They are in a tough spot. Most of them dare to speak out against Trump and they become instantly vulnerable to whatever creature Trump decides to push in a primary. They are also (for now) best served by a completely unified (brainless) Republican base. That is the best and only weapon they have at a national level right now. They do not offer any ideas.
It will possibly get interesting though as we gear up toward the 2024 election. We are going to see a potentially vast Republican field which almost certainly include one of the Trump clan. Candidates are going to have to throw feces at Trump and it will be interesting to see how everyone responds.
The R's will probably want Trump to simmer down a bit headed into the 2022 midterms as well. Republicans have a TON to defend in the Senate, and as of now they are confident/hoping they can win back the House in 2022. If there is one thing that Trump inspires, it is huge Democrat turnout.
It's coming to roost even faster. They don't want to upset him because they need him for the Georgia runoffs. The chance of him campaigning for them is about zero. But what if he went the other way and decided to burn down the party? What if he told his supporters to stay home in Georgia?? This is why the two R candidates have been verbally abusing the GA Sec'y of state. They are worried about Trump either being ambivalent to their needs...or worse!
They are in a tough spot. Most of them dare to speak out against Trump and they become instantly vulnerable to whatever creature Trump decides to push in a primary. They are also (for now) best served by a completely unified (brainless) Republican base. That is the best and only weapon they have at a national level right now. They do not offer any ideas.
It will possibly get interesting though as we gear up toward the 2024 election. We are going to see a potentially vast Republican field which almost certainly include one of the Trump clan. Candidates are going to have to throw feces at Trump and it will be interesting to see how everyone responds.
The R's will probably want Trump to simmer down a bit headed into the 2022 midterms as well. Republicans have a TON to defend in the Senate, and as of now they are confident/hoping they can win back the House in 2022. If there is one thing that Trump inspires, it is huge Democrat turnout.
It's coming to roost even faster. They don't want to upset him because they need him for the Georgia runoffs. The chance of him campaigning for them is about zero. But what if he went the other way and decided to burn down the party? What if he told his supporters to stay home in Georgia?? This is why the two R candidates have been verbally abusing the GA Sec'y of state. They are worried about Trump either being ambivalent to their needs...or worse!
So at best, they're all still "party first." They're letting Trump become a clearer and more-present danger so someone from another state in their party can win and they can continue to own the libs. Fuck the GQP.
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They are in a tough spot. Most of them dare to speak out against Trump and they become instantly vulnerable to whatever creature Trump decides to push in a primary. They are also (for now) best served by a completely unified (brainless) Republican base. That is the best and only weapon they have at a national level right now. They do not offer any ideas.
It will possibly get interesting though as we gear up toward the 2024 election. We are going to see a potentially vast Republican field which almost certainly include one of the Trump clan. Candidates are going to have to throw feces at Trump and it will be interesting to see how everyone responds.
The R's will probably want Trump to simmer down a bit headed into the 2022 midterms as well. Republicans have a TON to defend in the Senate, and as of now they are confident/hoping they can win back the House in 2022. If there is one thing that Trump inspires, it is huge Democrat turnout.
It's coming to roost even faster. They don't want to upset him because they need him for the Georgia runoffs. The chance of him campaigning for them is about zero. But what if he went the other way and decided to burn down the party? What if he told his supporters to stay home in Georgia?? This is why the two R candidates have been verbally abusing the GA Sec'y of state. They are worried about Trump either being ambivalent to their needs...or worse!
So at best, they're all still "party first." They're letting Trump become a clearer and more-present danger so someone from another state in their party can win and they can continue to own the libs. Fuck the GQP.
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They are in a tough spot. Most of them dare to speak out against Trump and they become instantly vulnerable to whatever creature Trump decides to push in a primary. They are also (for now) best served by a completely unified (brainless) Republican base. That is the best and only weapon they have at a national level right now. They do not offer any ideas.
It will possibly get interesting though as we gear up toward the 2024 election. We are going to see a potentially vast Republican field which almost certainly include one of the Trump clan. Candidates are going to have to throw feces at Trump and it will be interesting to see how everyone responds.
The R's will probably want Trump to simmer down a bit headed into the 2022 midterms as well. Republicans have a TON to defend in the Senate, and as of now they are confident/hoping they can win back the House in 2022. If there is one thing that Trump inspires, it is huge Democrat turnout.
