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cincybearcat

Cropduster-80 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

people are AGAINST education now? wtf?

The code words “liberal elitist” have morphed into a term for college educated people more generally.

since statistically your education level correlates to voting preferences, education has become an enemy to some.  I can only guess that some are so opposed to their kids becoming liberal the only option they see is to talk them out of college in the first place. 

Insecure people using others achievements as a rally cry to bring them back down to their level.

Used to just be the Book Smart vs Street Smart discussion.  

Cropduster-80

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

people are AGAINST education now? wtf?

Well I do think it would be helpful if we could all be open and honest about some things.  This all stems from people thinking their kids are going to be made into some kinda far leaning liberal through controlled information and pushing by teachers.

The reality is... and I know this is a shocker... their are teachers/prof that push their agendas on kids.  There will be other kids and groups doing that as well.  I do think profs can get out of line, but in reality all of this is good as it challenges current assumptions and likely does result in some changes of opinion/beliefs.  I think the fact the the left often tries to dismiss this idea of profs pushing their beliefs is disingenuous.  If you don't think it's happening, you just aren't paying attention.  And then the right chooses to demonize instead of believe it's ok to be exposed to a diversity of thought.

Another example - I thought De Santis was being a complete ass and florida really dumb about banning math textbooks....then I saw some of the charts and questions in it. While not terrible, they were certainly placed there to try and develop or shift bias.  It isn't really that hard to see.  So as usual, the truth is somewhere in the middle on a lot of things but we'd rather demonize everything.  Some people fully deserve being demonized...but it's not as many as we all seem to think. 

Since STEM is usually the same types of skills, devaluing science in particular has produced a generation (already) of people weak in science, technology, and math fields.

evolution, climate sciences, bio technology  etc.  once you start picking and choosing what science you think is fake or wrong it undermines everything as you are devaluing the entire premise of which science is founded.  Science funding from the government is way way down too, so the government isn’t investing either and when they do there are strict constraints on what these scientists can even research 

To say professors are pushing a liberal agenda to me is a stretch.  Pushing an education agenda maybe or an academic freedom agenda sure.  I mean seriously a college professor discussing climate change will absolutely be accused of pushing an agenda, they are and it’s not a political one. It’s a science agenda 

HughFreakingDillon

it's funny to me that people see education as an indoctrination into a certain political ideology.....the same people that go to church and/or wear MAGA gear. oh, the irony. 

Gern Blansten

They are so confident too. Two doors down from us lives a complete tRumpster moron. He is 40 years old and weighs about 400 lbs. As far as I know he has never had a job other than plowing snow and mowing some yards on his own a few years back. This fucking asshole doesn't even mow his own yard or clear his own driveway of snow for his mom who is about 70.

He knows we vote democrat because my wife made the mistake of adding him as an FB "friend". 

Now every time he sees us out he makes stupid comments like "how do you like gas prices?"

I do this fucking asshole's tax return...the most money he has made was $18K in 2021 which was all unemployment benefits. Yet he will be the first one complaining about people sucking off the system.

Cropduster-80

HughFreakingDillon said:

it's funny to me that people see education as an indoctrination into a certain political ideology.....the same people that go to church and/or wear MAGA gear. oh, the irony. 

That’s why I’m anti religion.  These damn religious elitists 😂

HughFreakingDillon

Gern Blansten said:

They are so confident too. Two doors down from us lives a complete tRumpster moron. He is 40 years old and weighs about 400 lbs. As far as I know he has never had a job other than plowing snow and mowing some yards on his own a few years back. This fucking asshole doesn't even mow his own yard or clear his own driveway of snow for his mom who is about 70.

He knows we vote democrat because my wife made the mistake of adding him as an FB "friend". 

Now every time he sees us out he makes stupid comments like "how do you like gas prices?"

I do this fucking asshole's tax return...the most money he has made was $18K in 2021 which was all unemployment benefits. Yet he will be the first one complaining about people sucking off the system.

mrussel1

Gern Blansten said:

They are so confident too. Two doors down from us lives a complete tRumpster moron. He is 40 years old and weighs about 400 lbs. As far as I know he has never had a job other than plowing snow and mowing some yards on his own a few years back. This fucking asshole doesn't even mow his own yard or clear his own driveway of snow for his mom who is about 70.

He knows we vote democrat because my wife made the mistake of adding him as an FB "friend". 

