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CONSERVATIVE PEARL JAM FANS

Darth Lizard KingDarth Lizard King Posts: 72
edited September 2020 in A Moving Train
The new "Ridin' with Biden" T-shirt made me remember the concert poster Jeff designed, where President Trump was dead outside of the White House. It got me thinking of what the band might possibly think about their conservative/Trump supporting fans, such as me. I have no issue with the band's politics because they always seem genuine and consistent, they put their time and money where their mouths are, and are some of the most generous and philanthropic guys around. I'm not one of those "Shut up and play!" people. I get it. I'm not so delicate that if my favorite band goes on a rant against the President I happen to respect and like, that I am going to cause a scene, challenge the band or its liberal fans, or storm out. On the other hand, do they really want me buying their music and merch, and attending their concerts? I would hope that they would see past the stereotype: I am not white, I am not angry, I do not hate women or immigrants, my family and friends are very diverse, I support animal shelters, and am a big believer in the Anton LaVey tenants of Satanism (in a nutshell, do unto others, etc). On the surface, things probably look pretty liberal. But I am a big believer in law and order, tight borders, strong military and police, 2nd Amendment, and true freedom of speech (not the cancel culture/woke business that is going on now). I would love to discuss world affairs with Ed, or any of you; I just hope the same courtesy would come back my way. Finally, I would never do this, because I don't get into all the MAGA hat nonsense, but what if someone in the front row of a show wore a MAGA hat? Not to antagonize, but because they just wear it every day? Anyhow, thanks for listening. Fan club member since 1993, and with "Gigaton," these guys totally dunked on me just as I thought they were starting to slip. "Clairvoyants" is one of the greatest songs in their catalog. Peace!
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  • static111static111 Posts: 2,535
    Come to a moving train...plenty of pj fans to discuss politics with
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 14,667
    edited September 2020
    Who on Earth would ever wear this? Even if you love Biden. Or...even if you totally hate Trump. Can you look like a bigger dork wearing a "It's Time to Vote/Ridin' With Biden" shirt on? 




    I'm actually a lot like you politically. Conservative on some things, liberal on others. I'm not a member of either party because they're both a joke. Voted for Obama in 2008, and then Romney in 2012. Would've preferred to vote republican in 2016...if the nominee wasn't Trump. Like you, I do think the band is sincere with their unabashed liberalism. And regarding your question about a MAGA-hat wearer wearing one at a PJ show not to antagonize, but because they wear it every day. It would be perceived as being antagonistic. It just would. People feel antagonized simply by seeing it in the streets. Hell, I don't have any true hatred for Trump-fans, but even I look at them like "Dude, what are you doing?" when I see one in that hat (just as I would if I saw someone in this PJ/Biden shirt). So yeah, I think it would be viewed as antagonistic at a PJ show.

    But to be fair, this one is actually a pretty cool design:


    Post edited by Ledbetterman10 on
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  • drfoxdrfox Posts: 283
    Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.
  • drfox said:
    Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.
    I think they are based on Matt and Mike’s instagrams. Not positive on Stone but he’s a big climate-change advocate so I’d say he probably is too. 
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  • on2legson2legs The Jersey ShorePosts: 10,960
    drfox said:
    Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.
    If by left wing you mean they care about people and the environment then I think the answer is yes. 
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  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer MarylandPosts: 15,882
    drfox said:
    Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.
    Matt Cameron "likes" a lot of anti-Trump posts on instagram.  I know this because I like the same posts, lol.


  • Evel KEvel K Posts: 410
    I'd wear this if you put it on a shirt! It confuses me how these people spend their entire life in politics and can't seem to figure out the simplest things. The Democrats spent the last four years trying to get rid of Trump. Now it's election time and the best they can come up with in the entire political party is Joe Biden. Look at the leadership. If this decision isn't questionable I'm thinking it will be in a couple months.
    Things were different then
  • drfoxdrfox Posts: 283
    edited September 2020
    on2legs said:
    drfox said:
    Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.
    If by left wing you mean they care about people and the environment then I think the answer is yes. 
    Thanks. I assumed that’s the case. Was just wondering as here in the UK I tend to find most groups of work colleagues, friends etc are a complete mix of left wing Labour supporters and right wing Tory supporters. Aware though that politics in the US are completely different to over here
    Post edited by drfox on
  • drfox said:
    Ion2legs said:
    drfox said:
    Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.
    If by left wing you mean they care about people and the environment then I think the answer is yes. 
    Thanks. I assumed that’s the case. Was just wondering as here in the UK I tend to find most groups of work colleagues, friends etc are a complete mix of left wing Labour supporters and right wing Tory supporters. Aware though that politics in the US are completely different to over here. In UK terms the current US regime would really be extreme right.
    Should imagine that like the Uk a lot of PJ fans are too embarrassed to say in public they won’t be voting for the socialist due to peer pressure and will vote differently in the polling booth.


