That’s not pointless at all. Not only does Bernie need to endorse Sleepy Woke Joe, he needs to heartily endorse him and actively campaign for him. But I won’t hold my breath.
The constant repeating is pointless and boring.
Not so boring that it didn’t engage you now, right? State your case. Make your point. Defend it. But please stop complaining.
Boring
Weak. And frightened.
Haaaa. Sure thing pal. Not a chance. Here’s my point.
What Bernie is doing is stupid. I agree. I really do. We are divided enough. To create division within your own party is insane to me. But those posts come off as pretentious. Which will create further division. A Bernie supporter who sees those constant posts will get deterred. And doesn’t that defeat the whole purpose? Isn’t it supposed to be unite to defeat trump? Nobody like to be spoken to like that.
You could have said that in your first response and maybe not have been so bored?
To your point, if a Berniebrosis is going to determine how they vote based on what a poster on a band’s message board says, or from a twitter feed or faceturd threads and posts, then there really is no hope. Bernie should now be trying to convince his followers as hard as possible to do the right thing and get behind Biden and get Team Trump Treason out of the White House. And until that happens or until Berniebrosises pull the lever for Sleepy Woke Joe, they’re nothing more than DINOs and illustrate that they really don’t care about the ideals they claim to be champions of, scorn, arrogance and sexual harassment notwithstanding in their way of politicking.
Facts Matter--
1) Shaming fellow voters didn't work in 2016...
2) Thinking Progressives just follow Bernie blindly is shallow thinking... (see #1 again)
3) It's the candidates job to convince voters in order to win a particular sector of the electorate... (see #1 again)
4) A "Corporate Democrat" doesn't mean you're a supporter of the Democratic Party that works for a Corporation... I'd use rollings eyes on this one, but it would be rude... (see #1 again)
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How about you define a corporate democrat for me since MyYoung won’t answer. Also, why is okay for Sanders and supporters to insult Democrats but “shaming voters” is not okay?
Is corporate democrat a term that makes you feel shame. I think it’s a statement. My understanding and this is my own I don’t know if it is bernies or other sanders supporters is that corporate Democrat is the type of neo liberal that though slightly more socially liberal than republicans tends to favor and create bills and legislation that favor big business over small businesses and people. All the while in effect subscribing to the same theory that ‘trickle down’ economics works without ever coming out and saying so. To vocalize that they are pro union and worker protection but standing by and doing nothing but throwing up their hands while Rs strip said protections away. Taking huge amounts of money from companies for their re election war chests and pretending that that funding doesn’t sway their decisions. Patting themselves on the back for making horrible republican legislation that was going to pass anyway incrementally better instead of just shutting it down. That’s what I view the term meaning. Is that all Democrats? No is that all people employed by corporations that are Democrats? No. Is there a majority among elected officials with a big blue D out there serving corporations instead of people. Well in my view yes.
Would you include the Democrats that voted for Trump's tax cuts in that assessment? Because that number is precisely zero. So who are these mythical corporate Democrats? And what are the bills they voted for in the recent past? Name names and bills. There must be some.
And no, I feel no shame. Im a happy corporatist and capitalist under my definition.
Be sure you include an assessment of the Card Act, Dodd Frank, ACA, 2009 Stimulus when you start the smear.
That’s not pointless at all. Not only does Bernie need to endorse Sleepy Woke Joe, he needs to heartily endorse him and actively campaign for him. But I won’t hold my breath.
The constant repeating is pointless and boring.
Not so boring that it didn’t engage you now, right? State your case. Make your point. Defend it. But please stop complaining.
Boring
Weak. And frightened.
Haaaa. Sure thing pal. Not a chance. Here’s my point.
What Bernie is doing is stupid. I agree. I really do. We are divided enough. To create division within your own party is insane to me. But those posts come off as pretentious. Which will create further division. A Bernie supporter who sees those constant posts will get deterred. And doesn’t that defeat the whole purpose? Isn’t it supposed to be unite to defeat trump? Nobody like to be spoken to like that.
You could have said that in your first response and maybe not have been so bored?
To your point, if a Berniebrosis is going to determine how they vote based on what a poster on a band’s message board says, or from a twitter feed or faceturd threads and posts, then there really is no hope. Bernie should now be trying to convince his followers as hard as possible to do the right thing and get behind Biden and get Team Trump Treason out of the White House. And until that happens or until Berniebrosises pull the lever for Sleepy Woke Joe, they’re nothing more than DINOs and illustrate that they really don’t care about the ideals they claim to be champions of, scorn, arrogance and sexual harassment notwithstanding in their way of politicking.
Facts Matter--
1) Shaming fellow voters didn't work in 2016...
2) Thinking Progressives just follow Bernie blindly is shallow thinking... (see #1 again)
3) It's the candidates job to convince voters in order to win a particular sector of the electorate... (see #1 again)
4) A "Corporate Democrat" doesn't mean you're a supporter of the Democratic Party that works for a Corporation... I'd use rollings eyes on this one, but it would be rude... (see #1 again)
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How about you define a corporate democrat for me since MyYoung won’t answer. Also, why is okay for Sanders and supporters to insult Democrats but “shaming voters” is not okay?
Is corporate democrat a term that makes you feel shame. I think it’s a statement. My understanding and this is my own I don’t know if it is bernies or other sanders supporters is that corporate Democrat is the type of neo liberal that though slightly more socially liberal than republicans tends to favor and create bills and legislation that favor big business over small businesses and people. All the while in effect subscribing to the same theory that ‘trickle down’ economics works without ever coming out and saying so. To vocalize that they are pro union and worker protection but standing by and doing nothing but throwing up their hands while Rs strip said protections away. Taking huge amounts of money from companies for their re election war chests and pretending that that funding doesn’t sway their decisions. Patting themselves on the back for making horrible republican legislation that was going to pass anyway incrementally better instead of just shutting it down. That’s what I view the term meaning. Is that all Democrats? No is that all people employed by corporations that are Democrats? No. Is there a majority among elected officials with a big blue D out there serving corporations instead of people. Well in my view yes.