Now every time he sees us out he makes stupid comments like "how do you like gas prices?"

I do this fucking asshole's tax return...the most money he has made was $18K in 2021 which was all unemployment benefits. Yet he will be the first one complaining about people sucking off the system.

I think the only appropriate answer to him on FB is "Well since I make more than 18k a year on the gov't, the gas prices don't bother me all that much.".  

Cropduster-80

Gern Blansten said:

Now every time he sees us out he makes stupid comments like "how do you like gas prices?"

You could try to explain how low interest rates lead to growth. Unrestrained growth is bad and causes inflation. The economy doesn’t change overnight, it takes months or years for some of this stuff to show up 

Remind him how trump spent months bullying the fed to cut/keep interest rates at basically zero so he could benefit from that growth, no matter the consequences. He even threatened to fire Powell (which he doesn’t really even have the power to do).

let me know how it goes 

it was going to be a problem even without all the other stuff happening in the world. The best thing that could have happened to trump happened, he lost. He left office before the wheels fell off so he can escape blame yet again 

OnWis97

HughFreakingDillon said:

it's funny to me that people see education as an indoctrination into a certain political ideology.....the same people that go to church and/or wear MAGA gear. oh, the irony. 

It's another projection..."brainwashed." I know this can be a sensitive topic but I can't think of anything as brainwashing as religion. Except maybe alt-right media.

The education thing is interesting. I was a political science major and I don't remember anyone really pushing anything on me. But 1) as a liberal, I was already there any maybe coming from my echo chambers, I didn't notice (I'm being 89% sarcastic) and 2) I probably don't even grasp the conservative threshold for "indoctrination." I took a class called "comparative politics" and we studied like four different areas. And we learned about the installation of Pinochet in Chile and the US's role and preference for him over socialism. It was useful, and I suppose it may have been included there because some tenure-protected marxist professor wanted to take the United States down a peg. But as far as I know everything I learned actually happened and it's one of the specific parts of those political science classes I recall. #indoctrinated.

The other thing about education is that there's some blowback from decades of high schools and pop culture telling kids that college was the ideal. And I think there was (still is?) and unspoken but obvious shaming of trade schools, the military and, especially, just getting a job. So every time I see social media posts about valuing trade schools (a good message in itself) the majority of responses are pouncing on leaning a useful skill instead of spending four years getting drunk and getting a degree in 17th Century Albanian Literature. I think some of it is a bit of fighting back on the old "college or you're a loser" narrative, but really, is it OK for people to just do whatever's right for them. I don't think it's usually even poltical (though there is the occasional "liberal indoctrination" angle, to be sure). But many people really believe we should all either be going to trade schools or if we want to be going to college we must spend two years at community college to save money (and everything else is wrong). It's all crap and maybe it used to just be college kids looking down at everyone but we're now all looking down at each other. 

I'll be honest, I feel into that trap, as well, coming from a family of liberal arts bachelors degrees. I'm fortunate that this was the actual right path for me.  Some people learned the hard way (i.e., two years of tuition before dropping out). And you know something, socially, I'd have been hit hard staying home and doing two years of CC. Four years at a big University was absolutely the right thing for me. So sometimes the high-and-mighty return-of-shaming pisses me off. What I'd really like to see is 1) high schools, parents, etc. letting kids know all their options and 2) all of us just letting each other do what's best for us. It might be CC...the military...expensive Ivy League school...whatever.

I will also go to my grave believing that there is value to a well-rounded liberal arts* education along with the "college experience" (which can be had with little/no drinking). But I also understand that that's not best for everyone and the rising cost drives a need to be a bit more utilitarian with these plans.

I think college / high-profile college is still valued in an unfortunate way, as evidenced by the scandal where 50 people (including a couple of celebrities) bribed their kids into high-profile schools. If you're super rich, why isn't it OK for your kid to go to Fresno State or the University of Iowa? Does it have to be Northwestern, USC or Ivy? I think that's an indication that the elitism thing is not totally without merit. And what if a CEO's kid wants to become a plumber? Is that wrong? I think most of us kinda think it is, but why?


*Liberal arts is an unfortunate name that I supect gives a little extra push to the anti-education crowd.

The Juggler

Republicans in PA are still counting votes for the senate primary. Counting votes AFTER election day!!!!!