  • on2legson2legs The Jersey ShorePosts: 10,960
    Tjm007 said:
    drfox said:
    Ion2legs said:
    drfox said:
    Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.
    If by left wing you mean they care about people and the environment then I think the answer is yes. 
    Thanks. I assumed that’s the case. Was just wondering as here in the UK I tend to find most groups of work colleagues, friends etc are a complete mix of left wing Labour supporters and right wing Tory supporters. Aware though that politics in the US are completely different to over here. In UK terms the current US regime would really be extreme right.
    Should imagine that like the Uk a lot of PJ fans are too embarrassed to say in public they won’t be voting for the socialist due to peer pressure and will vote differently in the polling booth.


    No offense intended but... I just find it funny that people are labeled as “left wing” or socialists because they care about people’s well being and the environment.  
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    2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Newark (EV)  2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4  2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2  2011: Toronto 1
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  • static111static111 Posts: 2,535
    on2legs said:
    Tjm007 said:
    drfox said:
    Ion2legs said:
    drfox said:
    Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.
    If by left wing you mean they care about people and the environment then I think the answer is yes. 
    Thanks. I assumed that’s the case. Was just wondering as here in the UK I tend to find most groups of work colleagues, friends etc are a complete mix of left wing Labour supporters and right wing Tory supporters. Aware though that politics in the US are completely different to over here. In UK terms the current US regime would really be extreme right.
    Should imagine that like the Uk a lot of PJ fans are too embarrassed to say in public they won’t be voting for the socialist due to peer pressure and will vote differently in the polling booth.


    No offense intended but... I just find it funny that people are labeled as “left wing” or socialists because they care about people’s well being and the environment.  
    Wait we have a socialist candidate in the US that I don’t know about?
  • on2legson2legs The Jersey ShorePosts: 10,960
    static111 said:
    on2legs said:
    Tjm007 said:
    drfox said:
    Ion2legs said:
    drfox said:
    Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.
    If by left wing you mean they care about people and the environment then I think the answer is yes. 
    Thanks. I assumed that’s the case. Was just wondering as here in the UK I tend to find most groups of work colleagues, friends etc are a complete mix of left wing Labour supporters and right wing Tory supporters. Aware though that politics in the US are completely different to over here. In UK terms the current US regime would really be extreme right.
    Should imagine that like the Uk a lot of PJ fans are too embarrassed to say in public they won’t be voting for the socialist due to peer pressure and will vote differently in the polling booth.


    No offense intended but... I just find it funny that people are labeled as “left wing” or socialists because they care about people’s well being and the environment.  
    Wait we have a socialist candidate in the US that I don’t know about?
    Tjm007 said:
    drfox said:
    Ion2legs said:
    drfox said:
    Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.
    If by left wing you mean they care about people and the environment then I think the answer is yes. 
    Thanks. I assumed that’s the case. Was just wondering as here in the UK I tend to find most groups of work colleagues, friends etc are a complete mix of left wing Labour supporters and right wing Tory supporters. Aware though that politics in the US are completely different to over here. In UK terms the current US regime would really be extreme right.
    Should imagine that like the Uk a lot of PJ fans are too embarrassed to say in public they won’t be voting for the socialist due to peer pressure and will vote differently in the polling booth.


    🙄
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    2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Newark (EV)  2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4  2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2  2011: Toronto 1
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 23,960
    Op you like and respect Trump?

    As a person?

    I'm a lifelong conservative pre-2016 and I've always known Pearl Jam doesn't give two shits about my opinions.  They would be just as happy if I didn't buy their stuff or go to their shows.
    They walk the walk and that includes, I'm sure, being a-ok with losing some fans of their music so that they can fully represent what they believe in.

    Until this clown was voted in I never felt like our country was doomed.  I do now.  The idea that more people don't hate the idea of such a person holding the office of president really makes me think we are screwed.  I was super anti clinton as a philanderer - and Trump has his old buddy Slick Willie beaten by a hundred miles.

