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BidenLerxst1992 said:brianlux said:mickeyrat said:
That's more like it. Besides, the choice is obvious. I'll take an old man who tells the truth over a pathological liar any day. We should have had a better candidate on both parties, but this is what we have and the choice is an easy one... if you prefer democracy and freedom over tyranny and authoritarian rule, anyway.That video makes me wanna blame his handlers even more. He has the ability to speak publicly, forcefully, and clearly.
Yet his team let him walk right into the lions den, inflict damage to the Democrats like no one else can because they overloaded him with nonsensical facts. He may never again get an audience large enough to undo that damage.We don’t need Biden in a debate to tell us that Trump is a convicted rapist that Trump is a convicted felon 34 times and a liar and on and on… That stuff is nonsense when it comes to a debate. The whole democratic hierarchy has been polluted by the New York Times by MSNBC and the stuff we see here every day on ATM. You can tell Biden was overloaded with too many words, often left to muttering, right into the most viable attack against himself.When it comes to a debate, all that stuff is nonsense. Independent voters know this stuff. Maybe mention it once and move on. It’s not that difficult to talk in a debate for 40 minutes in one and two minute increments. Yet they overloaded him. Yes he is old but they overloaded him with too much data, and he was completely unprepared for that debate
and we’re looking at very possibly Another Trump, presidency.
as I recall you were certain fuckstick was winning 2020.
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BidenLerxst1992 said:brianlux said:mickeyrat said:
That's more like it. Besides, the choice is obvious. I'll take an old man who tells the truth over a pathological liar any day. We should have had a better candidate on both parties, but this is what we have and the choice is an easy one... if you prefer democracy and freedom over tyranny and authoritarian rule, anyway.That video makes me wanna blame his handlers even more. He has the ability to speak publicly, forcefully, and clearly.
Yet his team let him walk right into the lions den, inflict damage to the Democrats like no one else can because they overloaded him with nonsensical facts. He may never again get an audience large enough to undo that damage.We don’t need Biden in a debate to tell us that Trump is a convicted rapist that Trump is a convicted felon 34 times and a liar and on and on… That stuff is nonsense when it comes to a debate. The whole democratic hierarchy has been polluted by the New York Times by MSNBC and the stuff we see here every day on ATM. You can tell Biden was overloaded with too many words, often left to muttering, right into the most viable attack against himself.When it comes to a debate, all that stuff is nonsense. Independent voters know this stuff. Maybe mention it once and move on. It’s not that difficult to talk in a debate for 40 minutes in one and two minute increments. Yet they overloaded him. Yes he is old but they overloaded him with too much data, and he was completely unprepared for that debate
and we’re looking at very possibly Another Trump, presidency.An interesting take, L. I have been baffled by Biden's poor performance in the debate fiasco. I hadn't considered bad coaching.At this point, what makes sense to me is to keep the support for Biden strong. I even went as far as to send what for me is a sizable donation to the Biden campaign yesterday. I have to be honest and say that is not how I like to spend my tithing money. I am way more inclined to give money to carefully selected environmental organizations such as Wildlands Network and the Paul Watson Foundation, as well as social activist organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center. Sending money to politicians goes against my grain. But I feel a strong sense of obligation to support whatever it takes to keep democracy alive and beat Trump.And I want to say to our few Trump supporters here that those of us who are supporting Biden are doing you a huge favor. We are fighting to save your freedom, as well as ours. I'm not going to try to convince you that Biden is the greatest president we've ever had. He's not. But he's the candidate who will continue to preserve democracy rather than turn this country into one under authoritarian rule that would have nothing to do with benefiting you. Authoritarian rulers don't care about you. They only care about their own massive ego and keeping you pinned down with false beliefs and false hopes. I hope one or two of you will consider what is really in your best interest instead of supporting someone who doesn't care one iota about you. That's all I have to say about that.
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I secretly have to laugh a little. I just saw some clips from the Biden - Trump debate. As a Democrat, I am of course shocked. Then played 'Scared of Fear' with lyrics on Spotify. This could just be about Biden...
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BidenI think social media, for all its ills, has made people MORE engaged. Then less engaged out of exhaustion, but then more engaged. Unfortunately, it also likely means they are misinformed.
