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HughFreakingDillon

hedonist said:

One, I honestly don’t care what the band’s politics are, just as I’m sure they don’t give a shit about mine. I mean, I know where they stand on most issues - collectively, anyway - based on their actions. 

Second, I’m pretty liberal socially, and all for financial responsibility. Not sure there’s a label for that?

Just being me, man

that label is what most of us call "sensible". if only there was a party for the center, the world would be a better place. 

brianlux

I would never blame conservatives for all of our environmental issue, especially global warming.  But the fact remains, conservatives and Republicans have proven themselves in general to be far more lax about supporting environmental protection legislation and far more prone to being climate change deniers than liberals and Democrats are.  There's no arguing this point.  That kind of opposition to environmental protection is why the map in the link below looks like it does.  And anyone thinking, "Oh well, at least it's in that "liberal state", I don't need to worry about it,"  guess again.

https://www.fire.ca.gov/incidents

hedonist

There are a lot of fires in Oregon thought to have been deliberately set from the I-5. 

Idiots, like those gender reveal folks (not cops), are another factor. 

pjhawks

Darth Lizard King said:

The new "Ridin' with Biden" T-shirt made me remember the concert poster Jeff designed, where President Trump was dead outside of the White House. It got me thinking of what the band might possibly think about their conservative/Trump supporting fans, such as me. I have no issue with the band's politics because they always seem genuine and consistent, they put their time and money where their mouths are, and are some of the most generous and philanthropic guys around. I'm not one of those "Shut up and play!" people. I get it. I'm not so delicate that if my favorite band goes on a rant against the President I happen to respect and like, that I am going to cause a scene, challenge the band or its liberal fans, or storm out. On the other hand, do they really want me buying their music and merch, and attending their concerts? I would hope that they would see past the stereotype: I am not white, I am not angry, I do not hate women or immigrants, my family and friends are very diverse, I support animal shelters, and am a big believer in the Anton LaVey tenants of Satanism (in a nutshell, do unto others, etc). On the surface, things probably look pretty liberal. But I am a big believer in law and order, tight borders, strong military and police, 2nd Amendment, and true freedom of speech (not the cancel culture/woke business that is going on now). I would love to discuss world affairs with Ed, or any of you; I just hope the same courtesy would come back my way. Finally, I would never do this, because I don't get into all the MAGA hat nonsense, but what if someone in the front row of a show wore a MAGA hat? Not to antagonize, but because they just wear it every day? Anyhow, thanks for listening. Fan club member since 1993, and with "Gigaton," these guys totally dunked on me just as I thought they were starting to slip. "Clairvoyants" is one of the greatest songs in their catalog. Peace!

Wait you “respect” Trump? 

Tjm007

HughFreakingDillon said:

Tjm007 said:

static111 said:

on2legs said:

static111 said:

on2legs said:

static111 said:

on2legs said:

Tjm007 said:

drfox said:

Ion2legs said:

drfox said:

Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.

If by left wing you mean they care about people and the environment then I think the answer is yes. 

Thanks. I assumed that’s the case. Was just wondering as here in the UK I tend to find most groups of work colleagues, friends etc are a complete mix of left wing Labour supporters and right wing Tory supporters. Aware though that politics in the US are completely different to over here. In UK terms the current US regime would really be extreme right.

Should imagine that like the Uk a lot of PJ fans are too embarrassed to say in public they won’t be voting for the socialist due to peer pressure and will vote differently in the polling booth.

No offense intended but... I just find it funny that people are labeled as “left wing” or socialists because they care about people’s well being and the environment.  

Wait we have a socialist candidate in the US that I don’t know about?

Tjm007 said:

drfox said:

Ion2legs said:

drfox said:

Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.

If by left wing you mean they care about people and the environment then I think the answer is yes. 

Thanks. I assumed that’s the case. Was just wondering as here in the UK I tend to find most groups of work colleagues, friends etc are a complete mix of left wing Labour supporters and right wing Tory supporters. Aware though that politics in the US are completely different to over here. In UK terms the current US regime would really be extreme right.

Should imagine that like the Uk a lot of PJ fans are too embarrassed to say in public they won’t be voting for the socialist due to peer pressure and will vote differently in the polling booth.

🙄

I’m confused on the wording. Not your wording 2legs...like is this guy saying we have a socialist candidate, or is he saying they have a socialist candidate in the U.K. and Biden is like a socialist candidate.  Are the socialists in the room with us now?

He’s calling Biden a socialist.  🤣

Center right = Socialism...learn something new everyday 

Big government , big laws , big spending on stuff , taking from the individual - the government knows best how to spend those dollars.

Sounds like a socialist to me.

Thats before we get onto all the woke bollocks the Dems spout...

dems: take money (tax) to spend on people/programs/infrastructure
repubs: take money (tax) and give to the rich

you prefer the latter? really?