    Good for PJ.  Stick to what they believe in.  
    It doesn't matter than Biden is a joke.  I would vote for an an actual dead person before I would ever vote for Trump.  This isn't about how much more I can make under Trump.  This is about being able to be proud to be an American.  I'm ashamed that we gave the world this fool as our leader.


    I will never align myself as a conservative again.  Need to find a new label, if one has to apply.
    People who supported Trump will never be looked at the same again, by me.  This includes some people I have been friends with for 20+ years.  I just cannot respect them as much as I did previously, even though I know many of them are good people and do good things in this world.
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • static111static111 Posts: 2,535
    edited September 2020
    on2legs said:
    static111 said:
    on2legs said:
    Tjm007 said:
    drfox said:
    Ion2legs said:
    drfox said:
    Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.
    If by left wing you mean they care about people and the environment then I think the answer is yes. 
    Thanks. I assumed that’s the case. Was just wondering as here in the UK I tend to find most groups of work colleagues, friends etc are a complete mix of left wing Labour supporters and right wing Tory supporters. Aware though that politics in the US are completely different to over here. In UK terms the current US regime would really be extreme right.
    Should imagine that like the Uk a lot of PJ fans are too embarrassed to say in public they won’t be voting for the socialist due to peer pressure and will vote differently in the polling booth.


    No offense intended but... I just find it funny that people are labeled as “left wing” or socialists because they care about people’s well being and the environment.  
    Wait we have a socialist candidate in the US that I don’t know about?
    Tjm007 said:
    drfox said:
    Ion2legs said:
    drfox said:
    Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.
    If by left wing you mean they care about people and the environment then I think the answer is yes. 
    Thanks. I assumed that’s the case. Was just wondering as here in the UK I tend to find most groups of work colleagues, friends etc are a complete mix of left wing Labour supporters and right wing Tory supporters. Aware though that politics in the US are completely different to over here. In UK terms the current US regime would really be extreme right.
    Should imagine that like the Uk a lot of PJ fans are too embarrassed to say in public they won’t be voting for the socialist due to peer pressure and will vote differently in the polling booth.


    🙄
    I’m confused on the wording. Not your wording 2legs...like is this guy saying we have a socialist candidate, or is he saying they have a socialist candidate in the U.K. and Biden is like a socialist candidate.  Are the socialists in the room with us now?
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  • Vedd HeddVedd Hedd Posts: 3,641
    Tjm007 said:
    drfox said:
    Ion2legs said:
    drfox said:
    Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.
    If by left wing you mean they care about people and the environment then I think the answer is yes. 
    Thanks. I assumed that’s the case. Was just wondering as here in the UK I tend to find most groups of work colleagues, friends etc are a complete mix of left wing Labour supporters and right wing Tory supporters. Aware though that politics in the US are completely different to over here. In UK terms the current US regime would really be extreme right.
    Should imagine that like the Uk a lot of PJ fans are too embarrassed to say in public they won’t be voting for the socialist due to peer pressure and will vote differently in the polling booth.


    Biden being socialist is laugable.  I am voting for Biden, but he is REALLY fairly centered.  In any other country, Biden is Conservative, and a different party is the Liberal party.  
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  • surforiasurforia SoCalPosts: 326
    To answer the OP's question, I don't think the band would have any problems with Trump supporters attending their shows as long as they weren't obnoxious - and that isn't limited to politics - EV will stop a song in a heartbeat to kick someone out of the pit that is being too reckless.  Also, EV was pretty close with Johnny Ramone, who was a bigtime Republican - I recall hearing an interview where he said he really valued and respected political discussions with him, so I don't see why it would be any different with a fan.
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  • tdawetdawe Posts: 1,303
    I can’t say I’ve fully located whatever question or point the OP was really trying to pose or make, but I do have one question for him. 

    When you say: “ But I am a big believer in... true freedom of speech (not the cancel culture/woke business that is going on now)”, I take that to mean that you are not in favor of people being made to feel that they need to censor themselves for fear of offending their neighbors/coworkers/employers/customers/etc. If that’s so, then how do you square that with the implication earlier in the post that Pearl Jam should cut back on their anti-Trump speech in order to avoid offending you (or, if you prefer, other less magnanimous conservative fans)? If you’re in favor of Pearl Jam changing their message to avoid offending some of their customers, how is that different than, say, companies pulling their ads from Tucker Carlson’s show to avoid offending some of their customers?
  • on2legson2legs The Jersey ShorePosts: 10,960
    static111 said:
    on2legs said:
    static111 said:
    on2legs said:
    Tjm007 said:
    drfox said:
    Ion2legs said:
    drfox said:
    Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.
    If by left wing you mean they care about people and the environment then I think the answer is yes. 
    Thanks. I assumed that’s the case. Was just wondering as here in the UK I tend to find most groups of work colleagues, friends etc are a complete mix of left wing Labour supporters and right wing Tory supporters. Aware though that politics in the US are completely different to over here. In UK terms the current US regime would really be extreme right.
    Should imagine that like the Uk a lot of PJ fans are too embarrassed to say in public they won’t be voting for the socialist due to peer pressure and will vote differently in the polling booth.


