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  • MayDay10 said:
    I have no doubt trump himself is expecting the result to change... but everyone around him knows

    They are just going through the motions to placate a fat spoiled child
    I think he knows....he's just using this to raise funds.  At some point they will get through to him that he is just damaging his legacy.  

    They will convince him that conceding will make a 2024 run possible and that he can claim glorious victory then.

    Hopefully by 2023 he will be damaged enough to just go away.


    There will be a whole wing of his library about how he FOUGHT for you, the true and real ‘Murica people and not those radical leftists “others” that stole PA and the election from him.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Biden

    Looks like
    they are indeed standing by
    Scio me nihil scire

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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,032
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    Some context on the popular vote and how much of a whipping this really is..

    Biden now up to 50.8% of popular vote, topping Reagan's 50.7% in 1980...

    Is highest percentage for challenger since FDR in 1932..

    Nice to know I'm not the only one in here who still checks out Drudge... lol

    He's going to more than double HRC's margin. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,822
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    Some context on the popular vote and how much of a whipping this really is..

    Biden now up to 50.8% of popular vote, topping Reagan's 50.7% in 1980...

    Is highest percentage for challenger since FDR in 1932..

    Nice to know I'm not the only one in here who still checks out Drudge... lol

    He's going to more than double HRC's margin. 
    I've always read Drudge. He's been anti Trump for awhile though.  Very interesting. 
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,032
    Biden
    pjl44 said:

    And oversight for news.

    Sean Hannity fans are the best.
    Are you literally advocating for the government to oversee the news?

    You think that's a good idea?
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Biden
    pjl44 said:

    And oversight for news.

    Sean Hannity fans are the best.
    Are you literally advocating for the government to oversee the news?

    You think that's a good idea?
    Terrible idea.  Some serious tweaking of the telecommunications act as well as reinstating ownership caps would do a lot more to diversify and self regulate our news than a politically controlled oversight committee.
    Scio me nihil scire

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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,032
    Biden
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:

    And oversight for news.

    Sean Hannity fans are the best.
    Are you literally advocating for the government to oversee the news?

    You think that's a good idea?
    Terrible idea.  Some serious tweaking of the telecommunications act as well as reinstating ownership caps would do a lot more to diversify and self regulate our news than a politically controlled oversight committee.
    Yeah. I'd really want to see him expand on his thoughts on how government controlled news is better than a free market. Unless I misunderstood his point...
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,567
    edited November 2020
    I'm sitting this one out
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:

    And oversight for news.

    Sean Hannity fans are the best.
    Are you literally advocating for the government to oversee the news?

    You think that's a good idea?
    Terrible idea.  Some serious tweaking of the telecommunications act as well as reinstating ownership caps would do a lot more to diversify and self regulate our news than a politically controlled oversight committee.
    Yeah. I'd really want to see him expand on his thoughts on how government controlled news is better than a free market. Unless I misunderstood his point...
    Who has said anything about government controlled news?

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,032
    edited November 2020
    Biden
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:

    And oversight for news.

    Sean Hannity fans are the best.
    Are you literally advocating for the government to oversee the news?

    You think that's a good idea?
    Terrible idea.  Some serious tweaking of the telecommunications act as well as reinstating ownership caps would do a lot more to diversify and self regulate our news than a politically controlled oversight committee.
    Yeah. I'd really want to see him expand on his thoughts on how government controlled news is better than a free market. Unless I misunderstood his point...
    Who has said anything about government controlled news?

    Who oversees your news?

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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Biden
    Oversight and control are different things...Twitter oversees the Toddler-In-Chief, but they don't control him.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,032
    Biden
    rgambs said:
    Oversight and control are different things...Twitter oversees the Toddler-In-Chief, but they don't control him.
    Yeah, I'm genuinely curious how it works though. lol
    He's avoiding that question for some reason. 
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  • KatKat Posts: 4,878
    Biden
    MayDay10 said:
    I have no doubt trump himself is expecting the result to change... but everyone around him knows

    They are just going through the motions to placate a fat spoiled child
    I think he knows....he's just using this to raise funds.  At some point they will get through to him that he is just damaging his legacy.  

    They will convince him that conceding will make a 2024 run possible and that he can claim glorious victory then.

