Riots/Looting/Violence and general post-George Floyd madness

Ledbetterman10

brianlux said:

WARNING:  The follow three minute video shows acts of peace and positivity some may find offensive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF9qi-FTTz4

So I was being divisive by starting this thread, and here you are trolling with that ridiculous “warning.” And I thought you said you were “outta here.”  Like I said earlier, you’re being the same way you were with CHOP. Let’s only talk about the peacefulness of these protests, and let’s gloss over the rest because the rest is ian uncomfortable reality, and it reflects poorly on the overall movement. 

I’ll consider your feelings and won’t post a compilation of buildings burning, people getting the living shit beat out of them in the streets, and the livestream of David Dorn bleeding out and dying live on Facebook. You might find that offensive. 

jimjam1982

 Ledbetterman10 said:

But the movement has been hijacked by rioters, many of whom are far-left white liberals.  

Great thread.  To put a phrase on it it is called controlled opposition. If you aren't familiar with it, you should look into it.  These riots/looting/acts of violence were not done because of George Floyd.  They were paid for and sponsored as a form of government opposition.  No single individual or group of individuals is capable of hijacking a just movement.  It took an entire sect of the government that is trying to promote fascim/socialism/dictatorship (not so shocking is it is the extreme left wing).

Ledbetterman10

jimjam1982 said:

 Ledbetterman10 said:

But the movement has been hijacked by rioters, many of whom are far-left white liberals.  

Great thread.  To put a phrase on it it is called controlled opposition. If you aren't familiar with it, you should look into it.  These riots/looting/acts of violence were not done because of George Floyd.  They were paid for and sponsored as a form of government opposition.  No single individual or group of individuals is capable of hijacking a just movement.  It took an entire sect of the government that is trying to promote fascim/socialism/dictatorship (not so shocking is it is the extreme left wing).

Yeah the Floyd killing was just a catalyst for this to explode big-time. Once rioters set the Minneapolis precinct on fire the night of the killing, it was a perfect time begin pushing this agenda to the masses.  

FiveBelow

Halifax2TheMax said:

JW269453 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JW269453 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Funny how none of this shit occurred during 8 years of Obama.

Squeaky clean, he sure had those police in line didn't he? Here are just a few names you might recall.

Oscar Grant

Trayvon Martin

Michael Brown

Freddie Gray

One could argue that the "peaceful protest" was popularized during the Obama administration. Weird though since everyone was so much safer back then. Take a step back and you will see both sides. Or you can continue to practice partyism, the biggest civil issue this country faces that nobody wants to talk about.

The Obama DOJ held police departments accountable for their actions. Obama was sympathetic to the injustices that were committed. I didn't say POC didn't die at the hands of police during the Obama Administration. I just don't remember him being so callous to the issue and the populace rising up to riot/loot. I'm sorry that offends you. "Partyism?" How about racism? Institutionalized racism? Worth talking about? "Peaceful protest," stay home and STFU, stay in your place, how dare you step out of place. Is that what you meant?

So much accountability it continued to happen? I'm sure those families forgot about everything as soon as sympathy was given. No you said "none of this shit occurred". Ferguson or Baltimore ring a bell? Not offended at all, those retorts lost their effect on me when I was still a child. Everybody is talking about racism and institutionalized racism, heard about partyism? "Peaceful protest" as in the mentality that these are peaceful protests and the destruction associated with them is normal so deal with it. I hope I answered all of your points, maybe you could learn from this type of response.

And maybe you could learn from these types of responses:

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2014/11/24/president-obama-delivers-statement-ferguson-grand-jurys-decision

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/us/politics/events-in-baltimore-reflect-a-slow-rolling-crisis-across-us-obama-says.html

As opposed to this:

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/500076-trump-blasts-minneapolis-mayor-over-protests-threatens-military

"When the looting starts, the shooting starts." Said by one of the most racists presidents ever.

Can you see the differences in the approaches? Last time I checked, Ferguson and Baltimore didn't continue for 60+ days and counting. And yet here we are. Do you deny that Obama's DOJ held the Ferguson Police Department or Baltimore's accountable? Do you deny that both departments haven't implemented reforms? Guess which DOJ has jettisoned police reforms? I'll help you out:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/the-trump-administration-abandoned-obama-era-police-reform-efforts-now-critics-want-them-restored/2020/06/01/4615bc1c-a413-11ea-b473-04905b1af82b_story.html

Per your original post, "Funny how none of this shit occurred during 8 years of Obama". I simply point out that it did and now to save face you are trying to compare the responses of the two administrations? I am glad that the response was so superb that it made you forget the events that did in fact occur. Could partyism have anything to do with this? Maybe It's time I pick a side so I too can be oblivious when the side I picked is in power.

brianlux

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

WARNING:  The follow three minute video shows acts of peace and positivity some may find offensive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF9qi-FTTz4

So I was being divisive by starting this thread, and here you are trolling with that ridiculous “warning.” And I thought you said you were “outta here.”  Like I said earlier, you’re being the same way you were with CHOP. Let’s only talk about the peacefulness of these protests, and let’s gloss over the rest because the rest is ian uncomfortable reality, and it reflects poorly on the overall movement. 

