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    darwinstheorydarwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 5,962
    ^^^nice post - I can relate entirely, with exception to the 1st hand employment experience at one of his companies...thank goodness. 
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,299
    brianlux said:
    Op you like and respect Trump?

    As a person?

    I'm a lifelong conservative pre-2016 and I've always known Pearl Jam doesn't give two shits about my opinions.  They would be just as happy if I didn't buy their stuff or go to their shows.
    They walk the walk and that includes, I'm sure, being a-ok with losing some fans of their music so that they can fully represent what they believe in.

    Until this clown was voted in I never felt like our country was doomed.  I do now.  The idea that more people don't hate the idea of such a person holding the office of president really makes me think we are screwed.  I was super anti clinton as a philanderer - and Trump has his old buddy Slick Willie beaten by a hundred miles.

    Good for PJ.  Stick to what they believe in.  
    It doesn't matter than Biden is a joke.  I would vote for an an actual dead person before I would ever vote for Trump.  This isn't about how much more I can make under Trump.  This is about being able to be proud to be an American.  I'm ashamed that we gave the world this fool as our leader.


    I will never align myself as a conservative again.  Need to find a new label, if one has to apply.
    People who supported Trump will never be looked at the same again, by me.  This includes some people I have been friends with for 20+ years.  I just cannot respect them as much as I did previously, even though I know many of them are good people and do good things in this world.
    You actually proved me original thesis for me, sadly. So you will throw away friendships of over 20+ year because someone had the audacity to vote differently than you? Maybe, since you know these people, you would take a closer look at them. If they are good people and they voted for someone you loathe, maybe there is something about Trump you are totally reading wrong. Or is it just "orange man bad, go away, do not want to hear it?"

    An open letter to all Trump supporters:



    You are not getting how bad trump is. How he lies constantly to benefit himself and create a false and lethally dangerous misunderstanding of this pandemic.

    TODAY over 40,000 new cases and about 1000 dead. We experienced deaths comparable to 9/11 SINCE WEDNESDAY

    Yall choose to think only of yourselves, so as a nation we are punished because we can't get the infection level down because wearing masks and standing 6 feet apart is too much to ask.

    I have close family on my wife's side. I will always think of them for the rest of my life as stupid idiots for the idiotic lies they parrot from trump. This is not political.  It is dangerous stupidity.

    If you put my daughters life at risk due to your selfishness,  you are dead to me.

    Certain sins are inexcusable.  If you support Trump,  you are likely too consumed thinking of yourself to understand.

    At this point, Lerxst199 I'm convinced Trump supporters have no interest in really looking at the man for who he is.  If they have, and they support the kind of person he is, they probably have some or several characteristics of his (I won't mention the obvious).

    They don't pay attention to the lies as long as what he says fits their agenda.

    Why they don't recognize his responsibility in the death of many thousands of people due to COVID is beyond me.  I can only guess it is some extreme form of denial.  One would have to assume they do not believe in science, so no argument will make any difference to them on that subject.

    Most of all, I really believe most Trump supporters actually believe they are on some kind of quest to "save America" and "make America stronger again".  And if those sound like empty slogans, that is exactly what they are.  Anyone with the ability to think critically knows that what Trump has done- and hopes to keep doing- is harmful to this country.  They cannot name one thing he has done to make America better in the long run.  I would challenge them to name one so-called accomplishment of his that does not include long-term negative consequences and effects (they will likely choose to ignore the italicized part of those phrases).


    Trump threatened to withhold aid to California last year for the wildfires. The fact that he did not follow thru is irrelevant. What he did do - used taxpayer dollars to threaten a state ravaged by fires - because “they are not my supporters.” 

    Perhaps not many trump supporters come by AMT on any given day, as my open letter to them above got ignored. But they need to understand this is not about politics. This is about wanting to live in a world where truth matters, because if trump wins because people erroneously believe covid is not a threat, or California is not a state worthy of help in a crisis, or Biden is a socialist or Biden is on drugs, all ...

    all of that is not political and all of that invalidates trump as an American leader. You can’t continually participate and support his lies and think you have any relevance to those of us who want to live in a freedom and science loving democracy.
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    F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 30,844
    Everyone forgets how he fucked PR.  Bigly.
    Hurricane Maria.
    There is a list to be made of the wrongs this guy is responsible for.

