Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

josevolution

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

PJNB said:

dignin said:

https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1321973721461071872?s=20

And then this...

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1321953046109315074?s=20

Somebody should let KingJeremy know he has been duped...

Don’t believe these articles from news agencies who lied to us all for three years.  The emails and Biden’s China deals are 100% real.  That’s not the question.  The question is if anyone in the swamp cares at all about corruption within our govt.  I think we all know the answer to that.

lol to much cheese in your head from the Pizza take a break! 

josevolution

DewieCox said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

PJNB said:

dignin said:

https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1321973721461071872?s=20

And then this...

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1321953046109315074?s=20

Somebody should let KingJeremy know he has been duped...

Don’t believe these articles from news agencies who lied to us all for three years.  The emails and Biden’s China deals are 100% real.  That’s not the question.  The question is if anyone in the swamp cares at all about corruption within our govt.  I think we all know the answer to that.

(Deleted by Admin)

Don’t let the pizza maker get to you we don’t want you to get banned or a long timeout, he did say he’s making a special orange nugget pie just for the inauguration this year!

Gern Blansten

Biden

Yeah it's believable that there was child porn on the hard drive and the FBI just ignored it.

Totally believable.

F Me In The Brain

Biden

DewieCox said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

PJNB said:

dignin said:

https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1321973721461071872?s=20

And then this...

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1321953046109315074?s=20

Somebody should let KingJeremy know he has been duped...

Don’t believe these articles from news agencies who lied to us all for three years.  The emails and Biden’s China deals are 100% real.  That’s not the question.  The question is if anyone in the swamp cares at all about corruption within our govt.  I think we all know the answer to that.

(Deleted by Admin)

   

F Me In The Brain

Biden

mace1229 said:

cutz said:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/29/politics/minnesota-mail-in-ballots/index.html

Federal appeals court rules mailed ballots must be received by Election Day in Minnesota, cutting weeklong window

By Katelyn Polantz and Taylor Romine, CNN

Updated 10:52 PM ET, Thu October 29, 2020

(CNN)A federal appeals court ruled Thursday that mailed-in ballots in Minnesota must be received by elections officials no later than Election Day and suggested voters consider other options for casting their ballots.

The 2-1 ruling -- a win for the Republican challengers to the state's plans -- cuts off a weeklong window after Election Day where state officials had planned to receive ballots that had lingered in the mail. The court found the Minnesota secretary of state's accommodation went against a state law that said ballots delivered by mail to elections officials after 8 p.m. on Election Day should be marked late.

"The Secretary's instructions to count mail-in ballots received up to seven days after Election Day stand in direct contradiction to Minnesota election law governing presidential elections," the ruling stated.

The 8th US Circuit Court of Appeals urged voters to consider voting in other ways, because the court has not yet decided if votes that come in via mail after Election Day are legal.

"Better to put those voters on notice now while they still have at least some time to adjust their plans and cast their votes in an unquestionably lawful way," the appeals court said in its ruling.

Voters in Minnesota can turn in their absentee ballot at designated drop-off locations by 3 p.m. on Election Day. They can also go vote in person even if they have requested absentee ballots; voters can track their ballots online and if they haven't been received by Election Day they are allowed to vote in person and their mail-in ballots will no longer count.

The appeals court said that the ballots received by officials after Election Day should be set aside separately from ballots that were received on time, and not counted.

The decision tackles absentee ballot deadlines in a battleground state a day after the US Supreme Court declined to wade into plans in Pennsylvania and North Carolina to continue to accept ballots after Election Day.

The Trump campaign had sided with cutting off the receipt of ballots by Election Day.

The decision on Thursday night potentially throws into chaos the plans of Minnesota voters who have not yet mailed their absentee ballots. It sets up the possibility those votes may not be counted if they are postmarked in the coming days.

In a news conference Thursday night, Minnesota Secretary of State Steve Simon said he didn't know yet if the ruling would be appealed.

Simon noted that while ballots received after 8 p.m. on Election Day must be segregated, it is undecided whether those votes ultimately will count toward the election total. Election officials are still allowed to count but not tabulate ballots received after the deadline, so it is possible that there will be two final tallies: ballots that made it in before 8 p.m. and those that didn't, he said.

As of Thursday evening, a little under 400,000 absentee ballots that had been requested by and sent to voters had not been received by election officials, Simon said.

"The consequences of this order are not lost on us," the court's opinion said. "We acknowledge and understand the concerns over voter confusion, election administration issues, and public confidence in the election. ... With that said, we conclude the challenges that will stem from this ruling are preferable to a postelection scenario where mail-in votes, received after the statutory deadline, are either intermingled with ballots received on time or invalidated without prior warning."

The appeals court sided with two of the Republican Party's nominees for its Electoral College slate in Minnesota. The two electors challenged the Minnesota secretary of state's decision to add a week for the state to receive ballots after Election Day.

US Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minnesota, told voters to not mail in their ballots after the ruling.

"Because of LAST MINUTE ruling, Minnesota DO NOT put ballots in mail any more," Klobuchar said on Twitter. "In the middle of a pandemic, the Republican Party is doing everything to make it hard for you to vote. Stand up for YOUR rights: Vote in-person or take mail-in ballot directly to ballot box."

Minnesota Republican Party Chairwoman Jennifer Carnahan said in a statement that the party was pleased with the decision.

"We applaud the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals for upholding the integrity of the election and affirming Election Day as November 3rd," she said. "The pandemic has caused upheaval in many areas of life but hiding behind the pandemic to manipulate the election process is not democratic, and we appreciate that our laws and interpretation of those laws matter."

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, a Democrat, in an appearance on CNN's "Erin Burnett OutFront" slammed Republicans for bringing the case and bemoaned their praise of the decision.

"It speaks volumes when your goal is to make it more difficult for people to vote," Walz said. "It probably speaks that they are not really happy with your policies, so here in Minnesota, we will still count all the votes, the system is still secure, those ballots will be segregated and I think this will obviously go up further through the judiciary to get a decision. But at this point in time, people can avoid all this by simply going and dropping their ballots off in person."

I don’t see a big deal about this. If you plan to vote by mail then know the rules of your state. Really not a big sea to mail them in time or drop them off in person if you want your vote to count.