Would you include the Democrats that voted for Trump's tax cuts in that assessment? Because that number is precisely zero. So who are these mythical corporate Democrats? And what are the bills they voted for in the recent past? Name names and bills. There must be some.
And no, I feel no shame. Im a happy corporatist and capitalist under my definition.
Be sure you include an assessment of the Card Act, Dodd Frank, ACA, 2009 Stimulus when you start the smear.
So you are saying there are no Dems that are influenced by gobs of money? I don’t think it is a smear to state that people taking huge sums of money aren’t going to be swayed by the hand that gives them that money. It’s naive to think otherwise. So they didn’t vote for trumps tax cuts good for them That sounds like a proverbial pat on the back to me.
That’s not pointless at all. Not only does Bernie need to endorse Sleepy Woke Joe, he needs to heartily endorse him and actively campaign for him. But I won’t hold my breath.
The constant repeating is pointless and boring.
Not so boring that it didn’t engage you now, right? State your case. Make your point. Defend it. But please stop complaining.
Boring
Weak. And frightened.
Haaaa. Sure thing pal. Not a chance. Here’s my point.
What Bernie is doing is stupid. I agree. I really do. We are divided enough. To create division within your own party is insane to me. But those posts come off as pretentious. Which will create further division. A Bernie supporter who sees those constant posts will get deterred. And doesn’t that defeat the whole purpose? Isn’t it supposed to be unite to defeat trump? Nobody like to be spoken to like that.
You could have said that in your first response and maybe not have been so bored?
To your point, if a Berniebrosis is going to determine how they vote based on what a poster on a band’s message board says, or from a twitter feed or faceturd threads and posts, then there really is no hope. Bernie should now be trying to convince his followers as hard as possible to do the right thing and get behind Biden and get Team Trump Treason out of the White House. And until that happens or until Berniebrosises pull the lever for Sleepy Woke Joe, they’re nothing more than DINOs and illustrate that they really don’t care about the ideals they claim to be champions of, scorn, arrogance and sexual harassment notwithstanding in their way of politicking.
Facts Matter--
1) Shaming fellow voters didn't work in 2016...
2) Thinking Progressives just follow Bernie blindly is shallow thinking... (see #1 again)
3) It's the candidates job to convince voters in order to win a particular sector of the electorate... (see #1 again)
4) A "Corporate Democrat" doesn't mean you're a supporter of the Democratic Party that works for a Corporation... I'd use rollings eyes on this one, but it would be rude... (see #1 again)
So what's the official Bernie Sanders pejorative definition of a corporate Democrat?
Edit - and isn't Sanders and company shaming fellow Democrats by employing that term?
I am actually starting to get a little frustrated with Biden. I know he is sending out videos but I hardly see them getting coverage. I understand he will never be able to compete with the orange master at using the bully pulpit but democrats better start to figure out quick how to get some attention at what their ideas are to get out of this mess.
My suggestion would be for Biden and some of the governors to hold a joint press conference a few times each week and model it after how Cuomo does his pressers. Schedule them for 90 minutes after Trumps pressers are scheduled to start and title the Democratic Solutions to the covid crisis.
They should present a bullet point plan, similar to how Cuomo presents facts and figures. Make the argument that the decisions to reopen should be based on scientific analysis of safety and should be gradual, not some orange idiot pontificating and rambling about his feelings for two hours.
It’s too quiet on the Democratic side. It’s time for the governors and Biden to band together and be heard. Even Pelosi.
Only problem I see is that Biden can’t talk coherently for any real length of time.
That’s not pointless at all. Not only does Bernie need to endorse Sleepy Woke Joe, he needs to heartily endorse him and actively campaign for him. But I won’t hold my breath.
The constant repeating is pointless and boring.
Not so boring that it didn’t engage you now, right? State your case. Make your point. Defend it. But please stop complaining.
Boring
Weak. And frightened.
Haaaa. Sure thing pal. Not a chance. Here’s my point.
What Bernie is doing is stupid. I agree. I really do. We are divided enough. To create division within your own party is insane to me. But those posts come off as pretentious. Which will create further division. A Bernie supporter who sees those constant posts will get deterred. And doesn’t that defeat the whole purpose? Isn’t it supposed to be unite to defeat trump? Nobody like to be spoken to like that.
You could have said that in your first response and maybe not have been so bored?
To your point, if a Berniebrosis is going to determine how they vote based on what a poster on a band’s message board says, or from a twitter feed or faceturd threads and posts, then there really is no hope. Bernie should now be trying to convince his followers as hard as possible to do the right thing and get behind Biden and get Team Trump Treason out of the White House. And until that happens or until Berniebrosises pull the lever for Sleepy Woke Joe, they’re nothing more than DINOs and illustrate that they really don’t care about the ideals they claim to be champions of, scorn, arrogance and sexual harassment notwithstanding in their way of politicking.
Facts Matter--
1) Shaming fellow voters didn't work in 2016...
2) Thinking Progressives just follow Bernie blindly is shallow thinking... (see #1 again)
3) It's the candidates job to convince voters in order to win a particular sector of the electorate... (see #1 again)
4) A "Corporate Democrat" doesn't mean you're a supporter of the Democratic Party that works for a Corporation... I'd use rollings eyes on this one, but it would be rude... (see #1 again)
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How about you define a corporate democrat for me since MyYoung won’t answer. Also, why is okay for Sanders and supporters to insult Democrats but “shaming voters” is not okay?
Is corporate democrat a term that makes you feel shame. I think it’s a statement. My understanding and this is my own I don’t know if it is bernies or other sanders supporters is that corporate Democrat is the type of neo liberal that though slightly more socially liberal than republicans tends to favor and create bills and legislation that favor big business over small businesses and people. All the while in effect subscribing to the same theory that ‘trickle down’ economics works without ever coming out and saying so. To vocalize that they are pro union and worker protection but standing by and doing nothing but throwing up their hands while Rs strip said protections away. Taking huge amounts of money from companies for their re election war chests and pretending that that funding doesn’t sway their decisions. Patting themselves on the back for making horrible republican legislation that was going to pass anyway incrementally better instead of just shutting it down. That’s what I view the term meaning. Is that all Democrats? No is that all people employed by corporations that are Democrats? No. Is there a majority among elected officials with a big blue D out there serving corporations instead of people. Well in my view yes.