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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 41,164
    brianlux said:
    Op you like and respect Trump?

    As a person?

    I'm a lifelong conservative pre-2016 and I've always known Pearl Jam doesn't give two shits about my opinions.  They would be just as happy if I didn't buy their stuff or go to their shows.
    They walk the walk and that includes, I'm sure, being a-ok with losing some fans of their music so that they can fully represent what they believe in.

    Until this clown was voted in I never felt like our country was doomed.  I do now.  The idea that more people don't hate the idea of such a person holding the office of president really makes me think we are screwed.  I was super anti clinton as a philanderer - and Trump has his old buddy Slick Willie beaten by a hundred miles.

    Good for PJ.  Stick to what they believe in.  
    It doesn't matter than Biden is a joke.  I would vote for an an actual dead person before I would ever vote for Trump.  This isn't about how much more I can make under Trump.  This is about being able to be proud to be an American.  I'm ashamed that we gave the world this fool as our leader.


    I will never align myself as a conservative again.  Need to find a new label, if one has to apply.
    People who supported Trump will never be looked at the same again, by me.  This includes some people I have been friends with for 20+ years.  I just cannot respect them as much as I did previously, even though I know many of them are good people and do good things in this world.
    You actually proved me original thesis for me, sadly. So you will throw away friendships of over 20+ year because someone had the audacity to vote differently than you? Maybe, since you know these people, you would take a closer look at them. If they are good people and they voted for someone you loathe, maybe there is something about Trump you are totally reading wrong. Or is it just "orange man bad, go away, do not want to hear it?"

    An open letter to all Trump supporters:



    You are not getting how bad trump is. How he lies constantly to benefit himself and create a false and lethally dangerous misunderstanding of this pandemic.

    TODAY over 40,000 new cases and about 1000 dead. We experienced deaths comparable to 9/11 SINCE WEDNESDAY

    Yall choose to think only of yourselves, so as a nation we are punished because we can't get the infection level down because wearing masks and standing 6 feet apart is too much to ask.

    I have close family on my wife's side. I will always think of them for the rest of my life as stupid idiots for the idiotic lies they parrot from trump. This is not political.  It is dangerous stupidity.

    If you put my daughters life at risk due to your selfishness,  you are dead to me.

    Certain sins are inexcusable.  If you support Trump,  you are likely too consumed thinking of yourself to understand.

    At this point, Lerxst199 I'm convinced Trump supporters have no interest in really looking at the man for who he is.  If they have, and they support the kind of person he is, they probably have some or several characteristics of his (I won't mention the obvious).

    They don't pay attention to the lies as long as what he says fits their agenda.

    Why they don't recognize his responsibility in the death of many thousands of people due to COVID is beyond me.  I can only guess it is some extreme form of denial.  One would have to assume they do not believe in science, so no argument will make any difference to them on that subject.

    Most of all, I really believe most Trump supporters actually believe they are on some kind of quest to "save America" and "make America stronger again".  And if those sound like empty slogans, that is exactly what they are.  Anyone with the ability to think critically knows that what Trump has done- and hopes to keep doing- is harmful to this country.  They cannot name one thing he has done to make America better in the long run.  I would challenge them to name one so-called accomplishment of his that does not include long-term negative consequences and effects (they will likely choose to ignore the italicized part of those phrases).


    Trump threatened to withhold aid to California last year for the wildfires. The fact that he did not follow thru is irrelevant. What he did do - used taxpayer dollars to threaten a state ravaged by fires - because “they are not my supporters.” 

    Perhaps not many trump supporters come by AMT on any given day, as my open letter to them above got ignored. But they need to understand this is not about politics. This is about wanting to live in a world where truth matters, because if trump wins because people erroneously believe covid is not a threat, or California is not a state worthy of help in a crisis, or Biden is a socialist or Biden is on drugs, all ...

    all of that is not political and all of that invalidates trump as an American leader. You can’t continually participate and support his lies and think you have any relevance to those of us who want to live in a freedom and science loving democracy.