I’ll consider your feelings and won’t post a compilation of buildings burning, people getting the living shit beat out of them in the streets, and the livestream of David Dorn bleeding out and dying live on Facebook. You might find that offensive. 

When I walked away from posting that I though, "OK, that was shitty."  So I went back and changed it.  Sorry that wasn't good enough for you. 

Now will you please stop making this about me.  You made it about me when you started attacking me on what I said in another thread.    I didn't make this about you.  If we make this about you and me, we will get banned.  If not making this about you and me doesn't work for you, we do have the option of the ignore button which, if I'm not mistaken, makes us invisible to each other.  That's not my first choice, but not my last either.

Halifax2TheMax

JW269453 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JW269453 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JW269453 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Funny how none of this shit occurred during 8 years of Obama.

Squeaky clean, he sure had those police in line didn't he? Here are just a few names you might recall.

Oscar Grant

Trayvon Martin

Michael Brown

Freddie Gray

One could argue that the "peaceful protest" was popularized during the Obama administration. Weird though since everyone was so much safer back then. Take a step back and you will see both sides. Or you can continue to practice partyism, the biggest civil issue this country faces that nobody wants to talk about.

The Obama DOJ held police departments accountable for their actions. Obama was sympathetic to the injustices that were committed. I didn't say POC didn't die at the hands of police during the Obama Administration. I just don't remember him being so callous to the issue and the populace rising up to riot/loot. I'm sorry that offends you. "Partyism?" How about racism? Institutionalized racism? Worth talking about? "Peaceful protest," stay home and STFU, stay in your place, how dare you step out of place. Is that what you meant?

So much accountability it continued to happen? I'm sure those families forgot about everything as soon as sympathy was given. No you said "none of this shit occurred". Ferguson or Baltimore ring a bell? Not offended at all, those retorts lost their effect on me when I was still a child. Everybody is talking about racism and institutionalized racism, heard about partyism? "Peaceful protest" as in the mentality that these are peaceful protests and the destruction associated with them is normal so deal with it. I hope I answered all of your points, maybe you could learn from this type of response.

And maybe you could learn from these types of responses:

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2014/11/24/president-obama-delivers-statement-ferguson-grand-jurys-decision

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/us/politics/events-in-baltimore-reflect-a-slow-rolling-crisis-across-us-obama-says.html

As opposed to this:

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/500076-trump-blasts-minneapolis-mayor-over-protests-threatens-military

"When the looting starts, the shooting starts." Said by one of the most racists presidents ever.

Can you see the differences in the approaches? Last time I checked, Ferguson and Baltimore didn't continue for 60+ days and counting. And yet here we are. Do you deny that Obama's DOJ held the Ferguson Police Department or Baltimore's accountable? Do you deny that both departments haven't implemented reforms? Guess which DOJ has jettisoned police reforms? I'll help you out:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/the-trump-administration-abandoned-obama-era-police-reform-efforts-now-critics-want-them-restored/2020/06/01/4615bc1c-a413-11ea-b473-04905b1af82b_story.html

Per your original post, "Funny how none of this shit occurred during 8 years of Obama". I simply point out that it did and now to save face you are trying to compare the responses of the two administrations? I am glad that the response was so superb that it made you forget the events that did in fact occur. Could partyism have anything to do with this? Maybe It's time I pick a side so I too can be oblivious when the side I picked is in power.

The two are not the same. As much as you would like them to be. Protests are continuing in Portland and continue to flare up around the country. Obama condemned the violence, understandable as it happened, but also offered solutions, empathy and worked to bring communities of color and the police together to make a difference, as well as directed his DOJ to oversee reforms. All of that potential progress went out the window in 2016. Too bad your Partyism makes you blind to such facts.

Did a CHOP Zone materialize during the Obama Administration? I guess my left bubble kept me from knowing that?

FiveBelow

Halifax2TheMax said:

JW269453 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JW269453 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JW269453 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Funny how none of this shit occurred during 8 years of Obama.

Squeaky clean, he sure had those police in line didn't he? Here are just a few names you might recall.

Oscar Grant

Trayvon Martin

Michael Brown

Freddie Gray

One could argue that the "peaceful protest" was popularized during the Obama administration. Weird though since everyone was so much safer back then. Take a step back and you will see both sides. Or you can continue to practice partyism, the biggest civil issue this country faces that nobody wants to talk about.