It's coming to roost even faster. They don't want to upset him because they need him for the Georgia runoffs. The chance of him campaigning for them is about zero. But what if he went the other way and decided to burn down the party? What if he told his supporters to stay home in Georgia?? This is why the two R candidates have been verbally abusing the GA Sec'y of state. They are worried about Trump either being ambivalent to their needs...or worse!
So at best, they're all still "party first." They're letting Trump become a clearer and more-present danger so someone from another state in their party can win and they can continue to own the libs. Fuck the GQP.
Well sure. I don't think anyone wants to lose. I'd love to see Trump blow them up. Would be hilarious.
Before you go all “snowflake”, I did not vote for Trump this election, so I’m not a supporter. I am just curious. Would a racist promote black empowerment? I just think he’s an idiot, not a racist. His seems to have supporters from all demographics...just weird?
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Before you go all “snowflake”, I did not vote for Trump this election, so I’m not a supporter. I am just curious. Would a racist promote black empowerment? I just think he’s an idiot, not a racist. His seems to have supporters from all demographics...just weird?
Easily. This happened two months before the election. Trump was just trying to win votes. He says he loves black people. I call bullshit. He only loves himself. If even that. I don't think he has a clue what love is.
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Before you go all “snowflake”, I did not vote for Trump this election, so I’m not a supporter. I am just curious. Would a racist promote black empowerment? I just think he’s an idiot, not a racist. His seems to have supporters from all demographics...just weird?
It doesn't strike you as a tad disingenuous to roll this out literally a month before the election, though?
Regarding the racism thing...well, if you can't acknowledge the fact that Trump has had a 40+ year history of saying and doing racist things, then I don't know what to tell you.
Before you go all “snowflake”, I did not vote for Trump this election, so I’m not a supporter. I am just curious. Would a racist promote black empowerment? I just think he’s an idiot, not a racist. His seems to have supporters from all demographics...just weird?
It doesn't strike you as a tad disingenuous to roll this out literally a month before the election, though?
Regarding the racism thing...well, if you can't acknowledge the fact that Trump has had a 40+ year history of saying and doing racist things, then I don't know what to tell you.
That you trust someone who lied or misrepresented facts, on average, 15 times a day, everyday they were in office, for four years and you wonder why they’re considered racist? This shit doesn’t happen in a vacuum. And Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat still hasn’t forgiven the Central Park Five. Let that POS publicly and forcefully apologize to them before he’s deemed color blind.
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It’s what Putin on the ritz has on Lindsey Flimsy Flip Flop Faloozy Graham, Moscow Mitchy Baby and Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat. You really have to wonder why they’re going so far out of their way to burn it all down. Traitors. And kompromant at that.
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The normally mild-mannered Raffensperger saved his harshest language for Rep. Douglas A. Collins (R-Ga.), who is leading the president’s efforts in Georgia and whom Raffensperger called a “liar” and a “charlatan.”
Collins has questioned Raffensperger’s handling of the vote and accused him of capitulating to Democrats by not backing allegations of voter fraud more strongly.
Raffensperger has said that every accusation of fraud will be thoroughly investigated, but that there is currently no credible evidence that fraud occurred on a broad enough scale to affect the outcome of the election.
The recount, Raffensperger said in the interview Monday, will “affirm” the results of the initial count. He said the hand-counted audit that began last week will also prove the accuracy of the Dominion machines; some counties have already reported that their hand recounts exactly match the machine tallies previously reported. Election officials in one county, Floyd, discovered about 2,600 eligible votes that were not included in the initial tallies because of a failure to upload them off a memory stick. The secretary of state’s office said those votes probably would have been discovered, but it called for the resignation of the county election director.
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“I’m an engineer. We look at numbers. We look at hard data,” he said. “I can’t help it that a failed candidate like Collins is running around lying to everyone. He’s a liar.”
A spokeswoman for Collins replied to a request for comment by linking to a tweet Collins sent on Monday in which he described Raffensperger’s “incompetence as Secretary of State.”
Collins ran unsuccessfully for Senate this year and is blamed by some Republicans for pushing the incumbent in that race, fellow Republican Sen. Kelly Loeffler, into a runoff against the Rev. Raphael Warnock, a Democrat.