Would you include the Democrats that voted for Trump's tax cuts in that assessment? Because that number is precisely zero. So who are these mythical corporate Democrats? And what are the bills they voted for in the recent past? Name names and bills. There must be some.
And no, I feel no shame. Im a happy corporatist and capitalist under my definition.
Be sure you include an assessment of the Card Act, Dodd Frank, ACA, 2009 Stimulus when you start the smear.
So you are saying there are no Dems that are influenced by gobs of money? I don’t think it is a smear to state that people taking huge sums of money aren’t going to be swayed by the hand that gives them that money. It’s naive to think otherwise. So they didn’t vote for trumps tax cuts good for them That sounds like a proverbial pat on the back to me.
I can't say who is influenced by what, I can only see what they vote for and against. I also know that I've not heard any Democrat say they support the overturning of McCain-Feingold either. Historically I would have followed up with teh statement that unfortunately you need money to compete in this system, but in this crazy world, Joe Biden just showed us that an underfunded candidate with a long and distinguished career as a public servant can smoke the candidate with all the resources and all the money. I guess we learned who the 'man of the people' really is. Back to the point, I still don't know who these corporate Dems are. Seems to me it's just a progressive boogeyman..sort of like Mexican rapists I guess.
I still don't understand the anti-Hillary stuff but I don't think we are stupid enough to make this mistake again.
Trump barely squeaked by to begin with. Now he has a record and the ads against him are going to be brutal.
I'm honestly surprised he wants four more years but I really do think he knows he is fucked as soon as he leaves office. I'm still thinking he will resign in order to let Pence pardon him.
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She's a Manchurian candidate, btw. The Hill is run by a right wing billionaire close to Trump. Krystal Ball and the other 'progressives' have done nothing but try to split the party the entire season. Wake up.
Second, this statement is bullshit. The second half is true, the first part is her own BS. Corporations act for one reason alone: to maximize executive salaries and shareholder value. They don’t act to maximize value to you, or to be loyal to a nation, or to promote tolerance or any other lovely thing. Corporations are there to make money for their wealthy execs and wealthy shareholders.
Corps do exist to maximize shareholder value. And who are those shareholders? Mutual funds, individual investors, employees who receive options and grants, or that have their 401ks invested in teh company. You know the 80% of most companies that are middle class. Corporations are made up of employees, not cyborgs. She doesn't have a fucking clue because she doesn't actually work for a functional corporation. How does she know what happens? What experience does this girl have in that world? None. Zero. She's been in media for her entire ten year career.
She's a Manchurian candidate, btw. The Hill is run by a right wing billionaire close to Trump. Krystal Ball and the other 'progressives' have done nothing but try to split the party the entire season. Wake up.
Second, this statement is bullshit. The second half is true, the first part is her own BS. Corporations act for one reason alone: to maximize executive salaries and shareholder value. They don’t act to maximize value to you, or to be loyal to a nation, or to promote tolerance or any other lovely thing. Corporations are there to make money for their wealthy execs and wealthy shareholders.
Corps do exist to maximize shareholder value. And who are those shareholders? Mutual funds, individual investors, employees who receive options and grants, or that have their 401ks invested in teh company. You know the 80% of most companies that are middle class. Corporations are made up of employees, not cyborgs. She doesn't have a fucking clue because she doesn't actually work for a functional corporation. How does she know what happens? What experience does this girl have in that world? None. Zero. She's been in media for her entire ten year career.
Let’s not forget that 50% of Americans don’t have a stake in the stock market.
She's a Manchurian candidate, btw. The Hill is run by a right wing billionaire close to Trump. Krystal Ball and the other 'progressives' have done nothing but try to split the party the entire season. Wake up.
Second, this statement is bullshit. The second half is true, the first part is her own BS. Corporations act for one reason alone: to maximize executive salaries and shareholder value. They don’t act to maximize value to you, or to be loyal to a nation, or to promote tolerance or any other lovely thing. Corporations are there to make money for their wealthy execs and wealthy shareholders.
Corps do exist to maximize shareholder value. And who are those shareholders? Mutual funds, individual investors, employees who receive options and grants, or that have their 401ks invested in teh company. You know the 80% of most companies that are middle class. Corporations are made up of employees, not cyborgs. She doesn't have a fucking clue because she doesn't actually work for a functional corporation. How does she know what happens? What experience does this girl have in that world? None. Zero. She's been in media for her entire ten year career.
Let’s not forget that 50% of Americans don’t have a stake in the stock market.
I understand that, although I don't know how true that actually is. In other words, if I don't have a stake and but my wife has a 1MM 401k.. or if you have a pension. So I'm guessing that number is a bit inflated. Regardless, the point I was making is that corporations are made up of actual workers, the vast majority of which go to work, pay their bills, sock away 6% if they can, etc. And corporations, by and large, pay a higher salary than small businesses and have better benefits. It's not really close either. The narrative about how evil they are is generally BS.
She's a Manchurian candidate, btw. The Hill is run by a right wing billionaire close to Trump. Krystal Ball and the other 'progressives' have done nothing but try to split the party the entire season. Wake up.
Second, this statement is bullshit. The second half is true, the first part is her own BS. Corporations act for one reason alone: to maximize executive salaries and shareholder value. They don’t act to maximize value to you, or to be loyal to a nation, or to promote tolerance or any other lovely thing. Corporations are there to make money for their wealthy execs and wealthy shareholders.
Corps do exist to maximize shareholder value. And who are those shareholders? Mutual funds, individual investors, employees who receive options and grants, or that have their 401ks invested in teh company. You know the 80% of most companies that are middle class. Corporations are made up of employees, not cyborgs. She doesn't have a fucking clue because she doesn't actually work for a functional corporation. How does she know what happens? What experience does this girl have in that world? None. Zero. She's been in media for her entire ten year career.