The Obama DOJ held police departments accountable for their actions. Obama was sympathetic to the injustices that were committed. I didn't say POC didn't die at the hands of police during the Obama Administration. I just don't remember him being so callous to the issue and the populace rising up to riot/loot. I'm sorry that offends you. "Partyism?" How about racism? Institutionalized racism? Worth talking about? "Peaceful protest," stay home and STFU, stay in your place, how dare you step out of place. Is that what you meant?

So much accountability it continued to happen? I'm sure those families forgot about everything as soon as sympathy was given. No you said "none of this shit occurred". Ferguson or Baltimore ring a bell? Not offended at all, those retorts lost their effect on me when I was still a child. Everybody is talking about racism and institutionalized racism, heard about partyism? "Peaceful protest" as in the mentality that these are peaceful protests and the destruction associated with them is normal so deal with it. I hope I answered all of your points, maybe you could learn from this type of response.

And maybe you could learn from these types of responses:

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2014/11/24/president-obama-delivers-statement-ferguson-grand-jurys-decision

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/us/politics/events-in-baltimore-reflect-a-slow-rolling-crisis-across-us-obama-says.html

As opposed to this:

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/500076-trump-blasts-minneapolis-mayor-over-protests-threatens-military

"When the looting starts, the shooting starts." Said by one of the most racists presidents ever.

Can you see the differences in the approaches? Last time I checked, Ferguson and Baltimore didn't continue for 60+ days and counting. And yet here we are. Do you deny that Obama's DOJ held the Ferguson Police Department or Baltimore's accountable? Do you deny that both departments haven't implemented reforms? Guess which DOJ has jettisoned police reforms? I'll help you out:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/the-trump-administration-abandoned-obama-era-police-reform-efforts-now-critics-want-them-restored/2020/06/01/4615bc1c-a413-11ea-b473-04905b1af82b_story.html

Per your original post, "Funny how none of this shit occurred during 8 years of Obama". I simply point out that it did and now to save face you are trying to compare the responses of the two administrations? I am glad that the response was so superb that it made you forget the events that did in fact occur. Could partyism have anything to do with this? Maybe It's time I pick a side so I too can be oblivious when the side I picked is in power.

The two are not the same. As much as you would like them to be. Protests are continuing in Portland and continue to flare up around the country. Obama condemned the violence, understandable as it happened, but also offered solutions, empathy and worked to bring communities of color and the police together to make a difference, as well as directed his DOJ to oversee reforms. All of that potential progress went out the window in 2016. Too bad your Partyism makes you blind to such facts.

Did a CHOP Zone materialize during the Obama Administration? I guess my left bubble kept me from knowing that?

Make of it whatever you want, it is pretty clear you are just backtracking your original comment. One cannot practice partyism when they are partyless.

Halifax2TheMax

JW269453 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JW269453 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JW269453 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JW269453 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Funny how none of this shit occurred during 8 years of Obama.

Squeaky clean, he sure had those police in line didn't he? Here are just a few names you might recall.

Oscar Grant

Trayvon Martin

Michael Brown

Freddie Gray

One could argue that the "peaceful protest" was popularized during the Obama administration. Weird though since everyone was so much safer back then. Take a step back and you will see both sides. Or you can continue to practice partyism, the biggest civil issue this country faces that nobody wants to talk about.

The Obama DOJ held police departments accountable for their actions. Obama was sympathetic to the injustices that were committed. I didn't say POC didn't die at the hands of police during the Obama Administration. I just don't remember him being so callous to the issue and the populace rising up to riot/loot. I'm sorry that offends you. "Partyism?" How about racism? Institutionalized racism? Worth talking about? "Peaceful protest," stay home and STFU, stay in your place, how dare you step out of place. Is that what you meant?

So much accountability it continued to happen? I'm sure those families forgot about everything as soon as sympathy was given. No you said "none of this shit occurred". Ferguson or Baltimore ring a bell? Not offended at all, those retorts lost their effect on me when I was still a child. Everybody is talking about racism and institutionalized racism, heard about partyism? "Peaceful protest" as in the mentality that these are peaceful protests and the destruction associated with them is normal so deal with it. I hope I answered all of your points, maybe you could learn from this type of response.

And maybe you could learn from these types of responses:

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2014/11/24/president-obama-delivers-statement-ferguson-grand-jurys-decision

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/us/politics/events-in-baltimore-reflect-a-slow-rolling-crisis-across-us-obama-says.html

As opposed to this:

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/500076-trump-blasts-minneapolis-mayor-over-protests-threatens-military

"When the looting starts, the shooting starts." Said by one of the most racists presidents ever.

