I just thought I'd Post a portion of that article:
Trump actually tweeted on June 22: "Rigged 2020 election: millions of mail-in ballots will be printed by foreign countries, and others. It will be the scandal of our times!" With this, Trump has begun to lay the groundwork for the step-by-step process by which he holds on to the presidency after he has clearly lost the election:
Biden wins the popular vote, and carries the key swing states of Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania by decent but not overwhelming margins.
Trump immediately declares that the voting was rigged, that there was mail-in ballot fraud and that the Chinese were behind a plan to provide fraudulent mail-in ballots and other "election hacking" throughout the four key swing states that gave Biden his victory.
Having railed against the Chinese throughout the campaign, calling Biden "soft on China," Trump delivers his narrative claiming the Chinese have interfered in the U.S. election.
Trump indicates this is a major national security issue, and he invokes emergency powers, directing the Justice Department to investigate the alleged activity in the swing states. The legal justification for the presidential powers he invokes has already been developed and issued by Barr.
The investigation is intended to tick down the clock toward December 14, the deadline when each state's Electoral College electors must be appointed. This is the very issue that the Supreme Court harped on in Bush v. Gore in ruling that the election process had to be brought to a close, thus forbidding the further counting of Florida ballots.
All four swing states have Republican control of both their upper and lower houses of their state legislatures. Those state legislatures refuse to allow any Electoral College slate to be certified until the "national security" investigation is complete.
The Democrats will have begun a legal action to certify the results in those four states, and the appointment of the Biden slate of electors, arguing that Trump has manufactured a national security emergency in order to create the ensuing chaos.
The issue goes up to the Supreme Court, which unlike the 2000 election does not decide the election in favor of the Republicans. However, it indicates again that the December 14 Electoral College deadline must be met; that the president's national security powers legally authorize him to investigate potential foreign country intrusion into the national election; and if no Electoral College slate can be certified by any state by December 14, the Electoral College must meet anyway and cast its votes.
The Electoral College meets, and without the electors from those four states being represented, neither Biden nor Trump has sufficient votes to get an Electoral College majority.
The election is thrown into the House of Representatives, pursuant to the Constitution. Under the relevant constitutional process, the vote in the House is by state delegation, where each delegation casts one vote, which is determined by the majority of the representatives in that state.
Currently, there are 26 states that have a majority Republican House delegation. 23 states have a majority Democratic delegation. There is one state, Pennsylvania, that has an evenly split delegation. Even if the Democrats were to pick up seats in Pennsylvania and hold all their 2018 House gains, the Republicans would have a 26 to 24 delegation majority.
This vote would enable Trump to retain the presidency.
@j1kotwic How do you feel about Trump tweeting his white power supporters this morning?
Here we go again. "White power" group consists of about 40 people that travel around the us. Charlie LeDuff has some great reporting on them in the Detroit area.
I will vote trump in 2020. It was a choice I thought long and hard about in 2016. He was my last choice of the Republican candidates. But in the end, I thought he would take the country in a better direction than hillary.
I remember coming on here after he won the election in 2016 and I was insulted by many on here after I said I voted for Trump. Mainly I was called a racist.
Fast forward to now. Trump still can be a total jackass and I wonder what the hell he's thinking. Worse than I thought. Why he says the things he says.. some of it is nuts. And it really makes me wonder. Then sometimes he says things that make total sense and is exactly what I'm thinking. That's the part thats missing from the democrats. They never say anything that I agree with these days. It also doesnt help that the democrats have insulted everyone who voted for Trump - over and over again...Thats true for this forum too. All anyone has done on here is hurl insults at people who dont think like them. I stop by here every now and again, see if theres anyone around here that's thinking like I am.. post something like this, get insulted some more, come back on 8 to 12 months later and repeat. Why do I even bother? Who knows. Pearl Jam is my favorite band. So maybe I prefer getting scolded by pearl jam fans as opposed to the general public? That must be it. I prefer to get scolded by people with good musical taste... so theres one thing we have in common.
When you say Trump says a few things that make sense, what things are hitting you right? As someone who tends to vote third party, I'm curious because it sounds like you're genuinely interested in having a conversation. There aren't many Trump supporters who pop in and most that do are only looking to lob bombs.
