CONSERVATIVE PEARL JAM FANS

jdasilvaf

Darth Lizard King said: But I am a big believer in law and order, tight borders, strong military and police, 2nd Amendment, and true freedom of speech (not the cancel culture/woke business that is going on now). 

A lot to unpack here... what do you mean by "law and order"? The legal system has never been fair nor equally applied in this country. It is a fact that Black and Brown people are more likely to be stopped by police and arrested for the same offenses whites commit but are never arrested for (from driving without a license, driving drunk, to smoking marihuana, etc). Black people are a minority but make up the majority of the prison population. So, law and order for whom? What do you mean by "order"? As the racial justice activism, and the rise of Democratic Socialism have demonstrated there is a significant part of the population that believes that there is injustice and inequality in nearly all the structures of our society (law, economic, housing, employment). Do you deny the existence of structural inequality?. The second amendment, I have no issue with. I do take issue with people being allowed to buy military grade weapons and carry them in public. I assure you though, the moment more of us (Lefists, Latinos and supporters of BLM) start exercising our second amendment rights, conservatives are going to jump on gun regulations faster than you can say "Ronald Reagan". What is "true" vs "false" freedom of speech? Is there really a cancel culture? Seems to like every time a conservative screams "I've been cancelled" they end up getting a ton of coverage and support from the right, meanwhile academics and journalists are routinely fired for criticizing Israeli government policies towards Palestinians. 

Tjm007

static111 said:

on2legs said:

static111 said:

on2legs said:

static111 said:

on2legs said:

Tjm007 said:

drfox said:

Ion2legs said:

drfox said:

Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.

If by left wing you mean they care about people and the environment then I think the answer is yes. 

Thanks. I assumed that’s the case. Was just wondering as here in the UK I tend to find most groups of work colleagues, friends etc are a complete mix of left wing Labour supporters and right wing Tory supporters. Aware though that politics in the US are completely different to over here. In UK terms the current US regime would really be extreme right.

Should imagine that like the Uk a lot of PJ fans are too embarrassed to say in public they won’t be voting for the socialist due to peer pressure and will vote differently in the polling booth.

No offense intended but... I just find it funny that people are labeled as “left wing” or socialists because they care about people’s well being and the environment.  

Wait we have a socialist candidate in the US that I don’t know about?

Tjm007 said:

drfox said:

Ion2legs said:

drfox said:

Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.

If by left wing you mean they care about people and the environment then I think the answer is yes. 

Thanks. I assumed that’s the case. Was just wondering as here in the UK I tend to find most groups of work colleagues, friends etc are a complete mix of left wing Labour supporters and right wing Tory supporters. Aware though that politics in the US are completely different to over here. In UK terms the current US regime would really be extreme right.

Should imagine that like the Uk a lot of PJ fans are too embarrassed to say in public they won’t be voting for the socialist due to peer pressure and will vote differently in the polling booth.

🙄

I’m confused on the wording. Not your wording 2legs...like is this guy saying we have a socialist candidate, or is he saying they have a socialist candidate in the U.K. and Biden is like a socialist candidate.  Are the socialists in the room with us now?

He’s calling Biden a socialist.  🤣

Center right = Socialism...learn something new everyday 

Big government , big laws , big spending on stuff , taking from the individual - the government knows best how to spend those dollars.

Sounds like a socialist to me.

Thats before we get onto all the woke bollocks the Dems spout...

Evel K

jdasilvaf said:

What does "conservative" even mean in 2020? Is it what it meant during the GW Bush and Obama years? Pretend to care about "fiscal responsibility" and the national debt while spending billions on wars and losing revenue with tax cuts to corporations and millionaires? Oppose women's right to choose what happens their bodies? Believing that Church and State should not be separate? Oppose LGBTQ rights? I'm seriously curious what a conservative means now that Trump has essentially taken over the GoP and made its platform completely irrelevant.  What about conservatism isn't about simply denying rights and access to wealth to others who aren't white, christian and straight?