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I don't see this as a personal attack, Brian. He just disagreed with your position.brianlux said:cincybearcat said:
Interesting passing off the damage baby boomers have done and continue to do on genX, millennial and gen’s apathy…. Bold take.brianlux said:OK, so we have two old farts running for president, one old and decrepit, and one ultra-narcissist anti-democracy nut case. How did we get there and how do we change? Here's what I think: Younger generations, people need to get off their phones, and get off their asses, and get into the real world and start making changes. Others have done that in the past. G.I. generation pulled this country out of the depression and fought for freedom and democracy. Boomers stood up and rallied to put an end to the war in Vietnam. Now it's time for a new generation to get moving and do something. My generation is not going to change anything. There are not enough of us with any gas in the tank anymore. We're old, we're worn out. We're passe. If gen Z and gen X don't get off their phones and get off their asses, this country is going into the shitter for good. It blows my mind that were even talking about Biden and Trump. I mean, really, WTF? Wake up, younger people.You should know by now I have not "passed off damage baby boomers have done". I have been talked about things my generation did right- particularly during the Vietnam war era- but I have also quite often here on these very forums been highly critical of my generation for dropping the ball, for trading in the bold and worthy things boomer stood upon for their pursuit of money and an easy privileged life. You can read all of that in detail in parts of this book:
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I took "passing off the damage baby boomers have done and continue to do on genX, millennial and gen’s apathy…. Bold take" as personal. But I'm over it, moving on. We have more important things to discuss.HughFreakingDillon said:
I don't see this as a personal attack, Brian. He just disagreed with your position.brianlux said:cincybearcat said:
Interesting passing off the damage baby boomers have done and continue to do on genX, millennial and gen’s apathy…. Bold take.brianlux said:OK, so we have two old farts running for president, one old and decrepit, and one ultra-narcissist anti-democracy nut case. How did we get there and how do we change? Here's what I think: Younger generations, people need to get off their phones, and get off their asses, and get into the real world and start making changes. Others have done that in the past. G.I. generation pulled this country out of the depression and fought for freedom and democracy. Boomers stood up and rallied to put an end to the war in Vietnam. Now it's time for a new generation to get moving and do something. My generation is not going to change anything. There are not enough of us with any gas in the tank anymore. We're old, we're worn out. We're passe. If gen Z and gen X don't get off their phones and get off their asses, this country is going into the shitter for good. It blows my mind that were even talking about Biden and Trump. I mean, really, WTF? Wake up, younger people.You should know by now I have not "passed off damage baby boomers have done". I have been talked about things my generation did right- particularly during the Vietnam war era- but I have also quite often here on these very forums been highly critical of my generation for dropping the ball, for trading in the bold and worthy things boomer stood upon for their pursuit of money and an easy privileged life. You can read all of that in detail in parts of this book:You should also know about me by now that I do not take well to having my character misconstrued. I'll leave it at that before this becomes more personal.
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I disagree with it being the staff’s fault. I’m sure they did overload him with tons of facts. In fact, during his first response as he was just speaking really fast, the very first thing I said to my wife was he has just memorized responses and doesn’t know what he’s saying.Lerxst1992 said:brianlux said:mickeyrat said:
That's more like it. Besides, the choice is obvious. I'll take an old man who tells the truth over a pathological liar any day. We should have had a better candidate on both parties, but this is what we have and the choice is an easy one... if you prefer democracy and freedom over tyranny and authoritarian rule, anyway.That video makes me wanna blame his handlers even more. He has the ability to speak publicly, forcefully, and clearly.
Yet his team let him walk right into the lions den, inflict damage to the Democrats like no one else can because they overloaded him with nonsensical facts. He may never again get an audience large enough to undo that damage.We don’t need Biden in a debate to tell us that Trump is a convicted rapist that Trump is a convicted felon 34 times and a liar and on and on… That stuff is nonsense when it comes to a debate. The whole democratic hierarchy has been polluted by the New York Times by MSNBC and the stuff we see here every day on ATM. You can tell Biden was overloaded with too many words, often left to muttering, right into the most viable attack against himself.When it comes to a debate, all that stuff is nonsense. Independent voters know this stuff. Maybe mention it once and move on. It’s not that difficult to talk in a debate for 40 minutes in one and two minute increments. Yet they overloaded him. Yes he is old but they overloaded him with too much data, and he was completely unprepared for that debate
and we’re looking at very possibly Another Trump, presidency.