    No offense intended but... I just find it funny that people are labeled as “left wing” or socialists because they care about people’s well being and the environment.  
    Wait we have a socialist candidate in the US that I don’t know about?
    Tjm007 said:
    drfox said:
    Ion2legs said:
    drfox said:
    Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.
    If by left wing you mean they care about people and the environment then I think the answer is yes. 
    Thanks. I assumed that’s the case. Was just wondering as here in the UK I tend to find most groups of work colleagues, friends etc are a complete mix of left wing Labour supporters and right wing Tory supporters. Aware though that politics in the US are completely different to over here. In UK terms the current US regime would really be extreme right.
    Should imagine that like the Uk a lot of PJ fans are too embarrassed to say in public they won’t be voting for the socialist due to peer pressure and will vote differently in the polling booth.


    🙄
    I’m confused on the wording. Not your wording 2legs...like is this guy saying we have a socialist candidate, or is he saying they have a socialist candidate in the U.K. and Biden is like a socialist candidate.  Are the socialists in the room with us now?
    He’s calling Biden a socialist.  🤣
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    2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Newark (EV)  2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4  2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2  2011: Toronto 1
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  • static111static111 Posts: 2,535
    on2legs said:
    static111 said:
    on2legs said:
    static111 said:
    on2legs said:
    Tjm007 said:
    drfox said:
    Ion2legs said:
    drfox said:
    Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.
    If by left wing you mean they care about people and the environment then I think the answer is yes. 
    Thanks. I assumed that’s the case. Was just wondering as here in the UK I tend to find most groups of work colleagues, friends etc are a complete mix of left wing Labour supporters and right wing Tory supporters. Aware though that politics in the US are completely different to over here. In UK terms the current US regime would really be extreme right.
    Should imagine that like the Uk a lot of PJ fans are too embarrassed to say in public they won’t be voting for the socialist due to peer pressure and will vote differently in the polling booth.


    No offense intended but... I just find it funny that people are labeled as “left wing” or socialists because they care about people’s well being and the environment.  
    Wait we have a socialist candidate in the US that I don’t know about?
    Tjm007 said:
    drfox said:
    Ion2legs said:
    drfox said:
    Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.
    If by left wing you mean they care about people and the environment then I think the answer is yes. 
    Thanks. I assumed that’s the case. Was just wondering as here in the UK I tend to find most groups of work colleagues, friends etc are a complete mix of left wing Labour supporters and right wing Tory supporters. Aware though that politics in the US are completely different to over here. In UK terms the current US regime would really be extreme right.
    Should imagine that like the Uk a lot of PJ fans are too embarrassed to say in public they won’t be voting for the socialist due to peer pressure and will vote differently in the polling booth.


