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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 38,975
    they still love Rudy? seriously?
    Yes, this is what people don't understand.  The cops, firemen, blue collar workers, myself, loved how he cleaned up NY but he did kill all the cool nightclubs we had in doing so.

    Most of those people still like him, myself not included.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,627
    they still love Rudy? seriously?
    Yes, this is what people don't understand.  The cops, firemen, blue collar workers, myself, loved how he cleaned up NY but he did kill all the cool nightclubs we had in doing so.

    Most of those people still like him, myself not included.
    Those guys are already voting team red.  And this is his son,  not him. 
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 38,975
    mrussel1 said:
    they still love Rudy? seriously?
    Yes, this is what people don't understand.  The cops, firemen, blue collar workers, myself, loved how he cleaned up NY but he did kill all the cool nightclubs we had in doing so.

    Most of those people still like him, myself not included.
    Those guys are already voting team red.  And this is his son,  not him. 
    The question was if people still like Gulianni.

    Yes they do.
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    eddieceddiec Posts: 3,835
    mrussel1 said:
    they still love Rudy? seriously?
    Yes, this is what people don't understand.  The cops, firemen, blue collar workers, myself, loved how he cleaned up NY but he did kill all the cool nightclubs we had in doing so.

    Most of those people still like him, myself not included.
    Those guys are already voting team red.  And this is his son,  not him. 
    The question was if people still like Gulianni.

    Yes they do.
    Yeah, sure, some people in NYC do, but they are in the minority. Unless you're on Staten Island. 
    The Bronx- 83% Biden
    Queens- 72% Biden
    Brooklyn- 77% Biden
    Manhattan- 87% Biden
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,580
    When was the last time Moscow Mitchy Baby had a pulse quicker than dead?
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,580
    Moscow Mitchy Baby is going to torpedo the bi-partisan commission so the repubs can whine, scream and complain how the subsequent house and senate Committees, a la Benghazi, are a partisan witch hunt, Dems are focused on the past and nothing else is getting done for the ‘Murican people. And guess what? It’ll work. Welcome to the autocracy. ‘Murica deserves everything that will flow from this.
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 38,975
    eddiec said:
    mrussel1 said:
    they still love Rudy? seriously?
    Yes, this is what people don't understand.  The cops, firemen, blue collar workers, myself, loved how he cleaned up NY but he did kill all the cool nightclubs we had in doing so.

    Most of those people still like him, myself not included.
    Those guys are already voting team red.  And this is his son,  not him. 
    The question was if people still like Gulianni.

    Yes they do.
    Yeah, sure, some people in NYC do, but they are in the minority. Unless you're on Staten Island. 
    The Bronx- 83% Biden
    Queens- 72% Biden
    Brooklyn- 77% Biden
    Manhattan- 87% Biden
    Cuomo is a republican and will most likely win again if he doesn't drop out.

    Long island, which also votes for govenor was in favor of Trump.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,580
    Ruddy Ghouliani’s son doesn’t fall far from the nutty tree. I wonder if he can do the googily eyes too? Off to a great start. Were any of them spent in Ukraine?

    https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/world/news/andrew-giuliani-says-he-has-spent-5-decades-in-politics-despite-being-just-35-years-old/articleshow/82800266.cms
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,808
    Ruddy Ghouliani’s son doesn’t fall far from the nutty tree. I wonder if he can do the googily eyes too? Off to a great start. Were any of them spent in Ukraine?

    https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/world/news/andrew-giuliani-says-he-has-spent-5-decades-in-politics-despite-being-just-35-years-old/articleshow/82800266.cms
    "I've been a politician from the womb, it's in my DNA". i thought repubs and trumpsters hated lifelong politicians now? drain the swamp and all that? now he's a born politician? which one is it?
    Darwinspeed, all. 

    Cheers,

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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,216
    Ruddy Ghouliani’s son doesn’t fall far from the nutty tree. I wonder if he can do the googily eyes too? Off to a great start. Were any of them spent in Ukraine?

    https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/world/news/andrew-giuliani-says-he-has-spent-5-decades-in-politics-despite-being-just-35-years-old/articleshow/82800266.cms
    "I've been a politician from the womb, it's in my DNA". i thought repubs and trumpsters hated lifelong politicians now? drain the swamp and all that? now he's a born politician? which one is it?
    Isn't he also the one who as a kid was being a goofball at Rudy's swearing in? They made a whole SNL skit about it with Chris Farley.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,412
    35 year old Rudy Jr -“I may look young” also *looks 60*
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,808
    DewieCox said:
    35 year old Rudy Jr -“I may look young” also *looks 60*
    no kidding. I'm overweight, bald, and 46. And I look younger than he does. 
    Darwinspeed, all. 