For me specifically, energy policy, as it is how I make a living. Natural gas, including renewable natural gas, for those who gasped. The Democrats have taken aim at my livelihood. This is one major piece. There are others... but if its your livelihood and all you've worked for your entire life... well ya know.
I will vote trump in 2020. It was a choice I thought long and hard about in 2016. He was my last choice of the Republican candidates. But in the end, I thought he would take the country in a better direction than hillary.
I remember coming on here after he won the election in 2016 and I was insulted by many on here after I said I voted for Trump. Mainly I was called a racist.
Fast forward to now. Trump still can be a total jackass and I wonder what the hell he's thinking. Worse than I thought. Why he says the things he says.. some of it is nuts. And it really makes me wonder. Then sometimes he says things that make total sense and is exactly what I'm thinking. That's the part thats missing from the democrats. They never say anything that I agree with these days. It also doesnt help that the democrats have insulted everyone who voted for Trump - over and over again...Thats true for this forum too. All anyone has done on here is hurl insults at people who dont think like them. I stop by here every now and again, see if theres anyone around here that's thinking like I am.. post something like this, get insulted some more, come back on 8 to 12 months later and repeat. Why do I even bother? Who knows. Pearl Jam is my favorite band. So maybe I prefer getting scolded by pearl jam fans as opposed to the general public? That must be it. I prefer to get scolded by people with good musical taste... so theres one thing we have in common.
You're welcome to stay away if you don't like being confronted with facts and asked to respond to them. It's not like you're enriching any conversations by telling us you'd vote the "sometimes-nuts" person in office over Biden, and providing zero initiatives that the Democrats have pursued that you have such vehement opposition to. Tell me what what you're so offended by that Democrats have taken strong stances on - the notion of equality? Of protecting freedom of speech? Combatting a troubling statistic of black men being murdered by police officers? Proposing mask-wearing during a pandemic?
If these things offend you - I hope you enjoy the next Trump rally.
Ok I understand now.. I'm an idiot, youre not. Never been a Trump fan. Hated the apprentice. Never been to a Trump rally. Will never go to a Trump rally. I do wear a mask in public - if I have to go in public.
@j1kotwic How do you feel about Trump tweeting his white power supporters this morning?
I do not think Trump is a white supremacist. I think white supremacists are about 0.0001% of the population. This is just crap clogging up the internet. White supremacists have no place in today's society and they've been weeded out. Stop trying to act like they have a voice.
I will vote trump in 2020. It was a choice I thought long and hard about in 2016. He was my last choice of the Republican candidates. But in the end, I thought he would take the country in a better direction than hillary.
I remember coming on here after he won the election in 2016 and I was insulted by many on here after I said I voted for Trump. Mainly I was called a racist.
Fast forward to now. Trump still can be a total jackass and I wonder what the hell he's thinking. Worse than I thought. Why he says the things he says.. some of it is nuts. And it really makes me wonder. Then sometimes he says things that make total sense and is exactly what I'm thinking. That's the part thats missing from the democrats. They never say anything that I agree with these days. It also doesnt help that the democrats have insulted everyone who voted for Trump - over and over again...Thats true for this forum too. All anyone has done on here is hurl insults at people who dont think like them. I stop by here every now and again, see if theres anyone around here that's thinking like I am.. post something like this, get insulted some more, come back on 8 to 12 months later and repeat. Why do I even bother? Who knows. Pearl Jam is my favorite band. So maybe I prefer getting scolded by pearl jam fans as opposed to the general public? That must be it. I prefer to get scolded by people with good musical taste... so theres one thing we have in common.
You're welcome to stay away if you don't like being confronted with facts and asked to respond to them. It's not like you're enriching any conversations by telling us you'd vote the "sometimes-nuts" person in office over Biden, and providing zero initiatives that the Democrats have pursued that you have such vehement opposition to. Tell me what what you're so offended by that Democrats have taken strong stances on - the notion of equality? Of protecting freedom of speech? Combatting a troubling statistic of black men being murdered by police officers? Proposing mask-wearing during a pandemic?
If these things offend you - I hope you enjoy the next Trump rally.
