Also let’s not forget about the courageous Dem senators Joe Manchin and Krysten Simena.
Machin was crying after the fact about how 35 GOP senators could vote against the commission after it was made VERY clear that they would. Simena didn’t even bother to show and vote. Must have had something more important to do.
The eleven "did not vote" are the biggest cowards in all of this. Patty Murray and Seenomas should be primarried, if they're up in 2022 or whenever they're up. Manchin should just switch sides and be honest about it. Those 35 repubs are all hypocrites and next election they should run ads with split images of their Benghazi demands versus their justification for this vote, particularly for Tom I'm A Warrior Hear Me Roar Cotton. Despicable. Truth, justice and the 'Murican way. Woot!
If she had a family emergency and couldn’t be there for a vote then I’d say she’s excused. However, there should be a procedure whereby you can appoint a senior staffer to cast the vote on your behalf. With permission from both party senior leadership and the sergeant at arms holding the vote for the absent member. Something other than “not voting” because you couldn’t be there. Those who were present and “not voting?” Dereliction of duty.
GOP blocks Capitol riot probe, displaying loyalty to Trump
By MARY CLARE JALONICK and LISA MASCARO
26 mins ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — Senate Republicans on Friday blocked creation of a bipartisan panel to investigate the deadly Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, displaying continuing party loyalty to former President Donald Trump and firm determination to shift the political focus away from the violent insurrection by his GOP supporters.
The Senate vote was 54-35 — six short of the 60 needed — to take up a House-passed bill that would have formed an independent 10-member commission evenly split between the two parties. It came a day after emotional appeals for the commission from police who fought the mob, the family of an officer who died and lawmakers in both parties who fled Capitol chambers in the worst attack on the building in two centuries.
The Republicans were mostly but not totally united: Six voted with Democrats to move forward. Eleven senators — nine Republicans and two Democrats — missed the vote, an unusually high number of absentees for one of the highest-profile votes of the year. At least one of the missing Republicans would have voted in favor of considering the commission, according to his office.
The GOP opposition means that questions about who should bear responsibility for the attack could continue to be filtered through a partisan lens — in congressional committees — rather than addressed by an outside, independent panel modeled after the commission that investigated the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.
“The investigations will happen with or without Republicans," declared Louisiana Sen. Bill Cassidy, one of the Republicans who voted to move forward. "To ensure the investigations are fair, impartial and focused on the facts, Republicans need to be involved.”
The vote was in part a GOP attempt to placate Trump, or avoid his reprisals, as he has kept a firm hold on the party since his defeat by Democrat Joe Biden. The former president told his supporters to “fight like hell” to overturn his defeat before the siege and continues to falsely say he won the election — claims shouted by his supporters as they stormed the building. Trump called the commission legislation a “Democrat trap.”
Friday’s vote — the first successful use of a Senate filibuster in the Biden presidency — was emblematic of the profound mistrust between the two parties since the siege, especially among Republicans, with some in the party downplaying the violence and defending the rioters.
The vote also is likely to galvanize Democratic pressure to do away with the filibuster, a time-honored procedure typically used to kill major legislation. It requires 60 votes to move ahead, rather than a simple majority in the 100-member Senate. With the Senate evenly split 50-50, Democrats needed support from 10 Republicans to move to the commission bill.
Speaking to his Republican colleagues, Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer said after the vote they were “trying to sweep the horrors of that day under the rug” out of “fear or fealty” to Trump. He left open the possibility of another vote in the future on establishing a bipartisan commission, declaring, “The events of Jan. 6 will be investigated.”
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi echoed that commitment, saying that Democrats “will find the truth.”
Though the bill to form the commission passed the House earlier this month with the support of almost three dozen Republicans, most GOP senators said they believed the bipartisan panel would eventually be used against them politically. While initially saying he was open to the idea, Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell turned firmly against it in recent days, arguing that the panel’s investigation would be partisan despite the even split among party members.
McConnell, who once said Trump was responsible for provoking the mob attack on the Capitol, said dismissively of Democrats, “They’d like to continue to litigate the former president, into the future.”
Still, six in McConnell's caucus defied him, arguing that an independent look was needed, and Pennsylvania's Pat Toomey would have brought the total to seven but for a family commitment, his office said. In addition to Cassidy, the Republicans who voted to move forward were Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Susan Collins of Maine, Ben Sasse of Nebraska, Rob Portman of Ohio and Mitt Romney of Utah.
Murkowski said Thursday evening that she needed to know more about what happened before and on the day of the attack, and why.
“Truth is hard stuff, but we’ve got a responsibility to it,” she said. “We just can’t pretend that nothing bad happened, or that people just got too excitable. Something bad happened. And it’s important to lay that out.”
Some Republican colleagues strongly disagree, defending the rioters who supported Trump and his false insistence that the election was stolen from him. A House Republican said this month that one video of the insurrection looked like “a normal tourist visit.”
In reality, the attack was the worst on the Capitol in 200 years. The protesters interrupted the certification of Biden’s win over Trump, constructed a mock gallows in front of the Capitol and called for the hanging of Vice President Mike Pence, who was overseeing the proceedings inside. Lawmakers hid on the floor of the House balcony as the rioters tried to break in, and senators evacuated their chamber mere minutes before it was ransacked.
Four of the protesters died that day, including a woman who was shot and killed by police as she tried to break into the House chamber. Dozens of police officers were injured, and two took their own lives in the days afterward.
Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick collapsed and died after engaging with the rioters, and video showed two men spraying Sicknick and another officer with a chemical. The Washington medical examiner said he suffered a stroke and died from natural causes.
Senate Democrats angrily questioned how the Republicans could vote against an independent investigation.
“An insurrection without consequences — without even a proper investigation — is a dress rehearsal for another insurrection,” said Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin, the No. 2 Democrat in Congress. “When the Capitol police, who protect us with their lives, ask for this commission, we are ingrates to refuse.”
The Republicans' political arguments over the violent siege — which is still raw for many in the Capitol, almost five months later — have frustrated not only the Democrats and some of their Republican colleagues but also those who fought off the rioters. Sicknick’s mother, girlfriend and two police officers who battled the rioters alongside him went office to office and asked Republicans to support the commission.
