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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 34,079
    edited September 2020
    PJPOWER said:
    A vote for the Covidiot is a vote for stupidity,racism, exclusion,! 

    A vote for the Covidiot is a vote for stupidity,racism, exclusion,! 
    When you support a racist in any way shape or form, including voting, that makes you a racist  as well.

    #TrumpKnew

    So you support Biden?  Must be because “you ain’t black”...Ever go into a 7-11 or donut store without an Indian accent?  Yeah, Biden “ain’t” racist....
    I guess you could say he’s not as racist as Trump, but I don’t think he’s in the clear and there’s plenty of questionably racist statements in his past, so you must be racist if you support him in any shape or form...including voting for him...

    I've been to a 7-11 without an Indian accent but I once sounded like Robin Williams doing John Wayne doing Shakespeare when I saw a pretty clerk and said, "Well is that a bagger I see before me?"

    Biden, racist?  Wednesday Thursday Friday?
    Post edited by brianlux on
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 6,179
    brianlux said:
    PJPOWER said:
    A vote for the Covidiot is a vote for stupidity,racism, exclusion,! 

    A vote for the Covidiot is a vote for stupidity,racism, exclusion,! 
    When you support a racist in any way shape or form, including voting, that makes you a racist  as well.

    #TrumpKnew

    So you support Biden?  Must be because “you ain’t black”...Ever go into a 7-11 or donut store without an Indian accent?  Yeah, Biden “ain’t” racist....
    I guess you could say he’s not as racist as Trump, but I don’t think he’s in the clear and there’s plenty of questionably racist statements in his past, so you must be racist if you support him in any shape or form...including voting for him...

    I've been to a 7-11 without an Indian accent but I once sounded like Robin Williams doing John Wayne doing Shakespeare when I saw a pretty clerk and said, "Well is that a bagger I see before me?"

    Biden, racist?  Wednesday Thursday Friday?
    Ha, hopefully she wasn’t a “Karen”! :)
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,709
    edited September 2020
    PJPOWER said:
    A vote for the Covidiot is a vote for stupidity,racism, exclusion,! 

    A vote for the Covidiot is a vote for stupidity,racism, exclusion,! 
    When you support a racist in any way shape or form, including voting, that makes you a racist  as well.

    #TrumpKnew

    So you support Biden?  Must be because “you ain’t black”...Ever go into a 7-11 or donut store without an Indian accent?  Yeah, Biden “ain’t” racist....
    I guess you could say he’s not as racist as Trump, but I don’t think he’s in the clear and there’s plenty of questionably racist statements in his past, so you must be racist if you support him in any shape or form...including voting for him...
    Team Trump Treason is all of the below and then some. Sleepy Woke Joe Basement Biden is not, not even close. Another false equivalency. Nice.

     It was first defined by the Oxford English Dictionary (2nd edition, 1989) as "[t]he theory that distinctive human characteristics and abilities are determined by race"; the same dictionary termed racism a synonym of racialism: "belief in the superiority of a particular race". By the end of World War IIracism had acquired the same supremacist connotations formerly associated with racialismracism now implied racial discrimination, racial supremacism, and a harmful intent. (The term "race hatred" had also been used by sociologist Frederick Hertz in the late 1920s.)

    someone who believes that their race makes them better, more intelligent, more moral, etc. than people of other races and who does or says unfair or harmful things as a result:
    Post edited by Halifax2TheMax on
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 6,179
    edited September 2020
    “In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.”

    “You got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man”

    “Well, I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.”

    -Joe Biden

    How do you know someone is a racist?  
    For someone “without a racist bone”, he sure has to keep on the defensive for making racially insensitive remarks.  What was his position on busing and urban crime again, I never can remember.
    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jun/28/joe-biden/joe-biden-oversimplifies-his-record-school-busing-/
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 26,105
    PJPOWER said:
    “In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.”

    “You got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man”

    “Well, I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.”

    -Joe Biden

    How do you know someone is a racist?  
    For someone “without a racist bone”, he sure has to keep on the defensive for making racially insensitive remarks.  What was his position on busing and urban crime again, I never can remember.
    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jun/28/joe-biden/joe-biden-oversimplifies-his-record-school-busing-/
    at this point, i couldn't give two flying fucks about "insensitive". if it's that vs outright hatred of minorities, i'll take the former. 
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 6,052
    PJPOWER said:
    “In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.”

    “You got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man”

    “Well, I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.”

    -Joe Biden

    How do you know someone is a racist?  
    For someone “without a racist bone”, he sure has to keep on the defensive for making racially insensitive remarks.  What was his position on busing and urban crime again, I never can remember.
    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jun/28/joe-biden/joe-biden-oversimplifies-his-record-school-busing-/
    Where else would Indian-Americans be coming from?
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 6,179
    edited September 2020
    PJPOWER said:
    “In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.”