    Well said, Lerxst.  So much rests on this next election.  So very much.
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    I live in the UK so my opinion on these matters is probably moot, but I would love to hear a rational reason why anyone would vote for Trump? Conservative or not.

    If it's a case of not wanting Biden to win, I understand that as he isn't a strong candidate, but if we are talking the lesser of two evils then how anyone can pick Trump over Biden blows my mind.

    I read a lot and know a lot about world affairs and I am always keen to learn from people who's ideas/politics differ from mine. Thats what makes the world an interesting place, right?

    So please, can someone explain why they would vote for Trump? I won't attack you or argue, I just want to understand.

    Anyone????
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 36,654
    edited September 2020
    Yea, Sleepy Woke Joe Basement Biden is really a racist. In fact, he's so racist he served the first Black man elected POTUS for 8 years. So easily duped. False equivalencies abound. Context can be everything. Actions > words. But you know, both sides are the same. Afraid of all "others." BOO!

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-biden-videos/fact-check-video-of-joe-biden-is-an-assortment-of-true-and-misleading-clips-idUSKBN2426JT

    sleepy woke basement joe biden works better
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    darwinstheorydarwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 5,962
    Everyone forgets how he fucked PR.  Bigly.
    Hurricane Maria.
    There is a list to be made of the wrongs this guy is responsible for.

    A BIIIIIIG fucking list!
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    wnh1977wnh1977 Iowa Posts: 597
    Who on Earth would ever wear this? Even if you love Biden. Or...even if you totally hate Trump. Can you look like a bigger dork wearing a "It's Time to Vote/Ridin' With Biden" shirt on? 




    I'm actually a lot like you politically. Conservative on some things, liberal on others. I'm not a member of either party because they're both a joke. Voted for Obama in 2008, and then Romney in 2012. Would've preferred to vote republican in 2016...if the nominee wasn't Trump. Like you, I do think the band is sincere with their unabashed liberalism. And regarding your question about a MAGA-hat wearer wearing one at a PJ show not to antagonize, but because they wear it every day. It would be perceived as being antagonistic. It just would. People feel antagonized simply by seeing it in the streets. Hell, I don't have any true hatred for Trump-fans, but even I look at them like "Dude, what are you doing?" when I see one in that hat (just as I would if I saw someone in this PJ/Biden shirt). So yeah, I think it would be viewed as antagonistic at a PJ show.

    But to be fair, this one is actually a pretty cool design:


    To date, "Ridin' with Biden" has to be one of the most embarrassing things Pearl Jam has ever done.  So cringe.  I understand not wanting Trump, but Joe Biden?  The DNC's hand-picked 80 year old in serious cognitive decline? 

    I was young and at the height of my Pearl Jam fandom when they supported Ralph Nader and were completely anti-George Bush... and I was all for them being outspoken and angry and wanting change.  Nowadays, I don't want to anger those who vote Republican by bashing Trump.  I feel the band used to try to speak up for the little guy (Ticketmaster, Nader, etc.)... now it feels like they're so wealthy and out of touch that they'll be satisfied to make a lame t-shirt for the lesser of two evils in this broken, corrupted process we have.

    I with there was a message of trying to bring people back together... I feel like RFK Jr. has said that multiple times, but the DNC is doing everything in their power to suppress him.  Have his naysayers actually listened to his long-form interviews?  So sharp, a real knowledge of history, a great record on environment... but yet many want to dismiss him as "anti-vaccine" and a "conspiracy theorist".  

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    Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,767
    edited September 2023
    wnh1977 said:
    Who on Earth would ever wear this? Even if you love Biden. Or...even if you totally hate Trump. Can you look like a bigger dork wearing a "It's Time to Vote/Ridin' With Biden" shirt on? 