Michael Fanone, a Metropolitan Police Department officer who responded to the attack, joined Sicknick's family on Capitol Hill Thursday. In between meetings with Republican senators, he said a commission is “necessary for us to heal as a nation from the trauma that we all experienced that day.” Fanone has described being dragged down the Capitol steps by rioters who shocked him with a stun gun and beat him.
Sicknick's mother, Gladys Sicknick, suggested those who opposed the panel visit her son's grave.
In interview on CNN after the vote, she asked of the Republicans: “What kind of country do they want?”
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Associated Press writers Alan Fram, Colleen Long and Padmananda Rama contributed to this report.
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Yes, it's fine, as in that is what 2A is for me also. I also disagree on what he thinks is rebellious though. You miss the follow up after my statement?
Nope. I read your follow up. Just trying to determine what you deem acceptable for an armed rebellion. Would the insurrectionists that stormed the Capitol been justified had they armed themselves?
What do you think I meant? I’ve said previously that the people whom stormed the Capital should be imprisoned.
Yes, it's fine, as in that is what 2A is for me also. I also disagree on what he thinks is rebellious though. You miss the follow up after my statement?
Nope. I read your follow up. Just trying to determine what you deem acceptable for an armed rebellion. Would the insurrectionists that stormed the Capitol been justified had they armed themselves?
What do you think I meant? I’ve said previously that the people whom stormed the Capital should be imprisoned.
Trying to understand what you deem acceptable.
Gaetz statement- no Whitmer plot- that's fine Capitol riot- no
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Texas GOP puts final touches on sweeping voting restrictions
By PAUL J. WEBER and ACACIA CORONADO
25 mins ago
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Texas Republicans dug in Saturday for a final weekend vote on some of the most restrictive new voting laws in the U.S., putting the last touches on a sweeping bill that would eliminate drive-thru voting, empower partisan poll watchers and limit voting on Sundays, when many Black churchgoers head to the polls.
The changes would need to be approved before midnight on Sunday, when the GOP-controlled Legislature wraps up a session dominated by Republicans muscling through staunchly conservative measures pertaining to guns, abortion and how race can be taught in public schools.
But none have drawn backlash like Senate Bill 7, which Republicans packed with a raft of new voting restrictions that would alter how the country's biggest red state conducts elections. Democrats have virtually no path to stop it from passing, thereby putting Republicans on the brink of a major victory in their nationwide campaign to impose new voting restrictions driven by former President Donald Trump’s false claims that the 2020 election was stolen from him.
Republican Gov. Greg Abbott has said he will sign the measure, which Democrats have said they would challenge in court.
President Joe Biden released a statement calling the Texas bill's final form "wrong and un-American.”
“Today, Texas legislators put forth a bill that joins Georgia and Florida in advancing a state law that attacks the sacred right to vote. It’s part of an assault on democracy that we’ve seen far too often this year — and often disproportionately targeting Black and Brown Americans,” Biden said.
The final version of the bill was hashed out behind closed doors by negotiators from the state House and Senate, nearly all of whom were Republicans. They preserved the elimination of 24-hour polling stations and drive-thru voting centers, both of which Harris County, the state's largest Democratic stronghold, introduced last year in an election that saw record turnout.
GOP legislators are also moving to prohibit Sunday voting before 1 p.m., which critics called an attack on what is commonly known as “souls to the polls" — a get-out-the vote campaign used by Black church congregations nationwide. The idea traces back to the civil rights movement. Gary Bledsoe, president of the NAACP of Texas, said the provision is “clearly intended to limit the Sunday vote” and would result in longer afternoon lines at polling places.
Texas is also set to newly empower partisan poll watchers, allowing them more access inside polling places and threatening criminal penalties against elections officials who restrict their movement. Republicans originally proposed giving poll watchers the right to take photos, but that language was removed from the final bill that lawmakers were set to vote on this weekend.
Major corporations, including Texas-based American Airlines and Dell, have warned that the measures could harm democracy and the economic climate. But Republicans shrugged off their objections, and some cases, ripped business leaders for speaking out.
The top Republican negotiators, state Sen. Bryan Hughes and state Rep. Briscoe Cain, called the bill “one of the most comprehensive and sensible election reform bills” in Texas' history.
“Even as the national media minimizes the importance of election integrity, the Texas Legislature has not bent to headlines or corporate virtue signaling,” they said in a joint statement.
Texas already has some of the country's tightest voting restrictions and is regularly cited by nonpartisan groups as a state where it is especially hard to vote. It was one of the few states that did not make it easier to vote by mail during the pandemic.
It is also the last big battleground in Republicans' efforts to tighten voting laws around the country. Florida, Georgia, and Arizona have also approved new voting restrictions in recent months.
Since Trump's defeat, at least 14 states have enacted more restrictive voting laws, according to the New York-based Brennan Center for Justice. It has also counted nearly 400 bills filed this year nationwide that would restrict voting.
Republican lawmakers in Texas have insisted that the changes are not a response to Trump’s false claims of widespread fraud but are needed to restore confidence in the voting process. But doubts about the election’s outcome have been fanned by some of the state's top GOP leaders, including Attorney General Ken Paxton, who led a failed lawsuit at the U.S. Supreme Court to try to overturn the election.
Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, who chaired Trump’s presidential campaign in Texas, offered a $1 million reward to anyone who could produce evidence of voter fraud. Nonpartisan investigations of previous elections have found that voter fraud is exceedingly rare. State officials from both parties, including in Texas, as well as international observers have also said the 2020 election went well.
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Associated Press Writer Nicholas Riccardi in Denver contributed to this report.
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Texas GOP's strict voting bill on the verge of final vote
By PAUL J. WEBER and ACACIA CORONADO
6 mins ago
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — The Texas Legislature was on the verge Sunday of signing off on some of the most restrictive voting measures in the U.S., putting the GOP on the brink of a major victory in their nationwide effort to tighten voting access following the 2020 election.