Benjs has always been the gate keeper at the 10C forum. I have been chewed out a few times by comrade benjs, and have been told to leave. Suggesting that maybe I get new friends. Claiming that they here @ 10C are the enlightened Woke ones with compassion and 9 the fun facts of the day. Hey, j1kotwic my wife often asks me why I bother arguing with these people? I do it to keep up with how wacky the left is getting, and stupidity on my part.
Hahaha. I come for the same reason as you. I'm interested in hearing what others think. Especially here. Not sure why. The only reason I can think of is that I've been to so many PJ concerts and everyone is so friendly and awesome. Then you come here and you'd think theres no way these are the same people I see at a PJ concert. Just weird.
I will vote trump in 2020. It was a choice I thought long and hard about in 2016. He was my last choice of the Republican candidates. But in the end, I thought he would take the country in a better direction than hillary.
I remember coming on here after he won the election in 2016 and I was insulted by many on here after I said I voted for Trump. Mainly I was called a racist.
Fast forward to now. Trump still can be a total jackass and I wonder what the hell he's thinking. Worse than I thought. Why he says the things he says.. some of it is nuts. And it really makes me wonder. Then sometimes he says things that make total sense and is exactly what I'm thinking. That's the part thats missing from the democrats. They never say anything that I agree with these days. It also doesnt help that the democrats have insulted everyone who voted for Trump - over and over again...Thats true for this forum too. All anyone has done on here is hurl insults at people who dont think like them. I stop by here every now and again, see if theres anyone around here that's thinking like I am.. post something like this, get insulted some more, come back on 8 to 12 months later and repeat. Why do I even bother? Who knows. Pearl Jam is my favorite band. So maybe I prefer getting scolded by pearl jam fans as opposed to the general public? That must be it. I prefer to get scolded by people with good musical taste... so theres one thing we have in common.
You're welcome to stay away if you don't like being confronted with facts and asked to respond to them. It's not like you're enriching any conversations by telling us you'd vote the "sometimes-nuts" person in office over Biden, and providing zero initiatives that the Democrats have pursued that you have such vehement opposition to. Tell me what what you're so offended by that Democrats have taken strong stances on - the notion of equality? Of protecting freedom of speech? Combatting a troubling statistic of black men being murdered by police officers? Proposing mask-wearing during a pandemic?
If these things offend you - I hope you enjoy the next Trump rally.
Ok I understand now.. I'm an idiot, youre not. Never been a Trump fan. Hated the apprentice. Never been to a Trump rally. Will never go to a Trump rally. I do wear a mask in public - if I have to go in public.
I didn't attack your intelligence. If you're going down that avenue, you're doing so of your own accord.
You mentioned that you find many of the things Trump says are 'nuts', but that you don't see anything you could get behind from the Democrats. My ask is simple: if you think the current POTUS does and says things that are 'sometimes nuts', what is it so awful the Democrats support that Trump doesn't that would compel you to tolerate that idiocy for another four years?
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I will vote trump in 2020. It was a choice I thought long and hard about in 2016. He was my last choice of the Republican candidates. But in the end, I thought he would take the country in a better direction than hillary.
I remember coming on here after he won the election in 2016 and I was insulted by many on here after I said I voted for Trump. Mainly I was called a racist.
Fast forward to now. Trump still can be a total jackass and I wonder what the hell he's thinking. Worse than I thought. Why he says the things he says.. some of it is nuts. And it really makes me wonder. Then sometimes he says things that make total sense and is exactly what I'm thinking. That's the part thats missing from the democrats. They never say anything that I agree with these days. It also doesnt help that the democrats have insulted everyone who voted for Trump - over and over again...Thats true for this forum too. All anyone has done on here is hurl insults at people who dont think like them. I stop by here every now and again, see if theres anyone around here that's thinking like I am.. post something like this, get insulted some more, come back on 8 to 12 months later and repeat. Why do I even bother? Who knows. Pearl Jam is my favorite band. So maybe I prefer getting scolded by pearl jam fans as opposed to the general public? That must be it. I prefer to get scolded by people with good musical taste... so theres one thing we have in common.
When you say Trump says a few things that make sense, what things are hitting you right? As someone who tends to vote third party, I'm curious because it sounds like you're genuinely interested in having a conversation. There aren't many Trump supporters who pop in and most that do are only looking to lob bombs.