    I'm actually a lot like you politically. Conservative on some things, liberal on others. I'm not a member of either party because they're both a joke. Voted for Obama in 2008, and then Romney in 2012. Would've preferred to vote republican in 2016...if the nominee wasn't Trump. Like you, I do think the band is sincere with their unabashed liberalism. And regarding your question about a MAGA-hat wearer wearing one at a PJ show not to antagonize, but because they wear it every day. It would be perceived as being antagonistic. It just would. People feel antagonized simply by seeing it in the streets. Hell, I don't have any true hatred for Trump-fans, but even I look at them like "Dude, what are you doing?" when I see one in that hat (just as I would if I saw someone in this PJ/Biden shirt). So yeah, I think it would be viewed as antagonistic at a PJ show.

    But to be fair, this one is actually a pretty cool design:


    To date, "Ridin' with Biden" has to be one of the most embarrassing things Pearl Jam has ever done.  So cringe.  I understand not wanting Trump, but Joe Biden?  The DNC's hand-picked 80 year old in serious cognitive decline? 

    I was young and at the height of my Pearl Jam fandom when they supported Ralph Nader and were completely anti-George Bush... and I was all for them being outspoken and angry and wanting change.  Nowadays, I don't want to anger those who vote Republican by bashing Trump.  I feel the band used to try to speak up for the little guy (Ticketmaster, Nader, etc.)... now it feels like they're so wealthy and out of touch that they'll be satisfied to make a lame t-shirt for the lesser of two evils in this broken, corrupted process we have.

    I with there was a message of trying to bring people back together... I feel like RFK Jr. has said that multiple times, but the DNC is doing everything in their power to suppress him.  Have his naysayers actually listened to his long-form interviews?  So sharp, a real knowledge of history, a great record on environment... but yet many want to dismiss him as "anti-vaccine" and a "conspiracy theorist".  

    RFK jr gets dismissed because while he may say some feel good things, he’s really out of touch and intentionally deceptive. He isn’t quote anti-vaccine, he actually is anti-vaccine. He does couch his language in plausible deniability as part of his manipulation, but when you pick up on this you can be on to his shit. 
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    wnh1977 said:
    Who on Earth would ever wear this? Even if you love Biden. Or...even if you totally hate Trump. Can you look like a bigger dork wearing a "It's Time to Vote/Ridin' With Biden" shirt on? 




    I'm actually a lot like you politically. Conservative on some things, liberal on others. I'm not a member of either party because they're both a joke. Voted for Obama in 2008, and then Romney in 2012. Would've preferred to vote republican in 2016...if the nominee wasn't Trump. Like you, I do think the band is sincere with their unabashed liberalism. And regarding your question about a MAGA-hat wearer wearing one at a PJ show not to antagonize, but because they wear it every day. It would be perceived as being antagonistic. It just would. People feel antagonized simply by seeing it in the streets. Hell, I don't have any true hatred for Trump-fans, but even I look at them like "Dude, what are you doing?" when I see one in that hat (just as I would if I saw someone in this PJ/Biden shirt). So yeah, I think it would be viewed as antagonistic at a PJ show.

    But to be fair, this one is actually a pretty cool design:


    To date, "Ridin' with Biden" has to be one of the most embarrassing things Pearl Jam has ever done.  So cringe.  I understand not wanting Trump, but Joe Biden?  The DNC's hand-picked 80 year old in serious cognitive decline? 

    I was young and at the height of my Pearl Jam fandom when they supported Ralph Nader and were completely anti-George Bush... and I was all for them being outspoken and angry and wanting change.  Nowadays, I don't want to anger those who vote Republican by bashing Trump.  I feel the band used to try to speak up for the little guy (Ticketmaster, Nader, etc.)... now it feels like they're so wealthy and out of touch that they'll be satisfied to make a lame t-shirt for the lesser of two evils in this broken, corrupted process we have.

    I with there was a message of trying to bring people back together... I feel like RFK Jr. has said that multiple times, but the DNC is doing everything in their power to suppress him.  Have his naysayers actually listened to his long-form interviews?  So sharp, a real knowledge of history, a great record on environment... but yet many want to dismiss him as "anti-vaccine" and a "conspiracy theorist".  