A vote in the state House expected later Sunday is the last barrier to sending Republican Gov. Greg Abbott a raft of election changes that would eliminate drive-thru voting, empower partisan poll watchers and impose new requirements in order to cast a ballot by mail in Texas, which already has some of toughest voting laws in the nation.
Democrats dug in for one last and longshot challenge on the House floor but had little means of stopping the bill. Hours earlier on Sunday, the Texas Senate muscled the bill through shortly after sunrise after bringing it up for a vote in the middle of the night on a Memorial Day weekend, when the state Capitol was all but empty.
Even before the final House vote, Democrats said they would try to block the measure in court.
“It's an awful bill," said Democratic state Rep. Jessica Gonzalez, the vice chairwoman of the House Elections Committee. ”But I'm hopeful that this underhanded behavior, the way they undercut the process, will help us when we litigate this."
Under revisions during closed-door negotiations, Republicans added language that could make it easier for a judge to overturn an election and pushed back the start of Sunday voting, when many Black churchgoers head to the polls. The 67-page measure would also eliminate drive-thru voting and 24-hour polling centers, both of which Harris County, the state’s largest Democratic stronghold, introduced last year.
Texas is the last big battleground in the GOP's nationwide efforts to tighten voting laws, driven by former President Donald Trump's false claims that the 2020 election was stolen from him. Georgia and Florida have also passed new voting restrictions, and President Joe Biden on Saturday unfavorably compared Texas' bill to election changes in those states as “an assault on democracy.”
The vote in the Texas Senate came just a short time after a final version of the bill had been made public Saturday. Around midnight, Republicans wielded their majority to suspend rules that would normally prohibit taking a vote on a bill that had not been posted for 24 hours, which Democrats protested as a breach of protocol that denied them and the public time to review the language first.
The bill would newly empower partisan poll watchers by allowing them more access inside polling places and threatening criminal penalties against elections officials who restrict their movement. Republicans originally proposed giving poll watchers the right to take photos, but that language was removed from the final bill that lawmakers were set to vote on this weekend.
Another new provision could also make it easier to overturn an election in Texas, allowing for a judge to void an outcome if the number of fraudulent votes cast could change the result, regardless of whether it was proved that fraud affected the outcome.
Election officials would also face new criminal penalties, including felony charges for sending mail voting applications to people who did not request one. The Texas District and County Attorneys Association tweeted that it had counted in the bill at least 16 new, expanded or enhanced crimes related to elections.
GOP legislators are also moving to prohibit Sunday voting before 1 p.m., which critics called an attack on what is commonly known as “souls to the polls” — a get-out-the-vote campaign used by Black church congregations nationwide. The idea traces back to the civil rights movement. Democratic state Rep. Nicole Collier, chairwoman of the Texas Legislative Black Caucus, said the change is “going to disengage, disenfranchise those who use the souls to the polls opportunity.”
Pressed on the Senate floor over why Sunday voting couldn't begin sooner, Republican Sen. Bryan Hughes said, “Election workers want to go to church, too.”
Collier was one of three Democrats picked to negotiate the final version, none of whom signed their name to it. She said she saw a draft of the bill around 11 p.m. Friday — which was different than one she had received earlier that day — and was asked for her signature the next morning.
Major corporations, including Texas-based American Airlines and Dell, have warned that the measures could harm democracy and the economic climate. But Republicans shrugged off their objections, and in some cases, ripped business leaders for speaking out.
Texas already has some of the country’s tightest voting restrictions and is regularly cited by nonpartisan groups as a state where it is especially hard to vote. It was one of the few states that did not make it easier to vote by mail during the pandemic.
The top Republican negotiators, Hughes and state Rep. Briscoe Cain, called the bill “one of the most comprehensive and sensible election reform bills” in Texas’ history.
“Even as the national media minimizes the importance of election integrity, the Texas Legislature has not bent to headlines or corporate virtue signaling,” they said in a joint statement.
Since Trump’s defeat, at least 14 states have enacted more restrictive voting laws, according to the New York-based Brennan Center for Justice. It has also counted nearly 400 bills filed this year nationwide that would restrict voting.
Republican lawmakers in Texas have insisted that the changes are not a response to Trump’s false claims of widespread fraud but are needed to restore confidence in the voting process. But doubts about the election’s outcome have been fanned by some of the state’s top GOP leaders, including Attorney General Ken Paxton, who led a failed lawsuit at the U.S. Supreme Court to try to overturn the election.
Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, who chaired Trump’s presidential campaign in Texas, offered a $1 million reward to anyone who could produce evidence of voter fraud. Nonpartisan investigations of previous elections have found that voter fraud is exceedingly rare. State officials from both parties, including in Texas, as well as international observers have also said the 2020 election went well.
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Yes, it's fine, as in that is what 2A is for me also. I also disagree on what he thinks is rebellious though. You miss the follow up after my statement?
Nope. I read your follow up. Just trying to determine what you deem acceptable for an armed rebellion. Would the insurrectionists that stormed the Capitol been justified had they armed themselves?
What do you think I meant? I’ve said previously that the people whom stormed the Capital should be imprisoned.
Trying to understand what you deem acceptable.
Gaetz statement- no Whitmer plot- that's fine Capitol riot- no
I believe it is acceptable to overturn/overthrow, whatever word you'd like to use, the government if it really did go sideways and things are so corrupt that the system doesn't work anymore.
All 3 you mentioned do not fit that criteria.
One of my favorite lines in a song "If there's a new way, I'll be the first in line, but it had better work this time"
Yes, it's fine, as in that is what 2A is for me also. I also disagree on what he thinks is rebellious though. You miss the follow up after my statement?
Nope. I read your follow up. Just trying to determine what you deem acceptable for an armed rebellion. Would the insurrectionists that stormed the Capitol been justified had they armed themselves?
What do you think I meant? I’ve said previously that the people whom stormed the Capital should be imprisoned.
Trying to understand what you deem acceptable.