    Hopefully by 2023 he will be damaged enough to just go away.


    There will be a whole wing of his library about how he FOUGHT for you, the true and real ‘Murica people and not those radical leftists “others” that stole PA and the election from him.
    His library has to have that Sharpie-doctored hurricane map on display too, right?
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,337
    I think the CBC model has worked really well here in Canada.



    The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (French: Société Radio-Canada), branded as CBC/Radio-Canada, is a Canadian federal Crown corporation that serves as the national public broadcaster for both radio and television.[4] The English- and French-language service units of the corporation are commonly known as CBC and Radio-Canada, respectively.


    CBC is the oldest existing broadcasting network in Canada. The CBC was established on November 2, 1936.

    The CBC's federal funding is supplemented by revenue from commercial advertising on its television broadcasts.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Broadcasting_Corporation


    I think America would be well served to have a similar service.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,822
    Biden
    dignin said:
    I think the CBC model has worked really well here in Canada.



    The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (French: Société Radio-Canada), branded as CBC/Radio-Canada, is a Canadian federal Crown corporation that serves as the national public broadcaster for both radio and television.[4] The English- and French-language service units of the corporation are commonly known as CBC and Radio-Canada, respectively.


    CBC is the oldest existing broadcasting network in Canada. The CBC was established on November 2, 1936.

    The CBC's federal funding is supplemented by revenue from commercial advertising on its television broadcasts.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Broadcasting_Corporation


    I think America would be well served to have a similar service.
    What do you consider NPR?
  • mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    I think the CBC model has worked really well here in Canada.



    The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (French: Société Radio-Canada), branded as CBC/Radio-Canada, is a Canadian federal Crown corporation that serves as the national public broadcaster for both radio and television.[4] The English- and French-language service units of the corporation are commonly known as CBC and Radio-Canada, respectively.


    CBC is the oldest existing broadcasting network in Canada. The CBC was established on November 2, 1936.

    The CBC's federal funding is supplemented by revenue from commercial advertising on its television broadcasts.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Broadcasting_Corporation


    I think America would be well served to have a similar service.
    What do you consider NPR?
    And PBS. I think the major difference is the difference in libel laws and what one has to do or be able to prove to win in court. EU versus ‘Murica, slander/libel versus freedumb of speech. The Hunter Biden laptop stunt would never be attempted in the EU due to the ramifications of serious financial penalties, and maybe some jail time, against those perpetrating such a myth.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,919
    DewieCox said:
    Who is The Shadow? Mc enutty? Fox personality? Has to be someone in the loop. Their circle of trust is dwindling by the hour.
    That’s the 1st black person she’s had on her show!
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,337
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    I think the CBC model has worked really well here in Canada.



    The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (French: Société Radio-Canada), branded as CBC/Radio-Canada, is a Canadian federal Crown corporation that serves as the national public broadcaster for both radio and television.[4] The English- and French-language service units of the corporation are commonly known as CBC and Radio-Canada, respectively.


    CBC is the oldest existing broadcasting network in Canada. The CBC was established on November 2, 1936.

    The CBC's federal funding is supplemented by revenue from commercial advertising on its television broadcasts.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Broadcasting_Corporation


    I think America would be well served to have a similar service.
    What do you consider NPR?
    Not nearly the scale, reach and influence of CBC. Comparatively speaking, think more BBC.
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,430
    DewieCox said:
    Who is The Shadow? Mc enutty? Fox personality? Has to be someone in the loop. Their circle of trust is dwindling by the hour.
    That’s the 1st black person she’s had on her show!
    😂🤣😂🤣
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Just read that Trump won Alaska.  I stopped keeping up and didn’t realize they were even still in play.
  • RunIntoTheRainRunIntoTheRain Texas Posts: 1,024
    edited November 2020
    Biden
    Kat said:
    MayDay10 said:
    I have no doubt trump himself is expecting the result to change... but everyone around him knows

    They are just going through the motions to placate a fat spoiled child
    I think he knows....he's just using this to raise funds.  At some point they will get through to him that he is just damaging his legacy.  

    They will convince him that conceding will make a 2024 run possible and that he can claim glorious victory then.

    Hopefully by 2023 he will be damaged enough to just go away.