    “You got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man”

    “Well, I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.”

    -Joe Biden

    How do you know someone is a racist?  
    For someone “without a racist bone”, he sure has to keep on the defensive for making racially insensitive remarks.  What was his position on busing and urban crime again, I never can remember.
    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jun/28/joe-biden/joe-biden-oversimplifies-his-record-school-busing-/
    at this point, i couldn't give two flying fucks about "insensitive". if it's that vs outright hatred of minorities, i'll take the former. 
    Totally, but:
      “When you support a racist in any way shape or form, including voting, that makes you a racist  as well.”
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 26,105
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    “In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.”

    “You got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man”

    “Well, I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.”

    -Joe Biden

    How do you know someone is a racist?  
    For someone “without a racist bone”, he sure has to keep on the defensive for making racially insensitive remarks.  What was his position on busing and urban crime again, I never can remember.
    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jun/28/joe-biden/joe-biden-oversimplifies-his-record-school-busing-/
    at this point, i couldn't give two flying fucks about "insensitive". if it's that vs outright hatred of minorities, i'll take the former. 
    Totally, but:
      “When you support a racist in any way shape or form, including voting, that makes you a racist  as well.”
    i am on record previously as disagreeing with that statement. 
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 4,354
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    “In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.”

    “You got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man”

    “Well, I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.”

    -Joe Biden

    How do you know someone is a racist?  
    For someone “without a racist bone”, he sure has to keep on the defensive for making racially insensitive remarks.  What was his position on busing and urban crime again, I never can remember.
    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jun/28/joe-biden/joe-biden-oversimplifies-his-record-school-busing-/
    at this point, i couldn't give two flying fucks about "insensitive". if it's that vs outright hatred of minorities, i'll take the former. 
    Totally, but:
      “When you support a racist in any way shape or form, including voting, that makes you a racist  as well.”
    i am on record previously as disagreeing with that statement. 
    Yes you are. And I agree with you 100%. 
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 6,179
    edited September 2020
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    “In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.”

    “You got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man”

    “Well, I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.”

    -Joe Biden

    How do you know someone is a racist?  
    For someone “without a racist bone”, he sure has to keep on the defensive for making racially insensitive remarks.  What was his position on busing and urban crime again, I never can remember.
    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jun/28/joe-biden/joe-biden-oversimplifies-his-record-school-busing-/
    at this point, i couldn't give two flying fucks about "insensitive". if it's that vs outright hatred of minorities, i'll take the former. 
    Totally, but:
      “When you support a racist in any way shape or form, including voting, that makes you a racist  as well.”
    i am on record previously as disagreeing with that statement. 
    I’m with ya.  My posts above were just countering that exact statement that is repeated throughout the day in a catch phrase type fashion.
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 6,179
    edited September 2020
    mace1229 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    “In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.”

    “You got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man”

    “Well, I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.”

    -Joe Biden

    How do you know someone is a racist?  
    For someone “without a racist bone”, he sure has to keep on the defensive for making racially insensitive remarks.  What was his position on busing and urban crime again, I never can remember.
    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jun/28/joe-biden/joe-biden-oversimplifies-his-record-school-busing-/
    Where else would Indian-Americans be coming from?
    Right, haha. Bit of a redundancy there.  Maybe, in his defense, he was distinguishing them from Native American “Indians” for his less educated listeners?
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 6,052
    PJPOWER said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    “In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.”

    “You got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man”

    “Well, I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.”

    -Joe Biden

    How do you know someone is a racist?  
    For someone “without a racist bone”, he sure has to keep on the defensive for making racially insensitive remarks.  What was his position on busing and urban crime again, I never can remember.
    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jun/28/joe-biden/joe-biden-oversimplifies-his-record-school-busing-/
    Where else would Indian-Americans be coming from?
    Right, haha. Bit of a redundancy there.  Maybe, in his defense, he was distinguishing them from Native American “Indians” for his less educated listeners?
    Right, so to not confuse those with the big migration of native Americans to America.
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 6,179
    edited September 2020
    mace1229 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    “In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.”

    “You got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man”

    “Well, I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.”

    -Joe Biden

    How do you know someone is a racist?  
    For someone “without a racist bone”, he sure has to keep on the defensive for making racially insensitive remarks.  What was his position on busing and urban crime again, I never can remember.
    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jun/28/joe-biden/joe-biden-oversimplifies-his-record-school-busing-/
    Where else would Indian-Americans be coming from?
    Right, haha. Bit of a redundancy there.  Maybe, in his defense, he was distinguishing them from Native American “Indians” for his less educated listeners?
    Right, so to not confuse those with the big migration of native Americans to America.
    I’m sorry, I am not doing a very good job defending him. There is another thread here with plenty of that if you want to see what your vomit tastes like today, :)
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 8,740
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    “In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.”

