2021 European Tour Announcement

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  • rw160510
    rw160510 Posts: 1,072
    The UK gov is set to announce that ALL legal limits on social contact will be removed from 21 June.

    I can confidently say that BST will now definitely go ahead without any question whatsoever. 100%. Bet the house. 

    No earlier than June 21st. It's not bolted on at this stage but it sounds a bit more promising. The rest of the tour however,  I'm not so sure. I've got tickets for Amsterdam and I'm in no rush to re book hotels and flights.
  • The annoucement was 21st June - "at the earliest", i don't hold the same confidence that this will go ahead - not confirmed its definately 21st, just earliest and can't see them allowing crowds in at Hyde Park - hope i am wrong but there is a hell of a lot of planning that needs to go into holding something like this and a less definate statement that gigs will be good to go after 21st, i think they will pull the plug for this year and full steam ahead next year. - unless they can move to late August - early Sept
  • Tjm007
    Tjm007 Posts: 189
    Target in Uk of all restrictions lifted by 21st June - question is now whether PJ proceed with Uk when other EU countries who don't have such a fast vax roll out.
  • I still don't see it happening. Or at least, certainly not with PJ headlining. It will be difficult for anyone with a ticket outside of the UK to attend, and I just don't see them doing that to their fans. 
  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,211
    We can still dream though right?
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    While I still say Europe 2022 is 100% and nothing this year, I love the optimism from the UK and the push to safely reopen as soon as possible. In NA we are getting masks and distancing until 2022 as our message. Optimism is what we need right now almost 1 year into this mess. 

    May be an image of text that says Step 4 Figure 12 Step STEP At least five weeks after Step 3 no earlier than 21 June By Step 4 the Government hopes to be able to introduce the following subject to review  No limits Nolegamt on social contact Nightclubs TICKET Larger events Noll all legal limit on life events
  • It says somewhere the final decision about a phase will be made one week before it is due to start.  So if everything goes well with all prior phases (which is a huge if) then on 14 June it could be definitive that the last phase will start on 21 June.  That means the organizers of BST will not have certainty in any scenario until less than 4 weeks before the fest.  That sounds like 2022 to me.  
    PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024:  Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2; Indy; Chicago 1-2; MSG 1-2; Philly 2; Boston 2; Ohana 1-2; 2025: FL 1-2, ATL 1-2, Nash 1-2, Pit 1-2.
     
    EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.

    Gutted:  London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    It says somewhere the final decision about a phase will be made one week before it is due to start.  So if everything goes well with all prior phases (which is a huge if) then on 14 June it could be definitive that the last phase will start on 21 June.  That means the organizers of BST will not have certainty in any scenario until less than 4 weeks before the fest.  That sounds like 2022 to me.  
    Always wondered why pushing it to August is not an option for these festivals. It seems like they are 1 month short of possibly happening if all things go off to plan. 
  • cutz
    cutz Posts: 12,227
    Kearn5y said:
    Aerosmith just bumped their European tour (June/July) on by 12 months to 2022. I’d rather this than a cancel 
    I see a lot of artists are doing the same, bumping their tours to next year. Will be happy to keep my tickets until next year.
    Yeah, I have NO problem holding onto the tickets for the Shows I have.
  • PJNB said:
    It says somewhere the final decision about a phase will be made one week before it is due to start.  So if everything goes well with all prior phases (which is a huge if) then on 14 June it could be definitive that the last phase will start on 21 June.  That means the organizers of BST will not have certainty in any scenario until less than 4 weeks before the fest.  That sounds like 2022 to me.  
    Always wondered why pushing it to August is not an option for these festivals. It seems like they are 1 month short of possibly happening if all things go off to plan. 
    Likewise, or even early Sept.  
    PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024:  Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2; Indy; Chicago 1-2; MSG 1-2; Philly 2; Boston 2; Ohana 1-2; 2025: FL 1-2, ATL 1-2, Nash 1-2, Pit 1-2.
     
    EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.

    Gutted:  London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
  • Im guessing PJ won't come just to play hyde park if the rest of Europe is off
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    Im guessing PJ won't come just to play hyde park if the rest of Europe is off
    Curious how the contract obligations would work regarding this. I still think Hyde Park does not happen for many reasons but if it did how could Pearl Jam just back out legally with out taking a huge hit in the wallet. Crazy times though and probably a different contract signed this time around than for 2020 so who knows what the stipulations are. 
  • BlueLedbetter
    BlueLedbetter Posts: 1,377
    edited February 2021
    PJNB said:
    Im guessing PJ won't come just to play hyde park if the rest of Europe is off
    Curious how the contract obligations would work regarding this. I still think Hyde Park does not happen for many reasons but if it did how could Pearl Jam just back out legally with out taking a huge hit in the wallet. Crazy times though and probably a different contract signed this time around than for 2020 so who knows what the stipulations are. 
    Good point i doubt its happening though so may not end up being relevant *no earlier than" to me would make it difficult to commit when it could easily be pushed back a month 
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  • None of the shows will happen in 2021 - regardless of UK and Hyde Park.