We have officially moved into "A Moving Train"  territory. I will say I liked the Halloween tshirts better when they were about Halloween. 

static111

Evel K said:

jdasilvaf said:

What does "conservative" even mean in 2020? Is it what it meant during the GW Bush and Obama years? Pretend to care about "fiscal responsibility" and the national debt while spending billions on wars and losing revenue with tax cuts to corporations and millionaires? Oppose women's right to choose what happens their bodies? Believing that Church and State should not be separate? Oppose LGBTQ rights? I'm seriously curious what a conservative means now that Trump has essentially taken over the GoP and made its platform completely irrelevant.  What about conservatism isn't about simply denying rights and access to wealth to others who aren't white, christian and straight?

We have officially moved into "A Moving Train"  territory. 

Maybe the mods can move the thread over there.

lexicondevil

Vedd Hedd said:

Tjm007 said:

drfox said:

Ion2legs said:

drfox said:

Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.

If by left wing you mean they care about people and the environment then I think the answer is yes. 

Thanks. I assumed that’s the case. Was just wondering as here in the UK I tend to find most groups of work colleagues, friends etc are a complete mix of left wing Labour supporters and right wing Tory supporters. Aware though that politics in the US are completely different to over here. In UK terms the current US regime would really be extreme right.

Should imagine that like the Uk a lot of PJ fans are too embarrassed to say in public they won’t be voting for the socialist due to peer pressure and will vote differently in the polling booth.

Biden being socialist is laugable.  I am voting for Biden, but he is REALLY fairly centered.  In any other country, Biden is Conservative, and a different party is the Liberal party.  

Yeah, I didn't know who they were calling "the socialist". What a joke. The MAGA people have nothing else to hold onto, so they will just call Biden a socialist and some of the other stable geniuses will gobble it up.

Flavafraz

you ask me, you all crazy to think either one of the two are going to change the issues in this country. They existed before this presidency and they will after. And this blame game back and forth is part of why these issues don’t get resolved instead of us coming together as one country 

mcdevittpb

I support Pearl Jam’s conviction to using their platform to support causes and and candidates they believe in. It’s their right and they take their responsibility seriously. We don’t always have to agree on the same candidates or the same policies. 

That said - here is a powerful message from a woman of color running for Congress. A message worthy of consideration this election season:

https://youtu.be/2UmpsWnJYxQ

Meltdown99

on2legs said:

Tjm007 said:

drfox said:

Ion2legs said:

drfox said:

Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.

If by left wing you mean they care about people and the environment then I think the answer is yes. 

Thanks. I assumed that’s the case. Was just wondering as here in the UK I tend to find most groups of work colleagues, friends etc are a complete mix of left wing Labour supporters and right wing Tory supporters. Aware though that politics in the US are completely different to over here. In UK terms the current US regime would really be extreme right.

Should imagine that like the Uk a lot of PJ fans are too embarrassed to say in public they won’t be voting for the socialist due to peer pressure and will vote differently in the polling booth.

No offense intended but... I just find it funny that people are labeled as “left wing” or socialists because they care about people’s well being and the environment.  

The democrats do not care about people all that much.  The ultimate way to show you care is by universal health care...the dems have had opportunities to move forward...of course the insurance industry would not contribute to your shit show 2 party system.

Bentleyspop

Antifa and MS-13 and SOCIALISTS OH MY!!!

So much fear
Very very sad

#TrumpKnew

gimmesometruth27

Meltdown99 said:

on2legs said:

Tjm007 said:

drfox said:

Ion2legs said:

drfox said:

Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.

If by left wing you mean they care about people and the environment then I think the answer is yes. 

Thanks. I assumed that’s the case. Was just wondering as here in the UK I tend to find most groups of work colleagues, friends etc are a complete mix of left wing Labour supporters and right wing Tory supporters. Aware though that politics in the US are completely different to over here. In UK terms the current US regime would really be extreme right.