    There will be a whole wing of his library about how he FOUGHT for you, the true and real ‘Murica people and not those radical leftists “others” that stole PA and the election from him.
    His library has to have that Sharpie-doctored hurricane map on display too, right?
    LOL Kat you are very feisty today!

    Post edited by Kat on
  • KatKat Posts: 4,878
    Biden
    Very glad you are smiling, thanks. :)
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,822
    Biden
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    I think the CBC model has worked really well here in Canada.



    The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (French: Société Radio-Canada), branded as CBC/Radio-Canada, is a Canadian federal Crown corporation that serves as the national public broadcaster for both radio and television.[4] The English- and French-language service units of the corporation are commonly known as CBC and Radio-Canada, respectively.


    CBC is the oldest existing broadcasting network in Canada. The CBC was established on November 2, 1936.

    The CBC's federal funding is supplemented by revenue from commercial advertising on its television broadcasts.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Broadcasting_Corporation


    I think America would be well served to have a similar service.
    What do you consider NPR?
    Not nearly the scale, reach and influence of CBC. Comparatively speaking, think more BBC.
    Yeah but that's a consumer decision.  I bet NPR is available to 99% of the people.  I agree it's not the size of CBC but it's still there. 
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,773
    I'm sitting this one out
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    I think the CBC model has worked really well here in Canada.



    The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (French: Société Radio-Canada), branded as CBC/Radio-Canada, is a Canadian federal Crown corporation that serves as the national public broadcaster for both radio and television.[4] The English- and French-language service units of the corporation are commonly known as CBC and Radio-Canada, respectively.


    CBC is the oldest existing broadcasting network in Canada. The CBC was established on November 2, 1936.

    The CBC's federal funding is supplemented by revenue from commercial advertising on its television broadcasts.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Broadcasting_Corporation


    I think America would be well served to have a similar service.
    What do you consider NPR?
    Not nearly the scale, reach and influence of CBC. Comparatively speaking, think more BBC.
    Yeah but that's a consumer decision.  I bet NPR is available to 99% of the people.  I agree it's not the size of CBC but it's still there. 
    Yep. And if there's something we definitely don't want to model....

    https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-163.html
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,350
    Biden
    federally funded news in america would never fly. we get enough "defund the cbc" bullshit here from right wing nutters thinking it's an arm of trudeau (but magically, it wasn't for harper). 
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,567
    edited November 2020
    I'm sitting this one out
    rgambs said:
    Oversight and control are different things...Twitter oversees the Toddler-In-Chief, but they don't control him.
    Yeah, I'm genuinely curious how it works though. lol
    He's avoiding that question for some reason. 
    More fun seeing the predatory market economy koolaid-drinkers going crazy and running wild with one could mean. 

    I think the swedish system is pretty good. I believe UK has pretty much the same system. Granskningsnämnden in Sweden. In The UK Ofcom. Keeping an eye on the news being impartial, non-biased, accurate etc.

     Ben De Pear is the editor of the prestigious Channel 4 news program in the U.K. And he joins us now to explain. Thanks for being on.

    BEN DE PEAR: Thank you.

    GARCIA-NAVARRO: So Ofcom come does many things. But I am particularly interested here in its role as an arbiter of bias. How does that work?

    DE PEAR: So Ofcom was set up by statute in the United Kingdom. Broadcasting has always been regulated by a regulatory body which is independent of the government but also independent of the broadcasters. And what it does is it really regulates and rules on three different areas. One is accuracy. One is bias. And the other is impartiality. Those three things Ofcom regulates television news in particular so that the journalists have a requirement under law here to be objective and nonpolitical.

    GARCIA-NAVARRO: All right. Give me an example of how that plays out. Say I'm watching a news show, and I am - as a viewer, don't like what I'm hearing. I can call in and write to complain, and Ofcom investigates?

    DE PEAR: Yes. So, obviously, Ofcom is a huge pain. It's a sort of thorn in our side. But I'm very glad it exists. I mean, we've breached accuracy twice in the last two years. We named someone as being dead who was actually dead, but the police hadn't named he was dead. And naming as dead is an official recognition here. So we had to apologize on air. We had to say we were very sorry, and we breached one of Ofcom's guidelines, which is a very important one, which is accuracy.

    GARCIA-NAVARRO: But what about bias? One man's bias is another man's truth. How does Ofcom decide something like that?