    “You got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man”

    “Well, I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.”

    -Joe Biden

    How do you know someone is a racist?  
    For someone “without a racist bone”, he sure has to keep on the defensive for making racially insensitive remarks.  What was his position on busing and urban crime again, I never can remember.
    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jun/28/joe-biden/joe-biden-oversimplifies-his-record-school-busing-/
    at this point, i couldn't give two flying fucks about "insensitive". if it's that vs outright hatred of minorities, i'll take the former. 
    Totally, but:
      “When you support a racist in any way shape or form, including voting, that makes you a racist  as well.”
    How about this...

    If you dont support racist or racism don't  vote for one.
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 6,179
    edited September 2020
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    “In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.”

    “You got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man”

    “Well, I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.”

    -Joe Biden

    How do you know someone is a racist?  
    For someone “without a racist bone”, he sure has to keep on the defensive for making racially insensitive remarks.  What was his position on busing and urban crime again, I never can remember.
    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jun/28/joe-biden/joe-biden-oversimplifies-his-record-school-busing-/
    at this point, i couldn't give two flying fucks about "insensitive". if it's that vs outright hatred of minorities, i'll take the former. 
    Totally, but:
      “When you support a racist in any way shape or form, including voting, that makes you a racist  as well.”
    How about this...

    If you dont support racist or racism don't  vote for one.
    Wait wait wait, so you’re not voting for Biden or Trump?  3rd party?  My mistake for assuming.  I know that you are not a racist or at least I assume you are not voting for either of these fellas who have both made pretty racist comments, or arguably racist comments at least.  Better to play it safe, right?  I think I’m going to write in Bernie so that people don’t think that I’m afraid of socialists😱 
    Better yet, maybe I can try to refrain from marginalizing people in this category or that...want to ride that wave with me?
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • Yea, Sleepy Woke Joe Basement Biden is really a racist. In fact, he's so racist he served the first Black man elected POTUS for 8 years. So easily duped. False equivalencies abound. Context can be everything. Actions > words. But you know, both sides are the same. Afraid of all "others." BOO!

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-biden-videos/fact-check-video-of-joe-biden-is-an-assortment-of-true-and-misleading-clips-idUSKBN2426JT
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  • Op you like and respect Trump?

    As a person?

    I'm a lifelong conservative pre-2016 and I've always known Pearl Jam doesn't give two shits about my opinions.  They would be just as happy if I didn't buy their stuff or go to their shows.
    They walk the walk and that includes, I'm sure, being a-ok with losing some fans of their music so that they can fully represent what they believe in.

    Until this clown was voted in I never felt like our country was doomed.  I do now.  The idea that more people don't hate the idea of such a person holding the office of president really makes me think we are screwed.  I was super anti clinton as a philanderer - and Trump has his old buddy Slick Willie beaten by a hundred miles.

    Good for PJ.  Stick to what they believe in.  
    It doesn't matter than Biden is a joke.  I would vote for an an actual dead person before I would ever vote for Trump.  This isn't about how much more I can make under Trump.  This is about being able to be proud to be an American.  I'm ashamed that we gave the world this fool as our leader.


    I will never align myself as a conservative again.  Need to find a new label, if one has to apply.
    People who supported Trump will never be looked at the same again, by me.  This includes some people I have been friends with for 20+ years.  I just cannot respect them as much as I did previously, even though I know many of them are good people and do good things in this world.
    You actually proved me original thesis for me, sadly. So you will throw away friendships of over 20+ year because someone had the audacity to vote differently than you? Maybe, since you know these people, you would take a closer look at them. If they are good people and they voted for someone you loathe, maybe there is something about Trump you are totally reading wrong. Or is it just "orange man bad, go away, do not want to hear it?"
  • tdawe said:
    I can’t say I’ve fully located whatever question or point the OP was really trying to pose or make, but I do have one question for him. 

    When you say: “ But I am a big believer in... true freedom of speech (not the cancel culture/woke business that is going on now)”, I take that to mean that you are not in favor of people being made to feel that they need to censor themselves for fear of offending their neighbors/coworkers/employers/customers/etc. If that’s so, then how do you square that with the implication earlier in the post that Pearl Jam should cut back on their anti-Trump speech in order to avoid offending you (or, if you prefer, other less magnanimous conservative fans)? If you’re in favor of Pearl Jam changing their message to avoid offending some of their customers, how is that different than, say, companies pulling their ads from Tucker Carlson’s show to avoid offending some of their customers?
    Ah, yes. The person who skimmed my post but did not read it. I did not, in any way, imply the band should cut back on their anti-Trump stuff to avoid offending me. On the contrary, I said the exact opposite. And I am not in favor of the band changing its message. Not sure why I even bothered to respond. You clearly read something other than what I wrote.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 26,105
    Op you like and respect Trump?

