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I've listened to RFK's long form interviews. he's a fucking quack.
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Great to see the dark money already having an impact this early.Go Beavers said:
RFK jr gets dismissed because while he may say some feel good things, he’s really out of touch and intentionally deceptive. He isn’t quote anti-vaccine, he actually is anti-vaccine. He does couch his language in plausible deniability as part of his manipulation, but when you pick up on this you can be on to his shit.wnh1977 said:
To date, "Ridin' with Biden" has to be one of the most embarrassing things Pearl Jam has ever done. So cringe. I understand not wanting Trump, but Joe Biden? The DNC's hand-picked 80 year old in serious cognitive decline?Ledbetterman10 said:Who on Earth would ever wear this? Even if you love Biden. Or...even if you totally hate Trump. Can you look like a bigger dork wearing a "It's Time to Vote/Ridin' With Biden" shirt on?
I'm actually a lot like you politically. Conservative on some things, liberal on others. I'm not a member of either party because they're both a joke. Voted for Obama in 2008, and then Romney in 2012. Would've preferred to vote republican in 2016...if the nominee wasn't Trump. Like you, I do think the band is sincere with their unabashed liberalism. And regarding your question about a MAGA-hat wearer wearing one at a PJ show not to antagonize, but because they wear it every day. It would be perceived as being antagonistic. It just would. People feel antagonized simply by seeing it in the streets. Hell, I don't have any true hatred for Trump-fans, but even I look at them like "Dude, what are you doing?" when I see one in that hat (just as I would if I saw someone in this PJ/Biden shirt). So yeah, I think it would be viewed as antagonistic at a PJ show.
But to be fair, this one is actually a pretty cool design:
I was young and at the height of my Pearl Jam fandom when they supported Ralph Nader and were completely anti-George Bush... and I was all for them being outspoken and angry and wanting change. Nowadays, I don't want to anger those who vote Republican by bashing Trump. I feel the band used to try to speak up for the little guy (Ticketmaster, Nader, etc.)... now it feels like they're so wealthy and out of touch that they'll be satisfied to make a lame t-shirt for the lesser of two evils in this broken, corrupted process we have.
I with there was a message of trying to bring people back together... I feel like RFK Jr. has said that multiple times, but the DNC is doing everything in their power to suppress him. Have his naysayers actually listened to his long-form interviews? So sharp, a real knowledge of history, a great record on environment... but yet many want to dismiss him as "anti-vaccine" and a "conspiracy theorist".09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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HughFreakingDillon said:I've listened to RFK's long form interviews. he's a fucking quack.
Yeah, I was just going to say, the guy is a nut case. The fact of the matter remains, none of next years potential POTUS candidates are by any means idea, but Biden is still the best option (thus far) and at the very least, the least dangerous of the lot.
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rfk is there only to spoil biden and the democrats' chances. he is funded by gop donors, because the gop has literal dogshit candidates and dogshit platforms to choose from.
when you cannot win an election on messaging and platform, you divide the electorate of your opposition. it is pretty easy to see what rfk is up to here. he is just another clown in the clownshow."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Most of the comments on this thread are from three(!) years ago, but since it has been resurrected today:Yes, Matt follows the Lincoln Project (I see his likes on their posts, too). That doesn't tell anyone anything beyond he supports efforts to keep TFG out of the White House.^^^ That's a pretty big tent, TBH. So, for anyone reading this who is not quite as far left as Mr. Vedder but who, nonetheless, is freaked out by the idea of TFG being re-elected, may I suggest that you make your way to The Bulwark? The Bulwark is, first and foremost, a pro-democracy outlet. The writers/contributors are mostly center-right, although picking up Will Saletan was a big win IMO. At any rate, they range from center-right to center-left, and they offer great writing and podcasts. The Bulwark community is pretty great, too -- overall, a very civil group of people united in their desire to preserve democratic norms despite policy differences.Because, IMNSHO, preserving democratic norms is the only issue in 2024. Other topics are important, yes, but if TFG is re-elected all those policies go out the window.RFK is not a serious candidate. He's a conspiracy nut who only is polling above 1% because of his name.The current GOP is not a conservative party, it is an authoritarian cult.All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.0
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curmudgeoness said:Most of the comments on this thread are from three(!) years ago, but since it has been resurrected today:Yes, Matt follows the Lincoln Project (I see his likes on their posts, too). That doesn't tell anyone anything beyond he supports efforts to keep TFG out of the White House.^^^ That's a pretty big tent, TBH. So, for anyone reading this who is not quite as far left as Mr. Vedder but who, nonetheless, is freaked out by the idea of TFG being re-elected, may I suggest that you make your way to The Bulwark? The Bulwark is, first and foremost, a pro-democracy outlet. The writers/contributors are mostly center-right, although picking up Will Saletan was a big win IMO. At any rate, they range from center-right to center-left, and they offer great writing and podcasts. The Bulwark community is pretty great, too -- overall, a very civil group of people united in their desire to preserve democratic norms despite policy differences.Because, IMNSHO, preserving democratic norms is the only issue in 2024. Other topics are important, yes, but if TFG is re-elected all those policies go out the window.RFK is not a serious candidate. He's a conspiracy nut who only is polling above 1% because of his name.The current GOP is not a conservative party, it is an authoritarian cult.
go on. I'm listening......