But at the end of the day he showed the inability to think on his own. Bad coaching and prep doesn’t mean you can’t respond on your own. Especially someone who has given as many public appearances as him. And like you said, he only needs to talk in 1-2 minute increments, and he repeatedly failed at that.
We’ve seen for the last year his decline. We watched him shake hands with nobody, look lost on stage, not know where to go, etc. His staff denied it. Those close to him and much of the media blamed it on the right, said you must be Magat if you believe it. Even just last week his staff claimed those videos were edited, faked or altered when they clearly weren’t.
This is the state Biden is in. He probably has better and worse days. Probably does better when he can read a teleprompter or have an ear piece and not respond on his own. But his mental status was on full display Thursday. Is anyone really convinced he can make it 4 1/2 more years? What’s it going to be like in 6 months or a year? I will be surprised if he’s the nominee come the convention.Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
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They had three options - debate close to the election like usual, debate in an unusually early time of year and hope the media moves on from a poor performance, or don't debate. They bet that the chosen option was the right one. I think they'll wait 1-2 weeks to see how the polls react before they decide whether this is recoverable. My suspicion is that as much of a disaster as it was, it can be forgotten if Biden continues with a few more excellent performances where he looks energized and sounds clear and cogent.brianlux said:Lerxst1992 said:brianlux said:mickeyrat said:
That's more like it. Besides, the choice is obvious. I'll take an old man who tells the truth over a pathological liar any day. We should have had a better candidate on both parties, but this is what we have and the choice is an easy one... if you prefer democracy and freedom over tyranny and authoritarian rule, anyway.That video makes me wanna blame his handlers even more. He has the ability to speak publicly, forcefully, and clearly.
Yet his team let him walk right into the lions den, inflict damage to the Democrats like no one else can because they overloaded him with nonsensical facts. He may never again get an audience large enough to undo that damage.We don’t need Biden in a debate to tell us that Trump is a convicted rapist that Trump is a convicted felon 34 times and a liar and on and on… That stuff is nonsense when it comes to a debate. The whole democratic hierarchy has been polluted by the New York Times by MSNBC and the stuff we see here every day on ATM. You can tell Biden was overloaded with too many words, often left to muttering, right into the most viable attack against himself.When it comes to a debate, all that stuff is nonsense. Independent voters know this stuff. Maybe mention it once and move on. It’s not that difficult to talk in a debate for 40 minutes in one and two minute increments. Yet they overloaded him. Yes he is old but they overloaded him with too much data, and he was completely unprepared for that debate
and we’re looking at very possibly Another Trump, presidency.An interesting take, L. I have been baffled by Biden's poor performance in the debate fiasco. I hadn't considered bad coaching.At this point, what makes sense to me is to keep the support for Biden strong. I even went as far as to send what for me is a sizable donation to the Biden campaign yesterday. I have to be honest and say that is not how I like to spend my tithing money. I am way more inclined to give money to carefully selected environmental organizations such as Wildlands Network and the Paul Watson Foundation, as well as social activist organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center. Sending money to politicians goes against my grain. But I feel a strong sense of obligation to support whatever it takes to keep democracy alive and beat Trump.And I want to say to our few Trump supporters here that those of us who are supporting Biden are doing you a huge favor. We are fighting to save your freedom, as well as ours. I'm not going to try to convince you that Biden is the greatest president we've ever had. He's not. But he's the candidate who will continue to preserve democracy rather than turn this country into one under authoritarian rule that would have nothing to do with benefiting you. Authoritarian rulers don't care about you. They only care about their own massive ego and keeping you pinned down with false beliefs and false hopes. I hope one or two of you will consider what is really in your best interest instead of supporting someone who doesn't care one iota about you. That's all I have to say about that.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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It will be hard to forget when you know every ad will target his mental capacity and show clips from the debate, or or sound bites like “we finally killed Medicare.”benjs said:
They had three options - debate close to the election like usual, debate in an unusually early time of year and hope the media moves on from a poor performance, or don't debate. They bet that the chosen option was the right one. I think they'll wait 1-2 weeks to see how the polls react before they decide whether this is recoverable. My suspicion is that as much of a disaster as it was, it can be forgotten if Biden continues with a few more excellent performances where he looks energized and sounds clear and cogent.brianlux said:Lerxst1992 said:brianlux said:mickeyrat said:
That's more like it. Besides, the choice is obvious. I'll take an old man who tells the truth over a pathological liar any day. We should have had a better candidate on both parties, but this is what we have and the choice is an easy one... if you prefer democracy and freedom over tyranny and authoritarian rule, anyway.That video makes me wanna blame his handlers even more. He has the ability to speak publicly, forcefully, and clearly.