    As a person?

    I'm a lifelong conservative pre-2016 and I've always known Pearl Jam doesn't give two shits about my opinions.  They would be just as happy if I didn't buy their stuff or go to their shows.
    They walk the walk and that includes, I'm sure, being a-ok with losing some fans of their music so that they can fully represent what they believe in.

    Until this clown was voted in I never felt like our country was doomed.  I do now.  The idea that more people don't hate the idea of such a person holding the office of president really makes me think we are screwed.  I was super anti clinton as a philanderer - and Trump has his old buddy Slick Willie beaten by a hundred miles.

    Good for PJ.  Stick to what they believe in.  
    It doesn't matter than Biden is a joke.  I would vote for an an actual dead person before I would ever vote for Trump.  This isn't about how much more I can make under Trump.  This is about being able to be proud to be an American.  I'm ashamed that we gave the world this fool as our leader.


    I will never align myself as a conservative again.  Need to find a new label, if one has to apply.
    People who supported Trump will never be looked at the same again, by me.  This includes some people I have been friends with for 20+ years.  I just cannot respect them as much as I did previously, even though I know many of them are good people and do good things in this world.
    You actually proved me original thesis for me, sadly. So you will throw away friendships of over 20+ year because someone had the audacity to vote differently than you? Maybe, since you know these people, you would take a closer look at them. If they are good people and they voted for someone you loathe, maybe there is something about Trump you are totally reading wrong. Or is it just "orange man bad, go away, do not want to hear it?"
    for me it's because politics has gone from a sometimes heated discussion, usually just a normal discussion where everything just moves on after, to people wanting to stick forks in their eyes. trump has brought out the worst in people. and because he's the worst, you see the people defending him, and their reasons why, it puts them in a different light then before. they aren't just a conservative. a lot of times you find out they are a bigot, or a xenophobe, or a racist, or a misogynist, or as just someone generally who you realize is morally bankrupt. 

    it's not just orange man bad. that's so simplistic. it has shown people's true colours, and sometimes, it's shocking, and it's enough that you feel you never really knew that person, and if you did, you wouldn't have become friends with them in the first place. 
    (Track 10 of The Headstones' Nickels For Your Nightmares)


  • Darth Lizard KingDarth Lizard King Posts: 72
    edited September 2020
    jdasilvaf said:
    Darth Lizard King said: But I am a big believer in law and order, tight borders, strong military and police, 2nd Amendment, and true freedom of speech (not the cancel culture/woke business that is going on now). 
    A lot to unpack here... what do you mean by "law and order"? The legal system has never been fair nor equally applied in this country. It is a fact that Black and Brown people are more likely to be stopped by police and arrested for the same offenses whites commit but are never arrested for (from driving without a license, driving drunk, to smoking marihuana, etc). Black people are a minority but make up the majority of the prison population. So, law and order for whom? What do you mean by "order"? As the racial justice activism, and the rise of Democratic Socialism have demonstrated there is a significant part of the population that believes that there is injustice and inequality in nearly all the structures of our society (law, economic, housing, employment). Do you deny the existence of structural inequality?. The second amendment, I have no issue with. I do take issue with people being allowed to buy military grade weapons and carry them in public. I assure you though, the moment more of us (Lefists, Latinos and supporters of BLM) start exercising our second amendment rights, conservatives are going to jump on gun regulations faster than you can say "Ronald Reagan". What is "true" vs "false" freedom of speech? Is there really a cancel culture? Seems to like every time a conservative screams "I've been cancelled" they end up getting a ton of coverage and support from the right, meanwhile academics and journalists are routinely fired for criticizing Israeli government policies towards Palestinians. 

    This is my favorite part. You know when someone says "a lot to unpack here," they are basically "that" guy/girl.

    I am one of those "brown" people you are talking about (kind of racist to so lazily identify someone by the color of their skin, but we can move past it, I guess), and I did not ask you to speak on my behalf. The reason why many of us (Mexicans) want reasonable border security and immigration policies, is we came here the right way, built a life, and are proud to be Americans. America is not obligated to help every needy person coming to our borders illegally, but we always have, because we are a good and noble country. But we want people to be vetted, just like we were, to keep out the gangs, the drug pushers, and the child traffickers, the ones who give the rest of us a bad name, the ones Trump called "animals," the ones Trump said are not our "best and brightest." If you have no law, you have chaos (see: Portland, Seattle, Chicago). If you have no borders, you have no country (see: Sweden).