Let’s not forget that 50% of Americans don’t have a stake in the stock market.
I understand that, although I don't know how true that actually is. In other words, if I don't have a stake and but my wife has a 1MM 401k.. or if you have a pension. So I'm guessing that number is a bit inflated. Regardless, the point I was making is that corporations are made up of actual workers, the vast majority of which go to work, pay their bills, sock away 6% if they can, etc. And corporations, by and large, pay a higher salary than small businesses and have better benefits. It's not really close either. The narrative about how evil they are is generally BS.
I was making that comment in the sense that if more Americans were invested in the stock market, however, they might have a greater say as shareholders and voters, but you know, consume now, retirement and financial stability via savings is too far away and too hard.
I don’t believe all corporations are evil but certainly many could be better. As a dem, you can’t rail against corporations and expect to win elections, as all your doing is alienating the voters who work for corporations and losing the evil fundraising race, thanks be to citizens united. Both sides are the same.
She's a Manchurian candidate, btw. The Hill is run by a right wing billionaire close to Trump. Krystal Ball and the other 'progressives' have done nothing but try to split the party the entire season. Wake up.
Second, this statement is bullshit. The second half is true, the first part is her own BS. Corporations act for one reason alone: to maximize executive salaries and shareholder value. They don’t act to maximize value to you, or to be loyal to a nation, or to promote tolerance or any other lovely thing. Corporations are there to make money for their wealthy execs and wealthy shareholders.
Corps do exist to maximize shareholder value. And who are those shareholders? Mutual funds, individual investors, employees who receive options and grants, or that have their 401ks invested in teh company. You know the 80% of most companies that are middle class. Corporations are made up of employees, not cyborgs. She doesn't have a fucking clue because she doesn't actually work for a functional corporation. How does she know what happens? What experience does this girl have in that world? None. Zero. She's been in media for her entire ten year career.
Let’s not forget that 50% of Americans don’t have a stake in the stock market.
I understand that, although I don't know how true that actually is. In other words, if I don't have a stake and but my wife has a 1MM 401k.. or if you have a pension. So I'm guessing that number is a bit inflated. Regardless, the point I was making is that corporations are made up of actual workers, the vast majority of which go to work, pay their bills, sock away 6% if they can, etc. And corporations, by and large, pay a higher salary than small businesses and have better benefits. It's not really close either. The narrative about how evil they are is generally BS.
I was making that comment in the sense that if more Americans were invested in the stock market, however, they might have a greater say as shareholders and voters, but you know, consume now, retirement and financial stability via savings is too far away and too hard.
I don’t believe all corporations are evil but certainly many could be better. As a dem, you can’t rail against corporations and expect to win elections, as all your doing is alienating the voters who work for corporations and losing the evil fundraising race, thanks be to citizens united. Both sides are the same.
Completely agree. Don't think Sanders railing against corporations didn't drive away middle class voters. People know who pays their bills.
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That’s not pointless at all. Not only does Bernie need to endorse Sleepy Woke Joe, he needs to heartily endorse him and actively campaign for him. But I won’t hold my breath.
The constant repeating is pointless and boring.
Not so boring that it didn’t engage you now, right? State your case. Make your point. Defend it. But please stop complaining.
Boring
Weak. And frightened.
Haaaa. Sure thing pal. Not a chance. Here’s my point.
What Bernie is doing is stupid. I agree. I really do. We are divided enough. To create division within your own party is insane to me. But those posts come off as pretentious. Which will create further division. A Bernie supporter who sees those constant posts will get deterred. And doesn’t that defeat the whole purpose? Isn’t it supposed to be unite to defeat trump? Nobody like to be spoken to like that.
You could have said that in your first response and maybe not have been so bored?
To your point, if a Berniebrosis is going to determine how they vote based on what a poster on a band’s message board says, or from a twitter feed or faceturd threads and posts, then there really is no hope. Bernie should now be trying to convince his followers as hard as possible to do the right thing and get behind Biden and get Team Trump Treason out of the White House. And until that happens or until Berniebrosises pull the lever for Sleepy Woke Joe, they’re nothing more than DINOs and illustrate that they really don’t care about the ideals they claim to be champions of, scorn, arrogance and sexual harassment notwithstanding in their way of politicking.
Facts Matter--
1) Shaming fellow voters didn't work in 2016...
2) Thinking Progressives just follow Bernie blindly is shallow thinking... (see #1 again)
3) It's the candidates job to convince voters in order to win a particular sector of the electorate... (see #1 again)
4) A "Corporate Democrat" doesn't mean you're a supporter of the Democratic Party that works for a Corporation... I'd use rollings eyes on this one, but it would be rude... (see #1 again)
So what's the official Bernie Sanders pejorative definition of a corporate Democrat?
Edit - and isn't Sanders and company shaming fellow Democrats by employing that term?
I am actually starting to get a little frustrated with Biden. I know he is sending out videos but I hardly see them getting coverage. I understand he will never be able to compete with the orange master at using the bully pulpit but democrats better start to figure out quick how to get some attention at what their ideas are to get out of this mess.
My suggestion would be for Biden and some of the governors to hold a joint press conference a few times each week and model it after how Cuomo does his pressers. Schedule them for 90 minutes after Trumps pressers are scheduled to start and title the Democratic Solutions to the covid crisis.
They should present a bullet point plan, similar to how Cuomo presents facts and figures. Make the argument that the decisions to reopen should be based on scientific analysis of safety and should be gradual, not some orange idiot pontificating and rambling about his feelings for two hours.
It’s too quiet on the Democratic side. It’s time for the governors and Biden to band together and be heard. Even Pelosi.
I don't know. I think the correct plan, right now, is to hunker down and let Trump continue to dig his own grave. We have a national crisis and his approval numbers are still in the mid 40's and starting to go back down. Any other president would easily be in the 70%-80% range at this point .
Still have a long way to go, but early head to head numbers and even numbers in battleground states show Biden stacking up better than most challengers going back to Truman.