Yet his team let him walk right into the lions den, inflict damage to the Democrats like no one else can because they overloaded him with nonsensical facts. He may never again get an audience large enough to undo that damage.We don’t need Biden in a debate to tell us that Trump is a convicted rapist that Trump is a convicted felon 34 times and a liar and on and on… That stuff is nonsense when it comes to a debate. The whole democratic hierarchy has been polluted by the New York Times by MSNBC and the stuff we see here every day on ATM. You can tell Biden was overloaded with too many words, often left to muttering, right into the most viable attack against himself.When it comes to a debate, all that stuff is nonsense. Independent voters know this stuff. Maybe mention it once and move on. It’s not that difficult to talk in a debate for 40 minutes in one and two minute increments. Yet they overloaded him. Yes he is old but they overloaded him with too much data, and he was completely unprepared for that debate
and we’re looking at very possibly Another Trump, presidency.An interesting take, L. I have been baffled by Biden's poor performance in the debate fiasco. I hadn't considered bad coaching.At this point, what makes sense to me is to keep the support for Biden strong. I even went as far as to send what for me is a sizable donation to the Biden campaign yesterday. I have to be honest and say that is not how I like to spend my tithing money. I am way more inclined to give money to carefully selected environmental organizations such as Wildlands Network and the Paul Watson Foundation, as well as social activist organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center. Sending money to politicians goes against my grain. But I feel a strong sense of obligation to support whatever it takes to keep democracy alive and beat Trump.And I want to say to our few Trump supporters here that those of us who are supporting Biden are doing you a huge favor. We are fighting to save your freedom, as well as ours. I'm not going to try to convince you that Biden is the greatest president we've ever had. He's not. But he's the candidate who will continue to preserve democracy rather than turn this country into one under authoritarian rule that would have nothing to do with benefiting you. Authoritarian rulers don't care about you. They only care about their own massive ego and keeping you pinned down with false beliefs and false hopes. I hope one or two of you will consider what is really in your best interest instead of supporting someone who doesn't care one iota about you. That's all I have to say about that.0 -
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That's my best guess as well, Ben.benjs said:
They had three options - debate close to the election like usual, debate in an unusually early time of year and hope the media moves on from a poor performance, or don't debate. They bet that the chosen option was the right one. I think they'll wait 1-2 weeks to see how the polls react before they decide whether this is recoverable. My suspicion is that as much of a disaster as it was, it can be forgotten if Biden continues with a few more excellent performances where he looks energized and sounds clear and cogent.brianlux said:Lerxst1992 said:brianlux said:mickeyrat said:
That's more like it. Besides, the choice is obvious. I'll take an old man who tells the truth over a pathological liar any day. We should have had a better candidate on both parties, but this is what we have and the choice is an easy one... if you prefer democracy and freedom over tyranny and authoritarian rule, anyway.That video makes me wanna blame his handlers even more. He has the ability to speak publicly, forcefully, and clearly.