STOP
THE
COUNT!!!!!

mrussel1

Cropduster-80 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Now every time he sees us out he makes stupid comments like "how do you like gas prices?"

You could try to explain how low interest rates lead to growth. Unrestrained growth is bad and causes inflation. The economy doesn’t change overnight, it takes months or years for some of this stuff to show up 

Remind him how trump spent months bullying the fed to cut/keep interest rates at basically zero so he could benefit from that growth, no matter the consequences. He even threatened to fire Powell (which he doesn’t really even have the power to do).

let me know how it goes 

it was going to be a problem even without all the other stuff happening in the world. The best thing that could have happened to trump happened, he lost. He left office before the wheels fell off so he can escape blame yet again 

They are really uninformed because they only get their news from favorable sources.  The other day I played golf with a guy who started complaining about "woke" corporations and their donations and blah blah.  I said, well you only have the right wing to blame for that since Citizen's United was a David Bossie SCOTUS case and it gutted McCain-Feingold.  He had zero clue what I was talking about (and he's in his 60s, not some spring chicken).  He then asked where I got my news from, implying that CU wasn't a right wing group or that Republicans were against corp money. I told him I don't get my fucking news by slouching in front of Fox Prime Time every night and claiming I'm informed.  He said "well I'll have to look that one up".  Sure buddy.  

Cropduster-80

Good points.  I’m not against trade schools at all. If my kid chooses one so be it. 

I also don’t think college is necessarily a “trade school” of sorts either. Education for the sake of education is what I value.

if my kid wants to be a plumber or a welder  fine, I’ll support it.  He’s going to be a plumber or a welder with a 4 year college degree though.  It’s in the will. No degree, no inheritance 

OnWis97

Cropduster-80 said:

Good points.  I’m not against trade schools at all. If my kid chooses one so be it. 

I also don’t think college is necessarily a “trade school” or sorts either. Education for the sake of education is what I value.

if my kid wants to be a plumber or a welder  fine, I’ll support it.  He’s going to be a plumber or a welder with a 4 year college degree though.  It’s in the will. No degree, no inheritance 

I am with you on this. But I do understand with the cost of education why this is a dwindling philosophy.

HughFreakingDillon

OnWis97 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

it's funny to me that people see education as an indoctrination into a certain political ideology.....the same people that go to church and/or wear MAGA gear. oh, the irony. 

It's another projection..."brainwashed." I know this can be a sensitive topic but I can't think of anything as brainwashing as religion. Except maybe alt-right media.

The education thing is interesting. I was a political science major and I don't remember anyone really pushing anything on me. But 1) as a liberal, I was already there any maybe coming from my echo chambers, I didn't notice (I'm being 89% sarcastic) and 2) I probably don't even grasp the conservative threshold for "indoctrination." I took a class called "comparative politics" and we studied like four different areas. And we learned about the installation of Pinochet in Chile and the US's role and preference for him over socialism. It was useful, and I suppose it may have been included there because some tenure-protected marxist professor wanted to take the United States down a peg. But as far as I know everything I learned actually happened and it's one of the specific parts of those political science classes I recall. #indoctrinated.

The other thing about education is that there's some blowback from decades of high schools and pop culture telling kids that college was the ideal. And I think there was (still is?) and unspoken but obvious shaming of trade schools, the military and, especially, just getting a job. So every time I see social media posts about valuing trade schools (a good message in itself) the majority of responses are pouncing on leaning a useful skill instead of spending four years getting drunk and getting a degree in 17th Century Albanian Literature. I think some of it is a bit of fighting back on the old "college or you're a loser" narrative, but really, is it OK for people to just do whatever's right for them. I don't think it's usually even poltical (though there is the occasional "liberal indoctrination" angle, to be sure). But many people really believe we should all either be going to trade schools or if we want to be going to college we must spend two years at community college to save money (and everything else is wrong). It's all crap and maybe it used to just be college kids looking down at everyone but we're now all looking down at each other. 

I'll be honest, I feel into that trap, as well, coming from a family of liberal arts bachelors degrees. I'm fortunate that this was the actual right path for me.  Some people learned the hard way (i.e., two years of tuition before dropping out). And you know something, socially, I'd have been hit hard staying home and doing two years of CC. Four years at a big University was absolutely the right thing for me. So sometimes the high-and-mighty return-of-shaming pisses me off. What I'd really like to see is 1) high schools, parents, etc. letting kids know all their options and 2) all of us just letting each other do what's best for us. It might be CC...the military...expensive Ivy League school...whatever.