    Cheers,

    HFD




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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,580
    The epitome of leadership.


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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,822
    The epitome of leadership.



    Hey, we all have to check if we've forgotten our toupee at times. 
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    KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere. Posts: 4,772
    Good one. :lol:
    Falling down,...not staying down
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,689
     
    House narrowly approves $1.9B to fortify Capitol after riot
    By LISA MASCARO and MARY CLARE JALONICK
    2 hours ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The House on Thursday narrowly approved $1.9 billion to fortify the Capitol after the Jan. 6 insurrection, as Democrats pushed past Republican opposition to try to harden the complex with retractable fencing and a quick-response force following the most violent domestic attack on Congress in history.

    The bill's 213-212 passage came a day after the House approved the formation of an independent commission to investigate the deadly mob siege by President Donald Trump’s supporters, who battled police to storm the building in a failed attempt to overturn Democrat Joe Biden’s election.

    The two measures now face an uncertain outcome in the evenly divided Senate as most Republicans have objected to both. Tensions are running high at the Capitol, with Democrats growing exasperated with Republicans who refuse to acknowledge the severity of the insurrection because of what appears to be their devotion to Trump — and fears of crossing him.

    “We have a major political party in the country that’s ignoring it — we’re trying to solve a problem, they clearly don’t want to sit down and talk about it,” said Rep. Tim Ryan, D-Ohio, chairman of an appropriations subcommittee handling legislative branch security.

    At the same time, the idea of bolstered security at the Capitol saddened many lawmakers who said they see no other choice because of the ongoing threats on Congress. Several leading liberal Democrats opposed the security money over concerns about policing, as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other Democratic leaders worked the floor during votes to ensure passage.

    Together, the package of bills stemming from the domestic assault by Trump supporters on the Capitol reminded some lawmakers of the changes that emerged from the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Then, a landmark commission investigated the attack's root causes and authorities hardened the security apparatus across the federal government.

    Thursday's vote capped two days of emotionally wrenching debate as the political divide, particularly in the House, has widened in the months since the January assault.

    House Appropriations Committee Chairwoman Rosa DeLauro recalled her own experience being trapped in the House gallery that day as the attackers tried to break in, calling her husband to tell him she was OK after Capitol Police told her to duck on the floor.

    “This bill is not about politics, it’s not about settling scores,” DeLauro said. “It’s about ensuring that every person who comes into the Capitol is safe and is protected.”

    Republicans argued that the spending bill is too expensive and no fencing is needed. Many of them said lawmakers should be spending money on border security, not Capitol security.

    Rep. Lance Gooden, R-Texas, contended that Democrats would rather spend money on a wall "around this building in D.C.” than they would on finishing a border wall advocated by Trump.

    Already, National Guard troops have been protecting the building for months and public access is severely limited. Though razor-wire-topped fencing that stood as a stark reminder of the siege has been removed, an extended perimeter fence remains in place, cutting off access to the lush grounds popular with the public.

    The Democrats who opposed the security legislation were some of the most liberal in the House. Some have expressed the view that police treat people of color unfairly. Democratic Reps. Cori Bush of Missouri, Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts and Ilhan Omar of Minnesota voted against it.

    Omar said she had “not been convinced of the importance of the money.”

    Democratic Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Jamaal Bowman of New York and Rashida Tlaib of Michigan voted “present,” effectively saving the measure from going down to defeat.

    The chairwoman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, Rep. Pramila Jayapal of Washington, said the lawmakers “wanted to make sure that there were accountability measures” on the security funds. She voted for the bill.

    Senate Democrats will not be able to pass either bill on their own in the evenly split 50-50 Senate and could have trouble persuading enough Republicans to vote with them after Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell announced he would oppose the inquiry. Ten GOP senators would need to join Democrats to meet the 60-vote threshold needed to advance legislation. Changes could be made to win over their support.

    Months in the making, the emergency spending package incorporates the recommendations from an outside panel of experts to beef up security after the mob attack.

    The bill includes money for new fencing — either retractable or “pop in,” according to Democrats — that would protect the grounds. The legislation bars money from being used for permanent above-ground fencing, reflecting the wishes of most members of Congress that the area should be open to the public.