That’s not pointless at all. Not only does Bernie need to endorse Sleepy Woke Joe, he needs to heartily endorse him and actively campaign for him. But I won’t hold my breath.
The constant repeating is pointless and boring.
Not so boring that it didn’t engage you now, right? State your case. Make your point. Defend it. But please stop complaining.
Boring
Weak. And frightened.
Haaaa. Sure thing pal. Not a chance. Here’s my point.
What Bernie is doing is stupid. I agree. I really do. We are divided enough. To create division within your own party is insane to me. But those posts come off as pretentious. Which will create further division. A Bernie supporter who sees those constant posts will get deterred. And doesn’t that defeat the whole purpose? Isn’t it supposed to be unite to defeat trump? Nobody like to be spoken to like that.
You could have said that in your first response and maybe not have been so bored?
To your point, if a Berniebrosis is going to determine how they vote based on what a poster on a band’s message board says, or from a twitter feed or faceturd threads and posts, then there really is no hope. Bernie should now be trying to convince his followers as hard as possible to do the right thing and get behind Biden and get Team Trump Treason out of the White House. And until that happens or until Berniebrosises pull the lever for Sleepy Woke Joe, they’re nothing more than DINOs and illustrate that they really don’t care about the ideals they claim to be champions of, scorn, arrogance and sexual harassment notwithstanding in their way of politicking.
Facts Matter--
1) Shaming fellow voters didn't work in 2016...
2) Thinking Progressives just follow Bernie blindly is shallow thinking... (see #1 again)
3) It's the candidates job to convince voters in order to win a particular sector of the electorate... (see #1 again)
4) A "Corporate Democrat" doesn't mean you're a supporter of the Democratic Party that works for a Corporation... I'd use rollings eyes on this one, but it would be rude... (see #1 again)
Did I say “progressives follow Bernie blindly?” No, I said any Berniebrosises that determine how they vote based on this website or any other social media post is an indicator of how fucked we are. And, if you can’t see the choice before you and the ramifications of that choice, ie the bigger picture, then you’re (you in the general sense) are a DINO and part of the problem.
Interesting that you use the term “progressive” and not democrat. Why is that? Maybe it’s time you Berniebrosises started your own damn political party and stop trying to hijack the dems and complain when it fails? Infuckingsufferable.
Politics is a rude game. Get used to it. See the snake emoji for context.
I never said you.... I use the term Progressive in that sentence, because it's not a political party....
but you quoted me in your response and numbered your counter argument as if you were replying directly to me.
Can progressives support Sleepy woke joe? Because if progressives are going to be so “pure,” they need to start their own political party.
sorry... quoted conversation... but if you wanna own it.. Did shame work in 2016?
So your idea is "Love it or Leave it!" "Agree with me or get the fuck out!"... Sorry, but I prefer to work to make it better for all...
You want even more partisanship within your own party? Not a winning strategy...
The Bernie suppporters don’t seem to want to work within the dem party nor to rally around “their party’s” nominee, so yea, leave and don’t fuck it up for us true dems.
Shame of who? Bernie supporters who’s candidate lost? Or the Deplorables? How should we refer to Team Trump Treason supporters? I’m still with Hillary. Seems you never were? I have no problem “owning it.”
You can’t even begin to “work to make it better for all,” if you can’t rally around and behind the party that you claim as your own, or more likely have decided to hijack because it’s easier than starting your own pure as the driven snow party.
Back to facts, after the past three and a half years and seeing how Team Trump Treason and his administration have conducted themselves, that anyone would pull the lever for him or need convincing from the opposition candidate before voting is a cop out and to claim ignorance of the facts. That’s partisanship for you.
You can’t see the forest for the weeds. Good luck with that.
Why the hostility? I wouldn't vote for that douchebag ever...
Relax... Have a nice day!
I’m sorry that you find reality hostile.
Relax, have a great day! 💯
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That’s not pointless at all. Not only does Bernie need to endorse Sleepy Woke Joe, he needs to heartily endorse him and actively campaign for him. But I won’t hold my breath.
The constant repeating is pointless and boring.
Not so boring that it didn’t engage you now, right? State your case. Make your point. Defend it. But please stop complaining.
Boring
Weak. And frightened.
Haaaa. Sure thing pal. Not a chance. Here’s my point.
What Bernie is doing is stupid. I agree. I really do. We are divided enough. To create division within your own party is insane to me. But those posts come off as pretentious. Which will create further division. A Bernie supporter who sees those constant posts will get deterred. And doesn’t that defeat the whole purpose? Isn’t it supposed to be unite to defeat trump? Nobody like to be spoken to like that.
You could have said that in your first response and maybe not have been so bored?
To your point, if a Berniebrosis is going to determine how they vote based on what a poster on a band’s message board says, or from a twitter feed or faceturd threads and posts, then there really is no hope. Bernie should now be trying to convince his followers as hard as possible to do the right thing and get behind Biden and get Team Trump Treason out of the White House. And until that happens or until Berniebrosises pull the lever for Sleepy Woke Joe, they’re nothing more than DINOs and illustrate that they really don’t care about the ideals they claim to be champions of, scorn, arrogance and sexual harassment notwithstanding in their way of politicking.
Facts Matter--
1) Shaming fellow voters didn't work in 2016...
2) Thinking Progressives just follow Bernie blindly is shallow thinking... (see #1 again)
3) It's the candidates job to convince voters in order to win a particular sector of the electorate... (see #1 again)
4) A "Corporate Democrat" doesn't mean you're a supporter of the Democratic Party that works for a Corporation... I'd use rollings eyes on this one, but it would be rude... (see #1 again)
So what's the official Bernie Sanders pejorative definition of a corporate Democrat?
Edit - and isn't Sanders and company shaming fellow Democrats by employing that term?
I am actually starting to get a little frustrated with Biden. I know he is sending out videos but I hardly see them getting coverage. I understand he will never be able to compete with the orange master at using the bully pulpit but democrats better start to figure out quick how to get some attention at what their ideas are to get out of this mess.