They changed the ruling less than a week before the election.

Seems a big deal, to me.

The goal should be to count all votes cast.  Nothing else.

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

Gern Blansten said:

Yeah it's believable that there was child porn on the hard drive and the FBI just ignored it.

Totally believable.

it's a "long game" plot. 

1) wait for biden to get elected
2) indict his son and then him on fraud and conspiracy
3) kamala is sworn in as prez
4) kamala does a heel-turn and is the new law and order president everyone on the right has been waiting for

gimmesometruth27

Biden

tucker got named in that sure to be coming defamation lawsuit so i am sure this is why he is backing off.

the replies on this page are gold by the way, lol.

mace1229

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

cutz said:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/29/politics/minnesota-mail-in-ballots/index.html

Federal appeals court rules mailed ballots must be received by Election Day in Minnesota, cutting weeklong window

By Katelyn Polantz and Taylor Romine, CNN

Updated 10:52 PM ET, Thu October 29, 2020

(CNN)A federal appeals court ruled Thursday that mailed-in ballots in Minnesota must be received by elections officials no later than Election Day and suggested voters consider other options for casting their ballots.

The 2-1 ruling -- a win for the Republican challengers to the state's plans -- cuts off a weeklong window after Election Day where state officials had planned to receive ballots that had lingered in the mail. The court found the Minnesota secretary of state's accommodation went against a state law that said ballots delivered by mail to elections officials after 8 p.m. on Election Day should be marked late.

"The Secretary's instructions to count mail-in ballots received up to seven days after Election Day stand in direct contradiction to Minnesota election law governing presidential elections," the ruling stated.

The 8th US Circuit Court of Appeals urged voters to consider voting in other ways, because the court has not yet decided if votes that come in via mail after Election Day are legal.

"Better to put those voters on notice now while they still have at least some time to adjust their plans and cast their votes in an unquestionably lawful way," the appeals court said in its ruling.

Voters in Minnesota can turn in their absentee ballot at designated drop-off locations by 3 p.m. on Election Day. They can also go vote in person even if they have requested absentee ballots; voters can track their ballots online and if they haven't been received by Election Day they are allowed to vote in person and their mail-in ballots will no longer count.

The appeals court said that the ballots received by officials after Election Day should be set aside separately from ballots that were received on time, and not counted.

The decision tackles absentee ballot deadlines in a battleground state a day after the US Supreme Court declined to wade into plans in Pennsylvania and North Carolina to continue to accept ballots after Election Day.

The Trump campaign had sided with cutting off the receipt of ballots by Election Day.

The decision on Thursday night potentially throws into chaos the plans of Minnesota voters who have not yet mailed their absentee ballots. It sets up the possibility those votes may not be counted if they are postmarked in the coming days.

In a news conference Thursday night, Minnesota Secretary of State Steve Simon said he didn't know yet if the ruling would be appealed.

Simon noted that while ballots received after 8 p.m. on Election Day must be segregated, it is undecided whether those votes ultimately will count toward the election total. Election officials are still allowed to count but not tabulate ballots received after the deadline, so it is possible that there will be two final tallies: ballots that made it in before 8 p.m. and those that didn't, he said.

As of Thursday evening, a little under 400,000 absentee ballots that had been requested by and sent to voters had not been received by election officials, Simon said.

"The consequences of this order are not lost on us," the court's opinion said. "We acknowledge and understand the concerns over voter confusion, election administration issues, and public confidence in the election. ... With that said, we conclude the challenges that will stem from this ruling are preferable to a postelection scenario where mail-in votes, received after the statutory deadline, are either intermingled with ballots received on time or invalidated without prior warning."

The appeals court sided with two of the Republican Party's nominees for its Electoral College slate in Minnesota. The two electors challenged the Minnesota secretary of state's decision to add a week for the state to receive ballots after Election Day.

US Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minnesota, told voters to not mail in their ballots after the ruling.

"Because of LAST MINUTE ruling, Minnesota DO NOT put ballots in mail any more," Klobuchar said on Twitter. "In the middle of a pandemic, the Republican Party is doing everything to make it hard for you to vote. Stand up for YOUR rights: Vote in-person or take mail-in ballot directly to ballot box."

Minnesota Republican Party Chairwoman Jennifer Carnahan said in a statement that the party was pleased with the decision.

"We applaud the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals for upholding the integrity of the election and affirming Election Day as November 3rd," she said. "The pandemic has caused upheaval in many areas of life but hiding behind the pandemic to manipulate the election process is not democratic, and we appreciate that our laws and interpretation of those laws matter."

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, a Democrat, in an appearance on CNN's "Erin Burnett OutFront" slammed Republicans for bringing the case and bemoaned their praise of the decision.

"It speaks volumes when your goal is to make it more difficult for people to vote," Walz said. "It probably speaks that they are not really happy with your policies, so here in Minnesota, we will still count all the votes, the system is still secure, those ballots will be segregated and I think this will obviously go up further through the judiciary to get a decision. But at this point in time, people can avoid all this by simply going and dropping their ballots off in person."

I don’t see a big deal about this. If you plan to vote by mail then know the rules of your state. Really not a big sea to mail them in time or drop them off in person if you want your vote to count.

The big deal is the Secretary of State instructed ballots to be counted seven days after election day, as long as they were postmarked on election day.

Those were the rules of the state.

Now the Republicans have petitioned the judges to change that rule at the last minute.  Now ballots have to be received by election day.  That's a big change 5 days before the election when so many are voting by mail.  Not to mention the thousands of people who don't have the luxury to vote in person, or drop their ballots off: such as military or people living abroad, elderly, people with multiple jobs, or without access to transportation.  

Why do Republicans always want to make it more difficult for people to vote?  Why do they have to lie cheat and steal to win an election?

From what I read the state law says the ballots don't count. The election officials said they are going to count them, so the decision went to the court and the court said they have to follow state law. Now people are saying the republicans are stealing votes because the court said the have to follow the rules?

mace1229

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

cutz said:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/29/politics/minnesota-mail-in-ballots/index.html

Federal appeals court rules mailed ballots must be received by Election Day in Minnesota, cutting weeklong window

By Katelyn Polantz and Taylor Romine, CNN

Updated 10:52 PM ET, Thu October 29, 2020

(CNN)A federal appeals court ruled Thursday that mailed-in ballots in Minnesota must be received by elections officials no later than Election Day and suggested voters consider other options for casting their ballots.