Can you see the differences in the approaches? Last time I checked, Ferguson and Baltimore didn't continue for 60+ days and counting. And yet here we are. Do you deny that Obama's DOJ held the Ferguson Police Department or Baltimore's accountable? Do you deny that both departments haven't implemented reforms? Guess which DOJ has jettisoned police reforms? I'll help you out:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/the-trump-administration-abandoned-obama-era-police-reform-efforts-now-critics-want-them-restored/2020/06/01/4615bc1c-a413-11ea-b473-04905b1af82b_story.html

Per your original post, "Funny how none of this shit occurred during 8 years of Obama". I simply point out that it did and now to save face you are trying to compare the responses of the two administrations? I am glad that the response was so superb that it made you forget the events that did in fact occur. Could partyism have anything to do with this? Maybe It's time I pick a side so I too can be oblivious when the side I picked is in power.

The two are not the same. As much as you would like them to be. Protests are continuing in Portland and continue to flare up around the country. Obama condemned the violence, understandable as it happened, but also offered solutions, empathy and worked to bring communities of color and the police together to make a difference, as well as directed his DOJ to oversee reforms. All of that potential progress went out the window in 2016. Too bad your Partyism makes you blind to such facts.

Did a CHOP Zone materialize during the Obama Administration? I guess my left bubble kept me from knowing that?

Make of it whatever you want, it is pretty clear you are just backtracking your original comment. One cannot practice partyism when they are partyless.

Sitting this one out or voting Team Trump Treason? And the old “I don’t belong to a party” trope but I sure do like to complain. Is that about right? Hey, it’s ‘Murica, you be you.

Ledbetterman10

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said: t

brianlux said:

WARNING:  The follow three minute video shows acts of peace and positivity some may find offensive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF9qi-FTTz4

So I was being divisive by starting this thread, and here you are trolling with that ridiculous “warning.” And I thought you said you were “outta here.”  Like I said earlier, you’re being the same way you were with CHOP. Let’s only talk about the peacefulness of these protests, and let’s gloss over the rest because the rest is ian uncomfortable reality, and it reflects poorly on the overall movement. 

I’ll consider your feelings and won’t post a compilation of buildings burning, people getting the living shit beat out of them in the streets, and the livestream of David Dorn bleeding out and dying live on Facebook. You might find that offensive. 

When I walked away from posting that I though, "OK, that was shitty."  So I went back and changed it.  Sorry that wasn't good enough for you. 

Now will you please stop making this about me.  You made it about me when you started attacking me on what I said in another thread.    I didn't make this about you.  If we make this about you and me, we will get banned.  If not making this about you and me doesn't work for you, we do have the option of the ignore button which, if I'm not mistaken, makes us invisible to each other.  That's not my first choice, but not my last either.

Wasn’t “attacking you” by bringing up that other thread. But it’s the same thing. That thread was a negative spin on CHOP. You didn’t like it and so after trying to defend CHOP in that thread, you started a new thread trying to talk about the positives about CHOP. Here, you called this thread biased, as if there hasn’t been looting and riots for months. And you were snarky about it too (“just asking”) so I was snarky back (“just answering”). And you were snarky here again with your “warning.” I’m not against peacefulness. But there’s not all that much to discuss regarding those demonstrations. I think the stuff going down in Portland, Seattle, Chicago, and other major cities is worth discussing. So if you’re going to get defensive at the mention of riots and looting, or if the thread title offends you, then by all means put me on ignore. Or like I said before, start a counter-thread like you did with CHOP and post people peacefully protesting. But believe me, it’s nothing personal. Or wasn’t intended to be personal anyway. 

brianlux

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said: t

brianlux said:

WARNING:  The follow three minute video shows acts of peace and positivity some may find offensive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF9qi-FTTz4

So I was being divisive by starting this thread, and here you are trolling with that ridiculous “warning.” And I thought you said you were “outta here.”  Like I said earlier, you’re being the same way you were with CHOP. Let’s only talk about the peacefulness of these protests, and let’s gloss over the rest because the rest is ian uncomfortable reality, and it reflects poorly on the overall movement. 

I’ll consider your feelings and won’t post a compilation of buildings burning, people getting the living shit beat out of them in the streets, and the livestream of David Dorn bleeding out and dying live on Facebook. You might find that offensive. 

When I walked away from posting that I though, "OK, that was shitty."  So I went back and changed it.  Sorry that wasn't good enough for you. 

Now will you please stop making this about me.  You made it about me when you started attacking me on what I said in another thread.    I didn't make this about you.  If we make this about you and me, we will get banned.  If not making this about you and me doesn't work for you, we do have the option of the ignore button which, if I'm not mistaken, makes us invisible to each other.  That's not my first choice, but not my last either.

