    mrussel1 said:
    We'll see what the snap polls say.  Should be out soon.
    I have you covered, my friend



    In other words, just about everyone has already made up their minds. 
    Yeah that's exactly it
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,731
    The idea of Joe Rogan moderating a debate doesn’t seem so outrageous after tonight. At least he may say “Will you shut the fuck up and let him answer?”
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,661
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The idea of Joe Rogan moderating a debate doesn’t seem so outrageous after tonight. At least he may say “Will you shut the fuck up and let him answer?”
    Yea, more Proud Boys shout outs, that’s what America needs. 
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,017
    Hannity just said Trump steam rolled Biden, so I guess Trump won.
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,760
    mace1229 said:
    Hannity just said Trump steam rolled Biden, so I guess Trump won.

    Well, of course Hannity would say that.  But him saying that means Trump won?  I don't think so.
    Frankly, I think they both lost.
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,731
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The idea of Joe Rogan moderating a debate doesn’t seem so outrageous after tonight. At least he may say “Will you shut the fuck up and let him answer?”
    Yea, more Proud Boys shout outs, that’s what America needs. 
    I don’t think I’ve listened to as many Rogan podcasts as you have, but I’ve listened to a couple, and didn’t hear any pro-white supremacy talk. 
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