The 2-1 ruling -- a win for the Republican challengers to the state's plans -- cuts off a weeklong window after Election Day where state officials had planned to receive ballots that had lingered in the mail. The court found the Minnesota secretary of state's accommodation went against a state law that said ballots delivered by mail to elections officials after 8 p.m. on Election Day should be marked late.

"The Secretary's instructions to count mail-in ballots received up to seven days after Election Day stand in direct contradiction to Minnesota election law governing presidential elections," the ruling stated.

The 8th US Circuit Court of Appeals urged voters to consider voting in other ways, because the court has not yet decided if votes that come in via mail after Election Day are legal.

"Better to put those voters on notice now while they still have at least some time to adjust their plans and cast their votes in an unquestionably lawful way," the appeals court said in its ruling.

Voters in Minnesota can turn in their absentee ballot at designated drop-off locations by 3 p.m. on Election Day. They can also go vote in person even if they have requested absentee ballots; voters can track their ballots online and if they haven't been received by Election Day they are allowed to vote in person and their mail-in ballots will no longer count.

The appeals court said that the ballots received by officials after Election Day should be set aside separately from ballots that were received on time, and not counted.

The decision tackles absentee ballot deadlines in a battleground state a day after the US Supreme Court declined to wade into plans in Pennsylvania and North Carolina to continue to accept ballots after Election Day.

The Trump campaign had sided with cutting off the receipt of ballots by Election Day.

The decision on Thursday night potentially throws into chaos the plans of Minnesota voters who have not yet mailed their absentee ballots. It sets up the possibility those votes may not be counted if they are postmarked in the coming days.

In a news conference Thursday night, Minnesota Secretary of State Steve Simon said he didn't know yet if the ruling would be appealed.

Simon noted that while ballots received after 8 p.m. on Election Day must be segregated, it is undecided whether those votes ultimately will count toward the election total. Election officials are still allowed to count but not tabulate ballots received after the deadline, so it is possible that there will be two final tallies: ballots that made it in before 8 p.m. and those that didn't, he said.

As of Thursday evening, a little under 400,000 absentee ballots that had been requested by and sent to voters had not been received by election officials, Simon said.

"The consequences of this order are not lost on us," the court's opinion said. "We acknowledge and understand the concerns over voter confusion, election administration issues, and public confidence in the election. ... With that said, we conclude the challenges that will stem from this ruling are preferable to a postelection scenario where mail-in votes, received after the statutory deadline, are either intermingled with ballots received on time or invalidated without prior warning."

The appeals court sided with two of the Republican Party's nominees for its Electoral College slate in Minnesota. The two electors challenged the Minnesota secretary of state's decision to add a week for the state to receive ballots after Election Day.

US Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minnesota, told voters to not mail in their ballots after the ruling.

"Because of LAST MINUTE ruling, Minnesota DO NOT put ballots in mail any more," Klobuchar said on Twitter. "In the middle of a pandemic, the Republican Party is doing everything to make it hard for you to vote. Stand up for YOUR rights: Vote in-person or take mail-in ballot directly to ballot box."

Minnesota Republican Party Chairwoman Jennifer Carnahan said in a statement that the party was pleased with the decision.

"We applaud the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals for upholding the integrity of the election and affirming Election Day as November 3rd," she said. "The pandemic has caused upheaval in many areas of life but hiding behind the pandemic to manipulate the election process is not democratic, and we appreciate that our laws and interpretation of those laws matter."

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, a Democrat, in an appearance on CNN's "Erin Burnett OutFront" slammed Republicans for bringing the case and bemoaned their praise of the decision.

"It speaks volumes when your goal is to make it more difficult for people to vote," Walz said. "It probably speaks that they are not really happy with your policies, so here in Minnesota, we will still count all the votes, the system is still secure, those ballots will be segregated and I think this will obviously go up further through the judiciary to get a decision. But at this point in time, people can avoid all this by simply going and dropping their ballots off in person."

I don’t see a big deal about this. If you plan to vote by mail then know the rules of your state. Really not a big sea to mail them in time or drop them off in person if you want your vote to count.

The big deal is the Secretary of State instructed ballots to be counted seven days after election day, as long as they were postmarked on election day.

Those were the rules of the state.

Now the Republicans have petitioned the judges to change that rule at the last minute.  Now ballots have to be received by election day.  That's a big change 5 days before the election when so many are voting by mail.  Not to mention the thousands of people who don't have the luxury to vote in person, or drop their ballots off: such as military or people living abroad, elderly, people with multiple jobs, or without access to transportation.  

Why do Republicans always want to make it more difficult for people to vote?  Why do they have to lie cheat and steal to win an election?

Its not about making it more difficult. If you don't like the state law about the deadline, fine. Go through the proper channels and change it. But don't just say you're going to ignore it and count them anyway. Half the states in the country have that same deadline. Why should the state law be ignored? I'm sure it would be easier to vote if we got rid of registration and allowed people to vote all through November too, but there's voting rules ot follow. We can't just pick which ones to follow and ignore the ones we don't like. 

mace1229

F Me In The Brain said:

mace1229 said:

cutz said:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/29/politics/minnesota-mail-in-ballots/index.html

Federal appeals court rules mailed ballots must be received by Election Day in Minnesota, cutting weeklong window

By Katelyn Polantz and Taylor Romine, CNN

Updated 10:52 PM ET, Thu October 29, 2020

(CNN)A federal appeals court ruled Thursday that mailed-in ballots in Minnesota must be received by elections officials no later than Election Day and suggested voters consider other options for casting their ballots.

The 2-1 ruling -- a win for the Republican challengers to the state's plans -- cuts off a weeklong window after Election Day where state officials had planned to receive ballots that had lingered in the mail. The court found the Minnesota secretary of state's accommodation went against a state law that said ballots delivered by mail to elections officials after 8 p.m. on Election Day should be marked late.

"The Secretary's instructions to count mail-in ballots received up to seven days after Election Day stand in direct contradiction to Minnesota election law governing presidential elections," the ruling stated.