My suggestion would be for Biden and some of the governors to hold a joint press conference a few times each week and model it after how Cuomo does his pressers. Schedule them for 90 minutes after Trumps pressers are scheduled to start and title the Democratic Solutions to the covid crisis.
They should present a bullet point plan, similar to how Cuomo presents facts and figures. Make the argument that the decisions to reopen should be based on scientific analysis of safety and should be gradual, not some orange idiot pontificating and rambling about his feelings for two hours.
It’s too quiet on the Democratic side. It’s time for the governors and Biden to band together and be heard. Even Pelosi.
I don't know. I think the correct plan, right now, is to hunker down and let Trump continue to dig his own grave. We have a national crisis and his approval numbers are still in the mid 40's and starting to go back down. Any other president would easily be in the 70%-80% range at this point .
Still have a long way to go, but early head to head numbers and even numbers in battleground states show Biden stacking up better than most challengers going back to Truman.
I think both arguments have merit. Trump isn't doing himself any favors by going on TV every day. His numbers are tanking. If Biden tries to compete, that just gives Trump a target and something to focus on during his briefings.
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That’s not pointless at all. Not only does Bernie need to endorse Sleepy Woke Joe, he needs to heartily endorse him and actively campaign for him. But I won’t hold my breath.
The constant repeating is pointless and boring.
Not so boring that it didn’t engage you now, right? State your case. Make your point. Defend it. But please stop complaining.
Boring
Weak. And frightened.
Haaaa. Sure thing pal. Not a chance. Here’s my point.
What Bernie is doing is stupid. I agree. I really do. We are divided enough. To create division within your own party is insane to me. But those posts come off as pretentious. Which will create further division. A Bernie supporter who sees those constant posts will get deterred. And doesn’t that defeat the whole purpose? Isn’t it supposed to be unite to defeat trump? Nobody like to be spoken to like that.
You could have said that in your first response and maybe not have been so bored?
To your point, if a Berniebrosis is going to determine how they vote based on what a poster on a band’s message board says, or from a twitter feed or faceturd threads and posts, then there really is no hope. Bernie should now be trying to convince his followers as hard as possible to do the right thing and get behind Biden and get Team Trump Treason out of the White House. And until that happens or until Berniebrosises pull the lever for Sleepy Woke Joe, they’re nothing more than DINOs and illustrate that they really don’t care about the ideals they claim to be champions of, scorn, arrogance and sexual harassment notwithstanding in their way of politicking.
Facts Matter--
1) Shaming fellow voters didn't work in 2016...
2) Thinking Progressives just follow Bernie blindly is shallow thinking... (see #1 again)
3) It's the candidates job to convince voters in order to win a particular sector of the electorate... (see #1 again)
4) A "Corporate Democrat" doesn't mean you're a supporter of the Democratic Party that works for a Corporation... I'd use rollings eyes on this one, but it would be rude... (see #1 again)
So what's the official Bernie Sanders pejorative definition of a corporate Democrat?
Edit - and isn't Sanders and company shaming fellow Democrats by employing that term?
I am actually starting to get a little frustrated with Biden. I know he is sending out videos but I hardly see them getting coverage. I understand he will never be able to compete with the orange master at using the bully pulpit but democrats better start to figure out quick how to get some attention at what their ideas are to get out of this mess.
My suggestion would be for Biden and some of the governors to hold a joint press conference a few times each week and model it after how Cuomo does his pressers. Schedule them for 90 minutes after Trumps pressers are scheduled to start and title the Democratic Solutions to the covid crisis.
They should present a bullet point plan, similar to how Cuomo presents facts and figures. Make the argument that the decisions to reopen should be based on scientific analysis of safety and should be gradual, not some orange idiot pontificating and rambling about his feelings for two hours.
It’s too quiet on the Democratic side. It’s time for the governors and Biden to band together and be heard. Even Pelosi.
I don't know. I think the correct plan, right now, is to hunker down and let Trump continue to dig his own grave. We have a national crisis and his approval numbers are still in the mid 40's and starting to go back down. Any other president would easily be in the 70%-80% range at this point .
Still have a long way to go, but early head to head numbers and even numbers in battleground states show Biden stacking up better than most challengers going back to Truman.
I think both arguments have merit. Trump isn't doing himself any favors by going on TV every day. His numbers are tanking. If Biden tries to compete, that just gives Trump a target and something to focus on during his briefings.
Yeah. The "statesmanlike" thing to do is step aside a bit during something like this, I would think. It is frustrating not having a large voice right now, but it's a weird time...
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That’s not pointless at all. Not only does Bernie need to endorse Sleepy Woke Joe, he needs to heartily endorse him and actively campaign for him. But I won’t hold my breath.
The constant repeating is pointless and boring.
Not so boring that it didn’t engage you now, right? State your case. Make your point. Defend it. But please stop complaining.
Boring
Weak. And frightened.
Haaaa. Sure thing pal. Not a chance. Here’s my point.
What Bernie is doing is stupid. I agree. I really do. We are divided enough. To create division within your own party is insane to me. But those posts come off as pretentious. Which will create further division. A Bernie supporter who sees those constant posts will get deterred. And doesn’t that defeat the whole purpose? Isn’t it supposed to be unite to defeat trump? Nobody like to be spoken to like that.
You could have said that in your first response and maybe not have been so bored?
To your point, if a Berniebrosis is going to determine how they vote based on what a poster on a band’s message board says, or from a twitter feed or faceturd threads and posts, then there really is no hope. Bernie should now be trying to convince his followers as hard as possible to do the right thing and get behind Biden and get Team Trump Treason out of the White House. And until that happens or until Berniebrosises pull the lever for Sleepy Woke Joe, they’re nothing more than DINOs and illustrate that they really don’t care about the ideals they claim to be champions of, scorn, arrogance and sexual harassment notwithstanding in their way of politicking.
Facts Matter--
1) Shaming fellow voters didn't work in 2016...