You don’t seem to know how taxes work.

People work - it’s their money - taxes are the government taking it away.

A tax cut is leaving people with their own money.

If taxes must be taken seems like schooling should be a priority- some seem to think public spending comes from Unicorn dung sales.

g under p

hedonist said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I thought the Monster Truck on the Biden shirt was aimed at the "conservative" voter. 

Ha! I will never wear any article of clothing endorsing a politician.

I totally agree. I've never worn ANY political clothing, sticker or pin. I will wear I VOTED pin or sticker but nothing with a politician's name etc.

Btw, Gigaton is one of their best album since Backspacer and that song Dance With The Clairvoyants is a classic for me. I can't till they start touring here or overseas I will there.

Peace

texasistheSTEVEN

I live in the UK so my opinion on these matters is probably moot, but I would love to hear a rational reason why anyone would vote for Trump? Conservative or not.

If it's a case of not wanting Biden to win, I understand that as he isn't a strong candidate, but if we are talking the lesser of two evils then how anyone can pick Trump over Biden blows my mind.

I read a lot and know a lot about world affairs and I am always keen to learn from people who's ideas/politics differ from mine. Thats what makes the world an interesting place, right?

So please, can someone explain why they would vote for Trump? I won't attack you or argue, I just want to understand.

pdalowsky

texasistheSTEVEN said:

I live in the UK so my opinion on these matters is probably moot, but I would love to hear a rational reason why anyone would vote for Trump? Conservative or not.

If it's a case of not wanting Biden to win, I understand that as he isn't a strong candidate, but if we are talking the lesser of two evils then how anyone can pick Trump over Biden blows my mind.

I read a lot and know a lot about world affairs and I am always keen to learn from people who's ideas/politics differ from mine. Thats what makes the world an interesting place, right?

So please, can someone explain why they would vote for Trump? I won't attack you or argue, I just want to understand.

Also from the Uk but watching this shit show from afar with great interest. Im staggered by the amount of people who have told me they dont like Biden but will vote for him just because hes not trump. How on earth can it have come to this?

A country of 500million (ish) coming down to choosing between two deeply unpopular people. Odd times

Gern Blansten

Tjm007 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Tjm007 said:

static111 said:

on2legs said:

static111 said:

on2legs said:

static111 said:

on2legs said:

Tjm007 said:

drfox said:

Ion2legs said:

drfox said:

Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.

If by left wing you mean they care about people and the environment then I think the answer is yes. 

Thanks. I assumed that’s the case. Was just wondering as here in the UK I tend to find most groups of work colleagues, friends etc are a complete mix of left wing Labour supporters and right wing Tory supporters. Aware though that politics in the US are completely different to over here. In UK terms the current US regime would really be extreme right.

Should imagine that like the Uk a lot of PJ fans are too embarrassed to say in public they won’t be voting for the socialist due to peer pressure and will vote differently in the polling booth.

No offense intended but... I just find it funny that people are labeled as “left wing” or socialists because they care about people’s well being and the environment.  

Wait we have a socialist candidate in the US that I don’t know about?

Tjm007 said:

drfox said:

Ion2legs said:

drfox said:

Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.

If by left wing you mean they care about people and the environment then I think the answer is yes. 

Thanks. I assumed that’s the case. Was just wondering as here in the UK I tend to find most groups of work colleagues, friends etc are a complete mix of left wing Labour supporters and right wing Tory supporters. Aware though that politics in the US are completely different to over here. In UK terms the current US regime would really be extreme right.

Should imagine that like the Uk a lot of PJ fans are too embarrassed to say in public they won’t be voting for the socialist due to peer pressure and will vote differently in the polling booth.

🙄

I’m confused on the wording. Not your wording 2legs...like is this guy saying we have a socialist candidate, or is he saying they have a socialist candidate in the U.K. and Biden is like a socialist candidate.  Are the socialists in the room with us now?

He’s calling Biden a socialist.  🤣

Center right = Socialism...learn something new everyday 

Big government , big laws , big spending on stuff , taking from the individual - the government knows best how to spend those dollars.

Sounds like a socialist to me.

Thats before we get onto all the woke bollocks the Dems spout...

dems: take money (tax) to spend on people/programs/infrastructure
repubs: take money (tax) and give to the rich

you prefer the latter? really?

You don’t seem to know how taxes work.

People work - it’s their money - taxes are the government taking it away.

A tax cut is leaving people with their own money.

If taxes must be taken seems like schooling should be a priority- some seem to think public spending comes from Unicorn dung sales.

Yes we all understand how taxes work.  You clearly do not.

Capitalism requires a redistribution of wealth.  Income inequality shows you exactly why the wealthy should be taxed higher.  They would actually benefit more from that then accumulating wealth that they will never be able to use.  