Wasn’t “attacking you” by bringing up that other thread. But it’s the same thing. That thread was a negative spin on CHOP. You didn’t like it and so after trying to defend CHOP in that thread, you started a new thread trying to talk about the positives about CHOP. Here, you called this thread biased, as if there hasn’t been looting and riots for months. And you were snarky about it too (“just asking”) so I was snarky back (“just answering”). And you were snarky here again with your “warning.” I’m not against peacefulness. But there’s not all that much to discuss regarding those demonstrations. I think the stuff going down in Portland, Seattle, Chicago, and other major cities is worth discussing. So if you’re going to get defensive at the mention of riots and looting, or if the thread title offends you, then by all means put me on ignore. Or like I said before, start a counter-thread like you did with CHOP and post people peacefully protesting. But believe me, it’s nothing personal. Or wasn’t intended to be personal anyway. 

Oh for fucks sake.  You just want to argue.  I'm done.  Goodbye.

what dreams

Ledbetterman10 said:

what dreams said:

Somebody has too much time on his hands. How many hours a day do you spend on Twitter? 

Took less than five minutes to find that stuff on twitter. Searches like "Elderly woman paint" and "Chicago riots." 

My next question is why would you want to?
I opted out of angry memes and video clips and cable news two months ago. My quality of life has improved exponentially. I had no idea there was an elderly paint lady in existence until you identified her here. My life doesn't change by knowing or not knowing about her. I'm working on improving the connections I have with the people in my actual life. Try it. It's liberating.

Ledbetterman10

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said: t

brianlux said:

WARNING:  The follow three minute video shows acts of peace and positivity some may find offensive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF9qi-FTTz4

So I was being divisive by starting this thread, and here you are trolling with that ridiculous “warning.” And I thought you said you were “outta here.”  Like I said earlier, you’re being the same way you were with CHOP. Let’s only talk about the peacefulness of these protests, and let’s gloss over the rest because the rest is ian uncomfortable reality, and it reflects poorly on the overall movement. 

I’ll consider your feelings and won’t post a compilation of buildings burning, people getting the living shit beat out of them in the streets, and the livestream of David Dorn bleeding out and dying live on Facebook. You might find that offensive. 

When I walked away from posting that I though, "OK, that was shitty."  So I went back and changed it.  Sorry that wasn't good enough for you. 

Now will you please stop making this about me.  You made it about me when you started attacking me on what I said in another thread.    I didn't make this about you.  If we make this about you and me, we will get banned.  If not making this about you and me doesn't work for you, we do have the option of the ignore button which, if I'm not mistaken, makes us invisible to each other.  That's not my first choice, but not my last either.

Wasn’t “attacking you” by bringing up that other thread. But it’s the same thing. That thread was a negative spin on CHOP. You didn’t like it and so after trying to defend CHOP in that thread, you started a new thread trying to talk about the positives about CHOP. Here, you called this thread biased, as if there hasn’t been looting and riots for months. And you were snarky about it too (“just asking”) so I was snarky back (“just answering”). And you were snarky here again with your “warning.” I’m not against peacefulness. But there’s not all that much to discuss regarding those demonstrations. I think the stuff going down in Portland, Seattle, Chicago, and other major cities is worth discussing. So if you’re going to get defensive at the mention of riots and looting, or if the thread title offends you, then by all means put me on ignore. Or like I said before, start a counter-thread like you did with CHOP and post people peacefully protesting. But believe me, it’s nothing personal. Or wasn’t intended to be personal anyway. 

Oh for fucks sake.  You just want to argue.  I'm done.  Goodbye.

He’s outta here! Again! 

Ledbetterman10

what dreams said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

what dreams said:

Somebody has too much time on his hands. How many hours a day do you spend on Twitter? 

Took less than five minutes to find that stuff on twitter. Searches like "Elderly woman paint" and "Chicago riots." 

My next question is why would you want to?
I opted out of angry memes and video clips and cable news two months ago. My quality of life has improved exponentially. I had no idea there was an elderly paint lady in existence until you identified her here. My life doesn't change by knowing or not knowing about her. I'm working on improving the connections I have with the people in my actual life. Try it. It's liberating.

The connections with the people in my life are fine. So fine that I can post BLM protesters intimidating an elderly woman while at work without affecting those connections. Sorry your connections need improving. Good luck with that. 

FiveBelow

Halifax2TheMax said:

JW269453 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JW269453 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JW269453 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JW269453 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Funny how none of this shit occurred during 8 years of Obama.

Squeaky clean, he sure had those police in line didn't he? Here are just a few names you might recall.