I will also go to my grave believing that there is value to a well-rounded liberal arts* education along with the "college experience" (which can be had with little/no drinking). But I also understand that that's not best for everyone and the rising cost drives a need to be a bit more utilitarian with these plans.

I think college / high-profile college is still valued in an unfortunate way, as evidenced by the scandal where 50 people (including a couple of celebrities) bribed their kids into high-profile schools. If you're super rich, why isn't it OK for your kid to go to Fresno State or the University of Iowa? Does it have to be Northwestern, USC or Ivy? I think that's an indication that the elitism thing is not totally without merit. And what if a CEO's kid wants to become a plumber? Is that wrong? I think most of us kinda think it is, but why?


*Liberal arts is an unfortunate name that I supect gives a little extra push to the anti-education crowd.

tell me about it. (I know this wasn't the meat of your post, but it struck me because....) last night was my youngest's confirmation mass. when my wife and I got married, and didn't have kids yet, we agreed to raise them catholic (well, not me, her for that portion). Fuck, I just found myself getting angrier and angrier as I sat there during mass, listening to the arch bishop blather on and on about peace and love and husbands and wives and all the bullshit "feel good" shit that comprises about 5% of organized religion (historically speaking). luckily both my kids are already wise to it. they did it for their mom. but this is likely where it stops (and my wife is fine with that-more of a "let's keep the door open for them should they so choose that path). I like to think it has to do with us having a balance in their parenting. But I was also around their age when my lightbulb went on as well. so who knows. 

Cropduster-80

HughFreakingDillon said:

OnWis97 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

it's funny to me that people see education as an indoctrination into a certain political ideology.....the same people that go to church and/or wear MAGA gear. oh, the irony. 

It's another projection..."brainwashed." I know this can be a sensitive topic but I can't think of anything as brainwashing as religion. Except maybe alt-right media.

The education thing is interesting. I was a political science major and I don't remember anyone really pushing anything on me. But 1) as a liberal, I was already there any maybe coming from my echo chambers, I didn't notice (I'm being 89% sarcastic) and 2) I probably don't even grasp the conservative threshold for "indoctrination." I took a class called "comparative politics" and we studied like four different areas. And we learned about the installation of Pinochet in Chile and the US's role and preference for him over socialism. It was useful, and I suppose it may have been included there because some tenure-protected marxist professor wanted to take the United States down a peg. But as far as I know everything I learned actually happened and it's one of the specific parts of those political science classes I recall. #indoctrinated.

The other thing about education is that there's some blowback from decades of high schools and pop culture telling kids that college was the ideal. And I think there was (still is?) and unspoken but obvious shaming of trade schools, the military and, especially, just getting a job. So every time I see social media posts about valuing trade schools (a good message in itself) the majority of responses are pouncing on leaning a useful skill instead of spending four years getting drunk and getting a degree in 17th Century Albanian Literature. I think some of it is a bit of fighting back on the old "college or you're a loser" narrative, but really, is it OK for people to just do whatever's right for them. I don't think it's usually even poltical (though there is the occasional "liberal indoctrination" angle, to be sure). But many people really believe we should all either be going to trade schools or if we want to be going to college we must spend two years at community college to save money (and everything else is wrong). It's all crap and maybe it used to just be college kids looking down at everyone but we're now all looking down at each other. 

I'll be honest, I feel into that trap, as well, coming from a family of liberal arts bachelors degrees. I'm fortunate that this was the actual right path for me.  Some people learned the hard way (i.e., two years of tuition before dropping out). And you know something, socially, I'd have been hit hard staying home and doing two years of CC. Four years at a big University was absolutely the right thing for me. So sometimes the high-and-mighty return-of-shaming pisses me off. What I'd really like to see is 1) high schools, parents, etc. letting kids know all their options and 2) all of us just letting each other do what's best for us. It might be CC...the military...expensive Ivy League school...whatever.

I will also go to my grave believing that there is value to a well-rounded liberal arts* education along with the "college experience" (which can be had with little/no drinking). But I also understand that that's not best for everyone and the rising cost drives a need to be a bit more utilitarian with these plans.