    RFK jr gets dismissed because while he may say some feel good things, he’s really out of touch and intentionally deceptive. He isn’t quote anti-vaccine, he actually is anti-vaccine. He does couch his language in plausible deniability as part of his manipulation, but when you pick up on this you can be into his shit. 
    He's also being funded by a GOP mega donor. 

    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/31/rfk-jr-super-pac-gop-donor-00109101

    He's just another con-man. 
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 36,234
    I've listened to RFK's long form interviews. he's a fucking quack. 
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    wnh1977 said:
    Who on Earth would ever wear this? Even if you love Biden. Or...even if you totally hate Trump. Can you look like a bigger dork wearing a "It's Time to Vote/Ridin' With Biden" shirt on? 




    I'm actually a lot like you politically. Conservative on some things, liberal on others. I'm not a member of either party because they're both a joke. Voted for Obama in 2008, and then Romney in 2012. Would've preferred to vote republican in 2016...if the nominee wasn't Trump. Like you, I do think the band is sincere with their unabashed liberalism. And regarding your question about a MAGA-hat wearer wearing one at a PJ show not to antagonize, but because they wear it every day. It would be perceived as being antagonistic. It just would. People feel antagonized simply by seeing it in the streets. Hell, I don't have any true hatred for Trump-fans, but even I look at them like "Dude, what are you doing?" when I see one in that hat (just as I would if I saw someone in this PJ/Biden shirt). So yeah, I think it would be viewed as antagonistic at a PJ show.

    But to be fair, this one is actually a pretty cool design:


    To date, "Ridin' with Biden" has to be one of the most embarrassing things Pearl Jam has ever done.  So cringe.  I understand not wanting Trump, but Joe Biden?  The DNC's hand-picked 80 year old in serious cognitive decline? 

    I was young and at the height of my Pearl Jam fandom when they supported Ralph Nader and were completely anti-George Bush... and I was all for them being outspoken and angry and wanting change.  Nowadays, I don't want to anger those who vote Republican by bashing Trump.  I feel the band used to try to speak up for the little guy (Ticketmaster, Nader, etc.)... now it feels like they're so wealthy and out of touch that they'll be satisfied to make a lame t-shirt for the lesser of two evils in this broken, corrupted process we have.

    I with there was a message of trying to bring people back together... I feel like RFK Jr. has said that multiple times, but the DNC is doing everything in their power to suppress him.  Have his naysayers actually listened to his long-form interviews?  So sharp, a real knowledge of history, a great record on environment... but yet many want to dismiss him as "anti-vaccine" and a "conspiracy theorist".  

    RFK jr gets dismissed because while he may say some feel good things, he’s really out of touch and intentionally deceptive. He isn’t quote anti-vaccine, he actually is anti-vaccine. He does couch his language in plausible deniability as part of his manipulation, but when you pick up on this you can be on to his shit. 
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 41,164
    I've listened to RFK's long form interviews. he's a fucking quack. 

    Yeah, I was just going to say, the guy is a nut case.  The fact of the matter remains, none of next years potential POTUS candidates are by any means idea, but Biden is still the best option (thus far) and at the very least, the least dangerous of the lot.
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,393
    rfk is there only to spoil biden and the democrats' chances. he is funded by gop donors, because the gop has literal dogshit candidates and dogshit platforms to choose from.

    when you cannot win an election on messaging and platform, you divide the electorate of your opposition. it is pretty easy to see what rfk is up to here. he is just another clown in the clownshow.
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    curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 3,463
    Most of the comments on this thread are from three(!) years ago, but since it has been resurrected today:

    Yes, Matt follows the Lincoln Project (I see his likes on their posts, too). That doesn't tell anyone anything beyond he supports efforts to keep TFG out of the White House.