For me specifically, energy policy, as it is how I make a living. Natural gas, including renewable natural gas, for those who gasped. The Democrats have taken aim at my livelihood. This is one major piece. There are others... but if its your livelihood and all you've worked for your entire life... well ya know.
Gotcha. That makes sense to me. There's often a lot of discussion about whether or not someone is appropriately voting in their interest, so it would be difficult to judge that too harshly.
Progressive Democrats have targeted my livelihood since 2008. But that's okay, I trust both moderation and regulated capitalism. I simply cannot vote for a man who so damages our founding principles, truth and common decency. I know Democrats cost me money, but there are some things that are more important than that.
Joe Biden could shoot me on 5th Ave. and I’d still vote for him.
lol, stole that from an article I was reading earlier this weekend.
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I just thought I'd Post a portion of that article:
Trump actually tweeted on June 22: "Rigged 2020 election: millions of mail-in ballots will be printed by foreign countries, and others. It will be the scandal of our times!" With this, Trump has begun to lay the groundwork for the step-by-step process by which he holds on to the presidency after he has clearly lost the election:
Biden wins the popular vote, and carries the key swing states of Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania by decent but not overwhelming margins.
Trump immediately declares that the voting was rigged, that there was mail-in ballot fraud and that the Chinese were behind a plan to provide fraudulent mail-in ballots and other "election hacking" throughout the four key swing states that gave Biden his victory.
Having railed against the Chinese throughout the campaign, calling Biden "soft on China," Trump delivers his narrative claiming the Chinese have interfered in the U.S. election.
Trump indicates this is a major national security issue, and he invokes emergency powers, directing the Justice Department to investigate the alleged activity in the swing states. The legal justification for the presidential powers he invokes has already been developed and issued by Barr.
The investigation is intended to tick down the clock toward December 14, the deadline when each state's Electoral College electors must be appointed. This is the very issue that the Supreme Court harped on in Bush v. Gore in ruling that the election process had to be brought to a close, thus forbidding the further counting of Florida ballots.
All four swing states have Republican control of both their upper and lower houses of their state legislatures. Those state legislatures refuse to allow any Electoral College slate to be certified until the "national security" investigation is complete.
The Democrats will have begun a legal action to certify the results in those four states, and the appointment of the Biden slate of electors, arguing that Trump has manufactured a national security emergency in order to create the ensuing chaos.
The issue goes up to the Supreme Court, which unlike the 2000 election does not decide the election in favor of the Republicans. However, it indicates again that the December 14 Electoral College deadline must be met; that the president's national security powers legally authorize him to investigate potential foreign country intrusion into the national election; and if no Electoral College slate can be certified by any state by December 14, the Electoral College must meet anyway and cast its votes.
The Electoral College meets, and without the electors from those four states being represented, neither Biden nor Trump has sufficient votes to get an Electoral College majority.
The election is thrown into the House of Representatives, pursuant to the Constitution. Under the relevant constitutional process, the vote in the House is by state delegation, where each delegation casts one vote, which is determined by the majority of the representatives in that state.
Currently, there are 26 states that have a majority Republican House delegation. 23 states have a majority Democratic delegation. There is one state, Pennsylvania, that has an evenly split delegation. Even if the Democrats were to pick up seats in Pennsylvania and hold all their 2018 House gains, the Republicans would have a 26 to 24 delegation majority.
This vote would enable Trump to retain the presidency.
I see it as more of a narrative for him to step away without admitting defeat. I don't really see a case where he stays on....he did the same thing in 2016. He thought he was going to lose so he throws out the fraud narrative...yet, he won.
The fraud narrative let's him and his family claim victory until they leave the earth...because they didn't really lose if they don't admit it.
Honestly...can you imagine tRump giving a concession speech? Not going to happen. Very unlikely tRump even appears for the inauguration speech.
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I don't think any president (certainly not one in my lifetime) has ever tried so hard to divide the country. The country has been divided (Vietnam war and civil rights in the 1950s and 1960s, for sure) but while I won't speak to Andrew Jackson or Chester A. Arthur, I don't think any president has even been a tenth as intentionally divisive as Trump over the last 100 years. People (not me, but people) tend to like positivity and Trump's inauguration, his Mount Rushmore speech, and almost all others are dark and depressing. Reagan and W thrived on foreign enemies to exhausting levels, but I never imagined I see someone so dependent ondomestic enemies.