    The rest of your rant is classic inane liberal chatter: right from Rachel Maddow's face to the nearest bathroom wall, which is where you got it. Probably took a couple liberal arts classes in college and now you think you are Harvey Milk + Martin Luther King. You're going to be very lonely over there on the wrong side of history.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 18,693
    :bee:

    There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 18,693
    gotta get our office assistant ready.


    There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • jdasilvafjdasilvaf Posts: 101
    edited September 2020
    jdasilvaf said:
    Darth Lizard King said: But I am a big believer in law and order, tight borders, strong military and police, 2nd Amendment, and true freedom of speech (not the cancel culture/woke business that is going on now). 
    A lot to unpack here... what do you mean by "law and order"? The legal system has never been fair nor equally applied in this country. It is a fact that Black and Brown people are more likely to be stopped by police and arrested for the same offenses whites commit but are never arrested for (from driving without a license, driving drunk, to smoking marihuana, etc). Black people are a minority but make up the majority of the prison population. So, law and order for whom? What do you mean by "order"? As the racial justice activism, and the rise of Democratic Socialism have demonstrated there is a significant part of the population that believes that there is injustice and inequality in nearly all the structures of our society (law, economic, housing, employment). Do you deny the existence of structural inequality?. The second amendment, I have no issue with. I do take issue with people being allowed to buy military grade weapons and carry them in public. I assure you though, the moment more of us (Lefists, Latinos and supporters of BLM) start exercising our second amendment rights, conservatives are going to jump on gun regulations faster than you can say "Ronald Reagan". What is "true" vs "false" freedom of speech? Is there really a cancel culture? Seems to like every time a conservative screams "I've been cancelled" they end up getting a ton of coverage and support from the right, meanwhile academics and journalists are routinely fired for criticizing Israeli government policies towards Palestinians. 

    This is my favorite part. You know when someone says "a lot to unpack here," they are basically "that" guy/girl.

    I am one of those "brown" people you are talking about (kind of racist to so lazily identify someone by the color of their skin, but we can move past it, I guess), and I did not ask you to speak on my behalf. The reason why many of us (Mexicans) want reasonable border security and immigration policies, is we came here the right way, built a life, and are proud to be Americans. America is not obligated to help every needy person coming to our borders illegally, but we always have, because we are a good and noble country. But we want people to be vetted, just like we were, to keep out the gangs, the drug pushers, and the child traffickers, the ones who give the rest of us a bad name, the ones Trump called "animals," the ones Trump said are not our "best and brightest." If you have no law, you have chaos (see: Portland, Seattle, Chicago). If you have no borders, you have no country (see: Sweden).

    The rest of your rant is classic inane liberal chatter: right from Rachel Maddow's face to the nearest bathroom wall, which is where you got it. Probably took a couple liberal arts classes in college and now you think you are Harvey Milk + Martin Luther King. You're going to be very lonely over there on the wrong side of history.
    I'm latino as well, and a first generation immigrant to the US. So, I wasn't speaking for you, but myself and the majority of latinos that are progressive and don't buy into your self-righteous "I came the right way" bullshit because we know that this country has had a racist immigration system that is arbitrary and unjust. 

    The rest of your response is classic right-wing insecure trolling, nothing I posted was "inane", you mock it because you can't properly respond to it. Fact is, you can't actually provide a nuanced definition of what "law and order" and "freedom of speech" are without repeating some Fox News/GOP talking point, because that's what those two phrases are... just empty slogans. As most right-wingers obsessed with this idea that everyone is under siege by evil marauding gangs of immigrants,  you are misinformed about crime statistics (crime has consistently gone down for the past two decades) in this country (and the vast majority is committed by citizens - see - https://www.themarshallproject.org/2018/03/30/the-myth-of-the-criminal-immigrant, not immigrants). The U.S. has a lot of great things, sure, it's why so many of us come here,  but you're not doing anyone any favors by ignoring the present and the past. The Chinese Exclusion Act, Operation Wetback, internment of Japanese Americans during WWII, the denial of refuge to thousands of European Jews who were sent back to Europe to die, and more recently, Trump's treatment of refugees and asylum-seekers placing them in indefinite detention. 

    As for Portland, Seattle, Chicago, protests are pretty much limited to a few blocks, it's laughable that you so easily fell for this "no law/chaos" rhetoric sold to you by a xenophobic conman, who by the way, doesn't really want you or me here. 

    Oh and yes, I happen to be well-educated. I'm proud of that. I have a BA, MA and now in my second year in PhD program. Migration is my main area of study. But I forget, you right-wingers are anti-intellectual because it's all about belief/feelings.