    ^^^ That's a pretty big tent, TBH. So, for anyone reading this who is not quite as far left as Mr. Vedder but who, nonetheless, is freaked out by the idea of TFG being re-elected, may I suggest that you make your way to The Bulwark? The Bulwark is, first and foremost, a pro-democracy outlet. The writers/contributors are mostly center-right, although picking up Will Saletan was a big win IMO. At any rate, they range from center-right to center-left, and they offer great writing and podcasts. The Bulwark community is pretty great, too -- overall, a very civil group of people united in their desire to preserve democratic norms despite policy differences. 

    Because, IMNSHO, preserving democratic norms is the only issue in 2024. Other topics are important, yes, but if TFG is re-elected all those policies  go out the window.

    RFK is not a serious candidate. He's a conspiracy nut who only is polling above 1% because of his name.

    The current GOP is not a conservative party, it is an authoritarian cult.

     
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 36,654
    Most of the comments on this thread are from three(!) years ago, but since it has been resurrected today:

    Yes, Matt follows the Lincoln Project (I see his likes on their posts, too). That doesn't tell anyone anything beyond he supports efforts to keep TFG out of the White House.

    ^^^ That's a pretty big tent, TBH. So, for anyone reading this who is not quite as far left as Mr. Vedder but who, nonetheless, is freaked out by the idea of TFG being re-elected, may I suggest that you make your way to The Bulwark? The Bulwark is, first and foremost, a pro-democracy outlet. The writers/contributors are mostly center-right, although picking up Will Saletan was a big win IMO. At any rate, they range from center-right to center-left, and they offer great writing and podcasts. The Bulwark community is pretty great, too -- overall, a very civil group of people united in their desire to preserve democratic norms despite policy differences. 

    Because, IMNSHO, preserving democratic norms is the only issue in 2024. Other topics are important, yes, but if TFG is re-elected all those policies  go out the window.

    RFK is not a serious candidate. He's a conspiracy nut who only is polling above 1% because of his name.

    The current GOP is not a conservative party, it is an authoritarian cult.

     

    go on. I'm listening......
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    curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 3,463
    mickeyrat said:
    Most of the comments on this thread are from three(!) years ago, but since it has been resurrected today:

    Yes, Matt follows the Lincoln Project (I see his likes on their posts, too). That doesn't tell anyone anything beyond he supports efforts to keep TFG out of the White House.

    ^^^ That's a pretty big tent, TBH. So, for anyone reading this who is not quite as far left as Mr. Vedder but who, nonetheless, is freaked out by the idea of TFG being re-elected, may I suggest that you make your way to The Bulwark? The Bulwark is, first and foremost, a pro-democracy outlet. The writers/contributors are mostly center-right, although picking up Will Saletan was a big win IMO. At any rate, they range from center-right to center-left, and they offer great writing and podcasts. The Bulwark community is pretty great, too -- overall, a very civil group of people united in their desire to preserve democratic norms despite policy differences. 

    Because, IMNSHO, preserving democratic norms is the only issue in 2024. Other topics are important, yes, but if TFG is re-elected all those policies  go out the window.

    RFK is not a serious candidate. He's a conspiracy nut who only is polling above 1% because of his name.

    The current GOP is not a conservative party, it is an authoritarian cult.

     

    go on. I'm listening......

    Go check out the Bulwark. Some progressives get annoyed with them over issues like trans rights (which, to be clear, I support; equal protection under the law for everyone, period). They're not a progressive organization, and they don't pretend to be; most of the writers are former GOP operatives (and most have since left the GOP, and all plan to vote for Biden). But I'm a paying subscriber, for two, three reasons:

    1) I think it's important to challenge my own assumptions rather than dwelling in a social media bubble where we all agree to agree with each other.

    2) The writing/ podcasts are good!

    3) Again, they're all about the overriding issue, which is preserving democratic norms/ keeping TFG out of the White House.


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    I rather enjoy them. Especially on Trump trial Thursdays
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    Most of the comments on this thread are from three(!) years ago, but since it has been resurrected today:

    Yes, Matt follows the Lincoln Project (I see his likes on their posts, too). That doesn't tell anyone anything beyond he supports efforts to keep TFG out of the White House.