Oscar Grant

Trayvon Martin

Michael Brown

Freddie Gray

One could argue that the "peaceful protest" was popularized during the Obama administration. Weird though since everyone was so much safer back then. Take a step back and you will see both sides. Or you can continue to practice partyism, the biggest civil issue this country faces that nobody wants to talk about.

The Obama DOJ held police departments accountable for their actions. Obama was sympathetic to the injustices that were committed. I didn't say POC didn't die at the hands of police during the Obama Administration. I just don't remember him being so callous to the issue and the populace rising up to riot/loot. I'm sorry that offends you. "Partyism?" How about racism? Institutionalized racism? Worth talking about? "Peaceful protest," stay home and STFU, stay in your place, how dare you step out of place. Is that what you meant?

So much accountability it continued to happen? I'm sure those families forgot about everything as soon as sympathy was given. No you said "none of this shit occurred". Ferguson or Baltimore ring a bell? Not offended at all, those retorts lost their effect on me when I was still a child. Everybody is talking about racism and institutionalized racism, heard about partyism? "Peaceful protest" as in the mentality that these are peaceful protests and the destruction associated with them is normal so deal with it. I hope I answered all of your points, maybe you could learn from this type of response.

And maybe you could learn from these types of responses:

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2014/11/24/president-obama-delivers-statement-ferguson-grand-jurys-decision

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/us/politics/events-in-baltimore-reflect-a-slow-rolling-crisis-across-us-obama-says.html

As opposed to this:

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/500076-trump-blasts-minneapolis-mayor-over-protests-threatens-military

"When the looting starts, the shooting starts." Said by one of the most racists presidents ever.

Can you see the differences in the approaches? Last time I checked, Ferguson and Baltimore didn't continue for 60+ days and counting. And yet here we are. Do you deny that Obama's DOJ held the Ferguson Police Department or Baltimore's accountable? Do you deny that both departments haven't implemented reforms? Guess which DOJ has jettisoned police reforms? I'll help you out:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/the-trump-administration-abandoned-obama-era-police-reform-efforts-now-critics-want-them-restored/2020/06/01/4615bc1c-a413-11ea-b473-04905b1af82b_story.html

Per your original post, "Funny how none of this shit occurred during 8 years of Obama". I simply point out that it did and now to save face you are trying to compare the responses of the two administrations? I am glad that the response was so superb that it made you forget the events that did in fact occur. Could partyism have anything to do with this? Maybe It's time I pick a side so I too can be oblivious when the side I picked is in power.

The two are not the same. As much as you would like them to be. Protests are continuing in Portland and continue to flare up around the country. Obama condemned the violence, understandable as it happened, but also offered solutions, empathy and worked to bring communities of color and the police together to make a difference, as well as directed his DOJ to oversee reforms. All of that potential progress went out the window in 2016. Too bad your Partyism makes you blind to such facts.

Did a CHOP Zone materialize during the Obama Administration? I guess my left bubble kept me from knowing that?

Make of it whatever you want, it is pretty clear you are just backtracking your original comment. One cannot practice partyism when they are partyless.

Sitting this one out or voting Team Trump Treason? And the old “I don’t belong to a party” trope but I sure do like to complain. Is that about right? Hey, it’s ‘Murica, you be you.

Yeah you know me, always complaining.

what dreams

Ledbetterman10 said:

what dreams said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

what dreams said:

Somebody has too much time on his hands. How many hours a day do you spend on Twitter? 

Took less than five minutes to find that stuff on twitter. Searches like "Elderly woman paint" and "Chicago riots." 

My next question is why would you want to?
I opted out of angry memes and video clips and cable news two months ago. My quality of life has improved exponentially. I had no idea there was an elderly paint lady in existence until you identified her here. My life doesn't change by knowing or not knowing about her. I'm working on improving the connections I have with the people in my actual life. Try it. It's liberating.

The connections with the people in my life are fine. So fine that I can post BLM protesters intimidating an elderly woman while at work without affecting those connections. Sorry your connections need improving. Good luck with that. 

Well, I believe relationships can always be better, no matter how good they are. I don't really need your luck, but thanks anyway. I'm just suggesting that sitting on the Internet all day (while at work? Your boss pays you to post videos? Wow, what a gig) can make people really angry and bitter. Tuning out for awhile, you know like the old days when we weren't bombarded by negativity all day long, can reduce stress and lead to a healthier perspective. I look around my neighborhood from my window -- nobody is looting, marching, beating up old ladies. Kids (of color) are playing in the playground. People (of color) are walking their dogs. There's a guy  (of non-color) waxing his car. I'm inside watching Wheel of Fortune. The world really isn't on fire, as much as the Silicon Valley technocrats want us all to believe that it is. But just keep on clicking. You are making about five people really, really, really rich with your devotion to the cause.