    Wrong side of history? Were you asleep during the 2018 midterms? Republicans are dinosaurs and are going extinct, unless they change. The Republican base (white non-college educated) will be even more of a minority by 2040. Enjoy!
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 8,740
    It has always shocked me when immigrants to this country don't want more immigrants here.

    America was built on immigrants and can't survive without them.

    #TrumpKnew

  • It has always shocked me when immigrants to this country don't want more immigrants here.

    America was built on immigrants and can't survive without them.

    #TrumpKnew

    Most of us do, it's just the self-righteous sh*theads who want to pull the ladder up behind them. Coming "the right way" is either about privilege or luck, or good timing, it does not make you a better immigrant or better citizen.
  • static111static111 Posts: 2,535
    jdasilvaf said:
    Darth Lizard King said: But I am a big believer in law and order, tight borders, strong military and police, 2nd Amendment, and true freedom of speech (not the cancel culture/woke business that is going on now). 
    A lot to unpack here... what do you mean by "law and order"? The legal system has never been fair nor equally applied in this country. It is a fact that Black and Brown people are more likely to be stopped by police and arrested for the same offenses whites commit but are never arrested for (from driving without a license, driving drunk, to smoking marihuana, etc). Black people are a minority but make up the majority of the prison population. So, law and order for whom? What do you mean by "order"? As the racial justice activism, and the rise of Democratic Socialism have demonstrated there is a significant part of the population that believes that there is injustice and inequality in nearly all the structures of our society (law, economic, housing, employment). Do you deny the existence of structural inequality?. The second amendment, I have no issue with. I do take issue with people being allowed to buy military grade weapons and carry them in public. I assure you though, the moment more of us (Lefists, Latinos and supporters of BLM) start exercising our second amendment rights, conservatives are going to jump on gun regulations faster than you can say "Ronald Reagan". What is "true" vs "false" freedom of speech? Is there really a cancel culture? Seems to like every time a conservative screams "I've been cancelled" they end up getting a ton of coverage and support from the right, meanwhile academics and journalists are routinely fired for criticizing Israeli government policies towards Palestinians. 

    This is my favorite part. You know when someone says "a lot to unpack here," they are basically "that" guy/girl.

    I am one of those "brown" people you are talking about (kind of racist to so lazily identify someone by the color of their skin, but we can move past it, I guess), and I did not ask you to speak on my behalf. The reason why many of us (Mexicans) want reasonable border security and immigration policies, is we came here the right way, built a life, and are proud to be Americans. America is not obligated to help every needy person coming to our borders illegally, but we always have, because we are a good and noble country. But we want people to be vetted, just like we were, to keep out the gangs, the drug pushers, and the child traffickers, the ones who give the rest of us a bad name, the ones Trump called "animals," the ones Trump said are not our "best and brightest." If you have no law, you have chaos (see: Portland, Seattle, Chicago). If you have no borders, you have no country (see: Sweden).

    The rest of your rant is classic inane liberal chatter: right from Rachel Maddow's face to the nearest bathroom wall, which is where you got it. Probably took a couple liberal arts classes in college and now you think you are Harvey Milk + Martin Luther King. You're going to be very lonely over there on the wrong side of history.
    What are you getting at with the Sweden comment?
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 4,046
    Op you like and respect Trump?

    As a person?

    I'm a lifelong conservative pre-2016 and I've always known Pearl Jam doesn't give two shits about my opinions.  They would be just as happy if I didn't buy their stuff or go to their shows.
    They walk the walk and that includes, I'm sure, being a-ok with losing some fans of their music so that they can fully represent what they believe in.

    Until this clown was voted in I never felt like our country was doomed.  I do now.  The idea that more people don't hate the idea of such a person holding the office of president really makes me think we are screwed.  I was super anti clinton as a philanderer - and Trump has his old buddy Slick Willie beaten by a hundred miles.

    Good for PJ.  Stick to what they believe in.  
    It doesn't matter than Biden is a joke.  I would vote for an an actual dead person before I would ever vote for Trump.  This isn't about how much more I can make under Trump.  This is about being able to be proud to be an American.  I'm ashamed that we gave the world this fool as our leader.


    I will never align myself as a conservative again.  Need to find a new label, if one has to apply.
    People who supported Trump will never be looked at the same again, by me.  This includes some people I have been friends with for 20+ years.  I just cannot respect them as much as I did previously, even though I know many of them are good people and do good things in this world.
    You actually proved me original thesis for me, sadly. So you will throw away friendships of over 20+ year because someone had the audacity to vote differently than you? Maybe, since you know these people, you would take a closer look at them. If they are good people and they voted for someone you loathe, maybe there is something about Trump you are totally reading wrong. Or is it just "orange man bad, go away, do not want to hear it?"