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mickeyrat said:curmudgeoness said:Most of the comments on this thread are from three(!) years ago, but since it has been resurrected today:Yes, Matt follows the Lincoln Project (I see his likes on their posts, too). That doesn't tell anyone anything beyond he supports efforts to keep TFG out of the White House.^^^ That's a pretty big tent, TBH. So, for anyone reading this who is not quite as far left as Mr. Vedder but who, nonetheless, is freaked out by the idea of TFG being re-elected, may I suggest that you make your way to The Bulwark? The Bulwark is, first and foremost, a pro-democracy outlet. The writers/contributors are mostly center-right, although picking up Will Saletan was a big win IMO. At any rate, they range from center-right to center-left, and they offer great writing and podcasts. The Bulwark community is pretty great, too -- overall, a very civil group of people united in their desire to preserve democratic norms despite policy differences.Because, IMNSHO, preserving democratic norms is the only issue in 2024. Other topics are important, yes, but if TFG is re-elected all those policies go out the window.RFK is not a serious candidate. He's a conspiracy nut who only is polling above 1% because of his name.The current GOP is not a conservative party, it is an authoritarian cult.
go on. I'm listening......Go check out the Bulwark. Some progressives get annoyed with them over issues like trans rights (which, to be clear, I support; equal protection under the law for everyone, period). They're not a progressive organization, and they don't pretend to be; most of the writers are former GOP operatives (and most have since left the GOP, and all plan to vote for Biden). But I'm a paying subscriber, for two, three reasons:1) I think it's important to challenge my own assumptions rather than dwelling in a social media bubble where we all agree to agree with each other.2) The writing/ podcasts are good!3) Again, they're all about the overriding issue, which is preserving democratic norms/ keeping TFG out of the White House.All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.0 -
I rather enjoy them. Especially on Trump trial Thursdays
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curmudgeoness said:Most of the comments on this thread are from three(!) years ago, but since it has been resurrected today:Yes, Matt follows the Lincoln Project (I see his likes on their posts, too). That doesn't tell anyone anything beyond he supports efforts to keep TFG out of the White House.^^^ That's a pretty big tent, TBH. So, for anyone reading this who is not quite as far left as Mr. Vedder but who, nonetheless, is freaked out by the idea of TFG being re-elected, may I suggest that you make your way to The Bulwark? The Bulwark is, first and foremost, a pro-democracy outlet. The writers/contributors are mostly center-right, although picking up Will Saletan was a big win IMO. At any rate, they range from center-right to center-left, and they offer great writing and podcasts. The Bulwark community is pretty great, too -- overall, a very civil group of people united in their desire to preserve democratic norms despite policy differences.Because, IMNSHO, preserving democratic norms is the only issue in 2024. Other topics are important, yes, but if TFG is re-elected all those policies go out the window.RFK is not a serious candidate. He's a conspiracy nut who only is polling above 1% because of his name.The current GOP is not a conservative party, it is an authoritarian cult.
Gads! Sorry, don't mean to be gruff, but your post is riddled (literally and figuratively) with acronyms. Who is TFG?
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brianlux said:curmudgeoness said:Most of the comments on this thread are from three(!) years ago, but since it has been resurrected today:Yes, Matt follows the Lincoln Project (I see his likes on their posts, too). That doesn't tell anyone anything beyond he supports efforts to keep TFG out of the White House.^^^ That's a pretty big tent, TBH. So, for anyone reading this who is not quite as far left as Mr. Vedder but who, nonetheless, is freaked out by the idea of TFG being re-elected, may I suggest that you make your way to The Bulwark? The Bulwark is, first and foremost, a pro-democracy outlet. The writers/contributors are mostly center-right, although picking up Will Saletan was a big win IMO. At any rate, they range from center-right to center-left, and they offer great writing and podcasts. The Bulwark community is pretty great, too -- overall, a very civil group of people united in their desire to preserve democratic norms despite policy differences.Because, IMNSHO, preserving democratic norms is the only issue in 2024. Other topics are important, yes, but if TFG is re-elected all those policies go out the window.RFK is not a serious candidate. He's a conspiracy nut who only is polling above 1% because of his name.The current GOP is not a conservative party, it is an authoritarian cult.
Gads! Sorry, don't mean to be gruff, but your post is riddled (literally and figuratively) with acronyms. Who is TFG?
that fucking guy
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Or ‘the former guy’.mickeyrat said:brianlux said:curmudgeoness said:Most of the comments on this thread are from three(!) years ago, but since it has been resurrected today:Yes, Matt follows the Lincoln Project (I see his likes on their posts, too). That doesn't tell anyone anything beyond he supports efforts to keep TFG out of the White House.^^^ That's a pretty big tent, TBH. So, for anyone reading this who is not quite as far left as Mr. Vedder but who, nonetheless, is freaked out by the idea of TFG being re-elected, may I suggest that you make your way to The Bulwark? The Bulwark is, first and foremost, a pro-democracy outlet. The writers/contributors are mostly center-right, although picking up Will Saletan was a big win IMO. At any rate, they range from center-right to center-left, and they offer great writing and podcasts. The Bulwark community is pretty great, too -- overall, a very civil group of people united in their desire to preserve democratic norms despite policy differences.Because, IMNSHO, preserving democratic norms is the only issue in 2024. Other topics are important, yes, but if TFG is re-elected all those policies go out the window.RFK is not a serious candidate. He's a conspiracy nut who only is polling above 1% because of his name.The current GOP is not a conservative party, it is an authoritarian cult.