Yet his team let him walk right into the lions den, inflict damage to the Democrats like no one else can because they overloaded him with nonsensical facts. He may never again get an audience large enough to undo that damage.We don’t need Biden in a debate to tell us that Trump is a convicted rapist that Trump is a convicted felon 34 times and a liar and on and on… That stuff is nonsense when it comes to a debate. The whole democratic hierarchy has been polluted by the New York Times by MSNBC and the stuff we see here every day on ATM. You can tell Biden was overloaded with too many words, often left to muttering, right into the most viable attack against himself.When it comes to a debate, all that stuff is nonsense. Independent voters know this stuff. Maybe mention it once and move on. It’s not that difficult to talk in a debate for 40 minutes in one and two minute increments. Yet they overloaded him. Yes he is old but they overloaded him with too much data, and he was completely unprepared for that debate
and we’re looking at very possibly Another Trump, presidency.An interesting take, L. I have been baffled by Biden's poor performance in the debate fiasco. I hadn't considered bad coaching.At this point, what makes sense to me is to keep the support for Biden strong. I even went as far as to send what for me is a sizable donation to the Biden campaign yesterday. I have to be honest and say that is not how I like to spend my tithing money. I am way more inclined to give money to carefully selected environmental organizations such as Wildlands Network and the Paul Watson Foundation, as well as social activist organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center. Sending money to politicians goes against my grain. But I feel a strong sense of obligation to support whatever it takes to keep democracy alive and beat Trump.And I want to say to our few Trump supporters here that those of us who are supporting Biden are doing you a huge favor. We are fighting to save your freedom, as well as ours. I'm not going to try to convince you that Biden is the greatest president we've ever had. He's not. But he's the candidate who will continue to preserve democracy rather than turn this country into one under authoritarian rule that would have nothing to do with benefiting you. Authoritarian rulers don't care about you. They only care about their own massive ego and keeping you pinned down with false beliefs and false hopes. I hope one or two of you will consider what is really in your best interest instead of supporting someone who doesn't care one iota about you. That's all I have to say about that.mace1229 said:
It will be hard to forget when you know every ad will target his mental capacity and show clips from the debate, or or sound bites like “we finally killed Medicare.”benjs said:
They had three options - debate close to the election like usual, debate in an unusually early time of year and hope the media moves on from a poor performance, or don't debate. They bet that the chosen option was the right one. I think they'll wait 1-2 weeks to see how the polls react before they decide whether this is recoverable. My suspicion is that as much of a disaster as it was, it can be forgotten if Biden continues with a few more excellent performances where he looks energized and sounds clear and cogent.brianlux said:Lerxst1992 said:brianlux said:mickeyrat said:
That's more like it. Besides, the choice is obvious. I'll take an old man who tells the truth over a pathological liar any day. We should have had a better candidate on both parties, but this is what we have and the choice is an easy one... if you prefer democracy and freedom over tyranny and authoritarian rule, anyway.That video makes me wanna blame his handlers even more. He has the ability to speak publicly, forcefully, and clearly.
Yet his team let him walk right into the lions den, inflict damage to the Democrats like no one else can because they overloaded him with nonsensical facts. He may never again get an audience large enough to undo that damage.We don’t need Biden in a debate to tell us that Trump is a convicted rapist that Trump is a convicted felon 34 times and a liar and on and on… That stuff is nonsense when it comes to a debate. The whole democratic hierarchy has been polluted by the New York Times by MSNBC and the stuff we see here every day on ATM. You can tell Biden was overloaded with too many words, often left to muttering, right into the most viable attack against himself.When it comes to a debate, all that stuff is nonsense. Independent voters know this stuff. Maybe mention it once and move on. It’s not that difficult to talk in a debate for 40 minutes in one and two minute increments. Yet they overloaded him. Yes he is old but they overloaded him with too much data, and he was completely unprepared for that debate
and we’re looking at very possibly Another Trump, presidency.An interesting take, L. I have been baffled by Biden's poor performance in the debate fiasco. I hadn't considered bad coaching.At this point, what makes sense to me is to keep the support for Biden strong. I even went as far as to send what for me is a sizable donation to the Biden campaign yesterday. I have to be honest and say that is not how I like to spend my tithing money. I am way more inclined to give money to carefully selected environmental organizations such as Wildlands Network and the Paul Watson Foundation, as well as social activist organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center. Sending money to politicians goes against my grain. But I feel a strong sense of obligation to support whatever it takes to keep democracy alive and beat Trump.And I want to say to our few Trump supporters here that those of us who are supporting Biden are doing you a huge favor. We are fighting to save your freedom, as well as ours. I'm not going to try to convince you that Biden is the greatest president we've ever had. He's not. But he's the candidate who will continue to preserve democracy rather than turn this country into one under authoritarian rule that would have nothing to do with benefiting you. Authoritarian rulers don't care about you. They only care about their own massive ego and keeping you pinned down with false beliefs and false hopes. I hope one or two of you will consider what is really in your best interest instead of supporting someone who doesn't care one