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CONSERVATIVE PEARL JAM FANS

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  • darwinstheorydarwinstheory LaPorte, INPosts: 4,438
    ^^^nice post - I can relate entirely, with exception to the 1st hand employment experience at one of his companies...thank goodness. 
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 4,046
    brianlux said:
    Op you like and respect Trump?

    As a person?

    I'm a lifelong conservative pre-2016 and I've always known Pearl Jam doesn't give two shits about my opinions.  They would be just as happy if I didn't buy their stuff or go to their shows.
    They walk the walk and that includes, I'm sure, being a-ok with losing some fans of their music so that they can fully represent what they believe in.

    Until this clown was voted in I never felt like our country was doomed.  I do now.  The idea that more people don't hate the idea of such a person holding the office of president really makes me think we are screwed.  I was super anti clinton as a philanderer - and Trump has his old buddy Slick Willie beaten by a hundred miles.

    Good for PJ.  Stick to what they believe in.  
    It doesn't matter than Biden is a joke.  I would vote for an an actual dead person before I would ever vote for Trump.  This isn't about how much more I can make under Trump.  This is about being able to be proud to be an American.  I'm ashamed that we gave the world this fool as our leader.


    I will never align myself as a conservative again.  Need to find a new label, if one has to apply.
    People who supported Trump will never be looked at the same again, by me.  This includes some people I have been friends with for 20+ years.  I just cannot respect them as much as I did previously, even though I know many of them are good people and do good things in this world.
    You actually proved me original thesis for me, sadly. So you will throw away friendships of over 20+ year because someone had the audacity to vote differently than you? Maybe, since you know these people, you would take a closer look at them. If they are good people and they voted for someone you loathe, maybe there is something about Trump you are totally reading wrong. Or is it just "orange man bad, go away, do not want to hear it?"

    An open letter to all Trump supporters:



    You are not getting how bad trump is. How he lies constantly to benefit himself and create a false and lethally dangerous misunderstanding of this pandemic.

    TODAY over 40,000 new cases and about 1000 dead. We experienced deaths comparable to 9/11 SINCE WEDNESDAY

    Yall choose to think only of yourselves, so as a nation we are punished because we can't get the infection level down because wearing masks and standing 6 feet apart is too much to ask.

    I have close family on my wife's side. I will always think of them for the rest of my life as stupid idiots for the idiotic lies they parrot from trump. This is not political.  It is dangerous stupidity.

    If you put my daughters life at risk due to your selfishness,  you are dead to me.

    Certain sins are inexcusable.  If you support Trump,  you are likely too consumed thinking of yourself to understand.

    At this point, Lerxst199 I'm convinced Trump supporters have no interest in really looking at the man for who he is.  If they have, and they support the kind of person he is, they probably have some or several characteristics of his (I won't mention the obvious).

    They don't pay attention to the lies as long as what he says fits their agenda.

    Why they don't recognize his responsibility in the death of many thousands of people due to COVID is beyond me.  I can only guess it is some extreme form of denial.  One would have to assume they do not believe in science, so no argument will make any difference to them on that subject.

    Most of all, I really believe most Trump supporters actually believe they are on some kind of quest to "save America" and "make America stronger again".  And if those sound like empty slogans, that is exactly what they are.  Anyone with the ability to think critically knows that what Trump has done- and hopes to keep doing- is harmful to this country.  They cannot name one thing he has done to make America better in the long run.  I would challenge them to name one so-called accomplishment of his that does not include long-term negative consequences and effects (they will likely choose to ignore the italicized part of those phrases).


    Trump threatened to withhold aid to California last year for the wildfires. The fact that he did not follow thru is irrelevant. What he did do - used taxpayer dollars to threaten a state ravaged by fires - because “they are not my supporters.” 

    Perhaps not many trump supporters come by AMT on any given day, as my open letter to them above got ignored. But they need to understand this is not about politics. This is about wanting to live in a world where truth matters, because if trump wins because people erroneously believe covid is not a threat, or California is not a state worthy of help in a crisis, or Biden is a socialist or Biden is on drugs, all ...

    all of that is not political and all of that invalidates trump as an American leader. You can’t continually participate and support his lies and think you have any relevance to those of us who want to live in a freedom and science loving democracy.
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 23,960
    Everyone forgets how he fucked PR.  Bigly.
    Hurricane Maria.
    There is a list to be made of the wrongs this guy is responsible for.

    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 34,079
    brianlux said:
    Op you like and respect Trump?

    As a person?

    I'm a lifelong conservative pre-2016 and I've always known Pearl Jam doesn't give two shits about my opinions.  They would be just as happy if I didn't buy their stuff or go to their shows.
    They walk the walk and that includes, I'm sure, being a-ok with losing some fans of their music so that they can fully represent what they believe in.

    Until this clown was voted in I never felt like our country was doomed.  I do now.  The idea that more people don't hate the idea of such a person holding the office of president really makes me think we are screwed.  I was super anti clinton as a philanderer - and Trump has his old buddy Slick Willie beaten by a hundred miles.