The 8th US Circuit Court of Appeals urged voters to consider voting in other ways, because the court has not yet decided if votes that come in via mail after Election Day are legal.

"Better to put those voters on notice now while they still have at least some time to adjust their plans and cast their votes in an unquestionably lawful way," the appeals court said in its ruling.

Voters in Minnesota can turn in their absentee ballot at designated drop-off locations by 3 p.m. on Election Day. They can also go vote in person even if they have requested absentee ballots; voters can track their ballots online and if they haven't been received by Election Day they are allowed to vote in person and their mail-in ballots will no longer count.

The appeals court said that the ballots received by officials after Election Day should be set aside separately from ballots that were received on time, and not counted.

The decision tackles absentee ballot deadlines in a battleground state a day after the US Supreme Court declined to wade into plans in Pennsylvania and North Carolina to continue to accept ballots after Election Day.

The Trump campaign had sided with cutting off the receipt of ballots by Election Day.

The decision on Thursday night potentially throws into chaos the plans of Minnesota voters who have not yet mailed their absentee ballots. It sets up the possibility those votes may not be counted if they are postmarked in the coming days.

In a news conference Thursday night, Minnesota Secretary of State Steve Simon said he didn't know yet if the ruling would be appealed.

Simon noted that while ballots received after 8 p.m. on Election Day must be segregated, it is undecided whether those votes ultimately will count toward the election total. Election officials are still allowed to count but not tabulate ballots received after the deadline, so it is possible that there will be two final tallies: ballots that made it in before 8 p.m. and those that didn't, he said.

As of Thursday evening, a little under 400,000 absentee ballots that had been requested by and sent to voters had not been received by election officials, Simon said.

"The consequences of this order are not lost on us," the court's opinion said. "We acknowledge and understand the concerns over voter confusion, election administration issues, and public confidence in the election. ... With that said, we conclude the challenges that will stem from this ruling are preferable to a postelection scenario where mail-in votes, received after the statutory deadline, are either intermingled with ballots received on time or invalidated without prior warning."

The appeals court sided with two of the Republican Party's nominees for its Electoral College slate in Minnesota. The two electors challenged the Minnesota secretary of state's decision to add a week for the state to receive ballots after Election Day.

US Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minnesota, told voters to not mail in their ballots after the ruling.

"Because of LAST MINUTE ruling, Minnesota DO NOT put ballots in mail any more," Klobuchar said on Twitter. "In the middle of a pandemic, the Republican Party is doing everything to make it hard for you to vote. Stand up for YOUR rights: Vote in-person or take mail-in ballot directly to ballot box."

Minnesota Republican Party Chairwoman Jennifer Carnahan said in a statement that the party was pleased with the decision.

"We applaud the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals for upholding the integrity of the election and affirming Election Day as November 3rd," she said. "The pandemic has caused upheaval in many areas of life but hiding behind the pandemic to manipulate the election process is not democratic, and we appreciate that our laws and interpretation of those laws matter."

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, a Democrat, in an appearance on CNN's "Erin Burnett OutFront" slammed Republicans for bringing the case and bemoaned their praise of the decision.

"It speaks volumes when your goal is to make it more difficult for people to vote," Walz said. "It probably speaks that they are not really happy with your policies, so here in Minnesota, we will still count all the votes, the system is still secure, those ballots will be segregated and I think this will obviously go up further through the judiciary to get a decision. But at this point in time, people can avoid all this by simply going and dropping their ballots off in person."

I don’t see a big deal about this. If you plan to vote by mail then know the rules of your state. Really not a big sea to mail them in time or drop them off in person if you want your vote to count.

They changed the ruling less than a week before the election.

Seems a big deal, to me.

The goal should be to count all votes cast.  Nothing else.

They didn't change it. That's been the deadline. They tried to change it to a week later, and the court said nope, thems the rules, stick with it, you can't change it.

OnWis97

Biden

mace1229 said:

cutz said:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/29/politics/minnesota-mail-in-ballots/index.html

Federal appeals court rules mailed ballots must be received by Election Day in Minnesota, cutting weeklong window

I don’t see a big deal about this. If you plan to vote by mail then know the rules of your state. Really not a big sea to mail them in time or drop them off in person if you want your vote to count.

You don't see a problem with the US Court system putting its thumb on the scale for Trump five days before an election and overruling a state's Secretary of State ruling? While the US Mail is being sabotaged from within, by the way.  It doesn't even matter what voters "should" know or "should" do.  What matters is our federal courts infringing on state rules (not a very conservative thing to do) at the behest of the Party. This  (and other court actions) isn't just going to swing the presidency; it's going to swing the Senate. Yeah, your guy's going to win and your policy preferences will mostly occur. But it's now a one-party autocracy; to be made official next week.

mickeyrat

Biden

F Me In The Brain said:

mace1229 said:

cutz said:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/29/politics/minnesota-mail-in-ballots/index.html

Federal appeals court rules mailed ballots must be received by Election Day in Minnesota, cutting weeklong window

By Katelyn Polantz and Taylor Romine, CNN

Updated 10:52 PM ET, Thu October 29, 2020

(CNN)A federal appeals court ruled Thursday that mailed-in ballots in Minnesota must be received by elections officials no later than Election Day and suggested voters consider other options for casting their ballots.

The 2-1 ruling -- a win for the Republican challengers to the state's plans -- cuts off a weeklong window after Election Day where state officials had planned to receive ballots that had lingered in the mail. The court found the Minnesota secretary of state's accommodation went against a state law that said ballots delivered by mail to elections officials after 8 p.m. on Election Day should be marked late.

"The Secretary's instructions to count mail-in ballots received up to seven days after Election Day stand in direct contradiction to Minnesota election law governing presidential elections," the ruling stated.

The 8th US Circuit Court of Appeals urged voters to consider voting in other ways, because the court has not yet decided if votes that come in via mail after Election Day are legal.

"Better to put those voters on notice now while they still have at least some time to adjust their plans and cast their votes in an unquestionably lawful way," the appeals court said in its ruling.

Voters in Minnesota can turn in their absentee ballot at designated drop-off locations by 3 p.m. on Election Day. They can also go vote in person even if they have requested absentee ballots; voters can track their ballots online and if they haven't been received by Election Day they are allowed to vote in person and their mail-in ballots will no longer count.