In the interview, Raffensperger also said he spoke on Friday to Graham, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, who has echoed Trump’s unfounded claims about voting irregularities.
In their conversation, Graham questioned Raffensperger about the state’s signature-matching law and whether political bias could have prompted poll workers to accept ballots with nonmatching signatures, according to Raffensperger. Graham also asked whether Raffensperger had the power to toss all mail ballots in counties found to have higher rates of nonmatching signatures, Raffensperger said.
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Raffensperger said he was stunned that Graham appeared to suggest that he find a way to toss legally cast ballots. Absent court intervention, Raffensperger doesn’t have the power to do what Graham suggested, as counties administer elections in Georgia.
“It sure looked like he was wanting to go down that road,” Raffensperger said.
In an interview on Capitol Hill on Monday evening, Graham denied that he had suggested that Raffensperger toss legal ballots, calling that characterization “ridiculous.”
But he said he did seek out the secretary of state to understand the state’s signature-matching requirements. Graham said he contacted Raffensperger on his own and was not asked to do so by Trump.
“The main issue for me is: How do you protect the integrity of mail-in voting and how does signature verification work?” he said.
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“If he feels threatened by that conversation, he’s got a problem,” Graham added. “I actually thought it was a good conversation.”
On the same day that Graham spoke to Raffensperger about signature matching, a lawsuit was filed in federal court in Georgia challenging the way county election officials check signatures and allow voters a chance to fix ballots with errors.
The suit, filed by Atlanta lawyer and Trump supporter Lin Wood, seeks to block certification of Georgia’s election until all ballot envelopes are inspected.
Also that day, Trump tweeted about signature-matching in Georgia and criticized Raffensperger for his management of the state elections: “Georgia Secretary of State, a so-called Republican (RINO), won’t let the people checking the ballots see the signatures for fraud. Why? Without this the whole process is very unfair and close to meaningless. Everyone knows that we won the state.”
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Raffensperger said he will vigorously fight the lawsuit, which would require the matching of ballot envelopes with ballots — potentially exposing individual voters’ choices.
“It doesn’t matter what political party or which campaign does that,” Raffensperger said. “The secrecy of the vote is sacred.”
The secretary of state also warned that the Republican attacks on Dominion voting machines could create issues for the state’s Republican U.S. senators, Loeffler and David Perdue, who face runoffs on Jan. 5 that will be administered using the same Dominion machines.
Over the weekend, social media posts began appearing from Trump supporters questioning whether they feel comfortable using Dominion machines in the two runoff elections, which will determine which party controls the Senate.
“I don’t think it’s helpful when you create doubt in the election process,” Raffensperger said. “People might throw up their arms and say, ‘Why vote?’ ”
Seung Min Kim and Paul Kane contributed to this report.
I often wonder about that same question. He went after Trump the hardest in the 2016 primary, and then when he turned lap dog he's never looked back. He debases himself worse than anyone else for Trump and I just wonder what's in his closet that Trump is holding the keys to...
I often wonder about that same question. He went after Trump the hardest in the 2016 primary, and then when he turned lap dog he's never looked back. He debases himself worse than anyone else for Trump and I just wonder what's in his closet that Trump is holding the keys to...
I think we all know what.. or who.. is in the closet that turned him into the lap dog.
"Biden has raised concerns that investigations would further divide a country he is trying to unite and risk making every day of his presidency about Trump, said the sources, who spoke on background to offer details of private conversations. They said he has specifically told advisers that he is wary of federal tax investigations of Trump or of challenging any orders Trump may issue granting immunity to members of his staff before he leaves office. One adviser said Biden has made it clear that he "just wants to move on."
I think this is smart of Biden. I know the people that are obsessed with Trump don't want to hear it, but I think the best course of action with Trump is to let him fade into obscurity. Eventually he'll be the proverbial "old man yelling at clouds." Actually, he sort of already is.
I think this is smart of Biden. I know the people that are obsessed with Trump don't want to hear it, but I think the best course of action with Trump is to let him fade into obscurity. Eventually he'll be the proverbial "old man yelling at clouds." Actually, he sort of already is.