Gern Blansten

texasistheSTEVEN said:

I live in the UK so my opinion on these matters is probably moot, but I would love to hear a rational reason why anyone would vote for Trump? Conservative or not.

If it's a case of not wanting Biden to win, I understand that as he isn't a strong candidate, but if we are talking the lesser of two evils then how anyone can pick Trump over Biden blows my mind.

I read a lot and know a lot about world affairs and I am always keen to learn from people who's ideas/politics differ from mine. Thats what makes the world an interesting place, right?

So please, can someone explain why they would vote for Trump? I won't attack you or argue, I just want to understand.

Our two party system has devolved into simply picking a team.  The GOP created its own news network and its own narratives to convince people (mostly poor and uneducated) to vote for their team.  tRump is their quarterback.  That's all they know....they don't give a shit what his policies are they just know that he's a republican and they are republicans.  Therefore, they will vote for him regardless of what he does.

It's pathetic.

JimmyV

The band has always been open about where they land on the political spectrum, so nothing is new. The fanbase can and should be a big tent. There is room for all kinds of viewpoints.

Parksy

To the OP...  you are exactly who I want to ask this to:  

Why would you vote for Trump?   

I asked this before and haven't heard from a Trump supporter.  To me there are like 50 things that he has done or said that make him the most corrupt and brutal leader in your country's history...  (To that point, if the guys in PJ feel the same way, I think they don't care about disrespecting Trump supporters and can do without your money. IMO) 

But as a supporter... do you not understand why he is the most corrupt and brutal leader? And if there are 50 bad things.. what are the good things? Like what do you honestly see in this guy that makes you want to get up and vote for him? 

Mac57

Bought in 2016. They knew then what we know now.

Gern Blansten

Mac57 said:

Bought in 2016. They knew then what we know now.

great shirt

hedonist

Mac57 said:

Bought in 2016. They knew then what we know now.

This shit’s been happening before PJ were even sperm

josevolution

A vote for the Covidiot is a vote for stupidity,racism, exclusion,! 

F Me In The Brain

pdalowsky said:

texasistheSTEVEN said:

I live in the UK so my opinion on these matters is probably moot, but I would love to hear a rational reason why anyone would vote for Trump? Conservative or not.

If it's a case of not wanting Biden to win, I understand that as he isn't a strong candidate, but if we are talking the lesser of two evils then how anyone can pick Trump over Biden blows my mind.

I read a lot and know a lot about world affairs and I am always keen to learn from people who's ideas/politics differ from mine. Thats what makes the world an interesting place, right?

So please, can someone explain why they would vote for Trump? I won't attack you or argue, I just want to understand.

Also from the Uk but watching this shit show from afar with great interest. Im staggered by the amount of people who have told me they dont like Biden but will vote for him just because hes not trump. How on earth can it have come to this?

A country of 500million (ish) coming down to choosing between two deeply unpopular people. Odd times

Put another on your list ...that is me!  I don't think we should elect anyone who has to serve in their 80s....that is brutal.  I don't like Biden much, but I do think he will want to help our country.
Trump wants to help old, rich, white people.  (And women as long as they will shut up can be considered people.  Otherwise ...just rich white men)
The lower economic class folks who staunchly support Trump don't understand that.  They buy his flag and bible waving stunts.  Also they buy that he is law and order.  He is only doing that for votes and to protect the rich.  He doesn't care about police or military....he considers them chumps instead of heroes.

Bentleyspop

josevolution said:

A vote for the Covidiot is a vote for stupidity,racism, exclusion,! 

josevolution said:

A vote for the Covidiot is a vote for stupidity,racism, exclusion,! 

When you support a racist in any way shape or form, including voting, that makes you a racist  as well.

#TrumpKnew

josevolution

Bentleyspop said:

josevolution said:

A vote for the Covidiot is a vote for stupidity,racism, exclusion,! 

josevolution said:

A vote for the Covidiot is a vote for stupidity,racism, exclusion,! 

When you support a racist in any way shape or form, including voting, that makes you a racist  as well.

#TrumpKnew

Yes he did know and doesn’t give a damn about minorities dying by the thousands! 

PJPOWER

Bentleyspop said:

josevolution said:

A vote for the Covidiot is a vote for stupidity,racism, exclusion,! 

josevolution said:

A vote for the Covidiot is a vote for stupidity,racism, exclusion,! 

When you support a racist in any way shape or form, including voting, that makes you a racist  as well.

#TrumpKnew

So you support Biden?  Must be because “you ain’t black”...Ever go into a 7-11 or donut store without an Indian accent?  Yeah, Biden “ain’t” racist....
I guess you could say he’s not as racist as Trump, but I don’t think he’s in the clear and there’s plenty of questionably racist statements in his past, so you must be racist if you support him in any shape or form...including voting for him...