    Where does it say life back to normal from 21 June?  Does anyone seriously think the first gigs back will be outdoor 60,000+ capacity concerts with international travelling fans!! 

    Dublin '06, Lisbon 1 '06, Lisbon 2 '06, London '07, Manchester '09, London '09, Dublin '10, Belfast '10, London '10, Manchester 1 '12, Manchester 2 '12, Berlin 1 '12, Berlin 2 '12, Amsterdam 1 '14, Amsterdam 2 '14, Berlin '14, Leeds '14, London 1 '18, Prague '18, Krakow '18, Berlin '18, London 2 '18, London 1 '22, London 2 '22, Budapest '22, Amsterdam 2 '22
  • HailHailVitalogy
    HailHailVitalogy Posts: 6,012
    edited February 2021
    In regards to Hyde Park. Optimistically I see them having a limited capacity crowd, masks, and UK citizens only attend. I also see them allowing international bands to drop out. I think something is better than nothing. 

    Ohana and Sea Hear Now I think are a go, just super limited capacity. I think those are the only 2 shows PJ will agree to do with limited capacity because they’re shows in the states. 

    I see the first PJ show “as we know it” in April 2022 once the weather warms up a bit and we’re through the flu season 2021.

    I will be trying to attend every single show once they announce it. Not sure how much longer we have, they’re out of their prime, Eddie can’t do certain songs anymore (lord knows he tries though), and by the time we see them they will be much older as will we.
    Post edited by HailHailVitalogy on
    2003: Uniondale, MSG x2 | 2004: Reading | 2005: Gorge, Vancouver, Philly | 2006: East Rutherford x2, Gorge x2, Camden 1, Hartford | 2008: MSG x2, VA Beach | 2009: Philly x3 | 2010: MSG x2, Bristow | 2011: Alpine Valley x2 | 2012: MIA Philly | 2013: Wrigley, Charlottesville, Brooklyn 2 | 2014: Milan, Amsterdam 1 | 2016: MSG x2, Fenway x2, Wrigley 2 | 2018: Rome, Krakow, Berlin, Wrigley 2 | 2021: Sea Hear Now | 2022: San Diego, LA x2, MSG, Camden, Nashville, St. Louis, Denver | 2023: St. Paul 1, Chicago x2, Fort Worth x2, Austin 2 | 2024: Las Vegas 1, Seattle x2, Indy, MSG x2, Philly x2, Baltimore, Ohana 2 2025: Florida x2, Atlanta x2, Pittsburgh x2
  • That said, I really think they should shoot for a New Zealand and Australia tour in Dec/Jan to shake the rust off
    2003: Uniondale, MSG x2 | 2004: Reading | 2005: Gorge, Vancouver, Philly | 2006: East Rutherford x2, Gorge x2, Camden 1, Hartford | 2008: MSG x2, VA Beach | 2009: Philly x3 | 2010: MSG x2, Bristow | 2011: Alpine Valley x2 | 2012: MIA Philly | 2013: Wrigley, Charlottesville, Brooklyn 2 | 2014: Milan, Amsterdam 1 | 2016: MSG x2, Fenway x2, Wrigley 2 | 2018: Rome, Krakow, Berlin, Wrigley 2 | 2021: Sea Hear Now | 2022: San Diego, LA x2, MSG, Camden, Nashville, St. Louis, Denver | 2023: St. Paul 1, Chicago x2, Fort Worth x2, Austin 2 | 2024: Las Vegas 1, Seattle x2, Indy, MSG x2, Philly x2, Baltimore, Ohana 2 2025: Florida x2, Atlanta x2, Pittsburgh x2
  • Gravey1975
    Gravey1975 Posts: 342
    edited February 2021
    None of the shows will happen in 2021 - regardless of UK and Hyde Park.

    Where does it say life back to normal from 21 June?  Does anyone seriously think the first gigs back will be outdoor 60,000+ capacity concerts with international travelling fans!! 