iota about you. That's all I have to say about that.It's a bit early to tell. Obviously, the poor debate performance is on a lot of minds right now. But remember, America as a whole has a bad case of mass amnesia. For example, the Baltimore bride collapse was a huge issue a short while ago. Unless some here live and work in that area, or have been directly affected by it, how many people here have given that even a passing thought in recent weeks? "Here today, gone tomorrow" is the American mental state. True, the situation here is a much more broad issue, but I think we'll find that though Biden's debate performance won't go away completely, the dust will settle. Maybe I'm just being hopeful, but I think that is how it will play out.Here's something I'd like to point out about cognitive behavior. I'm almost 73 years old and I am beginning to have difficulty remembering names and specific words. The word above in bold, "issue", is not the word I'm looking for. I also occasionally find myself going from one room into the kitchen for something and forgetting what I was going there for. These short-term incidents are frustrating and inconvenient. But they have no bearing on who I am and what I believe. I can tell you this is true for most older adults. All of my older friends (and several are older than I am), share similar cognitive issues. That does not make us lesser people when it comes to what we believe and how we make decisions. It may take us longer to find the right words and it may take us longer to write a well thought out statement like the one I am making here, but such a statement will be made based on a belief system that is backed by years of learning and gained wisdom and understanding, and such a statement will reflect those attributes. A serious decision is best made with careful consideration, and taking the time to make it right. And if a situation arises that needs more quick action, I will rely on the help I have around me to move forward. That's why presidents have staff and advisors. So if we take all that into consideration, and then look at the choices before us- Biden or Trump- that makes the decision a lot more clear and easy, does it not?At the very least, I hope what I'm saying here alleviates some of the worry about cognitive issues. Biden knows who he is and what he believes in. He will have well chose staff around him. And besides, one individual alone should not determine the fate of millions, let alone billions of people. If Trump is elected, that fate of billions of people will be at stake because Trump will only do what Trump wants. He will do what he has always done which is to surround himself with paid-off minions and yes-men. This is an essential and important fact. That's why we need to stand behind whomever Trump faces. And I will be very surprised if that is not Biden.
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Maybe. But I don’t think anyone will forget about his performance. It’s going to be talked about until he drops out or the election. Whichever is first.HughFreakingDillon said:the important voters will never see those attack ads.
A couple gaffes this was easy enough to where it wouldn’t matter. But it’s bad enough even most on CNN were saying he needs to drop.0 -
"I don't think anyone will forget about _____" is something I've heard a number of times about candidates over the last eight years, at least. The mind tends to favour more recent facts that come with high emotionality than something like this, where the disbelief will fade in light of other facts that are thrust in the voters' faces with paid ads that counter the "he's not well" narrative.mace1229 said:
Maybe. But I don’t think anyone will forget about his performance. It’s going to be talked about until he drops out or the election. Whichever is first.HughFreakingDillon said:the important voters will never see those attack ads.
A couple gaffes this was easy enough to where it wouldn’t matter. But it’s bad enough even most on CNN were saying he needs to drop.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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people have forgotten how terribly trump bungled covid. they will definitely forget about this debate performance.mace1229 said:
Maybe. But I don’t think anyone will forget about his performance. It’s going to be talked about until he drops out or the election. Whichever is first.HughFreakingDillon said:the important voters will never see those attack ads.
A couple gaffes this was easy enough to where it wouldn’t matter. But it’s bad enough even most on CNN were saying he needs to drop."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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the important voters are those of the social media generation. they aren't watching the debates. they are seeing bullshit doctored videos online. this debate will hold no sway with them. very few watching the debates are undecided.mace1229 said:
Maybe. But I don’t think anyone will forget about his performance. It’s going to be talked about until he drops out or the election. Whichever is first.HughFreakingDillon said:the important voters will never see those attack ads.
A couple gaffes this was easy enough to where it wouldn’t matter. But it’s bad enough even most on CNN were saying he needs to drop.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
The difference is his mental capacity has been a talking point for a year or more. The WH and his supporters denied it. It was on full display at the debate. It’s not like it came out of nowhere and was something new to talk about. It’s been an issue for a while. So I don’t see how it’s going away. And if he wins a second term, he’ll be 86. I don’t think he’s up for 4 more years.gimmesometruth27 said:
people have forgotten how terribly trump bungled covid. they will definitely forget about this debate performance.mace1229 said:
Maybe. But I don’t think anyone will forget about his performance. It’s going to be talked about until he drops out or the election. Whichever is first.HughFreakingDillon said:the important voters will never see those attack ads.
A couple gaffes this was easy enough to where it wouldn’t matter. But it’s bad enough even most on CNN were saying he needs to drop.
I wish we had better candidates on both parties. I don’t think I can vote for either.0
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