The appeals court said that the ballots received by officials after Election Day should be set aside separately from ballots that were received on time, and not counted.

The decision tackles absentee ballot deadlines in a battleground state a day after the US Supreme Court declined to wade into plans in Pennsylvania and North Carolina to continue to accept ballots after Election Day.

The Trump campaign had sided with cutting off the receipt of ballots by Election Day.

The decision on Thursday night potentially throws into chaos the plans of Minnesota voters who have not yet mailed their absentee ballots. It sets up the possibility those votes may not be counted if they are postmarked in the coming days.

In a news conference Thursday night, Minnesota Secretary of State Steve Simon said he didn't know yet if the ruling would be appealed.

Simon noted that while ballots received after 8 p.m. on Election Day must be segregated, it is undecided whether those votes ultimately will count toward the election total. Election officials are still allowed to count but not tabulate ballots received after the deadline, so it is possible that there will be two final tallies: ballots that made it in before 8 p.m. and those that didn't, he said.

As of Thursday evening, a little under 400,000 absentee ballots that had been requested by and sent to voters had not been received by election officials, Simon said.

"The consequences of this order are not lost on us," the court's opinion said. "We acknowledge and understand the concerns over voter confusion, election administration issues, and public confidence in the election. ... With that said, we conclude the challenges that will stem from this ruling are preferable to a postelection scenario where mail-in votes, received after the statutory deadline, are either intermingled with ballots received on time or invalidated without prior warning."

The appeals court sided with two of the Republican Party's nominees for its Electoral College slate in Minnesota. The two electors challenged the Minnesota secretary of state's decision to add a week for the state to receive ballots after Election Day.

US Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minnesota, told voters to not mail in their ballots after the ruling.

"Because of LAST MINUTE ruling, Minnesota DO NOT put ballots in mail any more," Klobuchar said on Twitter. "In the middle of a pandemic, the Republican Party is doing everything to make it hard for you to vote. Stand up for YOUR rights: Vote in-person or take mail-in ballot directly to ballot box."

Minnesota Republican Party Chairwoman Jennifer Carnahan said in a statement that the party was pleased with the decision.

"We applaud the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals for upholding the integrity of the election and affirming Election Day as November 3rd," she said. "The pandemic has caused upheaval in many areas of life but hiding behind the pandemic to manipulate the election process is not democratic, and we appreciate that our laws and interpretation of those laws matter."

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, a Democrat, in an appearance on CNN's "Erin Burnett OutFront" slammed Republicans for bringing the case and bemoaned their praise of the decision.

"It speaks volumes when your goal is to make it more difficult for people to vote," Walz said. "It probably speaks that they are not really happy with your policies, so here in Minnesota, we will still count all the votes, the system is still secure, those ballots will be segregated and I think this will obviously go up further through the judiciary to get a decision. But at this point in time, people can avoid all this by simply going and dropping their ballots off in person."

I don’t see a big deal about this. If you plan to vote by mail then know the rules of your state. Really not a big sea to mail them in time or drop them off in person if you want your vote to count.

They changed the ruling less than a week before the election.

Seems a big deal, to me.

The goal should be to count all votes cast.  Nothing else.

if you have followed the directions your state has set and mailed by the last day your state says, they should count.  fucking elections arent certified for several werks anyway to.make a count official.

F Me In The Brain

Biden

mickeyrat said:

F Me In The Brain said:

mace1229 said:

cutz said:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/29/politics/minnesota-mail-in-ballots/index.html

Federal appeals court rules mailed ballots must be received by Election Day in Minnesota, cutting weeklong window

By Katelyn Polantz and Taylor Romine, CNN

Updated 10:52 PM ET, Thu October 29, 2020

(CNN)A federal appeals court ruled Thursday that mailed-in ballots in Minnesota must be received by elections officials no later than Election Day and suggested voters consider other options for casting their ballots.

The 2-1 ruling -- a win for the Republican challengers to the state's plans -- cuts off a weeklong window after Election Day where state officials had planned to receive ballots that had lingered in the mail. The court found the Minnesota secretary of state's accommodation went against a state law that said ballots delivered by mail to elections officials after 8 p.m. on Election Day should be marked late.

"The Secretary's instructions to count mail-in ballots received up to seven days after Election Day stand in direct contradiction to Minnesota election law governing presidential elections," the ruling stated.

The 8th US Circuit Court of Appeals urged voters to consider voting in other ways, because the court has not yet decided if votes that come in via mail after Election Day are legal.

"Better to put those voters on notice now while they still have at least some time to adjust their plans and cast their votes in an unquestionably lawful way," the appeals court said in its ruling.

Voters in Minnesota can turn in their absentee ballot at designated drop-off locations by 3 p.m. on Election Day. They can also go vote in person even if they have requested absentee ballots; voters can track their ballots online and if they haven't been received by Election Day they are allowed to vote in person and their mail-in ballots will no longer count.

The appeals court said that the ballots received by officials after Election Day should be set aside separately from ballots that were received on time, and not counted.

The decision tackles absentee ballot deadlines in a battleground state a day after the US Supreme Court declined to wade into plans in Pennsylvania and North Carolina to continue to accept ballots after Election Day.

The Trump campaign had sided with cutting off the receipt of ballots by Election Day.

The decision on Thursday night potentially throws into chaos the plans of Minnesota voters who have not yet mailed their absentee ballots. It sets up the possibility those votes may not be counted if they are postmarked in the coming days.

In a news conference Thursday night, Minnesota Secretary of State Steve Simon said he didn't know yet if the ruling would be appealed.

Simon noted that while ballots received after 8 p.m. on Election Day must be segregated, it is undecided whether those votes ultimately will count toward the election total. Election officials are still allowed to count but not tabulate ballots received after the deadline, so it is possible that there will be two final tallies: ballots that made it in before 8 p.m. and those that didn't, he said.

As of Thursday evening, a little under 400,000 absentee ballots that had been requested by and sent to voters had not been received by election officials, Simon said.

"The consequences of this order are not lost on us," the court's opinion said. "We acknowledge and understand the concerns over voter confusion, election administration issues, and public confidence in the election. ... With that said, we conclude the challenges that will stem from this ruling are preferable to a postelection scenario where mail-in votes, received after the statutory deadline, are either intermingled with ballots received on time or invalidated without prior warning."