I agree. Right now he is still getting attention because he is President and he is acting in a dangerous and unprecedented manner. He is still very ineffective and the old man yelling at clouds thing I believe is likely true with a large majority of Americans.
Once he loses that title of POTUS, he is going to be even more obscure. My guess is he is going to try to compensate and say even more outrageous things in order to call attention to himself, which will probably hurt his 'movement' more than help.
I think this is smart of Biden. I know the people that are obsessed with Trump don't want to hear it, but I think the best course of action with Trump is to let him fade into obscurity. Eventually he'll be the proverbial "old man yelling at clouds." Actually, he sort of already is.
I agree. Right now he is still getting attention because he is President and he is acting in a dangerous and unprecedented manner. He is still very ineffective and the old man yelling at clouds thing I believe is likely true with a large majority of Americans.
Once he loses that title of POTUS, he is going to be even more obscure. My guess is he is going to try to compensate and say even more outrageous things in order to call attention to himself, which will probably hurt his 'movement' more than help.
I'll wager that he uses Twitter to leak info that tries to contradict Biden or actions his administration takes. I would love to see MSM pledge not to post or share anything he Tweets as of 01/21/2021. He doesn't have a voice beyond his echo chamber if they don't play along.
I think this is smart of Biden. I know the people that are obsessed with Trump don't want to hear it, but I think the best course of action with Trump is to let him fade into obscurity. Eventually he'll be the proverbial "old man yelling at clouds." Actually, he sort of already is.
I agree. Right now he is still getting attention because he is President and he is acting in a dangerous and unprecedented manner. He is still very ineffective and the old man yelling at clouds thing I believe is likely true with a large majority of Americans.
Once he loses that title of POTUS, he is going to be even more obscure. My guess is he is going to try to compensate and say even more outrageous things in order to call attention to himself, which will probably hurt his 'movement' more than help.
I'll wager that he uses Twitter to leak info that tries to contradict Biden or actions his administration takes. I would love to see MSM pledge not to post or share anything he Tweets as of 01/21/2021. He doesn't have a voice beyond his echo chamber if they don't play along.
he certainly will. It will probably get some mainstream play in the first quarter or so of 2021, but I think everyone will tire of it outside of his base that are truly dedicated Trump people.
I think this is smart of Biden. I know the people that are obsessed with Trump don't want to hear it, but I think the best course of action with Trump is to let him fade into obscurity. Eventually he'll be the proverbial "old man yelling at clouds." Actually, he sort of already is.
I agree. Right now he is still getting attention because he is President and he is acting in a dangerous and unprecedented manner. He is still very ineffective and the old man yelling at clouds thing I believe is likely true with a large majority of Americans.
Once he loses that title of POTUS, he is going to be even more obscure. My guess is he is going to try to compensate and say even more outrageous things in order to call attention to himself, which will probably hurt his 'movement' more than help.
for a while it will be non stop rallies and ramblings of a madman
I think this is smart of Biden. I know the people that are obsessed with Trump don't want to hear it, but I think the best course of action with Trump is to let him fade into obscurity. Eventually he'll be the proverbial "old man yelling at clouds." Actually, he sort of already is.
I agree. Right now he is still getting attention because he is President and he is acting in a dangerous and unprecedented manner. He is still very ineffective and the old man yelling at clouds thing I believe is likely true with a large majority of Americans.
Once he loses that title of POTUS, he is going to be even more obscure. My guess is he is going to try to compensate and say even more outrageous things in order to call attention to himself, which will probably hurt his 'movement' more than help.
Remember that this isn't Biden's call. Once we get back to an independent DOJ there won't be blurred lines between the WH and DOJ.
DOJ will make the call. I hope Sally Yates is the AG that takes a look...
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I think this is smart of Biden. I know the people that are obsessed with Trump don't want to hear it, but I think the best course of action with Trump is to let him fade into obscurity. Eventually he'll be the proverbial "old man yelling at clouds." Actually, he sort of already is.
I agree. Right now he is still getting attention because he is President and he is acting in a dangerous and unprecedented manner. He is still very ineffective and the old man yelling at clouds thing I believe is likely true with a large majority of Americans.
Once he loses that title of POTUS, he is going to be even more obscure. My guess is he is going to try to compensate and say even more outrageous things in order to call attention to himself, which will probably hurt his 'movement' more than help.
for a while it will be non stop rallies and ramblings of a madman
I am wondering if he can/will have the rallies.
