Riots/Looting/Violence and general post-George Floyd madness

Halifax2TheMax

Ledbetterman10 said:

Here we go, hijacking the thread because you don't like the subject matter. The Bundy fiasco happened in 2016 (pre-George Floyd), and there's already a thread about it that you've posted in many times. But nobody's posted in it since 2018. 

https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/231721/cliven-bundy/p1

"Hijacking the thread because I don't like the subject matter?" Weak sauce. The looting of federal land by the Bundy's continues to this day. Why no outrage? You pay taxes, right? Boogaloo's don't count for "rioting & looting?" I mean they kill cops, why no outrage? Just asking from my left bubble. 

Ledbetterman10

Halifax2TheMax said:

But you know, BLM.

OAKLAND — 

When sheriff’s deputies searched a white van on June 6 in a wooded hamlet in Santa Cruz County, they found ammunition, firearms, bomb-making equipment — and a ballistic vest with a curious patch.

The patch contained an igloo and Hawaiian-style print, markings associated with a growing, extremist, anti-government movement aimed at fomenting unrest and civil war.

On Tuesday, federal law enforcement officials announced that they were charging Air Force Sgt. Steven Carrillo, 32, the alleged owner of that vest, and suspected accomplice Robert A. Justus Jr., 30, of Millbrae in the May 29 shooting death of a federal security officer in Oakland.

Officials said Carrillo, who also faces state charges in the June 6 killing of a Santa Cruz sheriff’s deputy, was a follower of the “boogaloo” movement, which a federal complaint said is not a fixed group but includes people who identify themselves as militia and target perceived government tyranny.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-16/suspects-charged-killing-santa-cruz-cop-and-oakland-federal-officer

This one, on the other hand, makes sense to post here. 

Ledbetterman10

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Here we go, hijacking the thread because you don't like the subject matter. The Bundy fiasco happened in 2016 (pre-George Floyd), and there's already a thread about it that you've posted in many times. But nobody's posted in it since 2018. 

https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/231721/cliven-bundy/p1

"Hijacking the thread because I don't like the subject matter?" Weak sauce. The looting of federal land by the Bundy's continues to this day. Why no outrage? You pay taxes, right? Boogaloo's don't count for "rioting & looting?" I mean they kill cops, why no outrage? Just asking from my left bubble. 

Because you know my intention in this thread was to move the Floyd-related riots away from the BLM thread, Police Abuse thread, etc. (as I said to you in the Police Abuse thread). So those threads don't have to be filled with riots and the like. Even if the Bundys are still looting federal land, that isn't something that sprung up from the Floyd killing. 80 or so days of riots in Portland is the type of thing that was given life following the Floyd killing. If Boogaloos were shooting people at a BLM rally, that would be quite different. I'd say yeah, that's some post-Floyd killing madness right there. 

Edit: So you bumped the Bundy thread and said "Bump, white looting continues to this day." I know everything comes down to race with people like you, but nobody is implying that it's just black people looting and rioting during these Floyd riots. On the contrary, there's a lot of white people doing it (especially in Portland) and ruining it for black people who actually are peacefully protesting. When it's all said and done, it'll be "libtardaplorables" like yourself (as you call yourself in your signature) that will have ruined this opportunity for black people. 

FiveBelow

Halifax2TheMax said:

JW269453 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Funny how none of this shit occurred during 8 years of Obama.

Squeaky clean, he sure had those police in line didn't he? Here are just a few names you might recall.

Oscar Grant

Trayvon Martin

Michael Brown

Freddie Gray

One could argue that the "peaceful protest" was popularized during the Obama administration. Weird though since everyone was so much safer back then. Take a step back and you will see both sides. Or you can continue to practice partyism, the biggest civil issue this country faces that nobody wants to talk about.

The Obama DOJ held police departments accountable for their actions. Obama was sympathetic to the injustices that were committed. I didn't say POC didn't die at the hands of police during the Obama Administration. I just don't remember him being so callous to the issue and the populace rising up to riot/loot. I'm sorry that offends you. "Partyism?" How about racism? Institutionalized racism? Worth talking about? "Peaceful protest," stay home and STFU, stay in your place, how dare you step out of place. Is that what you meant?

So much accountability it continued to happen? I'm sure those families forgot about everything as soon as sympathy was given. No you said "none of this shit occurred". Ferguson or Baltimore ring a bell? Not offended at all, those retorts lost their effect on me when I was still a child. Everybody is talking about racism and institutionalized racism, heard about partyism? "Peaceful protest" as in the mentality that these are peaceful protests and the destruction associated with them is normal so deal with it. I hope I answered all of your points, maybe you could learn from this type of response.