The appeals court sided with two of the Republican Party's nominees for its Electoral College slate in Minnesota. The two electors challenged the Minnesota secretary of state's decision to add a week for the state to receive ballots after Election Day.

US Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minnesota, told voters to not mail in their ballots after the ruling.

"Because of LAST MINUTE ruling, Minnesota DO NOT put ballots in mail any more," Klobuchar said on Twitter. "In the middle of a pandemic, the Republican Party is doing everything to make it hard for you to vote. Stand up for YOUR rights: Vote in-person or take mail-in ballot directly to ballot box."

Minnesota Republican Party Chairwoman Jennifer Carnahan said in a statement that the party was pleased with the decision.

"We applaud the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals for upholding the integrity of the election and affirming Election Day as November 3rd," she said. "The pandemic has caused upheaval in many areas of life but hiding behind the pandemic to manipulate the election process is not democratic, and we appreciate that our laws and interpretation of those laws matter."

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, a Democrat, in an appearance on CNN's "Erin Burnett OutFront" slammed Republicans for bringing the case and bemoaned their praise of the decision.

"It speaks volumes when your goal is to make it more difficult for people to vote," Walz said. "It probably speaks that they are not really happy with your policies, so here in Minnesota, we will still count all the votes, the system is still secure, those ballots will be segregated and I think this will obviously go up further through the judiciary to get a decision. But at this point in time, people can avoid all this by simply going and dropping their ballots off in person."

I don’t see a big deal about this. If you plan to vote by mail then know the rules of your state. Really not a big sea to mail them in time or drop them off in person if you want your vote to count.

They changed the ruling less than a week before the election.

Seems a big deal, to me.

The goal should be to count all votes cast.  Nothing else.

if you have followed the directions your state has set and mailed by the last day your state says, they should count.  fucking elections arent certified for several werks anyway to.make a count official.

Agree.  If the rules are changing back and forth they need to allow for that. 

What a mess of a system we have.

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

mace1229 said:

cutz said:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/29/politics/minnesota-mail-in-ballots/index.html

Federal appeals court rules mailed ballots must be received by Election Day in Minnesota, cutting weeklong window

By Katelyn Polantz and Taylor Romine, CNN

Updated 10:52 PM ET, Thu October 29, 2020

(CNN)A federal appeals court ruled Thursday that mailed-in ballots in Minnesota must be received by elections officials no later than Election Day and suggested voters consider other options for casting their ballots.

The 2-1 ruling -- a win for the Republican challengers to the state's plans -- cuts off a weeklong window after Election Day where state officials had planned to receive ballots that had lingered in the mail. The court found the Minnesota secretary of state's accommodation went against a state law that said ballots delivered by mail to elections officials after 8 p.m. on Election Day should be marked late.

"The Secretary's instructions to count mail-in ballots received up to seven days after Election Day stand in direct contradiction to Minnesota election law governing presidential elections," the ruling stated.

The 8th US Circuit Court of Appeals urged voters to consider voting in other ways, because the court has not yet decided if votes that come in via mail after Election Day are legal.

"Better to put those voters on notice now while they still have at least some time to adjust their plans and cast their votes in an unquestionably lawful way," the appeals court said in its ruling.

Voters in Minnesota can turn in their absentee ballot at designated drop-off locations by 3 p.m. on Election Day. They can also go vote in person even if they have requested absentee ballots; voters can track their ballots online and if they haven't been received by Election Day they are allowed to vote in person and their mail-in ballots will no longer count.

The appeals court said that the ballots received by officials after Election Day should be set aside separately from ballots that were received on time, and not counted.

The decision tackles absentee ballot deadlines in a battleground state a day after the US Supreme Court declined to wade into plans in Pennsylvania and North Carolina to continue to accept ballots after Election Day.

The Trump campaign had sided with cutting off the receipt of ballots by Election Day.

The decision on Thursday night potentially throws into chaos the plans of Minnesota voters who have not yet mailed their absentee ballots. It sets up the possibility those votes may not be counted if they are postmarked in the coming days.

In a news conference Thursday night, Minnesota Secretary of State Steve Simon said he didn't know yet if the ruling would be appealed.

Simon noted that while ballots received after 8 p.m. on Election Day must be segregated, it is undecided whether those votes ultimately will count toward the election total. Election officials are still allowed to count but not tabulate ballots received after the deadline, so it is possible that there will be two final tallies: ballots that made it in before 8 p.m. and those that didn't, he said.

As of Thursday evening, a little under 400,000 absentee ballots that had been requested by and sent to voters had not been received by election officials, Simon said.

"The consequences of this order are not lost on us," the court's opinion said. "We acknowledge and understand the concerns over voter confusion, election administration issues, and public confidence in the election. ... With that said, we conclude the challenges that will stem from this ruling are preferable to a postelection scenario where mail-in votes, received after the statutory deadline, are either intermingled with ballots received on time or invalidated without prior warning."

The appeals court sided with two of the Republican Party's nominees for its Electoral College slate in Minnesota. The two electors challenged the Minnesota secretary of state's decision to add a week for the state to receive ballots after Election Day.

US Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minnesota, told voters to not mail in their ballots after the ruling.

"Because of LAST MINUTE ruling, Minnesota DO NOT put ballots in mail any more," Klobuchar said on Twitter. "In the middle of a pandemic, the Republican Party is doing everything to make it hard for you to vote. Stand up for YOUR rights: Vote in-person or take mail-in ballot directly to ballot box."

Minnesota Republican Party Chairwoman Jennifer Carnahan said in a statement that the party was pleased with the decision.

"We applaud the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals for upholding the integrity of the election and affirming Election Day as November 3rd," she said. "The pandemic has caused upheaval in many areas of life but hiding behind the pandemic to manipulate the election process is not democratic, and we appreciate that our laws and interpretation of those laws matter."

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, a Democrat, in an appearance on CNN's "Erin Burnett OutFront" slammed Republicans for bringing the case and bemoaned their praise of the decision.