He will no longer have our tax dollars fueling Air Force One as his personal taxi service. They also cost a lot of money to hold, and he will not be backed by overt Republican fundraising. Will he want to just pour money into his own rallies with little ROI other than ego? Maybe they will charge admission? And if they do, will enough people show up and open their wallets?
I think this is smart of Biden. I know the people that are obsessed with Trump don't want to hear it, but I think the best course of action with Trump is to let him fade into obscurity. Eventually he'll be the proverbial "old man yelling at clouds." Actually, he sort of already is.
I agree. Right now he is still getting attention because he is President and he is acting in a dangerous and unprecedented manner. He is still very ineffective and the old man yelling at clouds thing I believe is likely true with a large majority of Americans.
Once he loses that title of POTUS, he is going to be even more obscure. My guess is he is going to try to compensate and say even more outrageous things in order to call attention to himself, which will probably hurt his 'movement' more than help.
for a while it will be non stop rallies and ramblings of a madman
I am wondering if he can/will have the rallies.
He will no longer have our tax dollars fueling Air Force One as his personal taxi service. They also cost a lot of money to hold, and he will not be backed by overt Republican fundraising. Will he want to just pour money into his own rallies with little ROI other than ego? Maybe they will charge admission? And if they do, will enough people show up and open their wallets?
It will be interesting, but his base idiocy knows no bounds. He could probably get people in at 100 a pop and all he needs is a mic and a podium. he can make a bunch. Not sure how long his base could stomach it in the long run.
Not sure about Secret Service either or how that works. They could put a stop to it too I imagine.
"Biden has raised concerns that investigations would further divide a country he is trying to unite and risk making every day of his presidency about Trump, said the sources, who spoke on background to offer details of private conversations. They said he has specifically told advisers that he is wary of federal tax investigations of Trump or of challenging any orders Trump may issue granting immunity to members of his staff before he leaves office. One adviser said Biden has made it clear that he "just wants to move on."
I think this is smart of Biden. I know the people that are obsessed with Trump don't want to hear it, but I think the best course of action with Trump is to let him fade into obscurity. Eventually he'll be the proverbial "old man yelling at clouds." Actually, he sort of already is.
I think it's smart of biden to SAY THIS, knowing full well he won't be the one initiating any investigation. this can give him deniability that he's going after trump, so trumpsters can whine all they want about a biden witch hunt, but it won't hold any water.
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Huge mistake to let Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat off the hook if he’s committed federal offenses before, during or after he leaves office. Huge mistake on so many levels and if we’ve learned anything from Obama “just wanting to move on,” is that the lack of investigation, reporting out and making changes only emboldens those in power, if they so choose to abuse it. And does anyone really expect that the repubs won’t investigate and go after dems for real or imagined transgressions? Where have you been for 12 years? Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat needs, at the very least, to pay his taxes. Otherwise, why should any of us?
Biden should do what he can to distance himself from it both publicly and at the office. Appoint an AG that wants to get to the truth and let that person and the DOJ do the work.
What he's saying now might be smart, but I do believe letting things go unpunished is wrong in the long run. So "letting go of the past" would be a terrible trait in the next AG.
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Huge mistake to let Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat off the hook if he’s committed federal offenses before, during or after he leaves office. Huge mistake on so many levels and if we’ve learned anything from Obama “just wanting to move on,” is that the lack of investigation, reporting out and making changes only emboldens those in power, if they so choose to abuse it. And does anyone really expect that the repubs won’t investigate and go after dems for real or imagined transgressions? Where have you been for 12 years? Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat needs, at the very least, to pay his taxes. Otherwise, why should any of us?
he already stated publicly that he won't stand in the way of any investigation. i believe/hope that's still the case. all this means is he's not going to send the dogs out after him. he's just going to let the dogs out of the cage and do their thing.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
Huge mistake to let Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat off the hook if he’s committed federal offenses before, during or after he leaves office. Huge mistake on so many levels and if we’ve learned anything from Obama “just wanting to move on,” is that the lack of investigation, reporting out and making changes only emboldens those in power, if they so choose to abuse it. And does anyone really expect that the repubs won’t investigate and go after dems for real or imagined transgressions? Where have you been for 12 years? Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat needs, at the very least, to pay his taxes. Otherwise, why should any of us?
he already stated publicly that he won't stand in the way of any investigation. i believe/hope that's still the case. all this means is he's not going to send the dogs out after him. he's just going to let the dogs out of the cage and do their thing.
as he should. he should not put his thumb on the scale of justice, but let the agencies in charge of seeking justice do their thing unabated.