    Other changes would fortify windows and doors, install new security vestibules and cameras, and protect members with increased security at home and in Washington, as threats against them have doubled in the last year. There is also money to protect federal judges who are prosecuting the rioters and have received threats, and to repay the Capitol Police and other federal agencies for their efforts on Jan. 6.

    Some lawmakers have objected to the proposal for the National Guard to maintain a “quick response force” nearby after it took hours for Guard troops to arrive Jan. 6 as attackers were brutally beating officers.

    Leading Republicans on the armed services committees in the House and Senate oppose relying on the troops for the work of protecting the Capitol.

    The National Guard Association of the United States said in a statement that the Guard should only be used for law enforcement as a “last resort.”

    Democrats said they, too, are uneasy with many of the military-like measures, but say they have little choice but to protect the building. The delays in sending the Guard to the Capitol have been blamed in part for the failure to contain the violence. Five people died, including a Trump supporter shot and killed by police as she tried to climb through a broken window to access the House chamber, and a police officer who fought off the mob and died later.

    “We’ve never had a quick response for us here — you know, we’ve never had an insurrection, either,” Ryan said. “So thinking has to evolve in order to try to solve some of these problems.”

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    Associated Press writer Lolita C. Baldor contributed to this report.


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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,283
    they still love Rudy? seriously?
    Yes the uneducated uninformed yes those goons really love the idiot! 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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    JeBurkhardtJeBurkhardt Posts: 4,488
    they still love Rudy? seriously?
    Yes the uneducated uninformed yes those goons really love the idiot! 
    How much of that do you think is related to his role in the aftermath of 9/11? Do you think there is still some carry over of that? On a Wiki page it said his approval rating went from 36% the year before to 79% following 9/11. 
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 38,975
    they still love Rudy? seriously?
    Yes the uneducated uninformed yes those goons really love the idiot! 
    How much of that do you think is related to his role in the aftermath of 9/11? Do you think there is still some carry over of that? On a Wiki page it said his approval rating went from 36% the year before to 79% following 9/11. 
    That and he did actually clean up the city.  
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,580
    We're against democracy, unless you're white
    We're against a woman's right to choose
    We're against common sense gun control legislation
    We're against women with same sex parents serving in the military
    We're against affordable healthcare
    We're against infrastructure improvements
    We're against immigration reform

    We're for insurrections
    We're for POC being denied constitutional rights during arrest, law & order
    We're for corporations being people too
    We're for child sex abuse and trafficking
    We're pro-life until you're born
    We're for repub ideals, except we're not sure what they are anymore

    Repubs 2022 and by 2024 will be against everything. Except for those things you're against.

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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,580
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,580
    Scott fucking Brown is running for office and he’s working the fuggettabout tour hard. Moved to NH too.
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,689

    Republican senator positions on Capitol riot commission:

    4Expressedopenness

    11

    Still

    considering

    25Oppose

    10

    Unknown

    Where
    Republican
    senators stand
    on voting
    for a Jan. 6
    commission

    On Wednesday, the House voted to approve legislation on establishing an independent commission to investigate the Capitol insurrection of Jan. 6. All Democratic representatives and 35 Republicans supported the bill.

    The bill now moves to the Senate and could be on the floor for a vote as early as next week, but it faces an uncertain fate as GOP opposition grows. Democrats need the support of 10 Republicans to reach a final vote and avoid a possible filibuster. Below is a list of Republican senators and their position on the commission.

    Voted to convict TrumpVoted to convict Trump on incitement of insurrection
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    Expressed openness 4

    Still considering 11

    Oppose 25

    Unknown 10

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    Expressed openness 4

    These senators support or expressed openness to support the bill.

    Bill Cassidy LAVoted to convict Trump

    Cassidy said on May 20 he is “inclined" to support the commission.

    Susan Collins MEVoted to convict Trump

    “I do think that a commission is a good idea,” Collins told reporters on May 19, saying she wants to see changes to the bill before voting for it.

    Mike Crapo ID

    Crapo said he'd be willing to consider the commission but considers the current plan too partisan and wants congressional leaders to negotiate, saying, “If the House Republican leadership and the House Democrat leadership can come together in a bipartisan way then I’d look very seriously at what they wanted to propose.”

    Mitt Romney UTVoted to convict Trump

    Romney has expressed support for the commission but said he wants to see changes to how staff are appointed.

    Still considering 11

    These senators are still considering whether they support the bill.