PJPOWER

JW269453 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JW269453 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Funny how none of this shit occurred during 8 years of Obama.

Squeaky clean, he sure had those police in line didn't he? Here are just a few names you might recall.

Oscar Grant

Trayvon Martin

Michael Brown

Freddie Gray

One could argue that the "peaceful protest" was popularized during the Obama administration. Weird though since everyone was so much safer back then. Take a step back and you will see both sides. Or you can continue to practice partyism, the biggest civil issue this country faces that nobody wants to talk about.

The Obama DOJ held police departments accountable for their actions. Obama was sympathetic to the injustices that were committed. I didn't say POC didn't die at the hands of police during the Obama Administration. I just don't remember him being so callous to the issue and the populace rising up to riot/loot. I'm sorry that offends you. "Partyism?" How about racism? Institutionalized racism? Worth talking about? "Peaceful protest," stay home and STFU, stay in your place, how dare you step out of place. Is that what you meant?

So much accountability it continued to happen? I'm sure those families forgot about everything as soon as sympathy was given. No you said "none of this shit occurred". Ferguson or Baltimore ring a bell? Not offended at all, those retorts lost their effect on me when I was still a child. Everybody is talking about racism and institutionalized racism, heard about partyism? "Peaceful protest" as in the mentality that these are peaceful protests and the destruction associated with them is normal so deal with it. I hope I answered all of your points, maybe you could learn from this type of response.

Let’s not forget Dallas, TX, which spawned the “Blue Lives Matter” movement.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers
Stupid to say this stuff wasn’t happening during the Obama years.

Ledbetterman10

PJPOWER said:

JW269453 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JW269453 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Funny how none of this shit occurred during 8 years of Obama.

Squeaky clean, he sure had those police in line didn't he? Here are just a few names you might recall.

Oscar Grant

Trayvon Martin

Michael Brown

Freddie Gray

One could argue that the "peaceful protest" was popularized during the Obama administration. Weird though since everyone was so much safer back then. Take a step back and you will see both sides. Or you can continue to practice partyism, the biggest civil issue this country faces that nobody wants to talk about.

The Obama DOJ held police departments accountable for their actions. Obama was sympathetic to the injustices that were committed. I didn't say POC didn't die at the hands of police during the Obama Administration. I just don't remember him being so callous to the issue and the populace rising up to riot/loot. I'm sorry that offends you. "Partyism?" How about racism? Institutionalized racism? Worth talking about? "Peaceful protest," stay home and STFU, stay in your place, how dare you step out of place. Is that what you meant?

So much accountability it continued to happen? I'm sure those families forgot about everything as soon as sympathy was given. No you said "none of this shit occurred". Ferguson or Baltimore ring a bell? Not offended at all, those retorts lost their effect on me when I was still a child. Everybody is talking about racism and institutionalized racism, heard about partyism? "Peaceful protest" as in the mentality that these are peaceful protests and the destruction associated with them is normal so deal with it. I hope I answered all of your points, maybe you could learn from this type of response.

Let’s not forget Dallas, TX, which spawned the “Blue Lives Matter” movement.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers

I remember using this incident as an argument in favor of Kaepernick's kneeling. You have one protest against police brutality where cops are ambushed and murdered. And another protest against police brutality where a guy was kneeling when it's traditional to stand. So regardless of what ya think of the flag or whatever, it's the most violent protest there can be versus, really, the most peaceful there can be. 

PJPOWER

Ledbetterman10 said:

PJPOWER said:

JW269453 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JW269453 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Funny how none of this shit occurred during 8 years of Obama.

Squeaky clean, he sure had those police in line didn't he? Here are just a few names you might recall.

Oscar Grant

Trayvon Martin

Michael Brown

Freddie Gray

One could argue that the "peaceful protest" was popularized during the Obama administration. Weird though since everyone was so much safer back then. Take a step back and you will see both sides. Or you can continue to practice partyism, the biggest civil issue this country faces that nobody wants to talk about.

The Obama DOJ held police departments accountable for their actions. Obama was sympathetic to the injustices that were committed. I didn't say POC didn't die at the hands of police during the Obama Administration. I just don't remember him being so callous to the issue and the populace rising up to riot/loot. I'm sorry that offends you. "Partyism?" How about racism? Institutionalized racism? Worth talking about? "Peaceful protest," stay home and STFU, stay in your place, how dare you step out of place. Is that what you meant?