Gaetz statement- no Whitmer plot- that's fine Capitol riot- no
I believe it is acceptable to overturn/overthrow, whatever word you'd like to use, the government if it really did go sideways and things are so corrupt that the system doesn't work anymore.
All 3 you mentioned do not fit that criteria.
One of my favorite lines in a song "If there's a new way, I'll be the first in line, but it had better work this time"
This post I can agree with. It was your stance on 2A and use to overturn our government that I disagree with. And perhaps there was a miscommunication. I thought you had stated the Whitmer plot was acceptable. Here you say it was not. That is why I was seeking clarity.
Yes, it's fine, as in that is what 2A is for me also. I also disagree on what he thinks is rebellious though. You miss the follow up after my statement?
Nope. I read your follow up. Just trying to determine what you deem acceptable for an armed rebellion. Would the insurrectionists that stormed the Capitol been justified had they armed themselves?
What do you think I meant? I’ve said previously that the people whom stormed the Capital should be imprisoned.
Trying to understand what you deem acceptable.
Gaetz statement- no Whitmer plot- that's fine Capitol riot- no
I believe it is acceptable to overturn/overthrow, whatever word you'd like to use, the government if it really did go sideways and things are so corrupt that the system doesn't work anymore.
All 3 you mentioned do not fit that criteria.
One of my favorite lines in a song "If there's a new way, I'll be the first in line, but it had better work this time"
Yes, it's fine, as in that is what 2A is for me also. I also disagree on what he thinks is rebellious though. You miss the follow up after my statement?
Nope. I read your follow up. Just trying to determine what you deem acceptable for an armed rebellion. Would the insurrectionists that stormed the Capitol been justified had they armed themselves?
What do you think I meant? I’ve said previously that the people whom stormed the Capital should be imprisoned.
Trying to understand what you deem acceptable.
Gaetz statement- no Whitmer plot- that's fine Capitol riot- no
I believe it is acceptable to overturn/overthrow, whatever word you'd like to use, the government if it really did go sideways and things are so corrupt that the system doesn't work anymore.
All 3 you mentioned do not fit that criteria.
One of my favorite lines in a song "If there's a new way, I'll be the first in line, but it had better work this time"
Boooo.. Dave Mustaine...Boooo
Can we put a price on peace?
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up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,781
Yes, it's fine, as in that is what 2A is for me also. I also disagree on what he thinks is rebellious though. You miss the follow up after my statement?
Nope. I read your follow up. Just trying to determine what you deem acceptable for an armed rebellion. Would the insurrectionists that stormed the Capitol been justified had they armed themselves?
What do you think I meant? I’ve said previously that the people whom stormed the Capital should be imprisoned.
Trying to understand what you deem acceptable.
Gaetz statement- no Whitmer plot- that's fine Capitol riot- no
I believe it is acceptable to overturn/overthrow, whatever word you'd like to use, the government if it really did go sideways and things are so corrupt that the system doesn't work anymore.
All 3 you mentioned do not fit that criteria.
One of my favorite lines in a song "If there's a new way, I'll be the first in line, but it had better work this time"
This post I can agree with. It was your stance on 2A and use to overturn our government that I disagree with. And perhaps there was a miscommunication. I thought you had stated the Whitmer plot was acceptable. Here you say it was not. That is why I was seeking clarity.
Viva la revolucion!
we do have a way to non-violently overthrow the government. Its called the ballot box. Federally it happens every two years, the potential at least.
2a is state run militias protecting the freedom of the state.
elsewhere in the consitution , it expressly provides the duty to put down insurrection......
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Yes, it's fine, as in that is what 2A is for me also. I also disagree on what he thinks is rebellious though. You miss the follow up after my statement?
Nope. I read your follow up. Just trying to determine what you deem acceptable for an armed rebellion. Would the insurrectionists that stormed the Capitol been justified had they armed themselves?
What do you think I meant? I’ve said previously that the people whom stormed the Capital should be imprisoned.
Trying to understand what you deem acceptable.
Gaetz statement- no Whitmer plot- that's fine Capitol riot- no
I believe it is acceptable to overturn/overthrow, whatever word you'd like to use, the government if it really did go sideways and things are so corrupt that the system doesn't work anymore.
All 3 you mentioned do not fit that criteria.
One of my favorite lines in a song "If there's a new way, I'll be the first in line, but it had better work this time"
This post I can agree with. It was your stance on 2A and use to overturn our government that I disagree with. And perhaps there was a miscommunication. I thought you had stated the Whitmer plot was acceptable. Here you say it was not. That is why I was seeking clarity.
Viva la revolucion!
All this Storm the castle crap with loading up your guns is beyond dumb. I'm a big 2A guy but brandishing your firearms is a stupid tactic.
Yes, it's fine, as in that is what 2A is for me also. I also disagree on what he thinks is rebellious though. You miss the follow up after my statement?
Nope. I read your follow up. Just trying to determine what you deem acceptable for an armed rebellion. Would the insurrectionists that stormed the Capitol been justified had they armed themselves?
What do you think I meant? I’ve said previously that the people whom stormed the Capital should be imprisoned.
Trying to understand what you deem acceptable.
Gaetz statement- no Whitmer plot- that's fine Capitol riot- no
I believe it is acceptable to overturn/overthrow, whatever word you'd like to use, the government if it really did go sideways and things are so corrupt that the system doesn't work anymore.
All 3 you mentioned do not fit that criteria.
One of my favorite lines in a song "If there's a new way, I'll be the first in line, but it had better work this time"
Boooo.. Dave Mustaine...Boooo
Can we put a price on peace?
only if Jason Newsted is the new Megadeth bass player.
Yes, it's fine, as in that is what 2A is for me also. I also disagree on what he thinks is rebellious though. You miss the follow up after my statement?
Nope. I read your follow up. Just trying to determine what you deem acceptable for an armed rebellion. Would the insurrectionists that stormed the Capitol been justified had they armed themselves?
What do you think I meant? I’ve said previously that the people whom stormed the Capital should be imprisoned.
Trying to understand what you deem acceptable.