"It speaks volumes when your goal is to make it more difficult for people to vote," Walz said. "It probably speaks that they are not really happy with your policies, so here in Minnesota, we will still count all the votes, the system is still secure, those ballots will be segregated and I think this will obviously go up further through the judiciary to get a decision. But at this point in time, people can avoid all this by simply going and dropping their ballots off in person."

I don’t see a big deal about this. If you plan to vote by mail then know the rules of your state. Really not a big sea to mail them in time or drop them off in person if you want your vote to count.

The big deal is the Secretary of State instructed ballots to be counted seven days after election day, as long as they were postmarked on election day.

Those were the rules of the state.

Now the Republicans have petitioned the judges to change that rule at the last minute.  Now ballots have to be received by election day.  That's a big change 5 days before the election when so many are voting by mail.  Not to mention the thousands of people who don't have the luxury to vote in person, or drop their ballots off: such as military or people living abroad, elderly, people with multiple jobs, or without access to transportation.  

Why do Republicans always want to make it more difficult for people to vote?  Why do they have to lie cheat and steal to win an election?

Its not about making it more difficult. If you don't like the state law about the deadline, fine. Go through the proper channels and change it. But don't just say you're going to ignore it and count them anyway. Half the states in the country have that same deadline. Why should the state law be ignored? I'm sure it would be easier to vote if we got rid of registration and allowed people to vote all through November too, but there's voting rules ot follow. We can't just pick which ones to follow and ignore the ones we don't like. 

yes, the pandemic started 10 months ago. if they wanted this changed, they had plenty of time to try to get that done. 

however, you have to admit that the republican party does their damndest in many situations to suppress the vote. 

mace1229

OnWis97 said:

mace1229 said:

cutz said:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/29/politics/minnesota-mail-in-ballots/index.html

Federal appeals court rules mailed ballots must be received by Election Day in Minnesota, cutting weeklong window

I don’t see a big deal about this. If you plan to vote by mail then know the rules of your state. Really not a big sea to mail them in time or drop them off in person if you want your vote to count.

You don't see a problem with the US Court system putting its thumb on the scale for Trump five days before an election and overruling a state's Secretary of State ruling? While the US Mail is being sabotaged from within, by the way.  It doesn't even matter what voters "should" know or "should" do.  What matters is our federal courts infringing on state rules (not a very conservative thing to do) at the behest of the Party. This  (and other court actions) isn't just going to swing the presidency; it's going to swing the Senate. Yeah, your guy's going to win and your policy preferences will mostly occur. But it's now a one-party autocracy; to be made official next week.

Unless I misunderstood the situation, that isn't what happened. So correct if I'm wrong, but the state law has been the deadline of election day. The election officials just said they are going to extend that and ignore the law without proper channels. The ruling of the court wasn't to change the deadline, it was do say they have to stick with what's written in the law. And I see no problem with that. I do see a problem with changing election rules mid election without going through the proper channels to change the state law though that dictates said election rules. 
Also, no one is making anyone vote by mail, Its a choice. In Wisconsin you have to request a mail ballot I believe. You could have requested the ballot a month ago and sent it back a few days later. No one's hands are being tied by this. If you don't want to mail a ballot in time, that's fine. Don't request one and go vote in person. If you needed those 5 weeks to read up on the election and cast your vote, fine, drop it off in person. No one is being limited by this decision to follow the election rules that are in place.

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

OnWis97 said:

mace1229 said:

cutz said:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/29/politics/minnesota-mail-in-ballots/index.html

Federal appeals court rules mailed ballots must be received by Election Day in Minnesota, cutting weeklong window

I don’t see a big deal about this. If you plan to vote by mail then know the rules of your state. Really not a big sea to mail them in time or drop them off in person if you want your vote to count.

You don't see a problem with the US Court system putting its thumb on the scale for Trump five days before an election and overruling a state's Secretary of State ruling? While the US Mail is being sabotaged from within, by the way.  It doesn't even matter what voters "should" know or "should" do.  What matters is our federal courts infringing on state rules (not a very conservative thing to do) at the behest of the Party. This  (and other court actions) isn't just going to swing the presidency; it's going to swing the Senate. Yeah, your guy's going to win and your policy preferences will mostly occur. But it's now a one-party autocracy; to be made official next week.

setting aside all the dictatorship/autocracy hyperbole for a second, educate me:

-does the secretary of state have the power to change the rules of the election in their own state, and, if so, 
-does no one else in the state have the power to appeal that decision to the courts, and, if so, 
-does the court not have the power to overrule the SoS?

if all of the answers to these questions is yes, how is that putting any thumbs on any scale? if it's well within the law, and i don't see an issue. do i like it? no, but i don't always like decisions made by those in power. 

clearly, extending the voting deadline = advantage-democrats. with all the whining the left does about republicans trying every legal trick in the book to get elections to go their way, it's kind of hypocritical to complain when you try it and it doesn't work. 

static111

Biden

HughFreakingDillon said:

OnWis97 said:

mace1229 said:

cutz said:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/29/politics/minnesota-mail-in-ballots/index.html

Federal appeals court rules mailed ballots must be received by Election Day in Minnesota, cutting weeklong window

I don’t see a big deal about this. If you plan to vote by mail then know the rules of your state. Really not a big sea to mail them in time or drop them off in person if you want your vote to count.

You don't see a problem with the US Court system putting its thumb on the scale for Trump five days before an election and overruling a state's Secretary of State ruling? While the US Mail is being sabotaged from within, by the way.  It doesn't even matter what voters "should" know or "should" do.  What matters is our federal courts infringing on state rules (not a very conservative thing to do) at the behest of the Party. This  (and other court actions) isn't just going to swing the presidency; it's going to swing the Senate. Yeah, your guy's going to win and your policy preferences will mostly occur. But it's now a one-party autocracy; to be made official next week.

setting aside all the dictatorship/autocracy hyperbole for a second, educate me:

-does the secretary of state have the power to change the rules of the election in their own state, and, if so, 
-does no one else in the state have the power to appeal that decision to the courts, and, if so, 
-does the court not have the power to overrule the SoS?

if all of the answers to these questions is yes, how is that putting any thumbs on any scale? if it's well within the law, and i don't see an issue. do i like it? no, but i don't always like decisions made by those in power. 

clearly, extending the voting deadline = advantage-democrats. with all the whining the left does about republicans trying every legal trick in the book to get elections to go their way, it's kind of hypocritical to complain when you try it and it doesn't work. 