    An open letter to all Trump supporters:



    You are not getting how bad trump is. How he lies constantly to benefit himself and create a false and lethally dangerous misunderstanding of this pandemic.

    TODAY over 40,000 new cases and about 1000 dead. We experienced deaths comparable to 9/11 SINCE WEDNESDAY

    Yall choose to think only of yourselves, so as a nation we are punished because we can't get the infection level down because wearing masks and standing 6 feet apart is too much to ask.

    I have close family on my wife's side. I will always think of them for the rest of my life as stupid idiots for the idiotic lies they parrot from trump. This is not political.  It is dangerous stupidity.

    If you put my daughters life at risk due to your selfishness,  you are dead to me.

    Certain sins are inexcusable.  If you support Trump,  you are likely too consumed thinking of yourself to understand.
  • static111 said:
    jdasilvaf said:
    Darth Lizard King said: But I am a big believer in law and order, tight borders, strong military and police, 2nd Amendment, and true freedom of speech (not the cancel culture/woke business that is going on now). 
    A lot to unpack here... what do you mean by "law and order"? The legal system has never been fair nor equally applied in this country. It is a fact that Black and Brown people are more likely to be stopped by police and arrested for the same offenses whites commit but are never arrested for (from driving without a license, driving drunk, to smoking marihuana, etc). Black people are a minority but make up the majority of the prison population. So, law and order for whom? What do you mean by "order"? As the racial justice activism, and the rise of Democratic Socialism have demonstrated there is a significant part of the population that believes that there is injustice and inequality in nearly all the structures of our society (law, economic, housing, employment). Do you deny the existence of structural inequality?. The second amendment, I have no issue with. I do take issue with people being allowed to buy military grade weapons and carry them in public. I assure you though, the moment more of us (Lefists, Latinos and supporters of BLM) start exercising our second amendment rights, conservatives are going to jump on gun regulations faster than you can say "Ronald Reagan". What is "true" vs "false" freedom of speech? Is there really a cancel culture? Seems to like every time a conservative screams "I've been cancelled" they end up getting a ton of coverage and support from the right, meanwhile academics and journalists are routinely fired for criticizing Israeli government policies towards Palestinians. 

    This is my favorite part. You know when someone says "a lot to unpack here," they are basically "that" guy/girl.

    I am one of those "brown" people you are talking about (kind of racist to so lazily identify someone by the color of their skin, but we can move past it, I guess), and I did not ask you to speak on my behalf. The reason why many of us (Mexicans) want reasonable border security and immigration policies, is we came here the right way, built a life, and are proud to be Americans. America is not obligated to help every needy person coming to our borders illegally, but we always have, because we are a good and noble country. But we want people to be vetted, just like we were, to keep out the gangs, the drug pushers, and the child traffickers, the ones who give the rest of us a bad name, the ones Trump called "animals," the ones Trump said are not our "best and brightest." If you have no law, you have chaos (see: Portland, Seattle, Chicago). If you have no borders, you have no country (see: Sweden).

    The rest of your rant is classic inane liberal chatter: right from Rachel Maddow's face to the nearest bathroom wall, which is where you got it. Probably took a couple liberal arts classes in college and now you think you are Harvey Milk + Martin Luther King. You're going to be very lonely over there on the wrong side of history.
    What are you getting at with the Sweden comment?
    I can only assume he's referencing the often repeated islamophobic/white supremacist trope shared by American right-wingers, with zero evidence, that Sweden has been overrun by immigrants. 
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 34,079
    edited September 2020
    Op you like and respect Trump?

    As a person?

    I'm a lifelong conservative pre-2016 and I've always known Pearl Jam doesn't give two shits about my opinions.  They would be just as happy if I didn't buy their stuff or go to their shows.
    They walk the walk and that includes, I'm sure, being a-ok with losing some fans of their music so that they can fully represent what they believe in.

    Until this clown was voted in I never felt like our country was doomed.  I do now.  The idea that more people don't hate the idea of such a person holding the office of president really makes me think we are screwed.  I was super anti clinton as a philanderer - and Trump has his old buddy Slick Willie beaten by a hundred miles.

    Good for PJ.  Stick to what they believe in.  
    It doesn't matter than Biden is a joke.  I would vote for an an actual dead person before I would ever vote for Trump.  This isn't about how much more I can make under Trump.  This is about being able to be proud to be an American.  I'm ashamed that we gave the world this fool as our leader.


    I will never align myself as a conservative again.  Need to find a new label, if one has to apply.
    People who supported Trump will never be looked at the same again, by me.  This includes some people I have been friends with for 20+ years.  I just cannot respect them as much as I did previously, even though I know many of them are good people and do good things in this world.
    You actually proved me original thesis for me, sadly. So you will throw away friendships of over 20+ year because someone had the audacity to vote differently than you? Maybe, since you know these people, you would take a closer look at them. If they are good people and they voted for someone you loathe, maybe there is something about Trump you are totally reading wrong. Or is it just "orange man bad, go away, do not want to hear it?"