2) Thinking Progressives just follow Bernie blindly is shallow thinking... (see #1 again)
3) It's the candidates job to convince voters in order to win a particular sector of the electorate... (see #1 again)
4) A "Corporate Democrat" doesn't mean you're a supporter of the Democratic Party that works for a Corporation... I'd use rollings eyes on this one, but it would be rude... (see #1 again)
Did I say “progressives follow Bernie blindly?” No, I said any Berniebrosises that determine how they vote based on this website or any other social media post is an indicator of how fucked we are. And, if you can’t see the choice before you and the ramifications of that choice, ie the bigger picture, then you’re (you in the general sense) are a DINO and part of the problem.
Interesting that you use the term “progressive” and not democrat. Why is that? Maybe it’s time you Berniebrosises started your own damn political party and stop trying to hijack the dems and complain when it fails? Infuckingsufferable.
Politics is a rude game. Get used to it. See the snake emoji for context.
I never said you.... I use the term Progressive in that sentence, because it's not a political party....
but you quoted me in your response and numbered your counter argument as if you were replying directly to me.
Can progressives support Sleepy woke joe? Because if progressives are going to be so “pure,” they need to start their own political party.
sorry... quoted conversation... but if you wanna own it.. Did shame work in 2016?
So your idea is "Love it or Leave it!" "Agree with me or get the fuck out!"... Sorry, but I prefer to work to make it better for all...
You want even more partisanship within your own party? Not a winning strategy...
The Berniebrosises don’t seem to want to work within the dem party nor to rally around “their party’s” nominee, so yea, leave and don’t fuck it up for us true dems.
Shame of who? Bernie supporters who’s candidate lost? Or the Deplorables? How should we refer to Team Trump Treason supporters? I’m still with Hillary. Seems you never were? I have no problem “owning it.”
You can’t even begin to “work to make it better for all,” if you can’t rally around and behind the party that you claim as your own, or more likely have decided to hijack because it’s easier than starting your own pure as the driven snow party.
Back to facts, after the past three and a half years and seeing how Team Trump Treason and his administration have conducted themselves, that anyone would pull the lever for him or need convincing from the opposition candidate before voting is a cop out and to claim ignorance of the facts. That’s partisanship for you.
You can’t see the forest for the weeds. Good luck with that.
Why the hostility? I wouldn't vote for that douchebag ever...
Relax... Have a nice day!
I’m sorry that you find reality hostile.
Relax, have a great day! 💯
Feel better getting that jab in?
Hope so... Have a Nice Day!
You were apparently being threatened by some kind of hostility while all I was doing was expressing reality. Why so hostile, bro?
No more than you feeling the “hostility.” Have a great night! 💯
She's a Manchurian candidate, btw. The Hill is run by a right wing billionaire close to Trump. Krystal Ball and the other 'progressives' have done nothing but try to split the party the entire season. Wake up.
Second, this statement is bullshit. The second half is true, the first part is her own BS. Corporations act for one reason alone: to maximize executive salaries and shareholder value. They don’t act to maximize value to you, or to be loyal to a nation, or to promote tolerance or any other lovely thing. Corporations are there to make money for their wealthy execs and wealthy shareholders.
Corps do exist to maximize shareholder value. And who are those shareholders? Mutual funds, individual investors, employees who receive options and grants, or that have their 401ks invested in teh company. You know the 80% of most companies that are middle class. Corporations are made up of employees, not cyborgs. She doesn't have a fucking clue because she doesn't actually work for a functional corporation. How does she know what happens? What experience does this girl have in that world? None. Zero. She's been in media for her entire ten year career.
Let’s not forget that 50% of Americans don’t have a stake in the stock market.
I understand that, although I don't know how true that actually is. In other words, if I don't have a stake and but my wife has a 1MM 401k.. or if you have a pension. So I'm guessing that number is a bit inflated. Regardless, the point I was making is that corporations are made up of actual workers, the vast majority of which go to work, pay their bills, sock away 6% if they can, etc. And corporations, by and large, pay a higher salary than small businesses and have better benefits. It's not really close either. The narrative about how evil they are is generally BS.
I was making that comment in the sense that if more Americans were invested in the stock market, however, they might have a greater say as shareholders and voters, but you know, consume now, retirement and financial stability via savings is too far away and too hard.
I don’t believe all corporations are evil but certainly many could be better. As a dem, you can’t rail against corporations and expect to win elections, as all your doing is alienating the voters who work for corporations and losing the evil fundraising race, thanks be to citizens united. Both sides are the same.
Hard to save for the future when the bills of today take up all of your money leaving you barely enough to cover an emergency. One of the reasons low wages exist is because these wonderful corporations export their capital to other countries so that they can pay labor less in other markets. The day that corporations treat the labor and workers of the world on an equal footing is the day I will have more trust. Sadly at the rate things are going it looks like that may happen the wrong way, by exploiting workers and rather than raise the wages of the most vulnerable in the global economy lowering them in so called first world labor markets. Largely insulated white collar workers will likely call this progress and the inability to adapt to a changing market. We can’t all be CEO’s and cfo’s. By allowing capital but not labor to freely cross markets big corporations have the upper hand and rarely do more than the absolute minimum required. Capitalism can still be profitable and take care of workers in America and globally. It just means limiting the upward flow of wealth.
As far as Mrussel1s article about the average wages between small businesses and large corps, what is the baseline and what are those jobs? And 10,000 though a considerable sum doesn’t go very far in today’s economy especially depending where you live, hardly a check mark in the corporations are a friend of the common man column. It really seems like a Republican lite argument.
10k salary difference isn't much? You're talking out of both sides of the mouth.
I fully support bringing manufacturing back. Just be ready to pay 2 to 3x for consumer goods. I can afford it but hope about the blue collar workers? Are they ready to pay 2500 for a 50 inch tv?
Also, the article detailed the comparison salaries between small and big business. I don't understand your baseline question.
Regardless of income, someone should save at least 10% of net pay per week and save it and forget about it. From their very first job on. Direct deposit into an account that you don’t have an ATM card to and have to physically go into a branch and withdraw money. Use it to pay for a car, house down payment, buy stocks, reduce debt or have to tap in an emergency. Live within your means, as difficult as it may be with a goal of getting ahead. A consumer based economy offering 84 months financing on a $45k truck fails society and the consumer. Just say no to keeping up with the Jones’s. My two cents and not for everyone.