Gads! Sorry, don't mean to be gruff, but your post is riddled (literally and figuratively) with acronyms. Who is TFG?
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brianlux said:curmudgeoness said:Most of the comments on this thread are from three(!) years ago, but since it has been resurrected today:Yes, Matt follows the Lincoln Project (I see his likes on their posts, too). That doesn't tell anyone anything beyond he supports efforts to keep TFG out of the White House.^^^ That's a pretty big tent, TBH. So, for anyone reading this who is not quite as far left as Mr. Vedder but who, nonetheless, is freaked out by the idea of TFG being re-elected, may I suggest that you make your way to The Bulwark? The Bulwark is, first and foremost, a pro-democracy outlet. The writers/contributors are mostly center-right, although picking up Will Saletan was a big win IMO. At any rate, they range from center-right to center-left, and they offer great writing and podcasts. The Bulwark community is pretty great, too -- overall, a very civil group of people united in their desire to preserve democratic norms despite policy differences.Because, IMNSHO, preserving democratic norms is the only issue in 2024. Other topics are important, yes, but if TFG is re-elected all those policies go out the window.RFK is not a serious candidate. He's a conspiracy nut who only is polling above 1% because of his name.The current GOP is not a conservative party, it is an authoritarian cult.
Gads! Sorry, don't mean to be gruff, but your post is riddled (literally and figuratively) with acronyms. Who is TFG?
Sorry, Brian. I don't use his name, ever since he declared that his name alone is worth "billions."
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mickeyrat said:I rather enjoy them. Especially on Trump trial Thursdays
They have ample material for that particular podcast, don't they?
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curmudgeoness said:mickeyrat said:I rather enjoy them. Especially on Trump trial Thursdays
They have ample material for that particular podcast, don't they?could prob add a second for that topic.Jack is a good one. extension of MuellerSheWrote.Which began back when Mueller was doing his thing. Allison Gill who gave up her job when fuckstick and Mulvaney eliminated her job in San Diego and "promoted" her to a position in DC..... co-hosted by Andrew McCabe.really well done analysis of all the goings on..._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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The shirt sucks but if you think Biden is the lesser of two evils when his opponent legitimately tried to end democracy and is vowing to do so again (he is openly telling his supporters he wants to lock up his opponents) then I have to wonder how closely you are paying attention.wnh1977 said:
To date, "Ridin' with Biden" has to be one of the most embarrassing things Pearl Jam has ever done. So cringe. I understand not wanting Trump, but Joe Biden? The DNC's hand-picked 80 year old in serious cognitive decline?Ledbetterman10 said:Who on Earth would ever wear this? Even if you love Biden. Or...even if you totally hate Trump. Can you look like a bigger dork wearing a "It's Time to Vote/Ridin' With Biden" shirt on?
I'm actually a lot like you politically. Conservative on some things, liberal on others. I'm not a member of either party because they're both a joke. Voted for Obama in 2008, and then Romney in 2012. Would've preferred to vote republican in 2016...if the nominee wasn't Trump. Like you, I do think the band is sincere with their unabashed liberalism. And regarding your question about a MAGA-hat wearer wearing one at a PJ show not to antagonize, but because they wear it every day. It would be perceived as being antagonistic. It just would. People feel antagonized simply by seeing it in the streets. Hell, I don't have any true hatred for Trump-fans, but even I look at them like "Dude, what are you doing?" when I see one in that hat (just as I would if I saw someone in this PJ/Biden shirt). So yeah, I think it would be viewed as antagonistic at a PJ show.
But to be fair, this one is actually a pretty cool design:
I was young and at the height of my Pearl Jam fandom when they supported Ralph Nader and were completely anti-George Bush... and I was all for them being outspoken and angry and wanting change. Nowadays, I don't want to anger those who vote Republican by bashing Trump. I feel the band used to try to speak up for the little guy (Ticketmaster, Nader, etc.)... now it feels like they're so wealthy and out of touch that they'll be satisfied to make a lame t-shirt for the lesser of two evils in this broken, corrupted process we have.
I with there was a message of trying to bring people back together... I feel like RFK Jr. has said that multiple times, but the DNC is doing everything in their power to suppress him. Have his naysayers actually listened to his long-form interviews? So sharp, a real knowledge of history, a great record on environment... but yet many want to dismiss him as "anti-vaccine" and a "conspiracy theorist".
Also, who gives a shit if you anger a Trump supporter? Bash away. He deserves to be bashed from here to eternity.
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