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Huge mistake to let Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat off the hook if he’s committed federal offenses before, during or after he leaves office. Huge mistake on so many levels and if we’ve learned anything from Obama “just wanting to move on,” is that the lack of investigation, reporting out and making changes only emboldens those in power, if they so choose to abuse it. And does anyone really expect that the repubs won’t investigate and go after dems for real or imagined transgressions? Where have you been for 12 years? Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat needs, at the very least, to pay his taxes. Otherwise, why should any of us?
he already stated publicly that he won't stand in the way of any investigation. i believe/hope that's still the case. all this means is he's not going to send the dogs out after him. he's just going to let the dogs out of the cage and do their thing.
Yeah that's probably the case. I think Biden's point is he's not going to be talking about Trump or publicly calling for investigations when he's president. If an agency goes after Trump for something, and the media asks Biden about it, he probably just won't comment on it.
Huge mistake to let Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat off the hook if he’s committed federal offenses before, during or after he leaves office. Huge mistake on so many levels and if we’ve learned anything from Obama “just wanting to move on,” is that the lack of investigation, reporting out and making changes only emboldens those in power, if they so choose to abuse it. And does anyone really expect that the repubs won’t investigate and go after dems for real or imagined transgressions? Where have you been for 12 years? Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat needs, at the very least, to pay his taxes. Otherwise, why should any of us?
he already stated publicly that he won't stand in the way of any investigation. i believe/hope that's still the case. all this means is he's not going to send the dogs out after him. he's just going to let the dogs out of the cage and do their thing.
Yeah that's probably the case. I think Biden's point is he's not going to be talking about Trump or publicly calling for investigations when he's president. If an agency goes after Trump for something, and the media asks Biden about it, he probably just won't comment on it.
awww, can't we do "lock him up" chants just one time?
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Easily. This happened two months before the election. Trump was just trying to win votes. He says he loves black people. I call bullshit. He only loves himself. If even that. I don't think he has a clue what love is.
Regarding the racism thing...well, if you can't acknowledge the fact that Trump has had a 40+ year history of saying and doing racist things, then I don't know what to tell you.
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The normally mild-mannered Raffensperger saved his harshest language for Rep. Douglas A. Collins (R-Ga.), who is leading the president’s efforts in Georgia and whom Raffensperger called a “liar” and a “charlatan.”
Collins has questioned Raffensperger’s handling of the vote and accused him of capitulating to Democrats by not backing allegations of voter fraud more strongly.
Raffensperger has said that every accusation of fraud will be thoroughly investigated, but that there is currently no credible evidence that fraud occurred on a broad enough scale to affect the outcome of the election.
The recount, Raffensperger said in the interview Monday, will “affirm” the results of the initial count. He said the hand-counted audit that began last week will also prove the accuracy of the Dominion machines; some counties have already reported that their hand recounts exactly match the machine tallies previously reported. Election officials in one county, Floyd, discovered about 2,600 eligible votes that were not included in the initial tallies because of a failure to upload them off a memory stick. The secretary of state’s office said those votes probably would have been discovered, but it called for the resignation of the county election director.
“I’m an engineer. We look at numbers. We look at hard data,” he said. “I can’t help it that a failed candidate like Collins is running around lying to everyone. He’s a liar.”
A spokeswoman for Collins replied to a request for comment by linking to a tweet Collins sent on Monday in which he described Raffensperger’s “incompetence as Secretary of State.”
Collins ran unsuccessfully for Senate this year and is blamed by some Republicans for pushing the incumbent in that race, fellow Republican Sen. Kelly Loeffler, into a runoff against the Rev. Raphael Warnock, a Democrat.
His fellow Republicans turned on him, but Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger isn’t backing down
In the interview, Raffensperger also said he spoke on Friday to Graham, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, who has echoed Trump’s unfounded claims about voting irregularities.