    Good for PJ.  Stick to what they believe in.  
    It doesn't matter than Biden is a joke.  I would vote for an an actual dead person before I would ever vote for Trump.  This isn't about how much more I can make under Trump.  This is about being able to be proud to be an American.  I'm ashamed that we gave the world this fool as our leader.


    I will never align myself as a conservative again.  Need to find a new label, if one has to apply.
    People who supported Trump will never be looked at the same again, by me.  This includes some people I have been friends with for 20+ years.  I just cannot respect them as much as I did previously, even though I know many of them are good people and do good things in this world.
    You actually proved me original thesis for me, sadly. So you will throw away friendships of over 20+ year because someone had the audacity to vote differently than you? Maybe, since you know these people, you would take a closer look at them. If they are good people and they voted for someone you loathe, maybe there is something about Trump you are totally reading wrong. Or is it just "orange man bad, go away, do not want to hear it?"

    An open letter to all Trump supporters:



    You are not getting how bad trump is. How he lies constantly to benefit himself and create a false and lethally dangerous misunderstanding of this pandemic.

    TODAY over 40,000 new cases and about 1000 dead. We experienced deaths comparable to 9/11 SINCE WEDNESDAY

    Yall choose to think only of yourselves, so as a nation we are punished because we can't get the infection level down because wearing masks and standing 6 feet apart is too much to ask.

    I have close family on my wife's side. I will always think of them for the rest of my life as stupid idiots for the idiotic lies they parrot from trump. This is not political.  It is dangerous stupidity.

    If you put my daughters life at risk due to your selfishness,  you are dead to me.

    Certain sins are inexcusable.  If you support Trump,  you are likely too consumed thinking of yourself to understand.

    At this point, Lerxst199 I'm convinced Trump supporters have no interest in really looking at the man for who he is.  If they have, and they support the kind of person he is, they probably have some or several characteristics of his (I won't mention the obvious).

    They don't pay attention to the lies as long as what he says fits their agenda.

    Why they don't recognize his responsibility in the death of many thousands of people due to COVID is beyond me.  I can only guess it is some extreme form of denial.  One would have to assume they do not believe in science, so no argument will make any difference to them on that subject.

    Most of all, I really believe most Trump supporters actually believe they are on some kind of quest to "save America" and "make America stronger again".  And if those sound like empty slogans, that is exactly what they are.  Anyone with the ability to think critically knows that what Trump has done- and hopes to keep doing- is harmful to this country.  They cannot name one thing he has done to make America better in the long run.  I would challenge them to name one so-called accomplishment of his that does not include long-term negative consequences and effects (they will likely choose to ignore the italicized part of those phrases).


    Trump threatened to withhold aid to California last year for the wildfires. The fact that he did not follow thru is irrelevant. What he did do - used taxpayer dollars to threaten a state ravaged by fires - because “they are not my supporters.” 

    Perhaps not many trump supporters come by AMT on any given day, as my open letter to them above got ignored. But they need to understand this is not about politics. This is about wanting to live in a world where truth matters, because if trump wins because people erroneously believe covid is not a threat, or California is not a state worthy of help in a crisis, or Biden is a socialist or Biden is on drugs, all ...

    all of that is not political and all of that invalidates trump as an American leader. You can’t continually participate and support his lies and think you have any relevance to those of us who want to live in a freedom and science loving democracy.

    Well said, Lerxst.  So much rests on this next election.  So very much.
    “In all human affairs there are efforts, and there are results, and the strength of the effort is the measure of the result.”
    -James Allen










  • I live in the UK so my opinion on these matters is probably moot, but I would love to hear a rational reason why anyone would vote for Trump? Conservative or not.

    If it's a case of not wanting Biden to win, I understand that as he isn't a strong candidate, but if we are talking the lesser of two evils then how anyone can pick Trump over Biden blows my mind.

    I read a lot and know a lot about world affairs and I am always keen to learn from people who's ideas/politics differ from mine. Thats what makes the world an interesting place, right?

    So please, can someone explain why they would vote for Trump? I won't attack you or argue, I just want to understand.

    Anyone????
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 21,007
    edited September 2020
    Yea, Sleepy Woke Joe Basement Biden is really a racist. In fact, he's so racist he served the first Black man elected POTUS for 8 years. So easily duped. False equivalencies abound. Context can be everything. Actions > words. But you know, both sides are the same. Afraid of all "others." BOO!

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-biden-videos/fact-check-video-of-joe-biden-is-an-assortment-of-true-and-misleading-clips-idUSKBN2426JT

    sleepy woke basement joe biden works better
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  • darwinstheorydarwinstheory LaPorte, INPosts: 4,438
    Everyone forgets how he fucked PR.  Bigly.
    Hurricane Maria.
    There is a list to be made of the wrongs this guy is responsible for.

    A BIIIIIIG fucking list!
    "A smart monkey doesn't monkey around with another monkey's monkey" - Darwin's Theory
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