So much accountability it continued to happen? I'm sure those families forgot about everything as soon as sympathy was given. No you said "none of this shit occurred". Ferguson or Baltimore ring a bell? Not offended at all, those retorts lost their effect on me when I was still a child. Everybody is talking about racism and institutionalized racism, heard about partyism? "Peaceful protest" as in the mentality that these are peaceful protests and the destruction associated with them is normal so deal with it. I hope I answered all of your points, maybe you could learn from this type of response.

Let’s not forget Dallas, TX, which spawned the “Blue Lives Matter” movement.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers

I remember using this incident as an argument in favor of Kaepernick's kneeling. You have one protest against police brutality where cops are ambushed and murdered. And another protest against police brutality where a guy was kneeling when it's traditional to stand. So regardless of what ya think of the flag or whatever, it's the most violent protest there can be versus, really, the most peaceful there can be. 

Makes sense

static111

Ledbetterman10 said:

static111 said:

Andy NGO licking  boots of the cops.  “charges” cops making shit up is what it should be called. You look at one of those blue monsters sideways these days they say you are assaulting them and use it for justification of anything

Yeah I wanted to avoid using his posts because I expected responses like this. But, I wanted to also show examples of white people getting in trouble for rioting, so you all wouldn't call me racist for only posting black people rioting. And these Andy Ngo posts were the first I found. 

So getting pulled in on trumped up charges by the pigs is now considered “rioting”

Ledbetterman10

static111 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

static111 said:

Andy NGO licking  boots of the cops.  “charges” cops making shit up is what it should be called. You look at one of those blue monsters sideways these days they say you are assaulting them and use it for justification of anything

Yeah I wanted to avoid using his posts because I expected responses like this. But, I wanted to also show examples of white people getting in trouble for rioting, so you all wouldn't call me racist for only posting black people rioting. And these Andy Ngo posts were the first I found. 

So getting pulled in on trumped up charges by the pigs is now considered “rioting”

I just posted three people that were charged in relation to Portland riots. But you seem to know a lot more about these three people than I do. So what exactly did they do, and how are their charges trumped-up?

PJPOWER

Ledbetterman10 said:

static111 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

static111 said:

Andy NGO licking  boots of the cops.  “charges” cops making shit up is what it should be called. You look at one of those blue monsters sideways these days they say you are assaulting them and use it for justification of anything

Yeah I wanted to avoid using his posts because I expected responses like this. But, I wanted to also show examples of white people getting in trouble for rioting, so you all wouldn't call me racist for only posting black people rioting. And these Andy Ngo posts were the first I found. 

So getting pulled in on trumped up charges by the pigs is now considered “rioting”

I just posted three people that were charged in relation to Portland riots. But you seem to know a lot more about these three people than I do. So what exactly did they do, and how are their charges trumped-up?

Should get a non-biased source link real soon...

Ledbetterman10

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

static111 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

static111 said:

Andy NGO licking  boots of the cops.  “charges” cops making shit up is what it should be called. You look at one of those blue monsters sideways these days they say you are assaulting them and use it for justification of anything

Yeah I wanted to avoid using his posts because I expected responses like this. But, I wanted to also show examples of white people getting in trouble for rioting, so you all wouldn't call me racist for only posting black people rioting. And these Andy Ngo posts were the first I found. 

So getting pulled in on trumped up charges by the pigs is now considered “rioting”

I just posted three people that were charged in relation to Portland riots. But you seem to know a lot more about these three people than I do. So what exactly did they do, and how are their charges trumped-up?

Should get a non-biased source link real soon...

Well in fairness, I don't have video of them driving a car into a store, harassing elderly women, or lighting anything on fire. So maybe they really are just innocent bystanders that the "blue monsters" are out to get. I'll wait for static111 to get back to me with the info. I thought the cops just had it out for black people. I'm surprised to learn they also have it out for white lawyers. You would think lawyers are the last people you want to bring "trumped-up" charges against. But who knows?

Halifax2TheMax

Peaceful protest? Sure.

https://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2020/08/10/fort-collins-police-rally-protesters-dispute-aggressors-both-sides-caused-brawl/3334912001/

Halifax2TheMax

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Here we go, hijacking the thread because you don't like the subject matter. The Bundy fiasco happened in 2016 (pre-George Floyd), and there's already a thread about it that you've posted in many times. But nobody's posted in it since 2018. 

https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/231721/cliven-bundy/p1

"Hijacking the thread because I don't like the subject matter?" Weak sauce. The looting of federal land by the Bundy's continues to this day. Why no outrage? You pay taxes, right? Boogaloo's don't count for "rioting & looting?" I mean they kill cops, why no outrage? Just asking from my left bubble. 