    DE PEAR: So when we are reporting an election here, we have to give exactly the same amount of time to each political party, especially the main parties. And Ofcom goes to the extent of pretty much timing how much time you have if they receive a complaint. So during elections, we are very careful in making sure that we give free and unbiased representation to each of the political parties. We still hold them to account. We give them very fierce and rigorous interviews. But we can't have one party on without the other. And one thing that cannot happen here is that any reporter or journalist or presenter who represents or works for the broadcasting organization cannot give any sense of their political beliefs or support. They have to remain absolutely impartial at all times.

    I also do not have a problem with tax-funded public television/radio as in Sweden, or the UK etc. Or the NPR I guess, which the interview above is taken from. 

    Think that. Publicly funded news. My god. THAT BROAD GOVERNMENT REACH!
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • I'm sitting this one out
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    I think the CBC model has worked really well here in Canada.



    The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (French: Société Radio-Canada), branded as CBC/Radio-Canada, is a Canadian federal Crown corporation that serves as the national public broadcaster for both radio and television.[4] The English- and French-language service units of the corporation are commonly known as CBC and Radio-Canada, respectively.


    CBC is the oldest existing broadcasting network in Canada. The CBC was established on November 2, 1936.

    The CBC's federal funding is supplemented by revenue from commercial advertising on its television broadcasts.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Broadcasting_Corporation


    I think America would be well served to have a similar service.
    What do you consider NPR?
    Not nearly the scale, reach and influence of CBC. Comparatively speaking, think more BBC.
    Yeah but that's a consumer decision. . 

    “If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.”

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,032
    Biden
    rgambs said:
    Oversight and control are different things...Twitter oversees the Toddler-In-Chief, but they don't control him.
    Yeah, I'm genuinely curious how it works though. lol
    He's avoiding that question for some reason. 
    More fun seeing the predatory market economy koolaid-drinkers going crazy and running wild with one could mean. 

    I think the swedish system is pretty good. I believe UK has pretty much the same system. Granskningsnämnden in Sweden. In The UK Ofcom. Keeping an eye on the news being impartial, non-biased, accurate etc.

     Ben De Pear is the editor of the prestigious Channel 4 news program in the U.K. And he joins us now to explain. Thanks for being on.

    BEN DE PEAR: Thank you.

    GARCIA-NAVARRO: So Ofcom come does many things. But I am particularly interested here in its role as an arbiter of bias. How does that work?

    DE PEAR: So Ofcom was set up by statute in the United Kingdom. Broadcasting has always been regulated by a regulatory body which is independent of the government but also independent of the broadcasters. And what it does is it really regulates and rules on three different areas. One is accuracy. One is bias. And the other is impartiality. Those three things Ofcom regulates television news in particular so that the journalists have a requirement under law here to be objective and nonpolitical.

    GARCIA-NAVARRO: All right. Give me an example of how that plays out. Say I'm watching a news show, and I am - as a viewer, don't like what I'm hearing. I can call in and write to complain, and Ofcom investigates?

    DE PEAR: Yes. So, obviously, Ofcom is a huge pain. It's a sort of thorn in our side. But I'm very glad it exists. I mean, we've breached accuracy twice in the last two years. We named someone as being dead who was actually dead, but the police hadn't named he was dead. And naming as dead is an official recognition here. So we had to apologize on air. We had to say we were very sorry, and we breached one of Ofcom's guidelines, which is a very important one, which is accuracy.

    GARCIA-NAVARRO: But what about bias? One man's bias is another man's truth. How does Ofcom decide something like that?

    DE PEAR: So when we are reporting an election here, we have to give exactly the same amount of time to each political party, especially the main parties. And Ofcom goes to the extent of pretty much timing how much time you have if they receive a complaint. So during elections, we are very careful in making sure that we give free and unbiased representation to each of the political parties. We still hold them to account. We give them very fierce and rigorous interviews. But we can't have one party on without the other. And one thing that cannot happen here is that any reporter or journalist or presenter who represents or works for the broadcasting organization cannot give any sense of their political beliefs or support. They have to remain absolutely impartial at all times.

    I also do not have a problem with tax-funded public television/radio as in Sweden, or the UK etc. Or the NPR I guess, which the interview above is taken from. 