    Shelley Moore Capito WV

    According to NBC News, Capito said she is still considering the bill. Read more »

    John Cornyn TX
    Lindsey O. Graham SC

    “I can’t say I’m for it, I can’t say I’m against it until I talk to the people who are against it and see why they feel they need to be against it,” Graham told reporters. “Conceptually it makes sense to me.” Read more »

    Jerry Moran KS

    According to NBC News, Moran said he is still considering the bill. Read more »

    Lisa Murkowski AKVoted to convict Trump
    Rob Portman OH

    According to NBC News, Portman said he is still considering the bill. Read more »

    Ben Sasse NEVoted to convict Trump

    “How can we rebuild public trust? The ongoing criminal investigations and the bipartisan work in the Rules Committee and HSGAC are part of that work — maybe a commission is too, but I’m reserving judgment on that,” Sasse told reporters. Read more »

    John Thune SD

    Thune said he is still considering the bill

    Patrick J. Toomey PAVoted to convict Trump

    "I haven't decided,” Toomey told reporters. Read more »

    Tommy Tuberville AL
    Roger Wicker MS

    According to NBC News, Wicker said he is still considering the bill.

    Oppose 25

    These senators have said they oppose the bill.

    John Barrasso WY
    Roy Blunt MO
    John Boozman AR

    “There are multiple investigations already underway, within Congress and by law enforcement agencies, into the events of January 6th,” Boozman said in a statement, according to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. Read more »

    Mike Braun IN
    Richard Burr NCVoted to convict Trump
    Tom Cotton AR

    “This duplicative, partisan commission isn't designed to uncover new information, but rather to advance the Democrats' partisan goals,” Cotton said in a statement, according to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. Read more »

    Kevin Cramer ND

    “We have committees studying what happened, & there have been hundreds of federal investigations launched into the people responsible for the horrible events that day,” Cramer wrote on Twitter. Read more »

    Steve Daines MT
    Joni Ernst IA
    Charles E. Grassley IA

    Grassley said the current bill forming a commission probably can't get to 60 votes.

    Bill Hagerty TN

    “This is clearly just a partisan attempt to open up an area where they think it will be helpful to the Democrats in the next cycle of the elections,” Hagerty told WREG-TV. Read more »

    Josh Hawley MO
    John Hoeven ND
    Ron Johnson WI
    John Neely Kennedy LA
    James Lankford OK
    Cynthia Lummis WY
    Mitch McConnell KY
    Rand Paul KY
    Mike Rounds SD
    Marco Rubio FL

    Rubio announced in a tweet on Friday that he opposes the bill Read more »

    Rick Scott FL
    Richard C. Shelby AL
    Thom Tillis NC
    Todd C. Young IN

    Unknown 10

    These senators have not made any statements about the bill or made ambiguous ones.

    Marsha Blackburn TN
    Ted Cruz TX
    Deb Fischer NE
    Cindy Hyde-Smith MS
    James M. Inhofe OK
    Mike Lee UT
    Roger Marshall KS
    James E. Risch ID
    Tim Scott SC
    Dan Sullivan AK
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,689
    Scott fucking Brown is running for office and he’s working the fuggettabout tour hard. Moved to NH too.

    didnt he once already after Warren beat him in the general for her first cycle?
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 38,975
    If it is being investigated already why bother with another one?
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,689
    If it is being investigated already why bother with another one?
    ? the insurrection? are you kidding me? 9/11 was investigated by Congress, yet independent commission got it all.

    commission will lay it all out, comprehensively. the complicity, the myriad failures and how to address those, prevention for the future cuz it ain't over.

    and you oppose this why?

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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 38,975
    mickeyrat said:
    If it is being investigated already why bother with another one?
    ? the insurrection? are you kidding me? 9/11 was investigated by Congress, yet independent commission got it all.

    commission will lay it all out, comprehensively. the complicity, the myriad failures and how to address those, prevention for the future cuz it ain't over.

    and you oppose this why?

    If it is being investigated already, why waste the time and money on bringing a committee together unless the current investigating body does not have the resources or are incapable?

    If that were to happen then whomever is investigating now stops and hands over the information?  Are people being brought to trial by the committee, current investigating crew or both?

    These are the questions I would want answered before going forth with a new investigating team/committee.
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,216
    mickeyrat said:
    If it is being investigated already why bother with another one?
    ? the insurrection? are you kidding me? 9/11 was investigated by Congress, yet independent commission got it all.

    commission will lay it all out, comprehensively. the complicity, the myriad failures and how to address those, prevention for the future cuz it ain't over.

    and you oppose this why?