Gaetz statement- no Whitmer plot- that's fine Capitol riot- no
I believe it is acceptable to overturn/overthrow, whatever word you'd like to use, the government if it really did go sideways and things are so corrupt that the system doesn't work anymore.
All 3 you mentioned do not fit that criteria.
One of my favorite lines in a song "If there's a new way, I'll be the first in line, but it had better work this time"
Boooo.. Dave Mustaine...Boooo
Can we put a price on peace?
only if Jason Newsted is the new Megadeth bass player.
Yeah, long time bassist Ellefson is gone. He was literally the only member to stay employed all these years.
Remember a few short years ago we were debating “how it couldn’t happen here,” and how outraged some were for the comparison?
From the WaPo:
Arizona is taking steps to use hydrogen cyanide, the deadly gas used during the genocide perpetrated by the Nazis at Auschwitz and other extermination camps, to kill inmates on death row.
Corrections officials have refurbished a gas chamber that hasn’t been used in more than 20 years and have procured ingredients for the lethal gas, also known as Zyklon B, according to partially redacted documents obtained by the Guardian. Invoices show that the state purchased a brick of potassium cyanide, sodium hydroxide pellets and sulfuric acid, and a report details the considerable efforts taken to deem the gas chamber at a prison in Florence, Ariz., “operationally ready.”
Remember a few short years ago we were debating “how it couldn’t happen here,” and how outraged some were for the comparison?
From the WaPo:
Arizona is taking steps to use hydrogen cyanide, the deadly gas used during the genocide perpetrated by the Nazis at Auschwitz and other extermination camps, to kill inmates on death row.
Corrections officials have refurbished a gas chamber that hasn’t been used in more than 20 years and have procured ingredients for the lethal gas, also known as Zyklon B, according to partially redacted documents obtained by the Guardian. Invoices show that the state purchased a brick of potassium cyanide, sodium hydroxide pellets and sulfuric acid, and a report details the considerable efforts taken to deem the gas chamber at a prison in Florence, Ariz., “operationally ready.”
Remember a few short years ago we were debating “how it couldn’t happen here,” and how outraged some were for the comparison?
From the WaPo:
Arizona is taking steps to use hydrogen cyanide, the deadly gas used during the genocide perpetrated by the Nazis at Auschwitz and other extermination camps, to kill inmates on death row.
Corrections officials have refurbished a gas chamber that hasn’t been used in more than 20 years and have procured ingredients for the lethal gas, also known as Zyklon B, according to partially redacted documents obtained by the Guardian. Invoices show that the state purchased a brick of potassium cyanide, sodium hydroxide pellets and sulfuric acid, and a report details the considerable efforts taken to deem the gas chamber at a prison in Florence, Ariz., “operationally ready.”
Remember a few short years ago we were debating “how it couldn’t happen here,” and how outraged some were for the comparison?
From the WaPo:
Arizona is taking steps to use hydrogen cyanide, the deadly gas used during the genocide perpetrated by the Nazis at Auschwitz and other extermination camps, to kill inmates on death row.
Corrections officials have refurbished a gas chamber that hasn’t been used in more than 20 years and have procured ingredients for the lethal gas, also known as Zyklon B, according to partially redacted documents obtained by the Guardian. Invoices show that the state purchased a brick of potassium cyanide, sodium hydroxide pellets and sulfuric acid, and a report details the considerable efforts taken to deem the gas chamber at a prison in Florence, Ariz., “operationally ready.”
Remember a few short years ago we were debating “how it couldn’t happen here,” and how outraged some were for the comparison?
From the WaPo:
Arizona is taking steps to use hydrogen cyanide, the deadly gas used during the genocide perpetrated by the Nazis at Auschwitz and other extermination camps, to kill inmates on death row.
Corrections officials have refurbished a gas chamber that hasn’t been used in more than 20 years and have procured ingredients for the lethal gas, also known as Zyklon B, according to partially redacted documents obtained by the Guardian. Invoices show that the state purchased a brick of potassium cyanide, sodium hydroxide pellets and sulfuric acid, and a report details the considerable efforts taken to deem the gas chamber at a prison in Florence, Ariz., “operationally ready.”
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Remember a few short years ago we were debating “how it couldn’t happen here,” and how outraged some were for the comparison?
From the WaPo:
Arizona is taking steps to use hydrogen cyanide, the deadly gas used during the genocide perpetrated by the Nazis at Auschwitz and other extermination camps, to kill inmates on death row.
Corrections officials have refurbished a gas chamber that hasn’t been used in more than 20 years and have procured ingredients for the lethal gas, also known as Zyklon B, according to partially redacted documents obtained by the Guardian. Invoices show that the state purchased a brick of potassium cyanide, sodium hydroxide pellets and sulfuric acid, and a report details the considerable efforts taken to deem the gas chamber at a prison in Florence, Ariz., “operationally ready.”
Remember a few short years ago we were debating “how it couldn’t happen here,” and how outraged some were for the comparison?
From the WaPo:
Arizona is taking steps to use hydrogen cyanide, the deadly gas used during the genocide perpetrated by the Nazis at Auschwitz and other extermination camps, to kill inmates on death row.
Corrections officials have refurbished a gas chamber that hasn’t been used in more than 20 years and have procured ingredients for the lethal gas, also known as Zyklon B, according to partially redacted documents obtained by the Guardian. Invoices show that the state purchased a brick of potassium cyanide, sodium hydroxide pellets and sulfuric acid, and a report details the considerable efforts taken to deem the gas chamber at a prison in Florence, Ariz., “operationally ready.”
Bad optics I suppose, to use Zyklon B. The gas chamber was used for years in the US but I wonder if it used that gas during that time.
Bad optics to me. We use 9mm bullets to this day and the Nazis used them too.
It's also called Hydrogen Cyanide. Look, if the state of Arizona wants to execute inmates because the Nazis used this gas and it's a homage to that then people are either out of their damn minds or someone/s in the AZ Corrections department is even further out of their minds and should be investigated if that is the perceived reasoning.
Remember a few short years ago we were debating “how it couldn’t happen here,” and how outraged some were for the comparison?