Should imagine that like the Uk a lot of PJ fans are too embarrassed to say in public they won’t be voting for the socialist due to peer pressure and will vote differently in the polling booth.

No offense intended but... I just find it funny that people are labeled as “left wing” or socialists because they care about people’s well being and the environment.  

The democrats do not care about people all that much.  The ultimate way to show you care is by universal health care...the dems have had opportunities to move forward...of course the insurance industry would not contribute to your shit show 2 party system.

let's see. there is this whole big thing called the republican party that has consistently and unanimously stood in the way of universal healthcare. the ACA is the best plan that the dems could have passed. it is far from perfect, but it is better than what we had before.

had clinton won and with democrats taking the house, the dems would have worked to strengthen the ACA until they eventually won enough of a majority in the house and the senate to try pass universal healthcare. with the situation as it is now, universal healthcare is DOA in the senate.

brianlux

You might say I am very conservative.  I believe in conserving water- especially in arid states, wildlife, natural resources, open space, and most of all, what little common sense and sanity remains in the good old U.S.A. 

Trump and many (perhaps most?) of his supporters on the other hand are very liberal with wasting and denigrating all of the above.

g under p

Ledbetterman10 said:

Who on Earth would ever wear this? Even if you love Biden. Or...even if you totally hate Trump. Can you look like a bigger dork wearing a "It's Time to Vote/Ridin' With Biden" shirt on? 




I'm actually a lot like you politically. Conservative on some things, liberal on others. I'm not a member of either party because they're both a joke. Voted for Obama in 2008, and then Romney in 2012. Would've preferred to vote republican in 2016...if the nominee wasn't Trump. Like you, I do think the band is sincere with their unabashed liberalism. And regarding your question about a MAGA-hat wearer wearing one at a PJ show not to antagonize, but because they wear it every day. It would be perceived as being antagonistic. It just would. People feel antagonized simply by seeing it in the streets. Hell, I don't have any true hatred for Trump-fans, but even I look at them like "Dude, what are you doing?" when I see one in that hat (just as I would if I saw someone in this PJ/Biden shirt). So yeah, I think it would be viewed as antagonistic at a PJ show.

But to be fair, this one is actually a pretty cool design:

That Riden with Biden has one thing most political shirts don't have and that is there's a design on both sides. I wouldn't wear it but that comes off like a concert style tshirt.

Peace

brianlux

OH, AND EXCUSE ME FOR NOT USING ALL CAPS TO MAKE MYSELF HEARD!!!

hedonist

One, I honestly don’t care what the band’s politics are, just as I’m sure they don’t give a shit about mine. I mean, I know where they stand on most issues - collectively, anyway - based on their actions. 

Second, I’m pretty liberal socially, and all for financial responsibility. Not sure there’s a label for that?

Just being me, man

F Me In The Brain

I thought the Monster Truck on the Biden shirt was aimed at the "conservative" voter. 

hedonist

F Me In The Brain said:

I thought the Monster Truck on the Biden shirt was aimed at the "conservative" voter. 

Ha! I will never wear any article of clothing endorsing a politician.

deadendp

hedonist said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I thought the Monster Truck on the Biden shirt was aimed at the "conservative" voter. 

Ha! I will never wear any article of clothing endorsing a politician.

I love my Pete family shirt.  Still wear it.  Pete someday . . . Until then, Biden, please! 

brianlux

hedonist said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I thought the Monster Truck on the Biden shirt was aimed at the "conservative" voter. 

Ha! I will never wear any article of clothing endorsing a politician.

deadendp said:

hedonist said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I thought the Monster Truck on the Biden shirt was aimed at the "conservative" voter. 

Ha! I will never wear any article of clothing endorsing a politician.

I love my Pete family shirt.  Still wear it.  Pete someday . . . Until then, Biden, please! 