Halifax2TheMax

jimjam1982 said:

 Ledbetterman10 said:

But the movement has been hijacked by rioters, many of whom are far-left white liberals.  

Great thread.  To put a phrase on it it is called controlled opposition. If you aren't familiar with it, you should look into it.  These riots/looting/acts of violence were not done because of George Floyd.  They were paid for and sponsored as a form of government opposition.  No single individual or group of individuals is capable of hijacking a just movement.  It took an entire sect of the government that is trying to promote fascim/socialism/dictatorship (not so shocking is it is the extreme left wing).

The new narrative. Burst my left bubble when those ANTIFA indictments are announced, will you? Please and thank you.

brianlux

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

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brianlux said:

WARNING:  The follow three minute video shows acts of peace and positivity some may find offensive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF9qi-FTTz4

So I was being divisive by starting this thread, and here you are trolling with that ridiculous “warning.” And I thought you said you were “outta here.”  Like I said earlier, you’re being the same way you were with CHOP. Let’s only talk about the peacefulness of these protests, and let’s gloss over the rest because the rest is ian uncomfortable reality, and it reflects poorly on the overall movement. 

I’ll consider your feelings and won’t post a compilation of buildings burning, people getting the living shit beat out of them in the streets, and the livestream of David Dorn bleeding out and dying live on Facebook. You might find that offensive. 

When I walked away from posting that I though, "OK, that was shitty."  So I went back and changed it.  Sorry that wasn't good enough for you. 

Now will you please stop making this about me.  You made it about me when you started attacking me on what I said in another thread.    I didn't make this about you.  If we make this about you and me, we will get banned.  If not making this about you and me doesn't work for you, we do have the option of the ignore button which, if I'm not mistaken, makes us invisible to each other.  That's not my first choice, but not my last either.

Wasn’t “attacking you” by bringing up that other thread. But it’s the same thing. That thread was a negative spin on CHOP. You didn’t like it and so after trying to defend CHOP in that thread, you started a new thread trying to talk about the positives about CHOP. Here, you called this thread biased, as if there hasn’t been looting and riots for months. And you were snarky about it too (“just asking”) so I was snarky back (“just answering”). And you were snarky here again with your “warning.” I’m not against peacefulness. But there’s not all that much to discuss regarding those demonstrations. I think the stuff going down in Portland, Seattle, Chicago, and other major cities is worth discussing. So if you’re going to get defensive at the mention of riots and looting, or if the thread title offends you, then by all means put me on ignore. Or like I said before, start a counter-thread like you did with CHOP and post people peacefully protesting. But believe me, it’s nothing personal. Or wasn’t intended to be personal anyway. 

Oh for fucks sake.  You just want to argue.  I'm done.  Goodbye.

He’s outta here! Again! 

Goin' out in style. 

Ledbetterman10

what dreams said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

what dreams said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

what dreams said:

Somebody has too much time on his hands. How many hours a day do you spend on Twitter? 

Took less than five minutes to find that stuff on twitter. Searches like "Elderly woman paint" and "Chicago riots." 

My next question is why would you want to?
I opted out of angry memes and video clips and cable news two months ago. My quality of life has improved exponentially. I had no idea there was an elderly paint lady in existence until you identified her here. My life doesn't change by knowing or not knowing about her. I'm working on improving the connections I have with the people in my actual life. Try it. It's liberating.

The connections with the people in my life are fine. So fine that I can post BLM protesters intimidating an elderly woman while at work without affecting those connections. Sorry your connections need improving. Good luck with that. 

Well, I believe relationships can always be better, no matter how good they are. I don't really need your luck, but thanks anyway. I'm just suggesting that sitting on the Internet all day (while at work? Your boss pays you to post videos? Wow, what a gig) can make people really angry and bitter. Tuning out for awhile, you know like the old days when we weren't bombarded by negativity all day long, can reduce stress and lead to a healthier perspective. I look around my neighborhood from my window -- nobody is looting, marching, beating up old ladies. Kids (of color) are playing in the playground. People (of color) are walking their dogs. There's a guy  (of non-color) waxing his car. I'm inside watching Wheel of Fortune. The world really isn't on fire, as much as the Silicon Valley technocrats want us all to believe that it is. But just keep on clicking. You are making about five people really, really, really rich with your devotion to the cause.

Slow day at work. I think most people here who are posting during the day are doing it while at work. 