    ^^^ That's a pretty big tent, TBH. So, for anyone reading this who is not quite as far left as Mr. Vedder but who, nonetheless, is freaked out by the idea of TFG being re-elected, may I suggest that you make your way to The Bulwark? The Bulwark is, first and foremost, a pro-democracy outlet. The writers/contributors are mostly center-right, although picking up Will Saletan was a big win IMO. At any rate, they range from center-right to center-left, and they offer great writing and podcasts. The Bulwark community is pretty great, too -- overall, a very civil group of people united in their desire to preserve democratic norms despite policy differences. 

    Because, IMNSHO, preserving democratic norms is the only issue in 2024. Other topics are important, yes, but if TFG is re-elected all those policies  go out the window.

    RFK is not a serious candidate. He's a conspiracy nut who only is polling above 1% because of his name.

    The current GOP is not a conservative party, it is an authoritarian cult.

     

    Gads!  Sorry, don't mean to be gruff, but your post is riddled (literally and figuratively) with acronyms.  Who is TFG?
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 36,654
    brianlux said:
    Most of the comments on this thread are from three(!) years ago, but since it has been resurrected today:

    Yes, Matt follows the Lincoln Project (I see his likes on their posts, too). That doesn't tell anyone anything beyond he supports efforts to keep TFG out of the White House.

    ^^^ That's a pretty big tent, TBH. So, for anyone reading this who is not quite as far left as Mr. Vedder but who, nonetheless, is freaked out by the idea of TFG being re-elected, may I suggest that you make your way to The Bulwark? The Bulwark is, first and foremost, a pro-democracy outlet. The writers/contributors are mostly center-right, although picking up Will Saletan was a big win IMO. At any rate, they range from center-right to center-left, and they offer great writing and podcasts. The Bulwark community is pretty great, too -- overall, a very civil group of people united in their desire to preserve democratic norms despite policy differences. 

    Because, IMNSHO, preserving democratic norms is the only issue in 2024. Other topics are important, yes, but if TFG is re-elected all those policies  go out the window.

    RFK is not a serious candidate. He's a conspiracy nut who only is polling above 1% because of his name.

    The current GOP is not a conservative party, it is an authoritarian cult.

     

    Gads!  Sorry, don't mean to be gruff, but your post is riddled (literally and figuratively) with acronyms.  Who is TFG?

    that fucking guy
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    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    Most of the comments on this thread are from three(!) years ago, but since it has been resurrected today:

    Yes, Matt follows the Lincoln Project (I see his likes on their posts, too). That doesn't tell anyone anything beyond he supports efforts to keep TFG out of the White House.

    ^^^ That's a pretty big tent, TBH. So, for anyone reading this who is not quite as far left as Mr. Vedder but who, nonetheless, is freaked out by the idea of TFG being re-elected, may I suggest that you make your way to The Bulwark? The Bulwark is, first and foremost, a pro-democracy outlet. The writers/contributors are mostly center-right, although picking up Will Saletan was a big win IMO. At any rate, they range from center-right to center-left, and they offer great writing and podcasts. The Bulwark community is pretty great, too -- overall, a very civil group of people united in their desire to preserve democratic norms despite policy differences. 

    Because, IMNSHO, preserving democratic norms is the only issue in 2024. Other topics are important, yes, but if TFG is re-elected all those policies  go out the window.

    RFK is not a serious candidate. He's a conspiracy nut who only is polling above 1% because of his name.

    The current GOP is not a conservative party, it is an authoritarian cult.

     

    Gads!  Sorry, don't mean to be gruff, but your post is riddled (literally and figuratively) with acronyms.  Who is TFG?

    that fucking guy
    Or ‘the former guy’. 

    I like what I’ve seen from the Bulwark. I should step up & subscribe. 
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    curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 3,463
    brianlux said:
    Most of the comments on this thread are from three(!) years ago, but since it has been resurrected today:

    Yes, Matt follows the Lincoln Project (I see his likes on their posts, too). That doesn't tell anyone anything beyond he supports efforts to keep TFG out of the White House.