I think college / high-profile college is still valued in an unfortunate way, as evidenced by the scandal where 50 people (including a couple of celebrities) bribed their kids into high-profile schools. If you're super rich, why isn't it OK for your kid to go to Fresno State or the University of Iowa? Does it have to be Northwestern, USC or Ivy? I think that's an indication that the elitism thing is not totally without merit. And what if a CEO's kid wants to become a plumber? Is that wrong? I think most of us kinda think it is, but why?


*Liberal arts is an unfortunate name that I supect gives a little extra push to the anti-education crowd.

tell me about it. (I know this wasn't the meat of your post, but it struck me because....) last night was my youngest's confirmation mass. when my wife and I got married, and didn't have kids yet, we agreed to raise them catholic (well, not me, her for that portion). Fuck, I just found myself getting angrier and angrier as I sat there during mass, listening to the arch bishop blather on and on about peace and love and husbands and wives and all the bullshit "feel good" shit that comprises about 5% of organized religion (historically speaking). luckily both my kids are already wise to it. they did it for their mom. but this is likely where it stops (and my wife is fine with that-more of a "let's keep the door open for them should they so choose that path). I like to think it has to do with us having a balance in their parenting. But I was also around their age when my lightbulb went on as well. so who knows. 

You just described my life right down to the confirmation mass. My oldest has his is this weekend 

Bentleyspop

What is funny but not surprising is all the republican politicians  that yell and scream about the "educated  elite" and many of them attended "elite" prep and Ivy League schools.

Cropduster-80

Bentleyspop said:

What is funny but not surprising is all the republican politicians  that yell and scream about the "educated  elite" and many of them "elite" prep and Ivy League schools.

Trump is the most obvious example.  He brags about his education constantly and gets away with it.  I can’t think of a single GOP figure minus him that brags about his college education. They almost all went to those schools though

HughFreakingDillon

Cropduster-80 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

OnWis97 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

it's funny to me that people see education as an indoctrination into a certain political ideology.....the same people that go to church and/or wear MAGA gear. oh, the irony. 

It's another projection..."brainwashed." I know this can be a sensitive topic but I can't think of anything as brainwashing as religion. Except maybe alt-right media.

The education thing is interesting. I was a political science major and I don't remember anyone really pushing anything on me. But 1) as a liberal, I was already there any maybe coming from my echo chambers, I didn't notice (I'm being 89% sarcastic) and 2) I probably don't even grasp the conservative threshold for "indoctrination." I took a class called "comparative politics" and we studied like four different areas. And we learned about the installation of Pinochet in Chile and the US's role and preference for him over socialism. It was useful, and I suppose it may have been included there because some tenure-protected marxist professor wanted to take the United States down a peg. But as far as I know everything I learned actually happened and it's one of the specific parts of those political science classes I recall. #indoctrinated.

The other thing about education is that there's some blowback from decades of high schools and pop culture telling kids that college was the ideal. And I think there was (still is?) and unspoken but obvious shaming of trade schools, the military and, especially, just getting a job. So every time I see social media posts about valuing trade schools (a good message in itself) the majority of responses are pouncing on leaning a useful skill instead of spending four years getting drunk and getting a degree in 17th Century Albanian Literature. I think some of it is a bit of fighting back on the old "college or you're a loser" narrative, but really, is it OK for people to just do whatever's right for them. I don't think it's usually even poltical (though there is the occasional "liberal indoctrination" angle, to be sure). But many people really believe we should all either be going to trade schools or if we want to be going to college we must spend two years at community college to save money (and everything else is wrong). It's all crap and maybe it used to just be college kids looking down at everyone but we're now all looking down at each other. 

I'll be honest, I feel into that trap, as well, coming from a family of liberal arts bachelors degrees. I'm fortunate that this was the actual right path for me.  Some people learned the hard way (i.e., two years of tuition before dropping out). And you know something, socially, I'd have been hit hard staying home and doing two years of CC. Four years at a big University was absolutely the right thing for me. So sometimes the high-and-mighty return-of-shaming pisses me off. What I'd really like to see is 1) high schools, parents, etc. letting kids know all their options and 2) all of us just letting each other do what's best for us. It might be CC...the military...expensive Ivy League school...whatever.

I will also go to my grave believing that there is value to a well-rounded liberal arts* education along with the "college experience" (which can be had with little/no drinking). But I also understand that that's not best for everyone and the rising cost drives a need to be a bit more utilitarian with these plans.