From the WaPo:
Arizona is taking steps to use hydrogen cyanide, the deadly gas used during the genocide perpetrated by the Nazis at Auschwitz and other extermination camps, to kill inmates on death row.
Corrections officials have refurbished a gas chamber that hasn’t been used in more than 20 years and have procured ingredients for the lethal gas, also known as Zyklon B, according to partially redacted documents obtained by the Guardian. Invoices show that the state purchased a brick of potassium cyanide, sodium hydroxide pellets and sulfuric acid, and a report details the considerable efforts taken to deem the gas chamber at a prison in Florence, Ariz., “operationally ready.”
Remember a few short years ago we were debating “how it couldn’t happen here,” and how outraged some were for the comparison?
From the WaPo:
Arizona is taking steps to use hydrogen cyanide, the deadly gas used during the genocide perpetrated by the Nazis at Auschwitz and other extermination camps, to kill inmates on death row.
Corrections officials have refurbished a gas chamber that hasn’t been used in more than 20 years and have procured ingredients for the lethal gas, also known as Zyklon B, according to partially redacted documents obtained by the Guardian. Invoices show that the state purchased a brick of potassium cyanide, sodium hydroxide pellets and sulfuric acid, and a report details the considerable efforts taken to deem the gas chamber at a prison in Florence, Ariz., “operationally ready.”
Bad optics I suppose, to use Zyklon B. The gas chamber was used for years in the US but I wonder if it used that gas during that time.
Bad optics to me. We use 9mm bullets to this day and the Nazis used them too.
It's also called Hydrogen Cyanide. Look, if the state of Arizona wants to execute inmates because the Nazis used this gas and it's a homage to that then people are either out of their damn minds or someone/s in the AZ Corrections department is even further out of their minds and should be investigated if that is the perceived reasoning.
Meh. A more apt analogy would be if SC decided that their new "execution by firing squad" used an MG42. 9MM is just a size.
If the death penalty is to be used at all, the goal should be to minimize suffering. Based on the political bent of the Arizona lawmakers, I imagine that this is being done as a desired punitive show to reinforce "law and order" and show how they are tough on criminals.
I really don't understand why we don't just sedate the person being executed and then do a lethal injection. Why do we have to go through the drama of electrocution, gas, firing squad, etc? How stupid.
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I really don't understand why we don't just sedate the person being executed and then do a lethal injection. Why do we have to go through the drama of electrocution, gas, firing squad, etc? How stupid.
Because the pharmaceutical companies have increasingly refused to allow their drugs to be used for execution.
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Senate Republicans on Friday blocked creation of a bipartisan panel to investigate the deadly Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, displaying continuing party loyalty to former President Donald Trump and firm determination to shift the political focus away from the violent insurrection by his GOP supporters.
The Senate vote was 54-35 — six short of the 60 needed — to take up a House-passed bill that would have formed an independent 10-member commission evenly split between the two parties. It came a day after emotional appeals for the commission from police who fought the mob, the family of an officer who died and lawmakers in both parties who fled Capitol chambers in the worst attack on the building in two centuries.
The Republicans were mostly but not totally united: Six voted with Democrats to move forward. Eleven senators — nine Republicans and two Democrats — missed the vote, an unusually high number of absentees for one of the highest-profile votes of the year. At least one of the missing Republicans would have voted in favor of considering the commission, according to his office.
The GOP opposition means that questions about who should bear responsibility for the attack could continue to be filtered through a partisan lens — in congressional committees — rather than addressed by an outside, independent panel modeled after the commission that investigated the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.
“The investigations will happen with or without Republicans," declared Louisiana Sen. Bill Cassidy, one of the Republicans who voted to move forward. "To ensure the investigations are fair, impartial and focused on the facts, Republicans need to be involved.”
The vote was in part a GOP attempt to placate Trump, or avoid his reprisals, as he has kept a firm hold on the party since his defeat by Democrat Joe Biden. The former president told his supporters to “fight like hell” to overturn his defeat before the siege and continues to falsely say he won the election — claims shouted by his supporters as they stormed the building. Trump called the commission legislation a “Democrat trap.”
Friday’s vote — the first successful use of a Senate filibuster in the Biden presidency — was emblematic of the profound mistrust between the two parties since the siege, especially among Republicans, with some in the party downplaying the violence and defending the rioters.
The vote also is likely to galvanize Democratic pressure to do away with the filibuster, a time-honored procedure typically used to kill major legislation. It requires 60 votes to move ahead, rather than a simple majority in the 100-member Senate. With the Senate evenly split 50-50, Democrats needed support from 10 Republicans to move to the commission bill.
Speaking to his Republican colleagues, Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer said after the vote they were “trying to sweep the horrors of that day under the rug” out of “fear or fealty” to Trump. He left open the possibility of another vote in the future on establishing a bipartisan commission, declaring, “The events of Jan. 6 will be investigated.”
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi echoed that commitment, saying that Democrats “will find the truth.”
Though the bill to form the commission passed the House earlier this month with the support of almost three dozen Republicans, most GOP senators said they believed the bipartisan panel would eventually be used against them politically. While initially saying he was open to the idea, Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell turned firmly against it in recent days, arguing that the panel’s investigation would be partisan despite the even split among party members.
McConnell, who once said Trump was responsible for provoking the mob attack on the Capitol, said dismissively of Democrats, “They’d like to continue to litigate the former president, into the future.”
Still, six in McConnell's caucus defied him, arguing that an independent look was needed, and Pennsylvania's Pat Toomey would have brought the total to seven but for a family commitment, his office said. In addition to Cassidy, the Republicans who voted to move forward were Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Susan Collins of Maine, Ben Sasse of Nebraska, Rob Portman of Ohio and Mitt Romney of Utah.
Murkowski said Thursday evening that she needed to know more about what happened before and on the day of the attack, and why.
“Truth is hard stuff, but we’ve got a responsibility to it,” she said. “We just can’t pretend that nothing bad happened, or that people just got too excitable. Something bad happened. And it’s important to lay that out.”