    If all goes to plan, according to the UK Gov timeline, yes shows of all sizes are happening from 21 june. 21 june is the aim to return to normality. No social restrictions of any kind. Will it happen? Who knows. Will BST happen with Pearl Jam headlining? Highly unlikely.
    Post edited by Gravey1975 on

  • Ohana and Sea Hear Now I think are a go, just super limited capacity. I think those are the only 2 shows PJ will agree to do with limited capacity because they’re shows in the states. 
    Re Ohana and SHN, it may be tough to limit capacity, as tickets have been sold based on the pre-COVID numbers.  It isn’t public how many tickets remain unsold, but chances are they’ve sold well above whatever a reduced capacity would be.  And if not, there are still the economics of whether the reduced capacity revenue is sufficient for them to proceed.  But if either or both of these happen, I’ll be there if at all possible at my end.  
    PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024:  Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2; Indy; Chicago 1-2; MSG 1-2; Philly 2; Boston 2; Ohana 1-2; 2025: FL 1-2, ATL 1-2, Nash 1-2, Pit 1-2.
     
    EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.

    Gutted:  London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023

  • Ohana and Sea Hear Now I think are a go, just super limited capacity. I think those are the only 2 shows PJ will agree to do with limited capacity because they’re shows in the states. 
    Re Ohana and SHN, it may be tough to limit capacity, as tickets have been sold based on the pre-COVID numbers.  It isn’t public how many tickets remain unsold, but chances are they’ve sold well above whatever a reduced capacity would be.  And if not, there are still the economics of whether the reduced capacity revenue is sufficient for them to proceed.  But if either or both of these happen, I’ll be there if at all possible at my end.  

    There’s a lot of ways around it. There will be people asking for refunds because they don’t feel safe. Can also offer free VIP tickets for 2022 if they swap 2021 for 2022. Just two ideas off the top of my head. In terms of finances, it’s a loss one way or another.
    2003: Uniondale, MSG x2 | 2004: Reading | 2005: Gorge, Vancouver, Philly | 2006: East Rutherford x2, Gorge x2, Camden 1, Hartford | 2008: MSG x2, VA Beach | 2009: Philly x3 | 2010: MSG x2, Bristow | 2011: Alpine Valley x2 | 2012: MIA Philly | 2013: Wrigley, Charlottesville, Brooklyn 2 | 2014: Milan, Amsterdam 1 | 2016: MSG x2, Fenway x2, Wrigley 2 | 2018: Rome, Krakow, Berlin, Wrigley 2 | 2021: Sea Hear Now | 2022: San Diego, LA x2, MSG, Camden, Nashville, St. Louis, Denver | 2023: St. Paul 1, Chicago x2, Fort Worth x2, Austin 2 | 2024: Las Vegas 1, Seattle x2, Indy, MSG x2, Philly x2, Baltimore, Ohana 2 2025: Florida x2, Atlanta x2, Pittsburgh x2
  • Luckytwn1
    Luckytwn1 Posts: 517
    edited February 2021

    Ohana and Sea Hear Now I think are a go, just super limited capacity. I think those are the only 2 shows PJ will agree to do with limited capacity because they’re shows in the states. 
    Re Ohana and SHN, it may be tough to limit capacity, as tickets have been sold based on the pre-COVID numbers.  It isn’t public how many tickets remain unsold, but chances are they’ve sold well above whatever a reduced capacity would be.  And if not, there are still the economics of whether the reduced capacity revenue is sufficient for them to proceed.  But if either or both of these happen, I’ll be there if at all possible at my end.  

    There’s a lot of ways around it. There will be people asking for refunds because they don’t feel safe. Can also offer free VIP tickets for 2022 if they swap 2021 for 2022. Just two ideas off the top of my head. In terms of finances, it’s a loss one way or another.
    It's not a loss one way or another. For one thing, if the festival doesn't happen and there are losses, they are no doubt insured. Plus, by holding the festival with a much smaller than planned crowd, the losses would be much larger than if they don't hold the festival at all unless they can somehow get the acts to renegotiate their fees.

    This is a multi-million dollar event with contracts that have long ago been signed. Your "lots of ways" don't take into account at all the economic reality. Maybe they will find a way to hold the fall festivals, we can hope, but I would personally not bet my house on it.

    Concerts are completely different than sports, which can happen with very small crowds or no crowds because of the TV money. The games are going to happen anyway so it can be decided at the last minute to allow fans in. To hold a concert in September, they will have to make the decision several months before when they likely won't have the data to give the go ahead. That's why it is likely most large shows won't resume until 2022.  There will no doubt start to be smaller venue shows earlier. 

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