I think college / high-profile college is still valued in an unfortunate way, as evidenced by the scandal where 50 people (including a couple of celebrities) bribed their kids into high-profile schools. If you're super rich, why isn't it OK for your kid to go to Fresno State or the University of Iowa? Does it have to be Northwestern, USC or Ivy? I think that's an indication that the elitism thing is not totally without merit. And what if a CEO's kid wants to become a plumber? Is that wrong? I think most of us kinda think it is, but why?


*Liberal arts is an unfortunate name that I supect gives a little extra push to the anti-education crowd.

tell me about it. (I know this wasn't the meat of your post, but it struck me because....) last night was my youngest's confirmation mass. when my wife and I got married, and didn't have kids yet, we agreed to raise them catholic (well, not me, her for that portion). Fuck, I just found myself getting angrier and angrier as I sat there during mass, listening to the arch bishop blather on and on about peace and love and husbands and wives and all the bullshit "feel good" shit that comprises about 5% of organized religion (historically speaking). luckily both my kids are already wise to it. they did it for their mom. but this is likely where it stops (and my wife is fine with that-more of a "let's keep the door open for them should they so choose that path). I like to think it has to do with us having a balance in their parenting. But I was also around their age when my lightbulb went on as well. so who knows. 

You just described my life right down to the confirmation mass. My oldest has his is this weekend 

my wife turned to me during the reception and said "you just can't keep your disdain hidden, can you?". WTF. I'm participating in this sham, aren't I? I could easily have stood up and shouted "fuck you colonial murderers" at the arch bishop and the priest and walked out. Obviously I wouldn't do that to my family, but shit...I was looking around the room thinking "how can you people believe in this shit?". 

What I find interesting is that the demographic of (at least in our city) parishioners has changed dramatically since I was a kid. It's fewer and fewer white people and more and more immigrants (just an observation). Hell, the last two priests at this parish have been guys from africa no one can understand because of their thick accents. Super nice and jovial guys though. 

cincybearcat

Cropduster-80 said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

people are AGAINST education now? wtf?

Well I do think it would be helpful if we could all be open and honest about some things.  This all stems from people thinking their kids are going to be made into some kinda far leaning liberal through controlled information and pushing by teachers.

The reality is... and I know this is a shocker... their are teachers/prof that push their agendas on kids.  There will be other kids and groups doing that as well.  I do think profs can get out of line, but in reality all of this is good as it challenges current assumptions and likely does result in some changes of opinion/beliefs.  I think the fact the the left often tries to dismiss this idea of profs pushing their beliefs is disingenuous.  If you don't think it's happening, you just aren't paying attention.  And then the right chooses to demonize instead of believe it's ok to be exposed to a diversity of thought.

Another example - I thought De Santis was being a complete ass and florida really dumb about banning math textbooks....then I saw some of the charts and questions in it. While not terrible, they were certainly placed there to try and develop or shift bias.  It isn't really that hard to see.  So as usual, the truth is somewhere in the middle on a lot of things but we'd rather demonize everything.  Some people fully deserve being demonized...but it's not as many as we all seem to think. 

Since STEM is usually the same types of skills, devaluing science in particular has produced a generation (already) of people weak in science, technology, and math fields.

evolution, climate sciences, bio technology  etc.  once you start picking and choosing what science you think is fake or wrong it undermines everything as you are devaluing the entire premise of which science is founded.  Science funding from the government is way way down too, so the government isn’t investing either and when they do there are strict constraints on what these scientists can even research 

To say professors are pushing a liberal agenda to me is a stretch.  Pushing an education agenda maybe or an academic freedom agenda sure.  I mean seriously a college professor discussing climate change will absolutely be accused of pushing an agenda, they are and it’s not a political one. It’s a science agenda 

I wonder, what is the political leaning of the majority of college professors? And then, are college professors more or less active politically? 

It’s just natural that it’s going to weave it’s way into the classroom. Denying it is a problem. And I’m not talking about science. 

cincybearcat

Cropduster-80 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

it's funny to me that people see education as an indoctrination into a certain political ideology.....the same people that go to church and/or wear MAGA gear. oh, the irony. 

That’s why I’m anti religion.  These damn religious elitists 😂

I 100% agree that organized religion is doing this same thing in a far more direct way.