    An open letter to all Trump supporters:



    You are not getting how bad trump is. How he lies constantly to benefit himself and create a false and lethally dangerous misunderstanding of this pandemic.

    TODAY over 40,000 new cases and about 1000 dead. We experienced deaths comparable to 9/11 SINCE WEDNESDAY

    Yall choose to think only of yourselves, so as a nation we are punished because we can't get the infection level down because wearing masks and standing 6 feet apart is too much to ask.

    I have close family on my wife's side. I will always think of them for the rest of my life as stupid idiots for the idiotic lies they parrot from trump. This is not political.  It is dangerous stupidity.

    If you put my daughters life at risk due to your selfishness,  you are dead to me.

    Certain sins are inexcusable.  If you support Trump,  you are likely too consumed thinking of yourself to understand.

    At this point, Lerxst199 I'm convinced Trump supporters have no interest in really looking at the man for who he is.  If they have, and they support the kind of person he is, they probably have some or several characteristics of his (I won't mention the obvious).

    They don't pay attention to the lies as long as what he says fits their agenda.

    Why they don't recognize his responsibility in the death of many thousands of people due to COVID is beyond me.  I can only guess it is some extreme form of denial.  One would have to assume they do not believe in science, so no argument will make any difference to them on that subject.

    Most of all, I really believe most Trump supporters actually believe they are on some kind of quest to "save America" and "make America stronger again".  And if those sound like empty slogans, that is exactly what they are.  Anyone with the ability to think critically knows that what Trump has done- and hopes to keep doing- is harmful to this country.  They cannot name one thing he has done to make America better in the long run.  I would challenge them to name one so-called accomplishment of his that does not include long-term negative consequences and effects (they will likely choose to ignore the italicized part of those phrases).
    “In all human affairs there are efforts, and there are results, and the strength of the effort is the measure of the result.”
    -James Allen










  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 23,960
    Op you like and respect Trump?

    As a person?

    I'm a lifelong conservative pre-2016 and I've always known Pearl Jam doesn't give two shits about my opinions.  They would be just as happy if I didn't buy their stuff or go to their shows.
    They walk the walk and that includes, I'm sure, being a-ok with losing some fans of their music so that they can fully represent what they believe in.

    Until this clown was voted in I never felt like our country was doomed.  I do now.  The idea that more people don't hate the idea of such a person holding the office of president really makes me think we are screwed.  I was super anti clinton as a philanderer - and Trump has his old buddy Slick Willie beaten by a hundred miles.

    Good for PJ.  Stick to what they believe in.  
    It doesn't matter than Biden is a joke.  I would vote for an an actual dead person before I would ever vote for Trump.  This isn't about how much more I can make under Trump.  This is about being able to be proud to be an American.  I'm ashamed that we gave the world this fool as our leader.


    I will never align myself as a conservative again.  Need to find a new label, if one has to apply.
    People who supported Trump will never be looked at the same again, by me.  This includes some people I have been friends with for 20+ years.  I just cannot respect them as much as I did previously, even though I know many of them are good people and do good things in this world.
    You actually proved me original thesis for me, sadly. So you will throw away friendships of over 20+ year because someone had the audacity to vote differently than you? Maybe, since you know these people, you would take a closer look at them. If they are good people and they voted for someone you loathe, maybe there is something about Trump you are totally reading wrong. Or is it just "orange man bad, go away, do not want to hear it?"
    No I haven't thrown away the friendships.
    However I cannot look at them the same as I did before.  We have spoken about this some, with some of them, and they are voting for their wallets above everything else w/one exception.  The exception is an extreme in everything so it is not surprising that he takes the stance he does.

    An important distinction also is that they all recognize that the guy is a complete joke.  An embarrassing fool who makes things worse almost every time he holds a press conference.

    I don't think Trump is a bad man.  I know he is.  
    This is based on my own personal sense of what is right and what is wrong.  He chooses wrong wayyyy to often to be a good man.
    The way he conducts himself as our nation's leader is of personal embarrassment to me, as an American.

    I know it is funny to make a silly statement such as "orange man bad...." - but my wife worked for one of his companies and has met him a number of times.  We knew what kind of person Trump was years before he got into politics.  Everyone thought he was so funny.  "You're Fired!"
    We knew what he was.  Nothing quite so telling as the way someone treats people who work for them.

    You didn't answer my question....you like and respect Trump?
    As a person?

    What is it that you like about Donald Trump?

    Curious.


    The love he receives is the love that is saved
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