    ^^^ That's a pretty big tent, TBH. So, for anyone reading this who is not quite as far left as Mr. Vedder but who, nonetheless, is freaked out by the idea of TFG being re-elected, may I suggest that you make your way to The Bulwark? The Bulwark is, first and foremost, a pro-democracy outlet. The writers/contributors are mostly center-right, although picking up Will Saletan was a big win IMO. At any rate, they range from center-right to center-left, and they offer great writing and podcasts. The Bulwark community is pretty great, too -- overall, a very civil group of people united in their desire to preserve democratic norms despite policy differences. 

    Because, IMNSHO, preserving democratic norms is the only issue in 2024. Other topics are important, yes, but if TFG is re-elected all those policies  go out the window.

    RFK is not a serious candidate. He's a conspiracy nut who only is polling above 1% because of his name.

    The current GOP is not a conservative party, it is an authoritarian cult.

     

    Gads!  Sorry, don't mean to be gruff, but your post is riddled (literally and figuratively) with acronyms.  Who is TFG?

    Sorry, Brian. I don't use his name, ever since he declared that his name alone is worth "billions."
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    curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 3,463
    mickeyrat said:
    I rather enjoy them. Especially on Trump trial Thursdays

    They have ample material for that particular podcast, don't they?
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 36,654
    mickeyrat said:
    I rather enjoy them. Especially on Trump trial Thursdays

    They have ample material for that particular podcast, don't they?

    could prob add a second for that topic.

    Jack is a good one. extension of MuellerSheWrote.Which began back when Mueller was doing his thing.  Allison Gill who gave up her job when fuckstick and Mulvaney eliminated her job in San Diego and "promoted" her to a position in DC..... co-hosted by Andrew McCabe.
    really well done analysis of all the goings on...
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    wnh1977 said:
    Who on Earth would ever wear this? Even if you love Biden. Or...even if you totally hate Trump. Can you look like a bigger dork wearing a "It's Time to Vote/Ridin' With Biden" shirt on? 




    I'm actually a lot like you politically. Conservative on some things, liberal on others. I'm not a member of either party because they're both a joke. Voted for Obama in 2008, and then Romney in 2012. Would've preferred to vote republican in 2016...if the nominee wasn't Trump. Like you, I do think the band is sincere with their unabashed liberalism. And regarding your question about a MAGA-hat wearer wearing one at a PJ show not to antagonize, but because they wear it every day. It would be perceived as being antagonistic. It just would. People feel antagonized simply by seeing it in the streets. Hell, I don't have any true hatred for Trump-fans, but even I look at them like "Dude, what are you doing?" when I see one in that hat (just as I would if I saw someone in this PJ/Biden shirt). So yeah, I think it would be viewed as antagonistic at a PJ show.

    But to be fair, this one is actually a pretty cool design:


    To date, "Ridin' with Biden" has to be one of the most embarrassing things Pearl Jam has ever done.  So cringe.  I understand not wanting Trump, but Joe Biden?  The DNC's hand-picked 80 year old in serious cognitive decline? 

    I was young and at the height of my Pearl Jam fandom when they supported Ralph Nader and were completely anti-George Bush... and I was all for them being outspoken and angry and wanting change.  Nowadays, I don't want to anger those who vote Republican by bashing Trump.  I feel the band used to try to speak up for the little guy (Ticketmaster, Nader, etc.)... now it feels like they're so wealthy and out of touch that they'll be satisfied to make a lame t-shirt for the lesser of two evils in this broken, corrupted process we have.

    I with there was a message of trying to bring people back together... I feel like RFK Jr. has said that multiple times, but the DNC is doing everything in their power to suppress him.  Have his naysayers actually listened to his long-form interviews?  So sharp, a real knowledge of history, a great record on environment... but yet many want to dismiss him as "anti-vaccine" and a "conspiracy theorist".  

    The shirt sucks but if you think Biden is the lesser of two evils when his opponent legitimately tried to end democracy and is vowing to do so again (he is openly telling his supporters he wants to lock up his opponents) then I have to wonder how closely you are paying attention.

    Also, who gives a shit if you anger a Trump supporter? Bash away. He deserves to be bashed from here to eternity. 


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