While this election is not really about Biden and my primary hope for him is that he appears healthy, is unable to sniff hair (thank you, Covid), and doesn't have too many memorable gaffes, I'm starting to think his primary message should be to counter this division. He should talk about the role of the office in bringing the country together and cite examples from past presidents, Democrat and Republican. That needs to be the message: Trump is trying to divide us and I'm going to try to bring us together. I suppose that will upset some of the hard-left but generally, if Trump keeps digging his heels in on vilifying nearly half the country and Biden does a good job of saying this needs to stop and I'm going to stop it, it should work. And if it doesn't, it just confirms that all hope his lost.
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I don't think any president (certainly not one in my lifetime) has ever tried so hard to divide the country. The country has been divided (Vietnam war and civil rights in the 1950s and 1960s, for sure) but while I won't speak to Andrew Jackson or Chester A. Arthur, I don't think any president has even been a tenth as intentionally divisive as Trump over the last 100 years. People (not me, but people) tend to like positivity and Trump's inauguration, his Mount Rushmore speech, and almost all others are dark and depressing. Reagan and W thrived on foreign enemies to exhausting levels, but I never imagined I see someone so dependent ondomestic enemies.
While this election is not really about Biden and my primary hope for him is that he appears healthy, is unable to sniff hair (thank you, Covid), and doesn't have too many memorable gaffes, I'm starting to think his primary message should be to counter this division. He should talk about the role of the office in bringing the country together and cite examples from past presidents, Democrat and Republican. That needs to be the message: Trump is trying to divide us and I'm going to try to bring us together. I suppose that will upset some of the hard-left but generally, if Trump keeps digging his heels in on vilifying nearly half the country and Biden does a good job of saying this needs to stop and I'm going to stop it, it should work. And if it doesn't, it just confirms that all hope his lost.
It's unreal....he used a July 4th speech at a national monument to blast democrats rather than try to unite the fucking country on its birthday.
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Biden isn't unifying anything. He can say that if he wants, but no one who isn't already voting for him is gonna buy it. Trump isn't causing division, he's a symptom of it. The only thing that's remarkable is how he leans into it like a complete asshole. Past Presidents and Presidential candidates had the decency(?) to save it for private speeches so they could talk about being misquoted later.
Biden isn't unifying anything. He can say that if he wants, but no one who isn't already voting for him is gonna buy it. Trump isn't causing division, he's a symptom of it. The only thing that's remarkable is how he leans into it like a complete asshole. Past Presidents and Presidential candidates had the decency(?) to save it for private speeches so they could talk about being misquoted later.
Trump may be a symptom of division but like hell he isn't causing any of his own. Anyone and everyone can see that.
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Biden isn't unifying anything. He can say that if he wants, but no one who isn't already voting for him is gonna buy it. Trump isn't causing division, he's a symptom of it. The only thing that's remarkable is how he leans into it like a complete asshole. Past Presidents and Presidential candidates had the decency(?) to save it for private speeches so they could talk about being misquoted later.
Agree on Biden. Disagree that Trump isn’t doing any dividing of his own. Yes he is a symptom, but he is also a mega phone amplifying the message , I mean have you ever heard his speeches?
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Ah yes Barr was the perfect choice to be the henchmen!
I just thought I'd Post a portion of that article:
Trump actually tweeted on June 22: "Rigged 2020 election: millions of mail-in ballots will be printed by foreign countries, and others. It will be the scandal of our times!" With this, Trump has begun to lay the groundwork for the step-by-step process by which he holds on to the presidency after he has clearly lost the election:
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Will never go to a Trump rally. I do wear a mask in public - if I have to go in public.
You mentioned that you find many of the things Trump says are 'nuts', but that you don't see anything you could get behind from the Democrats. My ask is simple: if you think the current POTUS does and says things that are 'sometimes nuts', what is it so awful the Democrats support that Trump doesn't that would compel you to tolerate that idiocy for another four years?
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Getting rid of the “undesirables”. This rhetoric has been used by strongmen before. Their countries ended up failing.
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The fraud narrative let's him and his family claim victory until they leave the earth...because they didn't really lose if they don't admit it.
Honestly...can you imagine tRump giving a concession speech? Not going to happen. Very unlikely tRump even appears for the inauguration speech.
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