Regardless of income, someone should save at least 10% of net pay per week and save it and forget about it. From their very first job on. Direct deposit into an account that you don’t have an ATM card to and have to physically go into a branch and withdraw money. Use it to pay for a car, house down payment, buy stocks, reduce debt or have to tap in an emergency. Live within your means, as difficult as it may be with a goal of getting ahead. A consumer based economy offering 84 months financing on a $45k truck fails society and the consumer. Just say no to keeping up with the Jones’s. My two cents and not for everyone.
10k salary difference isn't much? You're talking out of both sides of the mouth.
I fully support bringing manufacturing back. Just be ready to pay 2 to 3x for consumer goods. I can afford it but hope about the blue collar workers? Are they ready to pay 2500 for a 50 inch tv?
Also, the article detailed the comparison salaries between small and big business. I don't understand your baseline question.
My question is what jobs are they using to produce the baseline salaries? Jobs in general? Office jobs? Manufacturing jobs? Gas station attendants? It doesn’t say what jobs just says jobs.
Going from 40,000 a year to 50,000 a year isn’t going to do much besides give a person a chance to breathe for a second and have a smaller amount of stress. I make more than the average corporate salary as an independent skilled tradesperson. I still remember my days way back making 20k 40k a year etc. you aren’t doing much more than surviving. One common theme was that those 20-40k jobs were more demanding and labor intensive than the position I’ve worked my way up to. The big problems with subsidized corporate capitalism is that the tax cuts and bailouts never seem to make it to the bottom. But without those at the bottom the people at the top could never achieve the exorbitant salaries.
The economy is a game. Baseball is a game. Politics is a game. There are salary caps in sports to assure fairness. Why not salary caps in the biggest games of all that effects people’s lives much more profoundly.
2500 TVs maybe fewer people will buy and be less likely to be brainwashed by their daily programming
I said 10000 doesn’t do much depending where you live. Especially high rent places like NYC, Seattle, San Francisco, Austin etc. Going from 35000 to 45000 basically allows one to still barely get by just a bit more comfortably.
Another point is that the article you referenced points to average wage. Well to keep it simple let’s make up an imaginary company. 9 make 25000 and one makes 150000. That average salary is 37,500. The average salary doesn’t do jack for the workers making 25000.
Getting back to this thread. I am absolutely going to vote for a corporate establishment democrat because The alternative is unacceptable.
This is my last one for the night. I do enjoy going back and forth on these topics with y’all and respect your points of view.
I said 10000 doesn’t do much depending where you live. Especially high rent places like NYC, Seattle, San Francisco, Austin etc. Going from 35000 to 45000 basically allows one to still barely get by just a bit more comfortably.
Another point is that the article you referenced points to average wage. Well to keep it simple let’s make up an imaginary company. 9 make 25000 and one makes 150000. That average salary is 37,500. The average salary doesn’t do jack for the workers making 25000.
Getting back to this thread. I am absolutely going to vote for a corporate establishment democrat because The alternative is unacceptable.
This is my last one for the night. I do enjoy going back and forth on these topics with y’all and respect your points of view.
Without, hopefully belaboring the point, I want to round out the original point. I agree with 80% of what you say, even without discussion. In the end I'd probably agree with more. I don't think corporations are benevolent, and they aren't intended to be so. But neither are small businesses necessarily.
However, the main point is that I consider the term "corporate Democrat" to be a pejorative. I found it insulting and unhelpful from the start. Happy Sunday or Easter, whichever you celebrate.
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And no, I feel no shame. Im a happy corporatist and capitalist under my definition.
Be sure you include an assessment of the Card Act, Dodd Frank, ACA, 2009 Stimulus when you start the smear.
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Back to the point, I still don't know who these corporate Dems are. Seems to me it's just a progressive boogeyman..sort of like Mexican rapists I guess.
Trump barely squeaked by to begin with. Now he has a record and the ads against him are going to be brutal.
I'm honestly surprised he wants four more years but I really do think he knows he is fucked as soon as he leaves office. I'm still thinking he will resign in order to let Pence pardon him.
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Second, this statement is bullshit. The second half is true, the first part is her own BS. Corporations act for one reason alone: to maximize executive salaries and shareholder value. They don’t act to maximize value to you, or to be loyal to a nation, or to promote tolerance or any other lovely thing. Corporations are there to make money for their wealthy execs and wealthy shareholders.
Corps do exist to maximize shareholder value. And who are those shareholders? Mutual funds, individual investors, employees who receive options and grants, or that have their 401ks invested in teh company. You know the 80% of most companies that are middle class.
Corporations are made up of employees, not cyborgs. She doesn't have a fucking clue because she doesn't actually work for a functional corporation. How does she know what happens? What experience does this girl have in that world? None. Zero. She's been in media for her entire ten year career.
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A reminder about the big, bad corps and how much more they pay.
I don’t believe all corporations are evil but certainly many could be better. As a dem, you can’t rail against corporations and expect to win elections, as all your doing is alienating the voters who work for corporations and losing the evil fundraising race, thanks be to citizens united. Both sides are the same.
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Still have a long way to go, but early head to head numbers and even numbers in battleground states show Biden stacking up better than most challengers going back to Truman.
Hope so... Have a Nice Day!
No more than you feeling the “hostility.” Have a great night! 💯
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I fully support bringing manufacturing back. Just be ready to pay 2 to 3x for consumer goods. I can afford it but hope about the blue collar workers? Are they ready to pay 2500 for a 50 inch tv?
Also, the article detailed the comparison salaries between small and big business. I don't understand your baseline question.
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2500 TVs maybe fewer people will buy and be less likely to
be brainwashed by their daily programming
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Getting back to this thread. I am absolutely going to vote for a corporate establishment democrat because The alternative is unacceptable.
There are no kings inside the gates of eden
However, the main point is that I consider the term "corporate Democrat" to be a pejorative. I found it insulting and unhelpful from the start. Happy Sunday or Easter, whichever you celebrate.
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