Some Republican colleagues strongly disagree, defending the rioters who supported Trump and his false insistence that the election was stolen from him. A House Republican said this month that one video of the insurrection looked like “a normal tourist visit.”
In reality, the attack was the worst on the Capitol in 200 years. The protesters interrupted the certification of Biden’s win over Trump, constructed a mock gallows in front of the Capitol and called for the hanging of Vice President Mike Pence, who was overseeing the proceedings inside. Lawmakers hid on the floor of the House balcony as the rioters tried to break in, and senators evacuated their chamber mere minutes before it was ransacked.
Four of the protesters died that day, including a woman who was shot and killed by police as she tried to break into the House chamber. Dozens of police officers were injured, and two took their own lives in the days afterward.
Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick collapsed and died after engaging with the rioters, and video showed two men spraying Sicknick and another officer with a chemical. The Washington medical examiner said he suffered a stroke and died from natural causes.
Senate Democrats angrily questioned how the Republicans could vote against an independent investigation.
“An insurrection without consequences — without even a proper investigation — is a dress rehearsal for another insurrection,” said Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin, the No. 2 Democrat in Congress. “When the Capitol police, who protect us with their lives, ask for this commission, we are ingrates to refuse.”
The Republicans' political arguments over the violent siege — which is still raw for many in the Capitol, almost five months later — have frustrated not only the Democrats and some of their Republican colleagues but also those who fought off the rioters. Sicknick’s mother, girlfriend and two police officers who battled the rioters alongside him went office to office and asked Republicans to support the commission.
Michael Fanone, a Metropolitan Police Department officer who responded to the attack, joined Sicknick's family on Capitol Hill Thursday. In between meetings with Republican senators, he said a commission is “necessary for us to heal as a nation from the trauma that we all experienced that day.” Fanone has described being dragged down the Capitol steps by rioters who shocked him with a stun gun and beat him.
Sicknick's mother, Gladys Sicknick, suggested those who opposed the panel visit her son's grave.
In interview on CNN after the vote, she asked of the Republicans: “What kind of country do they want?”
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Associated Press writers Alan Fram, Colleen Long and Padmananda Rama contributed to this report.
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AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Texas Republicans dug in Saturday for a final weekend vote on some of the most restrictive new voting laws in the U.S., putting the last touches on a sweeping bill that would eliminate drive-thru voting, empower partisan poll watchers and limit voting on Sundays, when many Black churchgoers head to the polls.
The changes would need to be approved before midnight on Sunday, when the GOP-controlled Legislature wraps up a session dominated by Republicans muscling through staunchly conservative measures pertaining to guns, abortion and how race can be taught in public schools.
But none have drawn backlash like Senate Bill 7, which Republicans packed with a raft of new voting restrictions that would alter how the country's biggest red state conducts elections. Democrats have virtually no path to stop it from passing, thereby putting Republicans on the brink of a major victory in their nationwide campaign to impose new voting restrictions driven by former President Donald Trump’s false claims that the 2020 election was stolen from him.
Republican Gov. Greg Abbott has said he will sign the measure, which Democrats have said they would challenge in court.
President Joe Biden released a statement calling the Texas bill's final form "wrong and un-American.”
“Today, Texas legislators put forth a bill that joins Georgia and Florida in advancing a state law that attacks the sacred right to vote. It’s part of an assault on democracy that we’ve seen far too often this year — and often disproportionately targeting Black and Brown Americans,” Biden said.
The final version of the bill was hashed out behind closed doors by negotiators from the state House and Senate, nearly all of whom were Republicans. They preserved the elimination of 24-hour polling stations and drive-thru voting centers, both of which Harris County, the state's largest Democratic stronghold, introduced last year in an election that saw record turnout.
GOP legislators are also moving to prohibit Sunday voting before 1 p.m., which critics called an attack on what is commonly known as “souls to the polls" — a get-out-the vote campaign used by Black church congregations nationwide. The idea traces back to the civil rights movement. Gary Bledsoe, president of the NAACP of Texas, said the provision is “clearly intended to limit the Sunday vote” and would result in longer afternoon lines at polling places.
Texas is also set to newly empower partisan poll watchers, allowing them more access inside polling places and threatening criminal penalties against elections officials who restrict their movement. Republicans originally proposed giving poll watchers the right to take photos, but that language was removed from the final bill that lawmakers were set to vote on this weekend.
Major corporations, including Texas-based American Airlines and Dell, have warned that the measures could harm democracy and the economic climate. But Republicans shrugged off their objections, and some cases, ripped business leaders for speaking out.
The top Republican negotiators, state Sen. Bryan Hughes and state Rep. Briscoe Cain, called the bill “one of the most comprehensive and sensible election reform bills” in Texas' history.
“Even as the national media minimizes the importance of election integrity, the Texas Legislature has not bent to headlines or corporate virtue signaling,” they said in a joint statement.
Texas already has some of the country's tightest voting restrictions and is regularly cited by nonpartisan groups as a state where it is especially hard to vote. It was one of the few states that did not make it easier to vote by mail during the pandemic.
It is also the last big battleground in Republicans' efforts to tighten voting laws around the country. Florida, Georgia, and Arizona have also approved new voting restrictions in recent months.
Since Trump's defeat, at least 14 states have enacted more restrictive voting laws, according to the New York-based Brennan Center for Justice. It has also counted nearly 400 bills filed this year nationwide that would restrict voting.
Republican lawmakers in Texas have insisted that the changes are not a response to Trump’s false claims of widespread fraud but are needed to restore confidence in the voting process. But doubts about the election’s outcome have been fanned by some of the state's top GOP leaders, including Attorney General Ken Paxton, who led a failed lawsuit at the U.S. Supreme Court to try to overturn the election.
Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, who chaired Trump’s presidential campaign in Texas, offered a $1 million reward to anyone who could produce evidence of voter fraud. Nonpartisan investigations of previous elections have found that voter fraud is exceedingly rare. State officials from both parties, including in Texas, as well as international observers have also said the 2020 election went well.
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Associated Press Writer Nicholas Riccardi in Denver contributed to this report.