    🙄
    I’m confused on the wording. Not your wording 2legs...like is this guy saying we have a socialist candidate, or is he saying they have a socialist candidate in the U.K. and Biden is like a socialist candidate.  Are the socialists in the room with us now?
    He’s calling Biden a socialist.  🤣
    Center right = Socialism...learn something new everyday 
  • What does "conservative" even mean in 2020? Is it what it meant during the GW Bush and Obama years? Pretend to care about "fiscal responsibility" and the national debt while spending billions on wars and losing revenue with tax cuts to corporations and millionaires? Oppose women's right to choose what happens their bodies? Believing that Church and State should not be separate? Oppose LGBTQ rights? I'm seriously curious what a conservative means now that Trump has essentially taken over the GoP and made its platform completely irrelevant.  What about conservatism isn't about simply denying rights and access to wealth to others who aren't white, christian and straight?
  • Darth Lizard King said: But I am a big believer in law and order, tight borders, strong military and police, 2nd Amendment, and true freedom of speech (not the cancel culture/woke business that is going on now). 
    A lot to unpack here... what do you mean by "law and order"? The legal system has never been fair nor equally applied in this country. It is a fact that Black and Brown people are more likely to be stopped by police and arrested for the same offenses whites commit but are never arrested for (from driving without a license, driving drunk, to smoking marihuana, etc). Black people are a minority but make up the majority of the prison population. So, law and order for whom? What do you mean by "order"? As the racial justice activism, and the rise of Democratic Socialism have demonstrated there is a significant part of the population that believes that there is injustice and inequality in nearly all the structures of our society (law, economic, housing, employment). Do you deny the existence of structural inequality?. The second amendment, I have no issue with. I do take issue with people being allowed to buy military grade weapons and carry them in public. I assure you though, the moment more of us (Lefists, Latinos and supporters of BLM) start exercising our second amendment rights, conservatives are going to jump on gun regulations faster than you can say "Ronald Reagan". What is "true" vs "false" freedom of speech? Is there really a cancel culture? Seems to like every time a conservative screams "I've been cancelled" they end up getting a ton of coverage and support from the right, meanwhile academics and journalists are routinely fired for criticizing Israeli government policies towards Palestinians. 

  • static111 said:
    on2legs said:
    static111 said:
    on2legs said:
    static111 said:
    on2legs said:
    Tjm007 said:
    drfox said:
    Ion2legs said:
    drfox said:
    Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.
    If by left wing you mean they care about people and the environment then I think the answer is yes. 
    Thanks. I assumed that’s the case. Was just wondering as here in the UK I tend to find most groups of work colleagues, friends etc are a complete mix of left wing Labour supporters and right wing Tory supporters. Aware though that politics in the US are completely different to over here. In UK terms the current US regime would really be extreme right.
    Should imagine that like the Uk a lot of PJ fans are too embarrassed to say in public they won’t be voting for the socialist due to peer pressure and will vote differently in the polling booth.


    No offense intended but... I just find it funny that people are labeled as “left wing” or socialists because they care about people’s well being and the environment.  
    Wait we have a socialist candidate in the US that I don’t know about?
    Tjm007 said:
    drfox said:
    Ion2legs said:
    drfox said:
    Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.
    If by left wing you mean they care about people and the environment then I think the answer is yes. 
    Thanks. I assumed that’s the case. Was just wondering as here in the UK I tend to find most groups of work colleagues, friends etc are a complete mix of left wing Labour supporters and right wing Tory supporters. Aware though that politics in the US are completely different to over here. In UK terms the current US regime would really be extreme right.
    Should imagine that like the Uk a lot of PJ fans are too embarrassed to say in public they won’t be voting for the socialist due to peer pressure and will vote differently in the polling booth.


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    I’m confused on the wording. Not your wording 2legs...like is this guy saying we have a socialist candidate, or is he saying they have a socialist candidate in the U.K. and Biden is like a socialist candidate.  Are the socialists in the room with us now?
    He’s calling Biden a socialist.  🤣
    Center right = Socialism...learn something new everyday 
    Big government , big laws , big spending on stuff , taking from the individual - the government knows best how to spend those dollars.

    Sounds like a socialist to me.

    Thats before we get onto all the woke bollocks the Dems spout...
  • Evel KEvel K Posts: 410
    edited September 2020
    jdasilvaf said:
    What does "conservative" even mean in 2020? Is it what it meant during the GW Bush and Obama years? Pretend to care about "fiscal responsibility" and the national debt while spending billions on wars and losing revenue with tax cuts to corporations and millionaires? Oppose women's right to choose what happens their bodies? Believing that Church and State should not be separate? Oppose LGBTQ rights? I'm seriously curious what a conservative means now that Trump has essentially taken over the GoP and made its platform completely irrelevant.  What about conservatism isn't about simply denying rights and access to wealth to others who aren't white, christian and straight?
    We have officially moved into "A Moving Train"  territory. I will say I liked the Halloween tshirts better when they were about Halloween. 
    Post edited by Evel K on
    Things were different then
  • static111static111 Posts: 2,535
    edited September 2020
    Evel K said:
    jdasilvaf said:
    What does "conservative" even mean in 2020? Is it what it meant during the GW Bush and Obama years? Pretend to care about "fiscal responsibility" and the national debt while spending billions on wars and losing revenue with tax cuts to corporations and millionaires? Oppose women's right to choose what happens their bodies? Believing that Church and State should not be separate? Oppose LGBTQ rights? I'm seriously curious what a conservative means now that Trump has essentially taken over the GoP and made its platform completely irrelevant.  What about conservatism isn't about simply denying rights and access to wealth to others who aren't white, christian and straight?
    We have officially moved into "A Moving Train"  territory. 
    Maybe the mods can move the thread over there.
    Post edited by Kat on
  • lexicondevillexicondevil Bay AreaPosts: 1,207
    Vedd Hedd said:
    Tjm007 said:
    drfox said:
    Ion2legs said:
    drfox said:
    Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.
    If by left wing you mean they care about people and the environment then I think the answer is yes. 
    Thanks. I assumed that’s the case. Was just wondering as here in the UK I tend to find most groups of work colleagues, friends etc are a complete mix of left wing Labour supporters and right wing Tory supporters. Aware though that politics in the US are completely different to over here. In UK terms the current US regime would really be extreme right.
    Should imagine that like the Uk a lot of PJ fans are too embarrassed to say in public they won’t be voting for the socialist due to peer pressure and will vote differently in the polling booth.