Pretty selfish to say that when you look out your window, things are peachy. It’s not like that for everybody. Others here think Donald Trump is terrible (he is) and post constant articles and social media posts about him (despite his terribleness having no affect on their day-to-day lives). So why do you have an issue with me posting this sort of stuff? I think this stuff is terrible. Businesses burned to the ground, people killed/injured, a good cause (equality) hijacked by bad actors. These aren’t narratives created by tech companies. They’re real. That’s fine if you don’t care about any of it because things are fine in your neighborhood. But then walk on by. Don’t be like “somebody has too much time on their hands” or “I’m working on connections in my life. Try it. It’s liberating.” Can you sound more like a pompous asshole? Get the fuck over yourself. 

what dreams

Ledbetterman10 said:

what dreams said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

what dreams said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

what dreams said:

Somebody has too much time on his hands. How many hours a day do you spend on Twitter? 

Took less than five minutes to find that stuff on twitter. Searches like "Elderly woman paint" and "Chicago riots." 

My next question is why would you want to?
I opted out of angry memes and video clips and cable news two months ago. My quality of life has improved exponentially. I had no idea there was an elderly paint lady in existence until you identified her here. My life doesn't change by knowing or not knowing about her. I'm working on improving the connections I have with the people in my actual life. Try it. It's liberating.

The connections with the people in my life are fine. So fine that I can post BLM protesters intimidating an elderly woman while at work without affecting those connections. Sorry your connections need improving. Good luck with that. 

Well, I believe relationships can always be better, no matter how good they are. I don't really need your luck, but thanks anyway. I'm just suggesting that sitting on the Internet all day (while at work? Your boss pays you to post videos? Wow, what a gig) can make people really angry and bitter. Tuning out for awhile, you know like the old days when we weren't bombarded by negativity all day long, can reduce stress and lead to a healthier perspective. I look around my neighborhood from my window -- nobody is looting, marching, beating up old ladies. Kids (of color) are playing in the playground. People (of color) are walking their dogs. There's a guy  (of non-color) waxing his car. I'm inside watching Wheel of Fortune. The world really isn't on fire, as much as the Silicon Valley technocrats want us all to believe that it is. But just keep on clicking. You are making about five people really, really, really rich with your devotion to the cause.

Slow day at work. I think most people here who are posting during the day are doing it while at work. 

Pretty selfish to say that when you look out your window, things are peachy. It’s not like that for everybody. Others here think Donald Trump is terrible (he is) and post constant articles and social media posts about him (despite his terribleness having no affect on their day-to-day lives). So why do you have an issue with me posting this sort of stuff? I think this stuff is terrible. Businesses burned to the ground, people killed/injured, a good cause (equality) hijacked by bad actors. These aren’t narratives created by tech companies. They’re real. That’s fine if you don’t care about any of it because things are fine in your neighborhood. But then walk on by. Don’t be like “somebody has too much time on their hands” or “I’m working on connections in my life. Try it. It’s liberating.” Can you sound more like a pompous asshole? Get the fuck over yourself. 

Why are you so surprised that people are pushing back on this thread? As you said so yourself in the opening, there is already a thread on BLM, Police Brutality, Trump, Biden . . . and then you go on a tear through Twitter finding every video you could find in five minutes to prove the obvious point that there are some creeps burning and looting some shit in Chicago. Like nobody isn't already aware of that. 

I never said I didn't like the fact that there is strife and division in the world. I haven't singled you out with a pompous piece of advice. I've been telling everyone I know, sometimes here, often in real life -- get the fuck off social media. According to the headline I most recently saw about Chicago, the whole current spate of violence is because some asshole spread misinformation on Facebook to millions of people. Every single time someone spreads the video or the meme, it just inflames the situation. It's a fucking cesspool. Why do you or anyone want to be a part of that? How is it helpful to keep replaying the same violent images over and over again? It's not. At all.

static111

jimjam1982 said:

 Ledbetterman10 said:

But the movement has been hijacked by rioters, many of whom are far-left white liberals.  

Great thread.  To put a phrase on it it is called controlled opposition. If you aren't familiar with it, you should look into it.  These riots/looting/acts of violence were not done because of George Floyd.  They were paid for and sponsored as a form of government opposition.  No single individual or group of individuals is capable of hijacking a just movement.  It took an entire sect of the government that is trying to promote fascim/socialism/dictatorship (not so shocking is it is the extreme left wing).

What sect of the government is promoting the acts of violence and looting?  Who is paying for it and who is getting paid?  Asking cause I could use a check! This is a just movement and it hasn't been hijacked. The media and especially the Right wing media has been taking a few small disturbances and blowing them out of proportion as if this is what all of the protests are about.  People are still out in the street because a few people would rather focus on some minimal property damage than the real issue of a system built on several genocides that has disenfranchised Black people from the start.  Are you surprised that it has grown beyond just Black lives and into a broader sense about a better future for all? In what way is that facism.  Toward the end MLK was trying to organize poor people of all races for a reason, the guy brought up his own socialism in several writings and speeches.  A better future for Black lives is a better future for us all. let me guess you believe in Q and that JFK JR is still alive?