Because you know my intention in this thread was to move the Floyd-related riots away from the BLM thread, Police Abuse thread, etc. (as I said to you in the Police Abuse thread). So those threads don't have to be filled with riots and the like. Even if the Bundys are still looting federal land, that isn't something that sprung up from the Floyd killing. 80 or so days of riots in Portland is the type of thing that was given life following the Floyd killing. If Boogaloos were shooting people at a BLM rally, that would be quite different. I'd say yeah, that's some post-Floyd killing madness right there. 

Edit: So you bumped the Bundy thread and said "Bump, white looting continues to this day." I know everything comes down to race with people like you, but nobody is implying that it's just black people looting and rioting during these Floyd riots. On the contrary, there's a lot of white people doing it (especially in Portland) and ruining it for black people who actually are peacefully protesting. When it's all said and done, it'll be "libtardaplorables" like yourself (as you call yourself in your signature) that will have ruined this opportunity for black people. 

I hadn't realized I left my "left bubble" and threw fireworks, rocks and bottles at the police and attempted to burn down police stations and court houses with people inside them. Guess I ought to stock up on black clothing?

"Ruined this opportunity for Black people." Do you listen to yourself? Because opportunities for Black people have to be fought for because they sure as hell aren't afforded the same opportunity as whites. Or are they?

Ledbetterman10

Yeah that seems like a shit-show of a protest.

Ledbetterman10

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Here we go, hijacking the thread because you don't like the subject matter. The Bundy fiasco happened in 2016 (pre-George Floyd), and there's already a thread about it that you've posted in many times. But nobody's posted in it since 2018. 

https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/231721/cliven-bundy/p1

"Hijacking the thread because I don't like the subject matter?" Weak sauce. The looting of federal land by the Bundy's continues to this day. Why no outrage? You pay taxes, right? Boogaloo's don't count for "rioting & looting?" I mean they kill cops, why no outrage? Just asking from my left bubble. 

Because you know my intention in this thread was to move the Floyd-related riots away from the BLM thread, Police Abuse thread, etc. (as I said to you in the Police Abuse thread). So those threads don't have to be filled with riots and the like. Even if the Bundys are still looting federal land, that isn't something that sprung up from the Floyd killing. 80 or so days of riots in Portland is the type of thing that was given life following the Floyd killing. If Boogaloos were shooting people at a BLM rally, that would be quite different. I'd say yeah, that's some post-Floyd killing madness right there. 

Edit: So you bumped the Bundy thread and said "Bump, white looting continues to this day." I know everything comes down to race with people like you, but nobody is implying that it's just black people looting and rioting during these Floyd riots. On the contrary, there's a lot of white people doing it (especially in Portland) and ruining it for black people who actually are peacefully protesting. When it's all said and done, it'll be "libtardaplorables" like yourself (as you call yourself in your signature) that will have ruined this opportunity for black people. 

I hadn't realized I left my "left bubble" and threw fireworks, rocks and bottles at the police and attempted to burn down police stations and court houses with people inside them. Guess I ought to stock up on black clothing?

"Ruined this opportunity for Black people." Do you listen to yourself? Because opportunities for Black people have to be fought for because they sure as hell aren't afforded the same opportunity as whites. Or are they?

The opportunity I'm referring to is the world's eyes turning towards systemic racism following the Floyd death, and everybody agreeing that it's a problem. But the movement has been hijacked by rioters, many of whom are far-left white liberals.  Not you in particular, but people like you. Why have white people destroying Portland for months? How does that help black people?

And I know in response to my mention of "white liberals" you're going to be like "What about the white supremacists?" Everyone agrees they're bad. The white liberals, who SHOULD be a support for black people in their movement, are ruining it for the black people. 

Halifax2TheMax

JW269453 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JW269453 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Funny how none of this shit occurred during 8 years of Obama.

Squeaky clean, he sure had those police in line didn't he? Here are just a few names you might recall.

Oscar Grant

Trayvon Martin

Michael Brown

Freddie Gray

One could argue that the "peaceful protest" was popularized during the Obama administration. Weird though since everyone was so much safer back then. Take a step back and you will see both sides. Or you can continue to practice partyism, the biggest civil issue this country faces that nobody wants to talk about.