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AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — The Texas Legislature was on the verge Sunday of signing off on some of the most restrictive voting measures in the U.S., putting the GOP on the brink of a major victory in their nationwide effort to tighten voting access following the 2020 election.
A vote in the state House expected later Sunday is the last barrier to sending Republican Gov. Greg Abbott a raft of election changes that would eliminate drive-thru voting, empower partisan poll watchers and impose new requirements in order to cast a ballot by mail in Texas, which already has some of toughest voting laws in the nation.
Democrats dug in for one last and longshot challenge on the House floor but had little means of stopping the bill. Hours earlier on Sunday, the Texas Senate muscled the bill through shortly after sunrise after bringing it up for a vote in the middle of the night on a Memorial Day weekend, when the state Capitol was all but empty.
Even before the final House vote, Democrats said they would try to block the measure in court.
“It's an awful bill," said Democratic state Rep. Jessica Gonzalez, the vice chairwoman of the House Elections Committee. ”But I'm hopeful that this underhanded behavior, the way they undercut the process, will help us when we litigate this."
Under revisions during closed-door negotiations, Republicans added language that could make it easier for a judge to overturn an election and pushed back the start of Sunday voting, when many Black churchgoers head to the polls. The 67-page measure would also eliminate drive-thru voting and 24-hour polling centers, both of which Harris County, the state’s largest Democratic stronghold, introduced last year.
Texas is the last big battleground in the GOP's nationwide efforts to tighten voting laws, driven by former President Donald Trump's false claims that the 2020 election was stolen from him. Georgia and Florida have also passed new voting restrictions, and President Joe Biden on Saturday unfavorably compared Texas' bill to election changes in those states as “an assault on democracy.”
The vote in the Texas Senate came just a short time after a final version of the bill had been made public Saturday. Around midnight, Republicans wielded their majority to suspend rules that would normally prohibit taking a vote on a bill that had not been posted for 24 hours, which Democrats protested as a breach of protocol that denied them and the public time to review the language first.
The bill would newly empower partisan poll watchers by allowing them more access inside polling places and threatening criminal penalties against elections officials who restrict their movement. Republicans originally proposed giving poll watchers the right to take photos, but that language was removed from the final bill that lawmakers were set to vote on this weekend.
Another new provision could also make it easier to overturn an election in Texas, allowing for a judge to void an outcome if the number of fraudulent votes cast could change the result, regardless of whether it was proved that fraud affected the outcome.
Election officials would also face new criminal penalties, including felony charges for sending mail voting applications to people who did not request one. The Texas District and County Attorneys Association tweeted that it had counted in the bill at least 16 new, expanded or enhanced crimes related to elections.
GOP legislators are also moving to prohibit Sunday voting before 1 p.m., which critics called an attack on what is commonly known as “souls to the polls” — a get-out-the-vote campaign used by Black church congregations nationwide. The idea traces back to the civil rights movement. Democratic state Rep. Nicole Collier, chairwoman of the Texas Legislative Black Caucus, said the change is “going to disengage, disenfranchise those who use the souls to the polls opportunity.”
Pressed on the Senate floor over why Sunday voting couldn't begin sooner, Republican Sen. Bryan Hughes said, “Election workers want to go to church, too.”
Collier was one of three Democrats picked to negotiate the final version, none of whom signed their name to it. She said she saw a draft of the bill around 11 p.m. Friday — which was different than one she had received earlier that day — and was asked for her signature the next morning.
Major corporations, including Texas-based American Airlines and Dell, have warned that the measures could harm democracy and the economic climate. But Republicans shrugged off their objections, and in some cases, ripped business leaders for speaking out.
Texas already has some of the country’s tightest voting restrictions and is regularly cited by nonpartisan groups as a state where it is especially hard to vote. It was one of the few states that did not make it easier to vote by mail during the pandemic.
The top Republican negotiators, Hughes and state Rep. Briscoe Cain, called the bill “one of the most comprehensive and sensible election reform bills” in Texas’ history.
“Even as the national media minimizes the importance of election integrity, the Texas Legislature has not bent to headlines or corporate virtue signaling,” they said in a joint statement.
Since Trump’s defeat, at least 14 states have enacted more restrictive voting laws, according to the New York-based Brennan Center for Justice. It has also counted nearly 400 bills filed this year nationwide that would restrict voting.
Republican lawmakers in Texas have insisted that the changes are not a response to Trump’s false claims of widespread fraud but are needed to restore confidence in the voting process. But doubts about the election’s outcome have been fanned by some of the state’s top GOP leaders, including Attorney General Ken Paxton, who led a failed lawsuit at the U.S. Supreme Court to try to overturn the election.
Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, who chaired Trump’s presidential campaign in Texas, offered a $1 million reward to anyone who could produce evidence of voter fraud. Nonpartisan investigations of previous elections have found that voter fraud is exceedingly rare. State officials from both parties, including in Texas, as well as international observers have also said the 2020 election went well.
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All 3 you mentioned do not fit that criteria.
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From the WaPo:
Arizona is taking steps to use hydrogen cyanide, the deadly gas used during the genocide perpetrated by the Nazis at Auschwitz and other extermination camps, to kill inmates on death row.
Corrections officials have refurbished a gas chamber that hasn’t been used in more than 20 years and have procured ingredients for the lethal gas, also known as Zyklon B, according to partially redacted documents obtained by the Guardian. Invoices show that the state purchased a brick of potassium cyanide, sodium hydroxide pellets and sulfuric acid, and a report details the considerable efforts taken to deem the gas chamber at a prison in Florence, Ariz., “operationally ready.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/06/01/arizona-gas-chamber-execution/
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Death Penalty is a death Penalty.
So what is the outrage here?
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It's also called Hydrogen Cyanide. Look, if the state of Arizona wants to execute inmates because the Nazis used this gas and it's a homage to that then people are either out of their damn minds or someone/s in the AZ Corrections department is even further out of their minds and should be investigated if that is the perceived reasoning.
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Because the pharmaceutical companies have increasingly refused to allow their drugs to be used for execution.