    If it is being investigated already, why waste the time and money on bringing a committee together unless the current investigating body does not have the resources or are incapable?

    If that were to happen then whomever is investigating now stops and hands over the information?  Are people being brought to trial by the committee, current investigating crew or both?

    These are the questions I would want answered before going forth with a new investigating team/committee.
    I don't mean to be an ass, but the differences between a bunch of different agencies/groups looking at different aspects of the incident is not even close to the same as an entire independent commission dedicated to the task. You know 9/11 had this same situation going on until they moved forward with the commission right? The only difference now is that the GOP has the most to lose from this because these were domestic terrorists who supported their presidential nominee and not a bunch of middle eastern terrorists that could drum up patriotism and the war machine. This is beyond fucked that people don't realize the reasons behind not wanting the commission are partisan bullshit. This whole response some are giving of wanting an investigation in to BLM in return is just racist pandering. If they really wanted to do that, they had the last several years to do so.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 38,975
    tbergs said:
    mickeyrat said:
    If it is being investigated already why bother with another one?
    ? the insurrection? are you kidding me? 9/11 was investigated by Congress, yet independent commission got it all.

    commission will lay it all out, comprehensively. the complicity, the myriad failures and how to address those, prevention for the future cuz it ain't over.

    and you oppose this why?

    If it is being investigated already, why waste the time and money on bringing a committee together unless the current investigating body does not have the resources or are incapable?

    If that were to happen then whomever is investigating now stops and hands over the information?  Are people being brought to trial by the committee, current investigating crew or both?

    These are the questions I would want answered before going forth with a new investigating team/committee.
    I don't mean to be an ass, but the differences between a bunch of different agencies/groups looking at different aspects of the incident is not even close to the same as an entire independent commission dedicated to the task. You know 9/11 had this same situation going on until they moved forward with the commission right? The only difference now is that the GOP has the most to lose from this because these were domestic terrorists who supported their presidential nominee and not a bunch of middle eastern terrorists that could drum up patriotism and the war machine. This is beyond fucked that people don't realize the reasons behind not wanting the commission are partisan bullshit. This whole response some are giving of wanting an investigation in to BLM in return is just racist pandering. If they really wanted to do that, they had the last several years to do so.
    You answered part of my questions then.  I would assume that current trials couldn't go on until the committee investigating is done or they would arrest people as they went on?

    I'm asking about possible screw ups and double jeopardy type situations too.  Obviously they know how to handle this better than I would.

    How much investigation is going on to see how deep some of the politicians might be in it from the local level that is handling it?

    Full of questions.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,627
    tbergs said:
    mickeyrat said:
    If it is being investigated already why bother with another one?
    ? the insurrection? are you kidding me? 9/11 was investigated by Congress, yet independent commission got it all.

    commission will lay it all out, comprehensively. the complicity, the myriad failures and how to address those, prevention for the future cuz it ain't over.

    and you oppose this why?

    If it is being investigated already, why waste the time and money on bringing a committee together unless the current investigating body does not have the resources or are incapable?

    If that were to happen then whomever is investigating now stops and hands over the information?  Are people being brought to trial by the committee, current investigating crew or both?

    These are the questions I would want answered before going forth with a new investigating team/committee.
    I don't mean to be an ass, but the differences between a bunch of different agencies/groups looking at different aspects of the incident is not even close to the same as an entire independent commission dedicated to the task. You know 9/11 had this same situation going on until they moved forward with the commission right? The only difference now is that the GOP has the most to lose from this because these were domestic terrorists who supported their presidential nominee and not a bunch of middle eastern terrorists that could drum up patriotism and the war machine. This is beyond fucked that people don't realize the reasons behind not wanting the commission are partisan bullshit. This whole response some are giving of wanting an investigation in to BLM in return is just racist pandering. If they really wanted to do that, they had the last several years to do so.
    You answered part of my questions then.  I would assume that current trials couldn't go on until the committee investigating is done or they would arrest people as they went on?

    I'm asking about possible screw ups and double jeopardy type situations too.  Obviously they know how to handle this better than I would.

    How much investigation is going on to see how deep some of the politicians might be in it from the local level that is handling it?

    Full of questions.
    I'm not sure who you are talking about when you say other are investigating it now.  Who do you mean specifically?
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