In their conversation, Graham questioned Raffensperger about the state’s signature-matching law and whether political bias could have prompted poll workers to accept ballots with nonmatching signatures, according to Raffensperger. Graham also asked whether Raffensperger had the power to toss all mail ballots in counties found to have higher rates of nonmatching signatures, Raffensperger said.
Raffensperger said he was stunned that Graham appeared to suggest that he find a way to toss legally cast ballots. Absent court intervention, Raffensperger doesn’t have the power to do what Graham suggested, as counties administer elections in Georgia.
“It sure looked like he was wanting to go down that road,” Raffensperger said.
In an interview on Capitol Hill on Monday evening, Graham denied that he had suggested that Raffensperger toss legal ballots, calling that characterization “ridiculous.”
But he said he did seek out the secretary of state to understand the state’s signature-matching requirements. Graham said he contacted Raffensperger on his own and was not asked to do so by Trump.
“The main issue for me is: How do you protect the integrity of mail-in voting and how does signature verification work?” he said.
“If he feels threatened by that conversation, he’s got a problem,” Graham added. “I actually thought it was a good conversation.”
On the same day that Graham spoke to Raffensperger about signature matching, a lawsuit was filed in federal court in Georgia challenging the way county election officials check signatures and allow voters a chance to fix ballots with errors.
The suit, filed by Atlanta lawyer and Trump supporter Lin Wood, seeks to block certification of Georgia’s election until all ballot envelopes are inspected.
Also that day, Trump tweeted about signature-matching in Georgia and criticized Raffensperger for his management of the state elections: “Georgia Secretary of State, a so-called Republican (RINO), won’t let the people checking the ballots see the signatures for fraud. Why? Without this the whole process is very unfair and close to meaningless. Everyone knows that we won the state.”
Raffensperger said he will vigorously fight the lawsuit, which would require the matching of ballot envelopes with ballots — potentially exposing individual voters’ choices.
“It doesn’t matter what political party or which campaign does that,” Raffensperger said. “The secrecy of the vote is sacred.”
The secretary of state also warned that the Republican attacks on Dominion voting machines could create issues for the state’s Republican U.S. senators, Loeffler and David Perdue, who face runoffs on Jan. 5 that will be administered using the same Dominion machines.
Over the weekend, social media posts began appearing from Trump supporters questioning whether they feel comfortable using Dominion machines in the two runoff elections, which will determine which party controls the Senate.
“I don’t think it’s helpful when you create doubt in the election process,” Raffensperger said. “People might throw up their arms and say, ‘Why vote?’ ”
Seung Min Kim and Paul Kane contributed to this report.
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He went after Trump the hardest in the 2016 primary, and then when he turned lap dog he's never looked back. He debases himself worse than anyone else for Trump and I just wonder what's in his closet that Trump is holding the keys to...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/president-elect-biden-wary-of-trump-focused-investigations-sources-say/ar-BB1b5zo0?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds
"Biden has raised concerns that investigations would further divide a country he is trying to unite and risk making every day of his presidency about Trump, said the sources, who spoke on background to offer details of private conversations. They said he has specifically told advisers that he is wary of federal tax investigations of Trump or of challenging any orders Trump may issue granting immunity to members of his staff before he leaves office. One adviser said Biden has made it clear that he "just wants to move on."
I think this is smart of Biden. I know the people that are obsessed with Trump don't want to hear it, but I think the best course of action with Trump is to let him fade into obscurity. Eventually he'll be the proverbial "old man yelling at clouds." Actually, he sort of already is.
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Once he loses that title of POTUS, he is going to be even more obscure. My guess is he is going to try to compensate and say even more outrageous things in order to call attention to himself, which will probably hurt his 'movement' more than help.
for a while it will be non stop rallies and ramblings of a madman
DOJ will make the call. I hope Sally Yates is the AG that takes a look...
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
He will no longer have our tax dollars fueling Air Force One as his personal taxi service. They also cost a lot of money to hold, and he will not be backed by overt Republican fundraising. Will he want to just pour money into his own rallies with little ROI other than ego?
Maybe they will charge admission? And if they do, will enough people show up and open their wallets?
-EV 8/14/93
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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-EV 8/14/93
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."