    Biden being socialist is laugable.  I am voting for Biden, but he is REALLY fairly centered.  In any other country, Biden is Conservative, and a different party is the Liberal party.  
    Yeah, I didn't know who they were calling "the socialist". What a joke. The MAGA people have nothing else to hold onto, so they will just call Biden a socialist and some of the other stable geniuses will gobble it up.
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  • FlavafrazFlavafraz Pennsylvania Posts: 75
    you ask me, you all crazy to think either one of the two are going to change the issues in this country. They existed before this presidency and they will after. And this blame game back and forth is part of why these issues don’t get resolved instead of us coming together as one country 
  • I support Pearl Jam’s conviction to using their platform to support causes and and candidates they believe in. It’s their right and they take their responsibility seriously. We don’t always have to agree on the same candidates or the same policies. 

    That said - here is a powerful message from a woman of color running for Congress. A message worthy of consideration this election season:

    https://youtu.be/2UmpsWnJYxQ
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 8,291
    on2legs said:
    Tjm007 said:
    drfox said:
    Ion2legs said:
    drfox said:
    Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.
    If by left wing you mean they care about people and the environment then I think the answer is yes. 
    Thanks. I assumed that’s the case. Was just wondering as here in the UK I tend to find most groups of work colleagues, friends etc are a complete mix of left wing Labour supporters and right wing Tory supporters. Aware though that politics in the US are completely different to over here. In UK terms the current US regime would really be extreme right.
    Should imagine that like the Uk a lot of PJ fans are too embarrassed to say in public they won’t be voting for the socialist due to peer pressure and will vote differently in the polling booth.


    No offense intended but... I just find it funny that people are labeled as “left wing” or socialists because they care about people’s well being and the environment.  
    The democrats do not care about people all that much.  The ultimate way to show you care is by universal health care...the dems have had opportunities to move forward...of course the insurance industry would not contribute to your shit show 2 party system.
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 8,740
    Antifa and MS-13 and SOCIALISTS OH MY!!!

    So much fear
    Very very sad

    #TrumpKnew

  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 18,693
    on2legs said:
    Tjm007 said:
    drfox said:
    Ion2legs said:
    drfox said:
    Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.
    If by left wing you mean they care about people and the environment then I think the answer is yes. 
    Thanks. I assumed that’s the case. Was just wondering as here in the UK I tend to find most groups of work colleagues, friends etc are a complete mix of left wing Labour supporters and right wing Tory supporters. Aware though that politics in the US are completely different to over here. In UK terms the current US regime would really be extreme right.
    Should imagine that like the Uk a lot of PJ fans are too embarrassed to say in public they won’t be voting for the socialist due to peer pressure and will vote differently in the polling booth.


    No offense intended but... I just find it funny that people are labeled as “left wing” or socialists because they care about people’s well being and the environment.  
    The democrats do not care about people all that much.  The ultimate way to show you care is by universal health care...the dems have had opportunities to move forward...of course the insurance industry would not contribute to your shit show 2 party system.
    let's see. there is this whole big thing called the republican party that has consistently and unanimously stood in the way of universal healthcare. the ACA is the best plan that the dems could have passed. it is far from perfect, but it is better than what we had before.

    had clinton won and with democrats taking the house, the dems would have worked to strengthen the ACA until they eventually won enough of a majority in the house and the senate to try pass universal healthcare. with the situation as it is now, universal healthcare is DOA in the senate.
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