The closest I've come to wearing political apparel is my Andrew Yank MATH. pin.  But that stands for Make America Think Harder and the hardly seems political to me.  Just plain old sensible. 

HughFreakingDillon

Tjm007 said:

static111 said:

on2legs said:

static111 said:

on2legs said:

static111 said:

on2legs said:

Tjm007 said:

drfox said:

Ion2legs said:

drfox said:

Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.

If by left wing you mean they care about people and the environment then I think the answer is yes. 

Thanks. I assumed that’s the case. Was just wondering as here in the UK I tend to find most groups of work colleagues, friends etc are a complete mix of left wing Labour supporters and right wing Tory supporters. Aware though that politics in the US are completely different to over here. In UK terms the current US regime would really be extreme right.

Should imagine that like the Uk a lot of PJ fans are too embarrassed to say in public they won’t be voting for the socialist due to peer pressure and will vote differently in the polling booth.

No offense intended but... I just find it funny that people are labeled as “left wing” or socialists because they care about people’s well being and the environment.  

Wait we have a socialist candidate in the US that I don’t know about?

Tjm007 said:

drfox said:

Ion2legs said:

drfox said:

Anyone know whether all the band share the same political views? Aware that Jeff (in particular) and Eddie are left wing in their views but not sure about the rest of the band. They tend to keep quiet.

If by left wing you mean they care about people and the environment then I think the answer is yes. 

Thanks. I assumed that’s the case. Was just wondering as here in the UK I tend to find most groups of work colleagues, friends etc are a complete mix of left wing Labour supporters and right wing Tory supporters. Aware though that politics in the US are completely different to over here. In UK terms the current US regime would really be extreme right.

Should imagine that like the Uk a lot of PJ fans are too embarrassed to say in public they won’t be voting for the socialist due to peer pressure and will vote differently in the polling booth.

🙄

I’m confused on the wording. Not your wording 2legs...like is this guy saying we have a socialist candidate, or is he saying they have a socialist candidate in the U.K. and Biden is like a socialist candidate.  Are the socialists in the room with us now?

He’s calling Biden a socialist.  🤣

Center right = Socialism...learn something new everyday 

Big government , big laws , big spending on stuff , taking from the individual - the government knows best how to spend those dollars.

Sounds like a socialist to me.

Thats before we get onto all the woke bollocks the Dems spout...

dems: take money (tax) to spend on people/programs/infrastructure
repubs: take money (tax) and give to the rich

you prefer the latter? really?

HughFreakingDillon

jdasilvaf said:

Darth Lizard King said: But I am a big believer in law and order, tight borders, strong military and police, 2nd Amendment, and true freedom of speech (not the cancel culture/woke business that is going on now). 

A lot to unpack here... what do you mean by "law and order"? The legal system has never been fair nor equally applied in this country. It is a fact that Black and Brown people are more likely to be stopped by police and arrested for the same offenses whites commit but are never arrested for (from driving without a license, driving drunk, to smoking marihuana, etc). Black people are a minority but make up the majority of the prison population. So, law and order for whom? What do you mean by "order"? As the racial justice activism, and the rise of Democratic Socialism have demonstrated there is a significant part of the population that believes that there is injustice and inequality in nearly all the structures of our society (law, economic, housing, employment). Do you deny the existence of structural inequality?. The second amendment, I have no issue with. I do take issue with people being allowed to buy military grade weapons and carry them in public. I assure you though, the moment more of us (Lefists, Latinos and supporters of BLM) start exercising our second amendment rights, conservatives are going to jump on gun regulations faster than you can say "Ronald Reagan". What is "true" vs "false" freedom of speech? Is there really a cancel culture? Seems to like every time a conservative screams "I've been cancelled" they end up getting a ton of coverage and support from the right, meanwhile academics and journalists are routinely fired for criticizing Israeli government policies towards Palestinians. 

all of those things you quoted that he said.....boil down to one thing: all the things that benefit the status quo of white people ruling.