My basic understanding is that the rules of elections are set by the states.

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

static111 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

OnWis97 said:

mace1229 said:

cutz said:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/29/politics/minnesota-mail-in-ballots/index.html

Federal appeals court rules mailed ballots must be received by Election Day in Minnesota, cutting weeklong window

I don’t see a big deal about this. If you plan to vote by mail then know the rules of your state. Really not a big sea to mail them in time or drop them off in person if you want your vote to count.

You don't see a problem with the US Court system putting its thumb on the scale for Trump five days before an election and overruling a state's Secretary of State ruling? While the US Mail is being sabotaged from within, by the way.  It doesn't even matter what voters "should" know or "should" do.  What matters is our federal courts infringing on state rules (not a very conservative thing to do) at the behest of the Party. This  (and other court actions) isn't just going to swing the presidency; it's going to swing the Senate. Yeah, your guy's going to win and your policy preferences will mostly occur. But it's now a one-party autocracy; to be made official next week.

setting aside all the dictatorship/autocracy hyperbole for a second, educate me:

-does the secretary of state have the power to change the rules of the election in their own state, and, if so, 
-does no one else in the state have the power to appeal that decision to the courts, and, if so, 
-does the court not have the power to overrule the SoS?

if all of the answers to these questions is yes, how is that putting any thumbs on any scale? if it's well within the law, and i don't see an issue. do i like it? no, but i don't always like decisions made by those in power. 

clearly, extending the voting deadline = advantage-democrats. with all the whining the left does about republicans trying every legal trick in the book to get elections to go their way, it's kind of hypocritical to complain when you try it and it doesn't work. 

My basic understanding is that the rules of elections are set by the states.

yes, they are. but my questions are little more involved than that. who changes the rules? and who is allowed to appeal those changes?

OnWis97

Biden

mace1229 said:

OnWis97 said:

mace1229 said:

cutz said:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/29/politics/minnesota-mail-in-ballots/index.html

Federal appeals court rules mailed ballots must be received by Election Day in Minnesota, cutting weeklong window

I don’t see a big deal about this. If you plan to vote by mail then know the rules of your state. Really not a big sea to mail them in time or drop them off in person if you want your vote to count.

You don't see a problem with the US Court system putting its thumb on the scale for Trump five days before an election and overruling a state's Secretary of State ruling? While the US Mail is being sabotaged from within, by the way.  It doesn't even matter what voters "should" know or "should" do.  What matters is our federal courts infringing on state rules (not a very conservative thing to do) at the behest of the Party. This  (and other court actions) isn't just going to swing the presidency; it's going to swing the Senate. Yeah, your guy's going to win and your policy preferences will mostly occur. But it's now a one-party autocracy; to be made official next week.

Unless I misunderstood the situation, that isn't what happened. So correct if I'm wrong, but the state law has been the deadline of election day. The election officials just said they are going to extend that and ignore the law without proper channels. The ruling of the court wasn't to change the deadline, it was do say they have to stick with what's written in the law. And I see no problem with that. I do see a problem with changing election rules mid election without going through the proper channels to change the state law though that dictates said election rules. 
Also, no one is making anyone vote by mail, Its a choice. In Wisconsin you have to request a mail ballot I believe. You could have requested the ballot a month ago and sent it back a few days later. No one's hands are being tied by this. If you don't want to mail a ballot in time, that's fine. Don't request one and go vote in person. If you needed those 5 weeks to read up on the election and cast your vote, fine, drop it off in person. No one is being limited by this decision to follow the election rules that are in place.

I'm in Minnesota and I voted two weeks ago, so...

(Now I have to actually read this when I'm supposed to be working...)

Mea Culpa. I was wrong.  The ruling is right. It's a tough pill to swallow that someone who chooses who they want to vote for today is not going to be counted, but I guess it's on them.  Minnesota late Biden votes will be the butterfly ballots of this year.

static111

Biden

OnWis97 said:

mace1229 said:

OnWis97 said:

mace1229 said:

cutz said:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/29/politics/minnesota-mail-in-ballots/index.html

Federal appeals court rules mailed ballots must be received by Election Day in Minnesota, cutting weeklong window

I don’t see a big deal about this. If you plan to vote by mail then know the rules of your state. Really not a big sea to mail them in time or drop them off in person if you want your vote to count.

You don't see a problem with the US Court system putting its thumb on the scale for Trump five days before an election and overruling a state's Secretary of State ruling? While the US Mail is being sabotaged from within, by the way.  It doesn't even matter what voters "should" know or "should" do.  What matters is our federal courts infringing on state rules (not a very conservative thing to do) at the behest of the Party. This  (and other court actions) isn't just going to swing the presidency; it's going to swing the Senate. Yeah, your guy's going to win and your policy preferences will mostly occur. But it's now a one-party autocracy; to be made official next week.

Unless I misunderstood the situation, that isn't what happened. So correct if I'm wrong, but the state law has been the deadline of election day. The election officials just said they are going to extend that and ignore the law without proper channels. The ruling of the court wasn't to change the deadline, it was do say they have to stick with what's written in the law. And I see no problem with that. I do see a problem with changing election rules mid election without going through the proper channels to change the state law though that dictates said election rules. 
Also, no one is making anyone vote by mail, Its a choice. In Wisconsin you have to request a mail ballot I believe. You could have requested the ballot a month ago and sent it back a few days later. No one's hands are being tied by this. If you don't want to mail a ballot in time, that's fine. Don't request one and go vote in person. If you needed those 5 weeks to read up on the election and cast your vote, fine, drop it off in person. No one is being limited by this decision to follow the election rules that are in place.

I'm in Minnesota and I voted two weeks ago, so...

(Now I have to actually read this when I'm supposed to be working...)

Mea Culpa. I was wrong.  The ruling is right. It's a tough pill to swallow that someone who chooses who they want to vote for today is not going to be counted, but I guess it's on them.  Minnesota late Biden votes will be the butterfly ballots of this year.

With them telegraphing that they were going to go for the mail in ballots as election fraud angle I am still scratching my head as to why anyone would do anything other than drop their ballot off in person or vote in person.