    Think that. Publicly funded news. My god. THAT BROAD GOVERNMENT REACH!
    https://www.pbs.org/
    www.myspace.com
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,773
    I'm sitting this one out
    rgambs said:
    Oversight and control are different things...Twitter oversees the Toddler-In-Chief, but they don't control him.
    Yeah, I'm genuinely curious how it works though. lol
    He's avoiding that question for some reason. 
    More fun seeing the predatory market economy koolaid-drinkers going crazy and running wild with one could mean. 

    I think the swedish system is pretty good. I believe UK has pretty much the same system. Granskningsnämnden in Sweden. In The UK Ofcom. Keeping an eye on the news being impartial, non-biased, accurate etc.

     Ben De Pear is the editor of the prestigious Channel 4 news program in the U.K. And he joins us now to explain. Thanks for being on.

    BEN DE PEAR: Thank you.

    GARCIA-NAVARRO: So Ofcom come does many things. But I am particularly interested here in its role as an arbiter of bias. How does that work?

    DE PEAR: So Ofcom was set up by statute in the United Kingdom. Broadcasting has always been regulated by a regulatory body which is independent of the government but also independent of the broadcasters. And what it does is it really regulates and rules on three different areas. One is accuracy. One is bias. And the other is impartiality. Those three things Ofcom regulates television news in particular so that the journalists have a requirement under law here to be objective and nonpolitical.

    GARCIA-NAVARRO: All right. Give me an example of how that plays out. Say I'm watching a news show, and I am - as a viewer, don't like what I'm hearing. I can call in and write to complain, and Ofcom investigates?

    DE PEAR: Yes. So, obviously, Ofcom is a huge pain. It's a sort of thorn in our side. But I'm very glad it exists. I mean, we've breached accuracy twice in the last two years. We named someone as being dead who was actually dead, but the police hadn't named he was dead. And naming as dead is an official recognition here. So we had to apologize on air. We had to say we were very sorry, and we breached one of Ofcom's guidelines, which is a very important one, which is accuracy.

    GARCIA-NAVARRO: But what about bias? One man's bias is another man's truth. How does Ofcom decide something like that?

    DE PEAR: So when we are reporting an election here, we have to give exactly the same amount of time to each political party, especially the main parties. And Ofcom goes to the extent of pretty much timing how much time you have if they receive a complaint. So during elections, we are very careful in making sure that we give free and unbiased representation to each of the political parties. We still hold them to account. We give them very fierce and rigorous interviews. But we can't have one party on without the other. And one thing that cannot happen here is that any reporter or journalist or presenter who represents or works for the broadcasting organization cannot give any sense of their political beliefs or support. They have to remain absolutely impartial at all times.

    I also do not have a problem with tax-funded public television/radio as in Sweden, or the UK etc. Or the NPR I guess, which the interview above is taken from. 

    Think that. Publicly funded news. My god. THAT BROAD GOVERNMENT REACH!
    We have the same thing in the US. The FCC ensures equal time is given to major party candidates.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,822
    Biden
    federally funded news in america would never fly. we get enough "defund the cbc" bullshit here from right wing nutters thinking it's an arm of trudeau (but magically, it wasn't for harper). 
    That's exactly what NPR and PBS are... federally funded news.  And the same shit from the right here on it. 
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,337
    pjl44 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    I think the CBC model has worked really well here in Canada.



    The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (French: Société Radio-Canada), branded as CBC/Radio-Canada, is a Canadian federal Crown corporation that serves as the national public broadcaster for both radio and television.[4] The English- and French-language service units of the corporation are commonly known as CBC and Radio-Canada, respectively.


    CBC is the oldest existing broadcasting network in Canada. The CBC was established on November 2, 1936.

    The CBC's federal funding is supplemented by revenue from commercial advertising on its television broadcasts.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Broadcasting_Corporation


    I think America would be well served to have a similar service.
    What do you consider NPR?
    Not nearly the scale, reach and influence of CBC. Comparatively speaking, think more BBC.
    Yeah but that's a consumer decision.  I bet NPR is available to 99% of the people.  I agree it's not the size of CBC but it's still there. 
    Yep. And if there's something we definitely don't want to model....

    https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-163.html
    I don't understand your point here.
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