The Obama DOJ held police departments accountable for their actions. Obama was sympathetic to the injustices that were committed. I didn't say POC didn't die at the hands of police during the Obama Administration. I just don't remember him being so callous to the issue and the populace rising up to riot/loot. I'm sorry that offends you. "Partyism?" How about racism? Institutionalized racism? Worth talking about? "Peaceful protest," stay home and STFU, stay in your place, how dare you step out of place. Is that what you meant?

So much accountability it continued to happen? I'm sure those families forgot about everything as soon as sympathy was given. No you said "none of this shit occurred". Ferguson or Baltimore ring a bell? Not offended at all, those retorts lost their effect on me when I was still a child. Everybody is talking about racism and institutionalized racism, heard about partyism? "Peaceful protest" as in the mentality that these are peaceful protests and the destruction associated with them is normal so deal with it. I hope I answered all of your points, maybe you could learn from this type of response.

And maybe you could learn from these types of responses:

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2014/11/24/president-obama-delivers-statement-ferguson-grand-jurys-decision

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/us/politics/events-in-baltimore-reflect-a-slow-rolling-crisis-across-us-obama-says.html

As opposed to this:

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/500076-trump-blasts-minneapolis-mayor-over-protests-threatens-military

"When the looting starts, the shooting starts." Said by one of the most racists presidents ever.

Can you see the differences in the approaches? Last time I checked, Ferguson and Baltimore didn't continue for 60+ days and counting. And yet here we are. Do you deny that Obama's DOJ held the Ferguson Police Department or Baltimore's accountable? Do you deny that both departments haven't implemented reforms? Guess which DOJ has jettisoned police reforms? I'll help you out:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/the-trump-administration-abandoned-obama-era-police-reform-efforts-now-critics-want-them-restored/2020/06/01/4615bc1c-a413-11ea-b473-04905b1af82b_story.html

jeffbr

Halifax2TheMax said:

And maybe you could learn from these types of responses:

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2014/11/24/president-obama-delivers-statement-ferguson-grand-jurys-decision

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/us/politics/events-in-baltimore-reflect-a-slow-rolling-crisis-across-us-obama-says.html

As opposed to this:

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/500076-trump-blasts-minneapolis-mayor-over-protests-threatens-military

"When the looting starts, the shooting starts." Said by one of the most racists presidents ever.

Can you see the differences in the approaches? Last time I checked, Ferguson and Baltimore didn't continue for 60+ days and counting. And yet here we are. Do you deny that Obama's DOJ held the Ferguson Police Department or Baltimore's accountable? Do you deny that both departments haven't implemented reforms? Guess which DOJ has jettisoned police reforms? I'll help you out:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/the-trump-administration-abandoned-obama-era-police-reform-efforts-now-critics-want-them-restored/2020/06/01/4615bc1c-a413-11ea-b473-04905b1af82b_story.html

I do think we can learn a valuable lesson by looking at the vastly different responses. I can tell you from personal experience that the best thing that happened to the Seattle Police Department was getting put under DOJ guidance. We saw a department that seemed to thrive on beating and shooting minorities (specifically African Americans and Native Americans) as well we the mentally ill. It was a huge problem. We got hit with a consent decree and put under guidance that caused a number of reforms and retraining of all cops to deal with mental health issues and deescalate situations rather than "dominate" them. The improved stats speak for themselves. That is the approach we need to get back to.

brianlux

I'm not thrilled with the violent side of many of these protest, although I understand the anger.  I understand and even at times support the activist Warrior (particularly the eco-warrior, as long as their slogan is "Do no harm to any person".)  But I lean far more toward pacifism, do here's a three minute video that attempts to balance the equation here. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF9qi-FTTz4

Bentleyspop

static111 said:

Andy NGO licking  boots of the cops.  “charges” cops making shit up is what it should be called. You look at one of those blue monsters sideways these days they say you are assaulting them and use it for justification of anything

andy ngo is a LYING PIECE OF SHIT
Guess he wants a cabinet position in the current white house

Merkin Baller

Bentleyspop said:

static111 said:

Andy NGO licking  boots of the cops.  “charges” cops making shit up is what it should be called. You look at one of those blue monsters sideways these days they say you are assaulting them and use it for justification of anything

andy ngo is a LYING PIECE OF SHIT
Guess he wants a cabinet position in the current white house

Yeah, there's a reason Andy Ngo is the only one providing his unique brand of coverage, and it isn't because he's dedicated to truthfulness.